/lit/ - Literature

>>16608839
Well according to this board, the feelings inside that you describe are the symptoms of a reactionary and authoritarian personality type, which makes you fair game for hunting season. Go to church and hide under a pew.

>>16608839
Sorry, I forgot to ask a concrete question. Is there a name for this or some kind of hook upon which I can catch myself so as to not feel like I'm losing my damn mind? Is it just simply an appreciation for old things? I just feel like I have this spiritual longing more than most people. Maybe anyone save genuine sculptors and classical/Romantic artists and the like. It's a source of deep consternation to look at this image and then think of modern youth culture. I once came back from a museum trip and passed a horrible building used to make Monster energy drinks. It was crushing.

>>16608848
Reactionary and authoritarian? This couldn't be further from the truth though. I'm also not on the Right. Sure, I can see why you'd say that, but I'm talking about these images devoid of political and religious meaning. I just love the way they look. They instill a sense of wonder in me that's genuinely profound. Importantly, it's not even that I want to return to a harsh theocractic monarchy; I love ruins and signs of decay. I mean all aspects of old imagery.

It's quite distressing at times as I seem to have the perfect basis for a religious appreciation for sacred imagery, but I'm not religious at all and was not brought up in a religious household.

>>16608868
You might think you are not reactionary, but the fact that you have these feelings tell us otherwise. Something is wrong. You need to go to a shrink and get brain pills, you need to go to therapy and you need to publically confess that you are an internalized fascist. Nothing less will suffice.

>>16608918
Exactly. And religion is reactionary fascism, except islam which is good and totally compatible with progressivism feminism.

>>16608956
I was trying to have an adult conversation. Never mind. Okay, bye.

>>16608971
I can't believe you didn't pick that up at the start. It seems to be melancholy but in the vein of impatient futurism.

>>16608971
Stepping away like a GROWN UP 4chin boi, nice one anon

>>16608839
it sounds like your concerned with mortality imo which is a religious thing

>>16608981
>impatient futurism.
explain made up term

>>16609002
It's like some early 2010's crap that had columns etc and it's basically ppl who want the future to happen now, like ai, space travel etc, and they lament that they won't be alive to experience it. Pretty good summation. It's sorta akin to the "feeling left out" crap that psychologists prescribe kids who don't want to get off the internet.

Let me try one more time. I love these works not because of the ideologies behind them or any kind of political message. I just think they look incredibly powerful, majestic, melancholy, skilful or any or all of the above. I think my depression stems from the fact that it's either this or the modern world. I would much much rather dwell on these than modern flats and pieces by tracy emin or jeff koons. But it's not even that. I think I just can't believe we live in a world that doesn't bat an eyelid that there can be buildings, for example, dedicated to producing disgusting energy drinks. Think of that in the the middle ages or the classical period. It's so specific and ugly. In no way is that good or valuable.

>>16609016
Gtfo this board w ur bitch reddit ass. You can't engage well enough to get more out of it then you're just masturbating to your ego. That and you fell for obvious b8. Gtfoh

>>16609024
Okay. I will. That was my last genuine post and the response involved "ur bitch reddit ass", "masturbating to your ego", "b8", "gtfoh".

>>16609016
>I think my depression stems from the fact that it's either this or the modern world.
>my sense of nostalgia does not have political, religious and/or other practical consequences

sounds like indecisiveness, desu. And >>16608848 is kind of right insofar as this type of sentiment IS actually seen as “problematic” by many.

>>16608848
This.

>>16609034
The indecisiveness is the point of the thread, I suppose. I can't explain it well enough. All I can say is I actually don't give a shit about politics or religion. I just love these images and feel like I would rather live in the world in which they were the norm so I could simply be surrounded by them more. That's as simple as it is for me. I'm not an angry alt right or reactionary person... I just value such images more than most visual things in the world today. I mean, isn't it pretty normal to appreciate Classical statues and the like? I don't think anyone here is denying that good art is good art, right?

