/lit/ - Literature

>>16660902
>>inb4 class struggle
how deluded one has to be to think Wagner was writing Marxist analysis lmao

>>16660902
alien head mf lol

>>16660969
Indeed.

>>16660956
How illiterate is one actually to be unaware of him manning the barricades with Bakunin

>>16660981
>Bakunin
>Wagner
>marxists

The moment the ring went from being worn around the head to being adorned around the finger, and the wings turned to horns, was the moment that life became mutually conflated with the world, and Spirit became hidden in plain sight.

When the ring conjoins, and the wings oscillate, the orb ascends, and, affixed in the cross, the three become one.

>>16661022
Dude, the ring has probably existed longer than the crown. Or are you speaking in metaphors? Bequeath your mind!

Bro's, why is the Ring so boring?

>>16660902
>>16660956
>>16660986
Nobody called Wagner or all of his works Marxist. l2read, retards.

>>16661379
Yes but you were implying that he was when you said so arrogantly "How illiterate is one actually to be unaware of him manning the barricades with Bakunin," the worst part being that neither was Bakunin himself a marxist.

>>16661243
first act of rheingold is pure fun though
>>16660902
the meaning of the cycle is no matter the political/personal struggle each one of us go through we can only end it with our annihilation

>>16660973
Bruh he looks 100% like my grandpa. What's up with old (germanic) men looking like this.

>>16661390
That wasn't my post.

>>16661398
Just lucky I guess.

>>16661408
What's the point of your post then? In the last thread an anon - or you? - literally interpreted the Ring cycle chiefly in regards to class struggle, which is ridiculous.

>>16660902
Apart from salvation which is in literally every Wagner opera (not counting the shitty early ones)? Messianic socialism. The capitalist gods are at war with the Nibelung proletariat, Siegfried enters the hall of the Gibichungs dressed in the "ragged clothes of a mythical hero" and meets Gunther wearing a dinner jacket, visualising how alien the hero is to the world etc. It is a critical view of industrial capitalism and the consequential destructive commodification of art and spiritual background.

>>16661420
My point is nobody said he was a Marxist except for one troll in the previous thread so stop pretending like people think or said he was retard.

>>16661434
Don't you think it's a little reductive to take all the divinity out of the Gods? There's evidently economic themes, but I think an interpretation always falls short if it is strictly economic/socialistic, and does not account things such as what I just said.

>>16661436
>I- I was only trolling!
Yeah right pal, maybe brush up on your Wagner research next time before claiming shit about things you know nothing about.

bumpa!

>>16661462
It literally wasn't my post you fucking moron.

>>16661243
because you're a soulless nincompoop.

>>16660902
read Vico

>>16662194
Was Wagner influenced by Vico? Now that I think about it, there are some stark parallels in the Ring of Vico's philosophy, the movement of history is obvious, but that probably comes directly from Hegel.