/lit/ - Literature

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>>16676431
get an anthology of English poetry, then an anthologies of French and German poetry (you should speak these two languages, and Italian would also helps), then read the Greeks and the Latins, then Dante, Leopardi, Pushkin, Tagore

>>16676471
I forgot the Spanish poets my bad, you should also read them

>>16676471
How do I come to appreciate poetry when I only enjoy one or two poems?

>>16676491
Try to read other poems by the authors of the poems you like, other authors of the same movement, get an anthology of your native language to familiarise yourself with the history of poetry and discover new important poems. Reading aloud helps a lot I find. Don't hesitate to reread to catch all the little things that you may not have noticed. When reading aloud, try to not too much emphasis at first, especially on the verses this will help you appreciate both the visual and the phonetical beauty of the poem.
What poems do you like?

>>16676471
Italian here, it's truly depressing to see that this board doesn't even know who are Leopardi, Foscolo, Montale, Ungaretti, Campana, Ariosto, Tasso, Petrarca. Some of the greatest poets ever lived (and this is objective) are not even known. Wow.
>the first 10 poets are all english except Homer
Fucking kek

>>16676431
I got you senpai:
Pindar
Virgil
Lucretius
Horace
Chaucer
Petrach
Dante
Shakespeare
Ben Johnson
Rimbaud
Baudelaire
Mallarmé
Valery
Hölderin
Schiller
Goethe
Heine
Keats
Byron
Shelley
(mediocre) Wordsworth
(mediocre) Longfellow
Coleridge
Whitman
Poe
Dickinson
WH Auden
Yeats
Rilke
Robert Lowell
Wallace Stevens

>>16676998
this is a fairly good list OP, one could always nitpick but if you're an anglo and read these you can legitimately consider yourself well-read

>>16676431
For the English lit. you can always go with this for a scholarly outlook:
>A History of English Poetry (5 volumes)
W.J. Courthope

And for prolly the best anthology, you can go with this:
>The Oxford Book of English Verse (1250-1900)
ed. A. Quiller-Couch

>>16676748
I like poems that resonate with me in particular (obviously), namely, death and loneliness; but also, I appreciate surreal imagery and clever word play, as exemplified by the 'Owl and the Pussy cat'.

The only poems that interest me are:

>The Owl and the Pussy Cat
>Do not stand at my grave and weep
>Say not the Struggle nought Availeth
>If
>Pass on by Michael Lee (Spoken word)

Help me gain a better appreciation of poetry because I would like to become a great poet. If it wasn't for the above poems, I wouldn't even consider ever reading poetry to begin with.

>>16676856
Leopardi gets shilled her all the time you autist. Orlando Furioso is talked about pretty frequently, though not as much as Leopardi. Ungaretti is shit.

The other ones I can agree with.

>>16676856
I agree my Italian friend, truly depressing, we should depart for the greener pastures of an Italian speaking board

>>16676856
well it's a "favorite poets" list, meaning "more popular", it's not an objective list, it's really not surprising that anglos dominate it
also Baudelaire is in the top 10

>>16677566
>Leopardi gets shilled her all the time you autist
Not very often. Considered his importance I would expect him to be discussed by people of taste almost regularly.
>Ungaretti is shit
Find me another poet who depicted the depressing, alienating atmosphere of Europe at the turn of the First World War as well as Ungaretti.

>>16677618
I've not read Ungaretti so I won't comment about him, but what do you think of said depiction of Europe by Yeats and Eliot? They seem like the masters of it to me (and I'm not even an anglo)

the Oxford Verse series, one you develop your own taste for certain styles you can look further into individual poets

>>16676471
>No Rudyard Kipling

>>16677618
>Considered his importance I would expect him to be discussed by people of taste almost regularly.
Considering how little poetry is discussed, he is shilled a lot. He is talked about more than fucking Rilke or Celan.

>Find me another poet who depicted the depressing, alienating atmosphere of Europe at the turn of the First World War
What a retarded metric to judge the merit of a poet, but Stramm is better than Ungaretti in every conceivable way.

>>16676998
Good list. I'd only add GM Hopkins and Kipling, both important given their huge influence.

>>16677631
Yeats and Eliot did not go into the trenches, so their life experience is not really the same. Ungaretti speaks about war without actually speaking about war. He touches universal themes while being very lyrical.

The poetry itself is completely different, Eliot wrote long poems, Ungaretti wrote extremely condensed short poems, Yeats was prosaic most of the time, Ungaretti has an unreachable metaphorical density in every single line.

I guess the problem, once again, is the inaccessibility of Ungaretti to anyone who doesn't know Italian. There is no way to translate a poem where 3 words mean 20 different things at once.

>>16677664
>What a retarded metric to judge the merit of a poet
You're implying that's the only metric? I love Ungaretti for what it is, and the fact that he brings me back to that time and those places like no one else is a huge added value.

>>16676998
>He forgot Homer

>>16677708
I still answered the question with your metric you fucking autist. Don't blame me for 20th-century Italian-language poetry being inferior to 20th-century German-language in every way.

>>16677727
Why are Germans always so harsh and butthurt?

>>16677734
Because they lost the war.

>>16677696
>Eliot wrote long poems
le petal station face

>>16677734
Your first post in this thread is you crying about Italian poetry

>>16677708
>>16677727
blocks both your paths

>>16677758
What did he mean by this?

>>16677664
ahhhh why the fuck is Celan's poetry so fucking expensive? The shitty paperback is like 30 Euros.

>>16677764
Well, first of all "crying" is not the same as expressing anger and existential hatred towards everything. Second, I was not crying about anything but simply acknowledging the fact that this board ignores (intentionally or unintentionally, which is bad in both cases) a lot of non-anglo authors that deserve attention, and this is the case especially with the Italian ones in my own opinion. Third, do not start a discussion with me because every time this happened with a German dude on 4chan it went on for days (I'm not even kidding). This is what your autistic philosophical tradition does to you: you prefer wasting your time spewing insults on a dumb imageboard to prove that you are correct about some shitty irrelevant matter instead of enjoying life and producing something good. It's not a coincidence if your only decent novelist (Thomas Mann) hated Germans.

>>16677870
based italianbro, Franco-Italy reunification when?

>>16677870
I'm not German you retard. Why do you think went to the effort to type Italian and German-language poetry. Italians are mentally ill. If your language produced anything worth reading in the past 100 years perhaps it wouldn't have been as forgotten and you wouldn't need to weep.

>>16677881
As soon as possible, friend

>>16676478
What are good spanish poets for those getting a grip on both poetry and spanish?

>>16676471
What is a good anthology of english poetry? I find that reading poems without notes and critical support is pretty pointless. I don't understand much

>>16681241
The Norton anthologies are good. Plus, get yourself some Norton Critical Editions.

Also, reading and working through Stephen Fry's The Ode Less Traveled is very helpful.