/lit/ - Literature

First for best series in the world

Repost from last thread cause it died

What are some more easy to digest fantasy series I could get into? Just finished new sun and dune messiah and really want something more leight-weight, but no sanderson/jordan type of YA stuff though. I see Farseer recommended a lot, is it decent?

>>16637121
falls off by like book 3

Which books have the coolest shit?
>>16637125
Read Black Company, I already told you.

>>16637121
>read Eye of The World
>cringe LotR fanfiction but with furries and teenage love drama
>read The Great Hunt
>one of my all-time favorite fantasy books
How did Jordan do it?

You guys always shit on Sanderson but he seems a likable sort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

Since the English translation is coming out soon, I got to ask: have any of you Polacks read this? And if so, what did you think?

>>16637160
Read last thread, there was one in there they seemed to like it

>>16637151
I don't read my friend's fanfiction.

Red Sonja rip-off, pretty good if you need a R. Howard fix.

>November is next week
It's been 2 years since I heard anything from that shit author. Not a peep, not a word. There have been at least 15 books published from combined authors I follow since he said he was publishing in November 2019.

Fúçķ Ę. Wįłĺīäm Břøwňę

>>16637166
Why not? Me and my best friend wrote shit for each other all the time back in middle school

>>16637175
Speaking of hiatuses, who will finish their series first?
>GRRM
>Rothfuss
>Lynch

>>16637185
Unironically Martin

>>16637121
Your world is your bedroom isn't it
>>16637125
Read my comment then you doublenigger

Where do I go from this?
I thought it was good.

>>16637178
>ok let me take a look bro
>"maybe we should rub our fat cocks together sometime. maybe a little oil. two fat cocks. together. oil."

>>16637262
You're strange. Odd. Queer, even.

>>16637125
Shadowmarch series by tad Williams is pretty good. Discworld is fun if you like satire. Elenium by Eddings is a romp through the tropes of fantasy, with kino bants between the characters.

>>16637185
Martin will die, they will pick Abercrombie to finish it. He will write one book where it turns out Rob didn't die and has been having killing frenzys across the north, erm I mean westeros. Rob kills everyone outside of house stark. At the end he berzerks and is about to kill Bran, so Arya stabs him in the back. Therefore Martin's series will be finished first.

>>16637476
And it'll still be better than anything Rothfuss or Lynch will do.

>>16637485
Did I say that was a bad book? I would rather see that book published and witness blubber tears run down Lynch and Rothfuss' faces than ever read another one of their shitty books. I could write better books than either of those idealess hacks. I just don't spend about my writing on here.

Does anyone know what is the friendliest reading to get into Cyberpunk?
I was thinking about Snow Crash

>>16637540
Why wouldn't you start with Neuromancer?

>>16637540
Neuromancer is always where you start. Snow Crash is a parody of Neuromancer.

>>16637568
I thought I should already have a little experience for that

>>16637580
Yeah, the audience of Neuromancer sure had lots of experience when it was first published...

>>16637577
OH.

>finished all the translated chapters
>only about half of the 900 chapter series were done
>dropped 2 years ago

Should I finish it machine translated or not is the question

>>16637690
The real question is how little you value yourself.

>>16637594
Based hydroxyl radical poster

>>16637790
Pretty low
Which is why I’m contemplating it

>>16637867
If it gets much lower, you may have to contemplate something else.

>>16637125
Chronicles of Amber by Roger Zelazny

>>16637121
Don't eat garbage Anon

>>16637125
Prince of thorns (I’m going to get allot of shit for this) but it’s based. The next series is quite heavy but I’m legally forced to shill it : SA series by RSB

>>16637185
Fat Rothpuss hasn't turned in a single word of book 3 to his editor for six years

>>16637253
Probally pon but I’m assuming you’ve already read that.

>>16637262
Such a classic fucking video. I think that genuinely made me think I was gay back when I was 7.

>>16638256
Yeah, thinking of reading it again now though, since I can't seem to find anything in a similar vein.
Finished Bakker's Disciple of the Dog even.

>>16637125
Turtledove's Videssos books

If you still don't believe that he's the greatest fantasy author of all time, you're just in denial at this point.

>>16638452
He looks like a magical forest creature.

>>16638452
He's just a fat need who writes derivative self-insert femdom

>>16638573
Aren't they all?

>>16638581
Terry Goodkind isn't fat

>>16638654
>isn't
anon, i...

>>16637151
What's the reverse of an ad hominem called? You know, when you can't actually defend any of a person's work or ideas, so you deflect from the issue by bringing up entirely irrelevant crap about how great they are as a "person".

Also, holy crap, I can't believe people actually waste time (and probably money) on advice this general. It's about as obvious with the advice as a self-help book.

I don't know anything about Eastern religion or culture.
Will I enjoy this book? Will it give me a false impression about them?

>>16637168
thanks, fren.

>>16638229
Its terrible. Like I'm the edgiest preteen twink /pol/ poster ever terrible. You are trashy and have abominable taste, but I am glad you found something you love. I hope you improve with age.