>>16609028
Lmfao, you're a consequentualist bitch w a little baby ego. In that post you just replied to I gave you more advice than you'll ever get from anyone anywhere. Gtfoh

Furthermore, I like artists such as Alan Lee. This is a quiet man who loves nature and draws images that are very close to my own aesthetic preference. He's also fairly liberal as far as I'm aware. So, again, very little about this is actually dwelling on supporting the monarchy or anything like that.

>>16609075
Oh, dear lord, what else do you like? I'm but a humble parishioner at your presentation of yourself

>>16609079
Not sure why you're trying to turn my posts into ego enlargement … I'm genuinely just trying to add context and to show that not all people who like these things are far right reactionaries or whatever words you want to use. This is like talking to children. Is there anyone normal here?

>>16609097
No we're all trolls. You're just some privileged ass bitch. It's on YOU to make a good conversation and belting out replies about yourself and not engaging fully w replies outside some ego masturbation shows you don't want a reply except that conforms to ur creepy ego masturbation. You're not old enough to know what I'm saying. I don't want to teach you, you will get trolled writing this shit, just go to reddit.

>>16609119
How am I not engaging? People say I'm Right and reactionary. I explain that I'm not. People say I'm indecisive. I explain that I am and then I go into it further. I then go on to give an example of someone that isn't right or reactionary and who also shares my preference for ancient statues and beautiful austere imagery. I'm then told I'm stroking my ego.

Bye.

Read Yeats

>>16609128
Goodbye gtfoh
>I'm not politics, let me spew shit out about how I'm not politics
Get ur privileged young ass out of here

>>16609058
Wishing to remain indecisive and keep your private ‘interests and appreciations’ is where it tends towards infantilism, IMO. It’s very normal, though, especially when you are young.

I am not suggesting that you are ‘angry alt right’ or that those stereotypes are the necessary consequences of you taking yourself a bit more seriously and asking yourself new questions at all, but I used to be a college commie, went to the rallies and all that, and expressing sentiments similar to the ones you’ve shared will definetely make you ‘problematic’ in certain people’s eyes, they will lump it in with ‘latent alt right tendencies’. For me personally, heavy shit happened in life, death and all that, and I realized life was too short and went in my own direction. I lost most of my old leftist ‘comrades’ in that process.

I think >>16608999 is right in his assesment of your feelings and I think you need to find out what that means for you and what consequences it will have for you in your life. Godspeed on the depression, life gets better.

>>16609128
It's been trolls who called you that you stupid stupid moron

>>16609135
Who said I wanted to remain indecisive?
Jesus Christ, the reading compression is abysmal on this forum. I only confirmed that I am indecisive--indecisive in my words, i.e. I can't explain my feelings properly.

Okay, from reading the rest of your comments, I can see you and other people here genuinely can't think without framing everything in politics. I don't give a shit about your days as a commie in college. I've maintained that I don't care about politics. That's all I can say. I started this damn thread because I was trying to express how much I love the imagery for the imagery's sake. Nah, fuck it, I give up.

>>16609153
Good get, you won't get anything out of this board

>>16609153
>I started this damn thread because I was trying to express how much I love the imagery for the imagery's sake
No one cares about your fucking diary, soia.

>>16608839
what exactly do you want op? people to lick your ass and call you a smart, aesthetic boy?

>>16609170
I know. But what I was actually trying to do is to start a conversation about imagery and artistic expression. Something spiritual. I came to this board because I knew you guys are probably the most intellectual in this degenerate forum. Instead just trolling and juvenile responses for the most part.

>>16609178
Again with the ego shit. It's all being put on me out of nowhere. Hostile people seeing something that isn't there. Read my actual intention here:
>>16609179

>>16609179
>>16609181
Just lurk and you'll find out what to respond to and how to respond to get your point across.

Ozymandias by Shelley (which you'll probably know already if you're an anglo) and Hölderlin's poetry (if you can read German).

>>16609199
The former is one of my favourite poems; memorised it. I'll look into the latter. Thank you.

>>16609153
>Okay, from reading the rest of your comments, I can see you and other people here genuinely can't think without framing everything in politics
the troll comments literally mocked people who frame everything in terms if politics and >>16609135 was explaining it to your dense ass, lmfao.

>Jesus Christ, the reading compression is abysmal on this forum.
Yes, read better.

