/lit/ - Literature

>>16605917
Yes

Yeah. It’s got an iceberg backdrop.

https://youtu.be/mW-ZbEHeICw

>>16605917
>no classical
dropped

>>16605971
Classical is pop

>>16605917
you could have picked a much better iceberg you know. it looks like it came from 2011
>experimental and avant-garde as genres
>kreatrock
>drone and dark ambient being so far down
>art pop on tier 4

just listen to popol vuh and 16 horsepower and you're good.

>>16605991
>still no classical

>>16605917
>not listening to all genres

>>16605917
learn to search for stuff

>>16606020
>learn to search for stuff
NO

>>16605917

>>16606006
>he doesn't know that most artists from degenerate and downwards make avant-garde forms of classical music, and a lot of those above have released classical music at one point
i bet you never even listened to lamonte young or penderecki or scriabin. go back to masturbating to shostakovich.

>>16606020
>that chart
Literally just ranking by popularity and difficulty rather than merit for the most part, with the most popularity taking precedence.

>>16605917
So where is classical music or any genre of music before the 20th century?

>>16605991
Farrah abraham lol

>>16606020
Tolkien should be at least level 2

>>16605991
Where is ween?

>>16605917
Worst version, literally zero investigation into genres

>>16605991
t. "music guy"

>>16605917
It's threads like these that perpetuate the moral and social degradation of 4chan users, the blind ideal of contrarianism. The 'No, I'm not like "I'm not like other girls", I'm actually not like other girls'. Inanely going for the obscure and the deliberately painful and upsetting, moving past even the excuse of ironically liking something. It's not as if people sit there whilst listening to Merzbow gently tapping their feet and humming along to the reverberating sounds of screaming, or smiling and flippantly laughing at Finnegan's Wake. The mediocre contrast to what is viewed as normative, archetypal of the 'normie', that is zealously followed, codified and ritualised on this site is only going to damage yourself and push you down further into opposing rabbit-holes. Once upon a time /lit/ was as much of a materialist and atheistic board to rival even the thickest of neckbeards, once DFW, Bloom, Adorno were revered and not memed beyond their death. Now the coin has flipped and you all flock to the new difference. You're all as much slaves to the whims of fashion and fads as any of your perceived 'normies', except that you worship the negative of it, the opposite of the popular and the more you can distance yourself from normativity the securer you feel as an outcast because 'bbbbbbut at least I like good music/literature/film/vidya/porn/politics' etc etc. It's all a fashion and a loose attempt to form some identity over what you consume. This doesn't apply to everyone here, the posters of this board are maybe even the least susceptible to these matters, but it will still apply to most of you. I pity you all, who have to line up all your yu-gi-oh cards of culture that you've amassed and digested, presenting your five shiny pieces of exodia to no one, because you're alone in the corner of the playground with no one who cares to see. I hope some of you can withdraw from this mindset. Except for you butterfly, because I know you never can, because you're retarded.

>>16606178
ween should be inbetween weird and creep, right next to zappa

Was thinking of making a conspiracy one for /lit/

>>16606178
Theyd be normal for songs like Ocean Man and weird for the rest of their discography

>>16606020
>stein and burroughs that low
plebeian

>>16606094
that's literally how these charts are meant to work

>>16606290
harsh noise wall is where it's at

>>16606235
extremely based social analysis

https://youtu.be/fSzOcvAJmi0

>>16605991
god bless zoomers, they could know 1000 groups but not a single on this chart and have no metric to hold them against

>>16606257
i love these ones, super fun to read

>>16605991
Why is aphex twin lower than swans

>>16606257

haha, this is funny. did you make this anon?

>>16606257
The lift to experience one got me good

>>16606020
camus should be a bit lower

>>16606302
I read this post and googled it and listened to The Rita and it scared me

>>16606257
If you do do it, you better go crazy with it.

>>16606235

have sex

>>16606451
listen to the C.C.C.C - Love & Noise instead

>>16606033
Only one that matters here

>>16606235
when are we going to witness the death of thé aesthete

https://youtu.be/dosquRXCNvQ

>>16606257
I think there is one but I cant find it

>>16606257
>>16606576
I'm dumb, its in this thread lol
>>16606033

>>16605917
>dark ambient
oh wow a buzzing sound for four hours, sure is spooky. I have heard Taylor Swift songs with more edge than the average dark ambient record

>>16606590
I'm sure we could add a few more.