>>16638457
Who writes down syndrome into their fantasy forest? Or is he just some flavor of hobbit?

>>16637185
None of them are even working anymore.

>>16638195
kek

Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>>16638986
>cant appreciate realism
This is why fantasy will never be accepted as a legit genre.

>>16638999
Thinking this is realism is why you'll never be accepted anywhere legitimate.

Thanks, I love spiders now.

>>16638229
>Muh never-ending painful existence.
>"Let's rape some wenches and maids, huh, my brothers?"
>They are dirty rapists and murderers, my brothers, but they subject to my 14 year old self, they are loyal.
>But was it so bad? The raping?
>NOO, my poor mother, muh briar patch, I will have revenge
>Thinking, the talking of the soul, as Plato used to say.
That shit is god awful and I curse the anon who recommended it to me all those years ago.

>>16638858
GRRM is working his fat ass off. Winds of Winter in 2021 baby!

>>16637460
Elenium is Eddings's worst series, though. Pick literally anything else

>>16639022
You can't actually fuck a spider, Adrian, and it's a weird fetish to boot.

>>16639022
Is this spider really 10 000 IQ?

>>16637103
how good is Neuromancer, anons? in your honest opinions

>>16638457
he is, the Moron thing is just a façade

>>16637125
The Thief by Meghan Whelan Turner. Yeah, Y/Aish but not dumb and phony. Great plotting and an engaging pov character. Series turns dark after the third, but the first three are golden.

>>16639981
It's great, but it's fine if you don't like it. Read a chapter and decide for yourself.

>>16639981
It's great but read it as a mood piece. If the tone and attitude aren't grabbing you, you won't like it.

Where do I start with Stanislaw Len?
Iljon Tichy's star diaries?

>>16639981
I loved it the first time I read it but I can't reread it.

I just want to read something clever like Wolfe again, where you have to work a bit to get what's going on
Short Sun was my favorite, loved the identity issues with Horn/Silk and his ability to see the good in all people, even vampire-aliens
beautiful book

Anyone read the Prince of Nothing series? What viewpoint is the book pushing?
From wikipedia: "The key feature distinguishing the Prince of Nothing series from its contemporaries is the importance of philosophy to the work. The plot, characters, setting, and metaphysics of the Prince of Nothing are intertwined with philosophical positions unique to the series."

Ok I started the culture series and as another anon mentioned the first book is very much a downer. I just went with what the good reads sequence for reading but apparently that was a mistake.
Seeing how that was the case I gotta ask, can I just go with the recommended Lazarus long series on good reads or should do something else. Now that i've started i need to finish the book just to see how the story ends on with consider phlebas but that kind of put me off from continuing the series after that.

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is p good.

>vamps don't fully turn until they've fed
What happens if they take blood intravenously? Is it a digestion thing, a composition thing, a fang thing, an action thing, a spiritual thing? How much of it is supernatural as opposed to natural? what is their tax rate?

>>16640191
Vampires aren't real so all of the above and none of the above.

>>16640199
Damnit, Jim, we need the autism

>>16640191
How can they take blood intravenously? Do they have a pulse? How does it circulate?

>>16640206
Have at it.

>>16640226
> thinking logic matters
lol

>>16640226
Pressure pumps, maybe lots of farting? The questions mount.

>>16640028
fuck this was one of my favorite books as a teen. are the others in the series just as good as the first?

>>16640122
Read it and find out. You’ll like it.

>>16640344
No, but two and three are excellent and different from each other and the first. Each is worthwhile in a different way. 4 and 5 aren't bad, but have a bitterness and violence to them that don't uphold the spirit of the earlier books.

>>16640191
Only applies to red court, and they're extinct now so it's irrelevant

>>16638767
Yes

No

>>16637580
It's a hard read but just plow through it. Then read Snow Crash

weeper faggot

>>16640922
Based and Utemotpilled

>>16637134
First book is just an elaborate setup for the actual story. It feels like it was written that way because if it wasn't like LotR it wouldn't get published.

What are the most touching emotional moments in scifi/fantasy stories? Doesnt all the spectacle and style of escapist stories take too much away from raw feels?

>>16640922
The slog of slogs boys!

>>16641232
>actual story
What story?
>>16641253
Hmmmm some of Ender's Game...the end of Foundation and Empire?

>>16639590
No the gods one was the worst. And anon asked for not YA, so that leaves Elenium and its follow up Tamura

>>16640356
You're mean.

>>16640808
Ok
and you don't recommend more cyberpunk to this humble pleb? Neuromancer is interesting so far.

>>16641730
Neuromancer is part of a trilogy, read the next books, Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive.

>>16641730
if you want more after the neuromancer trilogy, or want to try other authors:
synners - pat cadigan
software - rudy rucker
snow crash - neal stephenson
vurt - jeff noon

>>16640133
I read Bank's Player of Games (and The Bridge but it's not part of the Culture series) and I liked it/them a lot. But then I tried Consider Phlebas and could not get into it at all, dropped it pretty quickly.

>>16640097
Maybe the Amber Chronicles by Roger Zelazny. It isn't unreliable narrator but it starts in media res and he has to figure out wtf is going on and who's fucking with him throughout the series.

