/lit/ - Literature

Only after we get rid of capitalism, nepotism, tribalism, favoritism, etc.

>>16617376
basically get rid of humans

No stop living in the past

>>16617376
but we had literature during all that

>>16617376
The "capitalism is the cause" people are retarded. There was art of substance throughout all of capitalism. There is a much better case to be made that the internet is the cause.

>>16617460
pleb

>>16617474
I discovered the cause yesterday but I forgot

>>16617376
If we can somehow keep elitism than maybe.

>>16617474
Internet has democratized art. Everyone with a computer and an internet connection can download programs to draw or make music and share it on multiple platforms.
Capitalism makes it so the only incentive to produce art is to make money with it. If it doesn't appeal to as wide an audience as possible to maximize profits it probably wont get made

>>16617474
The commercialization of art, and the democratization of taste, have ruined everything.

>Art hasnt always been commercialized

ohnononononono

>>16617504
>>16617516
nope

>>16617474
yep. too fast for anything to grow organically, too decentralised and virtual for anything to take hold the way things would in a proverbial paris cafe of the last century.

>>16617522
>he thinks patronage and commissions of religious works were "commercialized"

>>16617504
>Internet has democratized art. Everyone with a computer and an internet connection can download programs to draw or make music and share it on multiple platforms.
Yet the art now is terrible and there is no movement or art scenes anywhere in the world.
>Capitalism makes it so the only incentive to produce art is to make money with it.
You know artists in the past lived under capitalism right?

>>16617531
>he thinks they weren't

>>16617288
>Cafe Wha
>Fugs
>Cock & Bull

I see Americans have always been fucked in the head

Does anyone actually believe the age of internet art will be sifted through and produce the "Greats" we revere now?

>>16617605
Internet art hasn't yet begun

>>16617605
That's only said by retards who don't know anything. People who are actually interested in art have seen basically everything that exists.

>>16617393
The anglosphere

>>16617618
My Flickr account disagrees.

>>16617591
Have we ever denied it?

>>16617288
Of course. Its rise and fall turn with the Wheel.

>>16617376
A pretty creative way of saying jews.

>>16617504
So you want the government to sponsor your art? In what way is that better?

>>16618174
Again, no. The Anglosphere.

>>16618267
Delusional.

>>16617626
lol

>>16617376
>Only after we get rid of capitalism, nepotism, tribalism, favoritism, etc.
OR you could learn how to make good art instead
How fucking complicated does making good art have to be so that you'd rather take on the herculean task of restructuring the entirety of society

>>16619141
Also I'll get my head lobbed off for saying this but capitalism is an ambivalent phenomenon and the moral worth of money is ENTIRELY dependent on the moral integrity of a people.
>muh systemic issues
>muh degeneracy
I don't care what moral camp you fall into - matriarchal or patriarchal, orgiastic or ascetic - this holds true everywhere and is proven simply by the fact there's contention about what the problem with the west is. Everyone agrees it's quite shit and morally flawed in some integral manner but the nature of this morality is dependent. The wise man's assessment of society currently is valuelessness until the scales shift.

>>16617288
people read more than ever before
people are more interested in art than ever before. example, galleries regularly post record numbers of visitors (more than can be explained by the increase in population).
the renaissance is already happening. maybe you are thinking about the specific type of art that you are interested in? no sorry that's probably not coming back.

bump

It did

It was called modernism

>>16619141
It's the same with fatties and fat acceptance. They're fucking insane.

bUmP. Also, rolling.

>>16617504
>If it doesn't appeal to as wide an audience as possible to maximize profits it probably wont get made
i can tell you didn't make art ever in your life

>>16617460
no

cafe WAP

>>16619179
YA trash is popular yes

>>16617393
it's not inherent of human nature. humanism was a product of greek thought. empathy wasn't that widespread in other cultures until homer and plato. we can change if we really are willing to, but until you hold on to that spook that is "MUH HUMAN NATURE" then we will really never get anywhere and you will be stuck at this pit of nihilism

>>16617288
Literature will be completely extinct outside of academic faggotry by the end of this century at the absolute latest.