>>16606033
That's the kind of savory bullshit I was hoping to see here

>>16606020
eco lower than dostoievsky, Cervantes and Tolstoy lmao

>>16606033
Some of these near the top are legit more off the wall than the ones at the bottom

>>16606033
>no Laiseca

>>16606033
>digital kenosha kid
fucking kek

>>16606033
>Steinbeck ghost wrote To Kill a Mockingbird
Kek

>>16605991
Don't know most of the bands below like "weird" on that chart, but based for the 16 horsepower rec.

>>16606453
>suicide trolls
I remember him under the bridge, bros. My emotions went from fear to sorrow to confusion. Not only were trolls sentient, but literate

>>16606235
You are correct.

>>16606235
imagine thinking that 4chan users had moral and social value that could be degraded, this is already rock bottom dude

>>16607548
there are forums on tor that make this place look like facebook

>>16607124
He did, that's why her only "other" novel is garbage.

>>16606571
jesus that sucked

>>16606453

>>16606235

>>16606235
Fucking based
>that last line
kek

>>16605917
Where does classical music and video game soundtrack fall in this?

>>16606050
>avant-garde
garbage

>>16606033
>Esoteric Stalinism
noice

>>16606235
possibly the most based post i've ever seen on 4chan

>>16606050
>referencing scrabin in this manor in an attempt to show off
I guess you might impress the people who dont listen to classical at all

>>16605991
>popol vuh
patrician

>>16605917
> art pop and shoegaze
> level 4
Wtf

>>16608795
both are on the first and last levels

>>16606235
based, honestly

>>16605991
The Dj Dubbi reference cracked me up, god I hate that shill

>>16606357
I'm not sure I understand. Swans aren't that good.

>>16606020
>Joyce twice
>Joyce the deepest depths of the iceberg.
Joyce is so incomprehensible, he has filtered every English professor I have ever met.

>>16605917
>Jazz
>level one
Shit chart

>>16606050

Hearing "Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima" one time doesn't count as listening to penderecki you poser

>>16606235
based, fuck tourists and memes

>>16606235
chart threads have been BTFO'd by this man

>>16605991
>Xiu Xiu lower than Captain beefheart
>Chopin that far down
>No Morton Feldman, Sun Ra, Supreme Dicks, Satie, or LMFAO
pleb

>>16609942
Gottem. Penderecki is still great thouhh

>>16606235
Absolutely based. Thank you.

>>16610106
it's not frédéric chopin you egg, it's another one. and morton feldman is right there. otherwise i agree.

>>16605988
Checked and based

>>16605917

>>16605917
philosophy version

>>16606235
Baste post. Deserves a screencap.

>>16605917
>>16605991
>>16609832
>no Bach both at the top and the very bottom
Cringe

>>16606235

>>16606033
i can't

>>16606020
>Delillo (late), Eco
>above level 0

>>16605917
shit i listen a lot a dark ambient

>>16606235
Is this the best post in the history of /lit?

is breakcore the final boss? everyone i share my favorite breakcores with thinks I'm a fucking lunatic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8MgsUJ_ZmE

>>16605917
shoe gaze is pretty accessible not sure I would say that's level 4

>>16611245
nah man, breakcore is fine. now flashcore/lolicore, that's a different beast

>>16607691
N'wah

Is this the ‘i am very smarty/very unique’ thread?

>>16605991
bro i listened to popol vuh age 17 on lastfm when u gonna drop scaruffi

>>16606235
It’s the super ego unabated, enabled even

>>16611269
lolicore is EDM-ified breakcore, can't stand much of it. goreshit's actual breakcore stuff like his semantics are pretty good though

>>16611002
very nice. did you make this yourself ?

My deepest on each:

>>16605917
>Dark Ambient
as if thats at all detached from social dogma lmao
>>16605991
>The Shaggs
>>16606020
>Joyce (middle era)
>>16606033
>Captain Ahab was a furry
that one's just so funny and could be weirdly interesting to dissect
>>16606257
>Loveless is a hip-hop album
>God spoke through Daniel Johnston
fun to think about even though they're not correct. also, what the fuck is "Exmilitary tortilla bowl" ?????
>>16611002
>anarcho-transhumanism
again interesting to read, but not totally persuasive

>>16611271
you eat dick nigga

My favorite one is the conspiracy theory one.

