/lit/ - Literature

>>16636902
Enlightenment political philosophy

Marxism. Mostly because I really regret having actually wasted my time reading Manifesto and Capital.

>>16636902
Literary theory

>>16636902
Human rights
International law

>>16636902
Philosophy. All non-fiction.

>>16636902
Paleoconservatism is pure fantasy.

>>16636926
Might as well just say national security law

>>16636902
Liberal Christianity

>>16636902
Philosophy.

>>16636902
Fascism.
Alt-right “theory”
Schmitt
Dark enlightenment
Inter alia
If you like any of this shit, you’re genuinely retarded.

>>16636923
You didn’t read Capital, anon, it’s not polemical.

>>16636902
rationalism

>>16637005
Based.

>>16637044
t. Commie

>>16637082
You didn't understand capital, if you think it's not polemical

>>16637044
>turns around and reads lenin

>>16637044
Dark enlightenment is fun when it's by Nick land but otherwise it's a waste of time.

https://youtu.be/gFxu3Q71NvE

racial theory

>>16636923
This, Freudianism, and 19th century German (AKA Jewish) art critique. 19th century German (AKA Jewish) thought as a whole really. I can't take it seriously, it's completely farcical.
>OY VEY GOY you don't ACTUALLY like that painting, you don't REALLY think it's pretty, you can only enjoy art if a secular rabbi gave it the six-pointed star of approval! Otherwise it's KITSCH!

anything that has come out of the humanities the last 30 years
gender theory
critical racial theory
etc

>>16637423
I had hoped against hope that at least on the literature board I could escape from the "YouTuber Criticizes Marvel and Star Wars" genre

>>16636902
Any "theoretical" interpretation of an author using a theory that wasn't in existence until after the author's death. A feminist, Marxist, Freudian, or Queer interpretation of Milton, just about those theories.

Secular humanism
Anything "self-actualisation"

>>16636902
neoclassical economics and analytic moral philosophy

>>16637044
>Schmitt
One of these is not like the others.

>>16636902
Fascism. "Scientific Racism". Anti-semitic conspiracies.

>>16636902
post modernism (for the most part, there's some ideas that are interesting)

>>16636902
dystopia
authoritarianism/"totalitarianism"

>>16636902
Anything written by marxist-leninists

Critical """"""""""theory"""""""""""

>>16636902
Anything pre-modern that was written by an Anglo

>>16636902
>albergenisanists and all modern forms of catherism
>"spatial theory"
>non axial supra symmetry
>post modern "ironic" use of classical elements 'new classicalism '
>anti micro picturesque
>maximalism = tiled minimalism
>neoplasticism

>>16636902
Social science from the period 1945-1980
Analytic philosophy
Frankfurt School, Adorno especially noxious
Any mention of "algorithms" etc by innumerate humanities fags

Freud's works

>>16636909
holy shit fpbp why it is always this way
>>16637433
back to your containment board schizo

What a shit thread.

>>16636902
All sophistry, that guises itself as philosophy (post modernism for example).

>>16636902
Every topic is nonsense except Kafka. Kafka is sense

>>16636902
Fascism when it’s glorified by right-wingers instead of being analyzed

>>16636902
>Friends, Roman, Countrymen, lend me your ears.

My ears are attached and I need them. Get your own fucking ears! Fucking Shakespeare.

>>16636923
you're a frogposter. underage. stop pretending to have read capital.

>>16636902
>subjectivity and moral relativism
been btfo many times
>determinism
basically a meme at this point, been btfo beyond recovery
>atheism
nothing against atheism but most atheist authors have no concept of theology or philosophy and just spew the same DUDE SCIENCE LMAO spiel that makes every intelligent person including other atheists roll their eyes
>literally anything that amounts to whining about white people or imperialism or something

>>16636902
Mystic racism, race souls etc. ‘The great gaels of Ireland are the men god made mad/for all their wars are merry/ and all their songs are sad’

>>16637433
What the fuck are you talking about

>>16638122
>>16637044
>>16639705
>>16639748
>>>/pol/

>>16636923
Imagine reading capital for any reason unless you’re an academic writing about it or something. You really read that whole ass thing just to be able to smugly post how you didn’t like it?

>>16639740
>>determinism
>basically a meme at this point, been btfo beyond recovery
If free will was true, your actions wouldn't be determined by anything. So, everything you'd do would be completely random and unpredictable, which simply isn't the case. Free will = refuted.

>>16636902
The dictionary

>>16639827
free will simply a property of the will to be efficient without any alien causes. freedom of the will merely states that the will can determine itself

>>16636909
>>16636926
These.

>>16639856
Is the will not determined by current stimuli, experiences, and instincts?
Also, you haven't answered how the will can "determine itself" without being completely random.

>>16639888
>Is the will not determined by current stimuli, experiences, and instincts?
it is influenced by them, not determined
>>16639888
for all practical purposes it can determine itself by virtue of being rational

>>16639895
>it is influenced by them
To what degree?
>for all practical purposes it can determine itself by virtue of being rational
Elaborate, please.