>>16639981
It still holds up imo. Not a big fan of his later series.

>read his blog
>go somewhat insane
based

>>16641828
Give Use of Weapons a read. Probably the best novel in The Culture series. You may also like Feersum Endjinn by him.

>>16641496
>What story?
The plot of books 2 - 14, about the Dragon Reborn.

>character acts guilty/remorseful over killing
>yet when it comes time to do it they enjoy it, hating and loving every second of it

Any good characters like this come to mind, fantasy bros?

>>16642319
Logen and Broad from Abercrombie's First Law series.

>>16642320
Logen, yes, but not Broad. The madman could've been written better.

>>16642063
thanks, i'll try those. i figured Phlebas was an early work and didn't know in which of his books he started getting good.

>>16640191
>Dresden Files
If I remember correctly its a demon thing. Giving in to the demon and feeding empowers it and allows it to further its hold on your soul. Though, maybe thats just the white court.

>>16641253
Memory of Ice from the Malazan series made me pretty misty eyed. Gruntle and Itkovian, fuckin' heroes. And I can't forget my boy Iskar Jarak. Fuck, Trull and the other Sengars too. Hell, ALL of Malazan. Not the ICE books though, they suck.

>>16641552
If the Belgariad is YA, the elenium is as well, there's no difference in maturity between them

>>16638452
This dude is the only writer where the translations of his books are better than the originals.

Can you guys recommend a good, dark 1 volume fantasy book? Maybe with a morally grey character/antihero. I have never read a fantasy book. I tried navigating with the chart in the OP but it really does me no good.

>>16642619
Between Two Fires by Buehlman fits that perfectly.

The Shattered World

>>16642622
Thanks for the recommendation. From the synopsis it sounds less like fantasy and more like a historic, realistic middle ages piece with lots of religion motifs, but I have to say, having to escort a little girl, who might or might not be a human, through "an apocalyptic landscape" sounds really, really interesting. I'll check it out.

>>16642644
It's definitely fantasy, just not the orc-elves kind. The bible is fantasy too if you think about it.
The girl is great, I really enjoyed the banter between her and the knight throughout the journey.

>>16642619
kane by karl edward wagner

>>16641253
Remembrance of Earths Past had emotional impactson me, as did the Forever War. Enders Game and Shadow of the Hegemon are also great
> tfw not worth a Bean

>>16642619
you could strap in for the Rollercoaster that is the Library at Mount Char

Someone's selling these books for 3 bucks each, anyone here know if they're any good?

>>16639981
It's pretty bad, but important to the subgenre (which I don't value very much).

>>16641253
>>16642359
Malazan also was good with Tehol and Bugg for impact. Agreed with fuck the Sengars.

>>16642400
The main difference is that Sparhawk and the other knights are all adults, while in the Mallorean Garion is a youth. So it feels less YA when you have a worn down protagonist as opposed to an unsure/angsty one.

>>16640097
Short Sun is great. Have you read Stations of the Tide by Swanwick? I'd recommend that it if you like Wolfe.

>>16640122
Yeah I've read it and it's shit. It has no insightful philosophy to speak of, just a bunch of characters and events that don't behave in ways that make sense and it can't reach a conclusion to save the author's life.

>>16643282
Trulls death was kind of retarded though how he just totally let his guard down and got knifed by some noob

What the best way to address transgender issues in a fantasy setting?

>>16643433
just don't include them, transpeople are rare enough that there's no reason for them to show up in your story, not like they had trans surgery in the past so they just crossdressed or coped.

If you get questioned on it just say you didn't want to speak for trans people by including them in your stroy and potentially upsetting them

>>16643433
Don't.

>>16638206
based, Amber is best Zelazny

>>16643433
Have them commit suicide.

>>16643433
No idea. Why do you want to address it?

>>16643438
>taking the bait this hard
Anon, I...
>>16643460
Peak realism, this is the way

>>16643433
I think bodyswapping is an interesting tactic to defeat an enemy, or even a possible plot point for an MC to overcome, but that entire realm of conceptualization is now off-limits.
Thanks to (((them))) for destroying even more of the idea.

>>16643438
>just don't include them
That's apparently not acceptable. My beta reader objected to me indicating there are only two sexes when a character coming from an all male society (evil wizard only conjures male orcs in his army) met a female of his kind for the first time and somebody had to give him the crash course on what a female is.

>>16643484
Get a beta reader who doesn't have obscene mental illness and believes that their personal opinion overrules biology.

>>16637121
I bought book 7 when I was a child and was thoroughly confused. Would not try WoT.

>>16638452
I don't like his writing style. It sometimes reads like he's ERPing and writing responses to another RPer all the time.
>She winced at that.
>He coughed at that.
>at that
>at that
>at that

>>16643433
big breasted futanari night elves arrive in stormwind and fuck the entire city, but in the end their primary attraction ends up being femboys and so, in their elven cruelty, force them to take futanari potions

>>16637103
Diaspora - Greg Egan (1997)
Multiple people of similar taste assured me this was a masterpiece and that I ought to give it another chance.