>>16609179
>I know. But what I was actually trying to do is to start a conversation about imagery and artistic expression.
Then frame an actual interesting question instead of three diary posts about how u like old stuff and ‘lol wat would u guys call me, just so i know how to classify my special ass’

>>16609215
How do you live constantly seeing the negative in everything and putting words in people's mouths? "What would you guys call me?" Yes, because this is what I said. Oh, yes...

>>16609223
lurk more, plebbit

>>16609097
>Is there anyone normal here?
No not really, since phoneposting blew up and the post-election influx of new users who disrespect the point of the platform, you can't really find any quality content anywhere on here anymore. It's really quite distressing that the current meta is to meme arrow what someone just said to you and say it back to them with a soijack or the like, in infantile imitation. Meaningful discussion is more scarce than ever and nowadays 4chan seems to be relegated to people practicing their shitposts to see what most effectively farms (You)s because the gratification of those three letters is unparalleled by anything else for a lot of people, for some reason.

I really just advise lurking. It's not worth it to effort-post in a completely ironic social setting.

>>16608839
>>16608850
Took me a while to discover this for myself, but you're probably a cultural conservative and perhaps also a romatic (in the philisophical and aesthetic sense of course). Look up Roger Scruton's documentary on Beauty. You're not crazy. Though perhaps the depression is compounded or vice versa. Don't take the comments here too close to heart - they are a filter mechanism for lazy normies. We live in ephemeral times, but, as always, the turntables. Be glad it is here and has been preserved for you.

>>16609247
Thanks. Will keep in mind. The funny part, which you won't believe, is that I've been on 4chan since 2007 or 2008. But obviously I can't prove that. The chat was just moulded against me so that I sounded new. Not that it matters.

>>16609262
Oh, thanks. Actually, I've heard of Scruton before and I agree with his views on beauty. I think I've even seen that documentary. I'd definitely say I have Romantic leanings. Cheers.

>>16609264
I have been too. I've witnessed the decline. But banking on anonymity in posting for the people to address the argument rather than the person or their perceived identity, has completely gone to waste, and now there's not really anywhere else to go since social media centralization has become a thing. It's painful but we grin and bear it for the minute flashes of meaningful discussion that still can be had here, in spite of how few and far between it's become.

>>16608839
Read Love's Labour's Lost

>>16609270
Maybe read his book on beauty. "How to be a conservative" has opened my eyes to values which I hadn't fully recognised in myself because our culture so rarely expresses them. Your questions and confusion seem partially political - almost everything is, and society tends to create distress for those who are outliers and cannot articulate themselves or see where they stand. At the end of the day, love of the deep past and ancient things is actually bourne of sense of duty towards the deep future and the wisdom of conserving that which is good. Don't just admire old statues but recognise them as reminders for action in the present. This reduces anxiety of death because you have transcendent purpose. Anyway, enough of my rambling. All the best

>>16609325
This is the best post in the thread, that's all I can say. Thank you.

You know, I think it comes down to this. I have conservative values, but I don't agree with a lot of conservative stances. Especially not maintaining organised religion. It's like, where exactly is my place? That's why I dislike putting people in camps and categories. Surely one can be a conservative without being religious? Is that even a thing? It should be. Surely it should be the case that "the way things were" doesn't need to be upheld in its entirety? It's like taking a hammer to fix a tooth, isn't it? I suppose I would like to uphold some conservative values and traditions, but I certainly see flaws in others. And yet I'm sure a lot of people would say I'm not conservative at all and should fuck off. I don't know why it has to be binary.

>>16609350
It’s called being moderate and a real person. In reality, most people do not fit into binary categories of ‘ultratrad monarchic crusader’ or ‘genderfluid post-anarchic overthrower of western civilization’ but fall somewhere that is not even on a binary spectrum.

Internet and screens are making people think that the world is organized into this binary black and white thing, though. interesting times indeed, sir!

>>16609391
I think you're right. It's a sad state of affairs. In act, I know somehow who would probably stop speaking to me if I said I had some conservative leanings. It's tribal and very much "us versus them".

>>16609431
fact*