>German idealism
>"Sincerity"

>>16636902
Any greek shit that tries to explain reality, I get they were trapped in their own times but the mere fact that people today keep believing some of that stuff is laughable

>>16639708
You're just lending them anon, he's a friend.

Structuralism and post structuralism especially, but also any of their offshoots, including critical theory. No, normal people don't think about their thinking being an interpretation or a metanarratives. And pretending these metanarratives have any effect on societal structures, especially non modernized societies, is laughable.

>>16636902
Brown skinned alt people getting theirs back from the Man.

>>16636902
psychology especially evo psych
IQ and psychometrics
behavioral genetics and heritability studies
psychoanalysis

>>16636902
Any self-help book or miraculous "this will change your life" book that's shorter than 300 pages.

>>16636902
>fuck off I don't believe in any of that made up nonsense
What kind of response is this? Fiction? FAKE

>>16636902
Literature written beyond 500 ad

>>16636902
>Esoteric Hitlerism
>Judith Butler

Object oriented ontology

All metaphysics.

>>16636902
Philosophy.

Psychoanalysis
Semiotics
Structural Linguistics
You might was well be unsung alchemy and geocentricism.

>>16639986
r e t a r d a l e r t

>>16639962
incredibly and pathetically deep in the they

>>16640242
It is impossible to reject all metaphysics.

>>16640515
found the F*ucault poster. Go ahead and tell me how society is derivative of its insane and imprisoned, I'll wait

>>16636902
human rights

materialism

>>16639759
During the 19th century Jews in Germany hit this point where they've amassed enough internal networks that they can live comfortably as an economic substratum that does a lot of financial and mercantile work that the Germans don't want to do. Tax collecting is a good example of this. They'd had a few centuries of fleshing out a Haskalah (essentially the Jewish equivalent of The Enlightenment) induced Liberal tradition, as opposed to the more conservative Orthodox tradition. In short, they lose the trappings of the Shtetl trotting Yid who goes around selling stolen children's shoes from a stroller and instead adopt themselves as a sort of educated separate class.

The problem is, they're stuck there. They literally cannot go any higher. Any further advancement would require converting to Lutheranism (The Catholics at this time form something akin to what the Jews are doing at this time). But if they do that, they lose access to the nepotistic Jewish group networks that are, y'know, the entire reason they can do this at all. So, they do the same thing that Protestants do in France due to a quirk of the revoking of the Edict of Nantes (tl;dr atheists are second class citizens, Protestants are actively eradicated).

This creates a period by which this new cadre of Jews does two things: first, they HEAVILY criticize Orthodox and Liberal Jewish society in order to get it to transcend its current state and lead it to a higher form. The Orthodox are holding the Liberals back, and the Liberals are holding the atheists back. Secondly, in order to gain further power in gentile society, they embark on a process of creating the educated secular "critical class". This is where Kitsch comes in, as it's a very blunt attempt at shoehorning a totally new phenomena (the value of art deriving from what is essentially a Rabbi's approval, rather than the actual tastes of the person who owns or is buying the work). The West as a whole still hasn't gotten over this idea. This phenomena being in place is why the CIA is able to do the whole "Modern Art as a tool of fighting Nazism and Stalinism" thing, but isn't part of some grand scheme. "PoMo" and "Cultural Marxism", similarly, derive from this class, but again are only taking advantage of an existing structure.

Freud and Marx are just doing "kitsch", but for psychology and economics: trying to insert the Jewish people into a European intellectual system that has no need, place, or even want for them.

>>16640668
Wow it’s fucking wild how Jews just live in your skull. Anne Frank is hiding in your subconscious isn’t she!

>>16636902

god.

>>16640537
>he doesn't know

>>16640668
Wow, it's like you were really there.
>>16636902
>self-help books
>anarcho-capitalism
>"my amazing life as a limbless man on a skateboard" inspo-porn
>Khaled Hosseni
>diets and lifestyles
>anything by someone who was on fox news or advertises having been on another major cable news network
>feel-good liberalism diversity tales
>books by youtubers

>>16636902
intersectionality and critical theory

>>16640733
I was. Reincarnation.

>>16640705
lol retard.

>>16640739
No, fuck you. You think you can say that racist shit and get away with it?

>>16640736
What is critical theory and why is it bad? In your own words

>>16640753
Yes. What're you going to do, kill me? I'll just reincarnate.

>>16636902
transubstantiation

>>16640756
i don't believe in any of that made up nonsense

>>16640668
Good post other than the fact that you definitely haven't read Marx because if you did you'd know his view on Jews is nothing like you imply. Actually, what the hell does "trying to insert the Jewish people into a European intellectual system that has no need, place, or even want for them" even mean? Both Freud and Marx were Atheists, and their theories both view all religion as inconsequential, and barely touch on Judaism in particular. I don't know about Freud, but the few times Marx mentions Judaism he generally doesn't have the nicest things to say about it anyway.

>>16640771
So you don’t know what it is? Cool.