How much you'll be able to enjoy this may depend how much tolerance you have for scientific explanation and discussion as a primary mode of exposition. It may be almost as important that you are to appreciate that which you may not understand, as there are many mathematical and physics concepts presented that seem to assume that the reader has at least some familiarity with them. As this book is almost exclusively concerned with ideas and theorizing to the exclusion of almost all else, I strongly caution anyone to temper their expectations if they would think to read it for anything else other than that.

Various perspective are followed and they are all important and have their roles to play that no other character would be able to do. There is a character that could be called the protagonist but I don't believe that would be accurate. The plot, setting, and everything exists to provide a narrative framework for the ideas.

It's difficult for me to tell how much of this should be interpreted religiously or as a general warning against worship of anything other than the fundamental truths of the universe, namely math, physics and similar. The initial perspective character has an immaculate conception and several of the characters have religiously themed names. However, religion is also explicitly described by a main character as being something to have been long since forsaken by even the most primitive conservatives.

It has a lot of great ideas that were at the forefront of his time, some of which have become realized in minor ways. Unfortunately this is mired in the science which decreases its level of accessibility. This could have been major hit and bestseller if done differently, but I don't think that's ever what Egan had gone for, but I could be wrong. For some it's better to entirely satisfy relatively few than to satiate many. I wouldn't include myself in that entirely satisfied.

Overall I'd classify this as a work of intellectual masturbation. It starts off slow and slowly increases tempo over time trying to last a long time, but eventually all restraint is lost and it's going at it as quickly as possible. Orgasm is reached and one begins to wonder with one's post-orgasmic insight why one had done any of it all and resumes what one was doing beforehand.

I'll get around to reading more of his novels.
Rating: 4/5

>>16637103
Diaspora - Greg Egan (1997)
Multiple people of similar taste assured me this was a masterpiece and that I ought to give it another chance.

How much you'll be able to enjoy this may depend how much tolerance you have for scientific explanation and discussion as a primary mode of exposition. It may be almost as important that you are to appreciate that which you may not understand, as there are many mathematical and physics concepts presented that seem to assume that the reader has at least some familiarity with them. As this book is almost exclusively concerned with ideas and theorizing to the exclusion of almost all else, I strongly caution anyone to temper their expectations if they would think to read it for anything else other than that.

Various perspective are followed and they are all important and have their roles to play that no other character would be able to do. There is a character that could be called the protagonist but I don't believe that would be accurate. The plot, setting, and everything exists to provide a narrative framework for the ideas.

It's difficult for me to tell how much of this should be interpreted religiously or as a general warning against worship of anything other than the fundamental truths of the universe, namely math, physics and similar. The initial perspective character has an immaculate conception and several of the characters have religiously themed names. However, religion is also explicitly described by a main character as being something to have been long since forsaken by even the most primitive conservatives.

It has a lot of great ideas that were at the forefront of his time, some of which have become realized in minor ways. Unfortunately this is mired in the science which decreases its level of accessibility. This could have been major hit and bestseller if done differently, but I don't think that's ever what Egan had gone for, but I could be wrong. For some it's better to entirely satisfy relatively few than to satiate many. I wouldn't include myself in that entirely satisfied.

Overall I'd classify this as a work of intellectual masturbation. It starts off slow and slowly increases tempo over time trying to last a long time, but eventually all restraint is lost and it's going at it as quickly as possible. Orgasm is reached and one begins to wonder with one's post-orgasmic insight why one had done any of it all and resumes what one was doing beforehand.

I'll get around to reading more of his novels.
Rating: 4/5

I hate to be
>that guy
but can someone tell me where I can download Between Two Fires by Buehlmann in .txt or .pdf format? b-ok only offers Epub and Mobi (don't know what those are) and their Convert To PDF option has long since stopped working.

>>16644146
You're going to be much better off just learning what an epub is, then, since the vast majority of ebooks are in that format, and they are much more convenient to use than a pdf. You can easily convert an epub or mobi to pdf or any other format (or just read it) with a free program called calibre.

>>16644175
Thanks a lot for the info.

>>16644146
epub is the gold standard for books nowadays. txt is not suitable and pdf is so outdated its laughable. you can convert epub to pdf with online converters or calibre but why would you its a horrible file format and every ebook reader supports epub natively.

>>16638344
Wow you’re a little bakker slut.
Second apocalypse was some of the coolest shit I’ve read however so I completely understand

>>16641253
Enders game the mexican priest getting glued to the tree and Enders like dude that’s fucked up and everyone’s like aaaarghhhh

>>16640922
...faggot? he thought

>>16644340
its just text bro

>>16644340
The problem with reading books on PDF is not that the file format is "outdated," it's that it's designed as a format for printed documents, not reading on screens. Even a simple HTML document would be much better for casual reading than a PDF, because the text could be formatted to fill any sized screen with appropriate margins and line size etc. PDFs are only passable as an electronic document format on PCs because computer screens generally happen to be at least as large as a sheet of paper.
Anyway, epubs are supported by pretty much every e-reader or ebook app on mobile devices, and it's a shame that the lack of a default handler on windows in particular discourages people who are primarily using PCs rather than mobile devices from getting used to them.

