/lit/ - Literature

Loved Journey To The End Of The Night, hated Death On Credit.

>>16708595
Journey was certainly better but I also liked Death on Credit even if it meandered a bit. He had a great style of writing and seemingly unlimited amounts of bitterness

>>16707715
I can see why he was important but he could have benefited from some heavy editing.

>celine
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wtf is up w/lit this week

>>16708663
you probably read a bad translation if you think that, in French it's very obvious that his slang and rhythm are far from being random

>>16708605
I quit DOC 250 pages in or something like that. It reminded me of the only few chapters that I thought were lacking in Journey (the ones where he was a doctor in Paris dragged a bit on imo). I'd hoped for more chapters like non-Clichy chapters.

I liked Journey, still get chuckles thinking about the inner meditations about the officers, the war, the horses, the colonies and the nurses, but through the middle it lost punch to me, went like a whatever toslto novel, maybe I was looking for more comedy, for Céline's persona and history is quite surreal, I know that his books and writtings went crazier with time, still want to read, but anyone can recommend a "funny" one? I read that he wrote one about beign in jail in Denmark and going though hell but he wrote it like comedy, it is all censored?

>>16707715
>Picture of Madonna with Child on wall
Was Céline Catholic? I thought he was just antisemitic

There's a scene in Death on Credit where Ferdinand and his family travel to England by boat. A bit of turbulence causes the passengers to begin vomiting uncontrollably on each other; Céline drags this bit on for pages.
50 years later, Tucker Max uses the same bit in I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell. If you like Tucker, you'll love Céline.

>>16708945
Tucker Carlson is a fucking retard bro and you should fuck off back to your MAGA containment board. Actually on second thoughts you're not my bro

>>16708952
>Tucker Max
>brings up Tucker Carlson
Holy shit, Trump derangement syndrome was real the whole time

>>16708896
Read "A l'agité du bocal" where celine annihilate Sartre, hilarious shit but i don't know if you can find it in english tho

>>16709706
>>16708896
Also his rambling about the joos is quite hilarious too

>>16708908
i think he at least had christian ideals

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>>16707715
So how are his later books? People only jack off the 30s ones.

>>16708673
Were there many Celine threads? I didn't notice.

Forget formalistic bullshit like "Ulysses" or "In search of lost time." Yes, they will be important stylistic revolutions, but the European twentieth century is characterized more by our sublime capacity to annihilate each other than by writing without punctuation marks, which is still another manifestation of the mental derangement that took us where it took us ( to lay the foundations so that, in the XXI, we would have Reggaetón and the end of 'Lost').

'Journey to the End of the Night' by Louis Ferdinand Céline is the best book of the entire last century: because it is not only a stylistic prodigy of language renewal, but because it is the best portrait of the filth pit that is the 20th century ever written (addresses the First World War, African colonialism, American industry and French moral misery in general). It is, of course, not a very rare opinion of mine: Céline's 'Voyage…' - and also her second non-initiation novel 'Death on credit' - are bedside books of many reputable novelists and critics.

Buy them, ideally in the impressive lavishly lavishly illustrated edition by Jacques Tardi! There it looks a lot both to see a whole ship vomiting while crossing the English Channel and the compulsive adolescent masturbation that constitutes 96% of ‘Mort à Credit’. The funny thing is that, after the entire French left celebrated Céline for those two nihilist masterpieces, Louis Ferdinand came off the hook with a first anti-communist pamphlet - 'Mea Culpa' - followed by a deranged trilogy of anti-Semitic pamphlets - 'Trifles for a massacre ',' The school of corpses', 'A good mess' - which, possibly, to this day, continue to constitute the largest trolling in the history of literature.


Phrases such as "Hitler does not lie to me like the Jews, he does not tell me 'I am your brother', he tells me 'the right is strength'" mark an alienated dialogue with a fictitious interlocutor in which Céline cheerfully plagiarizes passages from the book that already they are thinking - but what can I say in case someone didn't get it: 'The protocols of the wise men of Zion' - in which he accuses the Jews of conspiring to provoke the extermination of the Aryan race.

>>16707715
I love Céline but I loathe all his subpar imitators (Bukowski et al).

The scandal caused was such that some writers - like Sartre's leftard, who admired him - said that the only possible explanation for the ‘Trifles…’ is that the Nazis had paid him to write that nonsense. Or that he had just written it for the hell of it. 'The school of corpses' denied him: he denied being paid to anyone and further ridiculed his anti-Semitism, saying that there was not a single Jew who was not a "devil's gold keeper", while proposing an eternal alliance with Hitler to ward off his danger. Not with Mussolini, who seemed too lukewarm in his anti-Semitism. To give you an idea of the degree of alienation, in Nazi Germany they even banned Céline's pamphlets! And, for Goebbels, they were something so grotesque and unhinged that "they ended up giving a bad image to the noble cause of anti-Semitism."

The thing, of course, was not there (after all, the pamphlets - even sold as humorous books with remarkable success - are just words). Celine went a step further and went on to actively denounce writers and Jews in general. Those were the heydays of the collaborationist Vichy government, with which Céline actively worked. So imagine the French trauma when you see how their best writer ever actively collaborates with the pro-Nazi government of Pétain and Laval. It is not difficult to see the result: to draw a stupid veil and make the new generations not even find out about the existence of that madman. Feck, when the centenary of his birth happened, the French government wanted to pay tribute to him, but you can imagine the reaction of many groups and the consequent cancellation of the event.
Many writers, to manage to face such a combination of bastard and genius, drew a dividing line: read the 'Voyage' and 'Death on credit' and, from then on, everything else was fucking shit. More than anything because Céline ...