>>16640756
>this is complex stuff not easily distillable from wikipedia, browsing /lit/ for a year, or a basic undergraduate education
>you guys arent geniuses like me
>Claude Levi-Strauss, Foucault, Adorno and the Frankfurt school are mine and only mine to understand

What a smug faggot

in a letter to his friend pastor pfister, freud literally confessed that being jewish is more or less a prerequisite to fully understand psychoanalysis. read "psychoanalysis and faith".

>>16640772
didn't marx even equate judaism to capitalism? I remember him writing in a letter that to abolish capitalism is to abolish judaism, and to abolish judaism is to abolish capitalism.

>>16640810
Cool, and Heidegger said Husserl was incapable of truly great thoughts because of his Judaism. Question is, who gives a fuck what those two had to say about Jews?

>>16640828
obviously you do

>>16640811
No

>>16636902
Materialism
Dialectics
Man-as-ends moralism

>>16636902
Gnosticism

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it seems so esoteric and "out there"

>>16636926
>>16636923
These

>>16637444
Marvel and Star Wars fucking suck, though?
Did you come onto /lit/ to talk about comics??

>>16637044
What’s wrong with Schmitt?

>>16636923
>Marxism
Came here to say this.

>>16639962
What’s wrong with the Platonic Theory of Forms?

Anything about faggots. There's nothing tragic about normal people being disgusted by shit fetishists.

>>16640011
This this this

>>16640552
They’re trapped in a system just like us

>>16636902
Everything except mathematics is useless , made up and cringe

>>16638531
>Any mention of "algorithms" etc by innumerate humanities fags
Indeed. You can add any pseud-philosophy based on interpretation of currently used laws of physics. I'm talking about "quantum physics proves/disproves [thing unrelated to empirical physics]".
Usually by non-physicsists or second rate ones. Schrodinger, De Broglie or Bohr mocked those morons.

>>16642731
Based

>>16642731
Are you me?

>>16642731
based

>>16642731
math is a human invention as well

>>16637190
>anyone who doesn't believe what I believe is a commie!!!

Consider suicide, clean up the gene pool a bit.

>>16640764
You'll reincarnate as a baby seal and get instantly rekt by drunkin fishermen.

>>16642148
Gnosticism is just a catch all term though right?

>>16636902
Theosophy, anachronistic traditionalism, "anthroposophy" and other bullshit like this.

>>16636902
Racism. Everytime it's tackled it comes off as unbelievably cringy.

>>16636902
Psychoanalysis

>>16640020
What's wrong with evo psych?

>>16643708
3:4:5 right triangle proves you wrong

>>16636909
lmao fpbp

>>16636902
Praxeology

>>16642197
Plato wasn't aware that "ideas" are interlinked to evolutionary mechanisms inside our brains thus "ideas" are human abstract concepts wich means that if something outside our brains really exists it is independent from our own human perspective and vision.

>>16640483
What's wrong with them?

>>16639909

Never responded

>>16645952
In English doc?

>>16640753
wrong website

>>16648411
Basic rundown:
Pattern in brain, not in world.
Grug think many chairs is chair because grug see pattern, not because many chairs is actually chair in life

>>16636902
religion

>>16645952
I don't think that really matters, "evolutionary mechanisms" is just a roundabout and maybe slightly extended way of talking about our selves. >>16648913
And whose to say that chair is not a manifestation of a deeper necessary object? Maybe we draw the boundary of the category based on our experience, but what if all intelligent lifeforms eventually develop "object to rest on"? Why can't the fact that the concept comes from grug's pattern perception be part of the higher truth?

>>16642731
Based. Anything not provable within ZFC+ goes straight in the trash.

>>16636902
a woman finding love

>>16644120
This but race denialist arguments. Anything along the lines of “race is a social construct” in your book and I can already tell that what proceeds is the product of an over-socialized, diseased mind.

>>16645952
if the outside is independent from our perspective, why are you so sure about evolution, as a concept that apparently preceded our brains, by looking at birds?

>>16648973
Because there’s no need to suppose it does. It’s an unprovable claim. If there were no higher truth, then grugs pattern recognition would be all there is, and it would work equally. You can sit there and suppose that there is a deeper object there for some reason, but there’s no particular reason to base a Theory (Forms) upon this maybe. You know, like if I start going on about the “Racial Soul” and how the eternal conflict between the French and the Germans is a product of it. You can reasonably reply “the French and Germans are an ethnicity, defined by genes, and their conflict is defined by history, your theory is superfluous, and frankly a bit looney”. The Theory of Forms is similarly based on an unscientific conception of the problem of Universals, which there is no good reason to entertain seriously.

>>16649027
>Anything not provable within ZFC+
You mean like ZFC+ itself?

>>16645952
Wow typical cogsci brainlet

>>16636902
anything about racism

>>16636923
If you actually read Capital, you wouldn't mention it in the same sentence as the Manifesto as if they were equivalent

>>16637044
Agreed on all of this except Schmitt. He's one of the best political theorists of all time.

>>16649159
absolutely BTFO

>>16636902
Conservatism/traditionalism especially of the Ted sort, and sometimes communism; everything else I can see at least an argument for.

>>16652183
Retard

>>16650873
Don’t bother with trolls. S: U&S. Contribution to a critique. Etc. most important: praxis introspection in ones own wage labours.