>>16637103
Is the Book of the New Sun series ACTUALLY good, or are you guys fucking with me?

>>16644442
Fucking. It's always funny when we bait a newfriend into reading that meme and come here to complain later.

>>16640122
It's terrible, the extent of its "philosophical depth" is saying famous quotes out of context

>>16643433
Have a man in a dress kill himself

>>16644423
pdf was not really designed for print as its main focus. it was designed to be unalterable. pdfs main gimmick was that it could not be altered once created. which was proven wrong like a week or so after the pdf spec happened. so they latched onto the print bandwagon which funnily enough epub does better as well.

ironically i mainly use my pc to read books in epub format. on windows i use sumatraPDF and on linux i use lector. only rarely do i actually read books on my phone i do however am considering buying a fancy color e-ink e-reader but probably not any time soon. i find them unreasonably expensive for what they offer.

>>16644448
Well, too late, I already bought it. You got me.

>>16644485
Jesus I couldn't imagine reading more than a few pages on my PC. Get an ereader, they're extremely cheap for the investment considering they last years and will let you read hundreds to thousands of books. If you're a hyper poorfag just get an used one on ebay, I just sold my old Kindle Paperwhite (with light, mind you) for 40 bucks on ebay since I got a new Oasis.

>>16644506
>Jesus I couldn't imagine reading more than a few pages on my PC
its all about what screen you have and how you set up your colors. i have an ips screen which is amazing and does not cause any eye strain i also always haw the f.lux active in addition to a bright grey text on dark-grey background color scheme.
works wonders for readability.
the reason why im not getting an e-reader is that they dont seem to be good price-performance wise. the cheapest skimp out on features and the expensive ones are too expensive.

>>16644506
Nah man. I got a bunch of books on my workplace PC and read for a few hours daily, it works just fine even with those shitty displays. A bit annoying that I have to watch my back for collegues and quickly switch to some work-related PDF or application but it works pretty nice and because of it I am able to read 1-2 hours daily. I don't feel bad, since I get under minimum wage so fuck them.

>>16644533
Like I said, Paperwhite has the same screen as the most expensive one and can be had for around 50 bucks used. And after having read five books it already paid for itself. It's honestly one of the best value purchases I have ever made in my life, if not the most value one. Other things break or are obsolete after a few years or whatever, not this. Easily worth the new price even.
>>16644550
That sounds extremely uncomfy, but you do you.

>>16644561
Yeah, not the ideal environment to read, but I have to spend the time there no matter what, so I'll just try to make it work like that.

I got a Nook (lol) glow touch at a thrift store for $5. I think they thought it was broken because the battery was dead and they didn't understand how e-ink screens work. Even though all the built in Barnes and Noble stuff is useless, it reads any common file format and shows up as a usb drive on any computer. Calibre interfaces with it perfectly. It runs android under the hood so I did eventually end up rooting it and customizing a few things, but unaltered it would still be fine as a basic, rugged e-paper screen with a backlight and comfortable controls. The resolution is only 800x600 which has made some books that only came in PDF a bit of a challenge to read. I used a script to trim off all the margins from the pages and that was enough to make it barely readable. It has wifi but I haven't found any use for it (even rooted it's no use as a web browser, the browsers available for its ancient OS version don't support the latest security protocols that almost all modern websites use).
It's a lot more comfortable than reading on any type of computer screen, and it it's about equally convenient to reading on my phone, while easier on the eyes, so I use it all the time even if I'm actually sitting at my desk in front of the computer.

>>16644533
What features? The basic Kindle now has a lit display.
The Kobo Aura is not the most expensive and has the same stuff on the more expensive ones.
I've had a Kindle Paperwhite (1st gen) for the last 8 years and have read hundreds of books on it. How is that not a good cost : return ratio.
I'd understand if you were this guy >>16644550, but it's a ridiculous reason.

PDFs suck and most fantasy and SF is already in epub.

>>16637103
when will he finish it bros?

>>16644506
>he doesn't have an e-ink monitor
never gonna make it

>>16644671
Before 2025 we will read the last line.

>>16644707
The last last line?

>>16644671
>Martin said on his blog that he is writing the next installment, The Winds of Winter, at “a steady pace.” But, he conceded, “I still have a long way to go.” Still, the 71-year-old Martin said he hoped to finish sometime before a 2021 convention.

>>16644079
Got any recommendations for published work in this vein, sempai?

>>16644442
It’s my favorite desu. Not a meme. It definitely seems to be polarizing.

>>16644442
Another favorite here. Decoding several overlapping levels of meaning/storytelling/symbolism is good.

>>16644763
The only thing polarizing about it here is maybe which one of the 4 parts is better or Urth.

How the fuck was Gideon the Ninth even remotely commercially successful? Why are people so adamant that it's not YA when it so clearly is? Why does literature attract these types of people? It becomes entertaining enough, but it's not very good at all. Is it exclusively the lgbt angle?