He started! ... To write! To write! Like this!… With indiscriminate ellipsis… like… Sanskrit! Greeks!… And continuous exclamations! No sentence longer than this!… And more… dots… ellipsis!
Come on, he forced you to read his work as if you were a Pandava talking about the black hand. And of the black hand ... and conspiracy of the Jews! Céline could complain who, after the Second World War, was arrested and imprisoned in Denmark. In that prison, in which he caught every knowable disease and in which he lost half of his body mass.

Finally, after much judicial maneuvering, Céline managed to get back to France without being shot (although Sartre had campaigned for him to be brushed, to which an eschatologically inspired Céline replied, "Great Sartre”? The poop that's poking out of my ass is great?"). But he returned to France with the consideration of "national disgrace" and the subsequent loss of civil rights: for example, he could not denounce. Thus, people felt free to loot and set fire to their home with impunity. And Céline to beef up to unsuspected limits.


And at this point is where I REALLY start to enjoy this son of a bitch and go taliban from his books. Because I felt bad being a fan of 'Voyage' and not having read the 'Trifles ...' (I have it downloaded from a torrent in French and with an English translation of an American Nazi group, which makes me tremendously lazy to time to read it) but, suddenly, I saw several critics say “The three pamphlets are execrable, but they are the product of a time when more than half the population was as anti-Semitic as Céline. What is really serious are his last three books: the German trilogy, written in the 1950s, when everything about the Holocaust was already known ... And in which Céline does not ask for forgiveness! ”.

And there was the good thing.
The books 'From one castle to another', 'North' and 'Rigodon' tell about Céline's exile in Germany when it is already clear that Hitler is going to lose the war. Come on, he did not choose a bad country to be. In these works, the present is mixed - a ruined Céline, acting as a cheap doctor, with people insulting him (memorable when he meets his sister, who, scandalized, tells him "But haven't they shot you ?!") and him shitting all over the world - and the past hallucinated, with Germany collapsing around himself, his wife Lucette, his cat Bébert and collaborating actor Le Vigan (famous for his portrayal of Jesus Christ).

>>16710200
>Buy them, ideally in the impressive lavishly lavishly illustrated edition by Jacques Tardi!
Thanks for the rec, Anon

And there was the good thing.
The books 'From one castle to another', 'North' and 'Rigodon' tell about Céline's exile in Germany when it is already clear that Hitler is going to lose the war. Come on, he did not choose a bad country to be. In these works, the present is mixed - a ruined Céline, acting as a cheap doctor, with people insulting him (memorable when he meets his sister, who, scandalized, tells him "But haven't they shot you ?!") and him shitting all over the world - and the past hallucinated, with Germany collapsing around himself, his wife Lucette, his cat Bébert and collaborating actor Le Vigan (famous for his portrayal of Jesus Christ).

What if! They are… written with… ellipsis…! And exclamations! Exclamations! Repeated ... repeated! With which the critic duly pointed out “One page is funny, four are tiring, but four hundred! After reading that you end up writing EPIC posts on Vicissitude and Squalor! "
Among the highlights of these books are moments in which he insults the president of Vichy Pierre Laval calling him “dirty Jew!”, The apotheosis of narrating how some humble latrines in Siegmarigen castle have to serve nearly two thousand collaborators there crowded, or making fun of Anna Frank saying yes, that a lot of Hollywood interest in her, but that they too were persecuted and oppressed (the… Jews!) but that nobody wants to make a movie about her epic! This is level alienation. And yet, Jacques Tardi - an author who militates on the left - did not hesitate to also make covers for these books, because the genius of Céline makes you not mind looking bad with your red colleagues by profession, who did not hesitate to say that you had to go to Jacques to, at the very least, "spit on his glasses."

Still, I like more my cover of the seventies Spanish edition of ‘Rigodon’: “Marginalized for collaborationist and pro-Nazi”. You have to see how this puritan society is, that marginalizes you for nothing! And I will still wonder why that book has been discontinued in Spain for 30 years ...
To round it all off, editor Gallimard encouraged Céline to have a media presence. And Louis Ferdinand decided that if France wanted to see a monster, he was going to give it to them. The result? That ALL of his television interviews were duly censored, coming to light many years later. And in them, even if it is in the subtext, it is seen that there is no regret, as they said from others when they ‘learned’ of the holocaust. Céline considers herself, like a polar scout dog, of such an aristocracy that she has to warn the mob violently and by barking of the danger that lies in wait for them. The Jews, of course.

>>16707715
>open up Bagatelles pour un massacre
>ctrl f 'juif'
>957 results
lmao. twice as many as Mein Kampf in a third of the pages

>>16710232
The Nazis themselves were even surprised at Céline's views. He was beyond a Nazi.

>>16710245
>Le Juif il est déjà planqué, les blancs ils râlent sous les trombes... Ils s'engueulent tous comme des chiens... Ils sont dehors, ils hurlent au vent... Ils ont rien compris... Voici comme ça se passe les débarcadères... Le bateau s'annonce... il approche du quai... il accoste... Le "second" monte à la coupée... comme juste les filins viennent aux bornes. Le rafiot cale dans les "fagots"... Tous les frimands sont tassés, une horde en bas... qui la grince je vous garantis... Ils attendent le "nombre"... la grelotte !... Il en faut cinquante ! qu'il annonce...

imagine if we had this lad shitposting on here with us

>>16710265
He would be v& in a week

>>16707715
Master

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>>16708787
death on the installment plan is one of the funniest books I've ever read and more or less a page turner for me like anything by Celine

>>16709751
He liked that Christianity told people they were trash, made them humble. He writes about it somewhere I've forgotten.

This thread is pretty short and already full of admirable stuff. Céline is blessed, that's all there is to it.

>>16707715
Hack. See his later work.

Is the first English translation of Bagatelles, which pops up on google, worth anything?

>>16710232
Based

>>16708945
Carlson is a hack.