>>16644810
Why even consider reading something/anything that has lgbt in it?

>>16644826
Because yuri is ultrahot?

>>16644826
See >>16644831, I'm a pervert. The problem is the heaviest it gets is an exploratory kiss and tons of ogling of little weak-bodied wheelchair moe girls. I really do not understand it. It seems so unwoke at the same time that it clearly tries to be woke. It just doesn't make sense

>>16644831
Just kill yourself

No one takes your genreshit seriously.

>>16644852
ok

>>16644738
No, they always reverse it in favor of orcs or humans.

>>16642033
Link?

>>16644826
For the same reason I read anything, enjoyment.

>>16643433
Read second apocalypse series and find out

>>16644826
I want the protagonist to fuck cute girls, but I also like it when the protagonist is a fuckable cute girl. There's only one way both desires can be satisfied.

hey bros is there a good fantasy/sci fi novel where the protagonist are girlfriend and boyfriend? i like romance in my novels (because i never experience it myself haha)

i downloaded a bunch of connie willis books today. they sound pretty good from the summaries. i also have a bunch of john crowley and alastair gray. i've read little, big and lanark years ago and they were amazing so i'm quite excited to read those. a book called ka by crowley sounds really good.

>>16644929
Twilight.

>>16644929
Vorkosigan Saga for sf. Riddlemaster of Hed trilogy for fantasy. His book is first and they get engaged, hers is second, adventures together in the third.

>>16644810
>Why do other people not have my taste in books

>>16645004
thank you very, very much bro, i look them up and hopefully they are what i look for
>>16644980
>pic related

>>16645101
oh man the vorkosigan saga is way too huge for a brainlet like me but riddlemaster of hed sounds like interesting vintage high fantasy

>>16641253
End of Short Sun, where the main character were to reunite with his wife, just to "die" was pretty emotional in and of itself
But then it changes perspective, it really hits home that Horn, was a very, very good person
Three books in, and I was still doubting him (because he is filled with genuine self-doubt), that he is only just pretending at being good, emulating an ideal of a man from his youth
The book being told as his diary, I thought he was playing himself up, while it was the other way around at least according to his son

Beautiful book and ending to the series
baffling how such a different mood could follow Severian's books, and still feel as a complete whole

>>16645134
Vorkosigan Saga are stand alone novels so you don't need to read them all

>>16644671
Literally never

>>16644133
I don't think Greg Egan is capable of writing a 'masterpiece'
he got ideas, he got themes, he stitch them together
But he's not a wordsmith
Diaspora may have lacked something in the editorial department as well. Not a bad book, not at all. I would recommend it to any fan of the genera, simply on the ground of how weird it is.Agree with all the warnings in your post, heh.

>>16638999
I don’t like fantasy and idk why, it just doesn’t interest me

>become immortal mage
>spend that time pooing

Who is the real Shallan??

Is Mistborn really YA?

>>16645324
Everything Sanderson does is YA.

>>16645327
Teenagers can't read books with more than 500 pages you silly

>>16645332
I did read like 30 Star Wars 250-500 pg. books in high school...

>>16645332
Teenagers can read more than adults thanks to their superior dopamine receptors, actually.

What is the cosmogony of Malazan Book of the Fallen?
Is it cheesy gnosticism?

>>16642622
>The year is 1348. Thomas, a disgraced knight, has found an orphan of the Black Death in a Norman village. An almost unnerving picture of innocence, she tells Thomas that the plague is only part of a larger cataclysm—that the fallen angels under Lucifer are rising in a second war on Heaven. But is it delirium or is it faith?
>She believes she has seen the angels of God. She believes the dead speak to her in dreams. And now she has convinced the faithless Thomas to shepherd her across an apocalyptic landscape to Avignon. There, she tells Thomas, she will fulfill her mission. There her true nature will be revealed. And there Thomas will confront an evil wrestling for the throne of Heaven, and which has poisoned his own soul.
God damn, I was never sold on a book this hard by a blurb. Instantly downloaded it.

>>16645356
yeah
basically all gods bad and they are corrupt

>>16645363
are the gods all one-dimensionally "evil"?

>>16645404
no but they aren't shown as good either
its inherently anti-religion

>>16645363
>all gods bad
mael shits in your mouth

>>16645413
>inherently anti-religion

>>16641730
John Shirley

>>16642622
>>16645361
Yeah, this sounds interesting. The writing seems to be pretty straight and unadorned, also heavy on dialogue.
From reading the excerpts, I'm slightly concerned it might be full of cliched expressions though. The biblical style in the prologue isn't exactly inspired or as polished as it could be.

Here's a good quality epub for it
>https://files.catbox.moe/1c7kzq.zip

>>16645257
I didn't find it to be particularly weird, but that may well be me.

>>16645195
Short Sun felt incredibly intimate for some reason. I couldn't help but imagine Wolfe poured a ton of his life experiences into it and he was talking to the reader. Having read his wife had some health issues kinda cemented the idea, that it was in part autobiographical. I don't know how much of it is true.
I felt really sad when I finished it, that familiar void of having read or experienced something extraordinary and seeing it to its conclusion.

>>16645231
Who will they hire to finish the series once he's dead. Based on ... notes found in his attic.

>>16645763
he literally has hired two authors, they co-wrote those lore/prequel books

Any (space) hardish science fiction with good worldbuilding? Something that makes the setting feel real.
I really liked The Revelation Space series in that regard (main plot was kind of dumb)

>>16646281
xeelee

>>16645353
This

>>16645332
My uncle got me The Shining for my eighth birthday and I finished it in a few days
>>16646281
The Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson

Im reading Fire Upon the Deep and Im confused. Are the flenserist human?

>>16643282
You misread. I was adding Trull and the Sengars in with the other emotionally impactful stuff. And I fucking forgot about my boy Beak too, goddammit it.

I don't give even half a shit about the Tiste Andii and their existential crisis meets teen angst and immortality bullshit.

>>16643382
He was distracted by mourning Rhulad, who finally got to die permanently.

>>16645404
Most of them are power mongering sneaky politicians who are sort of slaves to their aspect and worshippers as much as their worshippers are slaves to them. A lot of them used to be mortal, too, which just further confuses the already murky magic/ascension shit.

>>16645438
Mael shirks his responsibilities, ignores his devoted, and spends all his time playing the cosmically powerful straight man to a lunatic comedic insert. Mael can fuck off and shit in his own lazy ass mouth, or maybe be at least a little productive and rein in his batching kids.

>>16646470
>Tiste Andii get shooed back into their hidey hole by one rather angry human

>>16642622
this is literally the exact idea i had for a story. wtf

>>16646281
Neal Asher's Polity series
I think the plot is kinda even dumber though

>>16637540
Based.
I also came for recommendations due to CYBERPUNK 2077

got four books i can potentially start, how to rule an empire and get away with, the hod king, wrath of empire and red would conspiracy, what should i begin

>>16647439
KJ Parker is too misanthropic for my taste, so not the first one

>>16647439
hod king is the 3rd book in the series btw

>>16647439
I'd wait until the 4th book is out before reading The Hod King. It's alright, but half the book is not centered around Senlin and it ends in a cliffhanger.

>>16641253
I really liked Liet's chapter in Dune.

>>16641496
>the end of Foundation and Empire?
Also this

>>16647488
I only ever read 16 Ways and although the mc was pretty cynical I would say it was misanthropic.
>>16647531
>>16647556
I was thinking this as well, hopefully book four comes out early next year.

>>16647571
*wouldn't

What's the name of this writer who talks shit about other writers and about the singularity and has a yugoslav wife. Can't remember his name.

>>16647571
>>16647578
How not? He really has nothing good to say about humanity. Every compliment is backhanded, he waxes lyrical about the corruption of society and debased nature of humanity, he can't come up with any virtuous reason he might want to protect a city full of people from being genocided beyond whim, and the climax of the book is centered around the idea that no matter how hard you work to save society your plan will inevitably fail because people are bad. I enjoyed it most of the way through because there's a lot of common ground for humor between people who think humanity's flaws are entertaining foibles and those who think they're definitively fundamental, but by the end I think it's clear that he strongly dislikes all people, including himself.

It's crazy how scary bashrag are, considering they are basically just trolls or whatever, strong monsters, credit to bakker

>>16645356
on the surface it could seem that way since humans can become gods and shiet but not really since it's purely a matter of power and having worshippers, nothing to do with being englihtened and shiet

>>16645332
the twilight books were realy long and there were 3 of them

>>16644866
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/

how's your week gone /sffg/? I've been trying to come up with a sequel to my novel and it's making me go insane

>>16645332
4 of the Harry Potter books are over 500 pages

>>16648083
I just think of coom characters.

I love kino like this.

just finished name of the wind two. honestly I'm pretty sure the show is not gonna be good. no way they're going to make it live up to the setting I have in mind

>>16648205
also I'm taking read suggestions if anyone knows of other worlds with nice magic system. some magic that is related to technology would be perfect

>>16648216
>magic
>system

so science?

>>16648240
I'm not in the mood for that rn

>>16648205
what show?
there's no way no one's making a show from Rothfuss' writing given that he writes even more slowly than GRRM

>>16648035
How horrific fleshcrafting can be is severely underutilized

patrick rothfuss is finishing his final book finally

>>16648463
source

>>16648476
i'd rather go to gaol than give up my sources

>>16648216
Cradle

>>16648476
His mothers ass.

>>16648463
dude trust me

>>16644929
Leviathan trilogy, Runaway Prince meets Glaswegian Mulan, it’s pretty Based with some fantastic artwork in them

Bros, I'm so hyped for Rythm of war

>>16649040
I'm probably gonna read it too even though I hated the third book
must be stockholm

>>16649040
So good it's already one of the highest rated books on goodreads despite being a month away from release. Wow.

>>16639607
>You can't actually fuck a spider
Don't you ever say that. Don't ever say that, man.

>>16641253
Eowyn confronting the witch king

>>16641253
Final act of Children of Time. The brief war and its result is mindblowing and heartwarming at the same time.

>>16638719
Its still an ad hominem, it cuts both ways.

>>16641253
Severian on the beach. Ghola's Hymn in Messiah. Fahrenheit 451, when he realizes his wife doesn't even remember where and when they met. House on the Borderland when you realize the journal is about the dude's dead lover and he was there to face his madness after the loss . Father Francis' death in Canticle.

>>16643433
Transgender issues don't exist in fantasy because it would come down to changing your gender with magic. At that point you aren't transgender, you're actually the opposite gender.

>>16649668
What makes you think every fantasy story has gender changing magic?

>>16649672
I guess it doesn't have to involve magic, but every example I can think of involves some form of magic like a soul being put in another body, or a potion or something. I was just taking a wild guess that if a plot point in a fantasy setting is a character changing gender, it probably involves magic. It could involve any number of other things like drag or whatever the author wants. You know a lot of fantasy books with transgender themes?

>>16649668
>>16649672
>>16649702
don't bring this nonsense to /lit/


>>>/lgbt/

>>16649731
body augmentation is absolutely a part of sff. fuck off

>>16649702
well you could easily be transgender without the availability or the desire to transition

>>16649069
Advanced review copy = ARC

>>16648322
I think there's gonna be a Netflix show that takes place in the same setting, but it won't be about Kvothe

>>16648539
thanks, will give it a try

>>16637125
Conan

Doesn't get much more lightweight than that.

https://www.sffworld.com/2000/06/why-fantasy-and-why-now/?

has anyone been able to refute this?

>>16650323
>Bakker
IS THAT... SELF-REFLECTION?
AHHHHHH OH FUCK I’M GOING INSANE AHHH INTOSPECTION EVERYWHERE OH MY GOD!

>>16650323
Okay Bakker, if you are so smart
Why do you make such a big deal out of fantasy settings being pre industry/enlightenment
when there are, to me, no great distinction to what I gain from reading SciFi or more "classic fantasy"
the former are clearly not set in a pre-enlightenment epoch, and still hit all the same spots

>>16643433
Well of Souls, book 1

>>16650428
Because what we no longer are, and what we will never be hits the same notes in your imagination.

>>16650323
Yawn. It's not escapism. I just like well told stories and well realized settings regardless of genre. Is writing dumb shit like the fate of every pseudo-intellectual?

>>16637125
Farseer is pretty average overall. Good and bad parts. Liveships is pretty good though.

>>16638986
People hate but I think it's absolutely fine.

>>16644671
When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east and mountains tumble in the wind like leafs.

>>16639011
a diarrhealet wrote this post

>>16644533
This. No eye strain whatsoever. I've probably spent 3 or 4 hours reading on my PC every single day since the pandemic started. I also spend about 30 minutes in bed reading on my OLED phone before getting up or going to sleep.

I don't travel enough to get a kindle, and I doubt the image quality would be any better than a high resolution OLED display. I'd never go back to reading physical though. The eye strain is unreal.

>>16643433
Be trans and explore your anxieties. If you're not, don't, it's like male writers writing about female drama aka awfully cringe

>>16651373
I like to write my male characters like generic male authors perceive female characters.

>>16647588
Wizards first rule guy?

>>16651492
Nope. Just googled and he's not the one I'm looking for.

Is The Fall of Hyperion worth reading?

>>16651505
was Hyperion?

>>16651518
On balance yes. It's essentially a collection of short stories, of which one is amazing, four are decent to good, and one is bad.

>H.P Lovecraft: The Complete Fiction on amazon
>first review is a native english speaker giving it 1 star because he can't read "old timey english"

>>16651505
No. But if you're a plot fag you'll at least want to know how things end for those characters, since the 4 book series it's a 2 part duology, I guess.

>>16651637
>be normie
>hear lovecraft is spooky and i like horror movies
>what is this i cant read it
>its not like my harry potters and eragon nononononono

>>16651637
The fuck? Its not even that "old timey" it should not give anyone trouble reading it.

>>16651569
Which one is bad, the bard's or the detective's?
>>16651637
I hate these retards the most. Same idiots who rate Things Fall Apart and Masters of Rom poorly because they're too stupid to put letters together into sounds.

>>16652487
The detective's.

>>16652525
Yah, makes sense. Which is amazing to you, the priest's or the colonel's?

>>16652819
Priest's.

>>16651505
No. It shits on everything that was good in Hyperion.

>>16651505
absolutely

>>16641253
Severian desperately defending the guild's actions to Dorcas in Thrax always made me feel emotional.

I made a new thread

>>16653755
>>16653755
>>16653755
>>16653755

>>16653758
It's not even to the bump limit yet. This thread is going to be around for potentially quite a while longer. Possibly up to 12 hours more.

>>16653788
Let him be comfy.

>>16653791
he is a fucking dumb, dude
a dumb

>>16653791
Comfiness is overrated.

The thread continues on despite being abadoned.

Just recently picked up a first edition of pic related, gonna make a fire and read it tonight.

is NK Jemisin SJW or are her books worth reading?

>>16656916
Yes to both.