>>16606257
>William Basinksi did9/11 as a marketing stunt
>Hidden christian messages in black metal

I only listen to v/vm sick love and video game osts

>>16605917

>>16608888
A waste of quads

deepest each is a good idea, thanks anon

>>16605917
dark ambient (why is this the lowest lol)
>>16605991
deepest i've heard of? joseph beuys, deepest i actually listen to must be Sachiko M
>>16606020
perec
>>16606033
pynchon made this meme
>>16606257
god spoke through daniel johnston (unironically)
>>16611002
hauntology
>>16611843
anti-natalism (how is this a conspiracy?)

>>16605991
>no Rancid Shit Wank
wtf

>>16606257
> Basinski did 9/11 as a marketing stunt
Delillo did Covid as a marketing stunt

>>16606257
>It really is a potato
Top kek, I love /mu/ sometimes even though I haven't browsed it since 2013

>>16605917
>jazz
>level one
Whoever made this doesn't listen to music.

>>16611002
>i read some nietzsche
nobody does this
unless you're talking about random selected quotes lol

>>16606235
>pity you all, who have to line up all your yu-gi-oh cards of culture that you've amassed and digested, presenting your five shiny pieces of exodia to no one, because you're alone in the corner of the playground with no one who cares to see.

this is an allegory to rival Plato's.

How far does /lit/ go on the /film/ iceberg?

How far does /lit/ go on the SHAPES iceberg

>>16609082

>manor

>>16612784
why is naomi kawase so low ? her films aren't really obscure.

>>16612802
Why would you make this? I guess Parabola because y=x^2 is a simple equation and I can derive some facts about it like peojectile motion, and I know morew obscure info that I can't prove like the fact that every line coming at a horizontal angle get reflected on the focal point amd that's why antennas are parabloid.

Also the latter parts are just representations of some obscure form of Platonic solids, you can hear about it here

https://youtu.be/_hjRvZYkAgA

>>16612811
Ask the anon who made it.

>>16609832
that Babbitt album cover still fucking baffles me

>>16612784
Deepest level thing where I've watched something in full was a Parajanov.

>>16606006
>doesn't know iannis xenakis

>>16613100
What did you think of Pomgrenates?

>>16606033
>Aristotle invented by Aquinas
Didn’t St Augustine read Aristotle and become influenced by him?

>>16612784
Deepest is Terayama. Only watched Pastoral though.

>>16612784
kurt kren, peter kubelka

interesting chart but lots of shit picks, especially the first couple tiers need refinement.

>>16606235
Have sex, incel.

>>16614104

Then go suck his dick

>>16612784
where's LaBruce?

>>16606235
The most based post in all the land draws near...

>>16605917

Why do normies like such shitty music? Low IQ? Is it hylicism? What's the matter with normies and their music?

>>16612784
where's kubrick? Names are too close together, hard to read anything

>>16606386
I read him as an edgy high school freshman, hardly obscure.

>>16606235
cringe

>>16612802
the do not research shape. it goes crazy

>>16611002
What about "Ars Amatoria"? Is this chart referring about the book by Ovidius?

>>16606235
Überbased

Vapor

>>16615581
>neo gabber
does it really exists? sounds fun

>>16606386
pleb

>>16611363
The Loveless is a hip-hop album comes from Kevin Shield claiming he got the idea for the album when he heard dinosaur jr playing in one room and hip hop playing in the other or something like that. The drumming sounds kind of like hip hop on some of the tracks

>>16606033
>Tolstoy below Dosto

cringe

>>16612784
Lynch should be at least MUBI or lower

>>16606235
Is this pasta?

>>16615581
Have you listened to Keith Fullerton-Whitman's Greatest Hits?

>>16606235
>Once upon a time /lit/ was as much of a materialist and atheistic board
nice headcanon marxist-kun, old /lit/ was broadly apolitical with secular-spiritual undertones, floating somewhere between post-irony and new sincerity. you bugmen migrated here at the same time the right-wing tradfags did.

>>16612784
>no kitano
gay list

>>16606033
>Pynchon is a group of CIA writers
I think that could be true

>>16606020
>history has ended 3 different times
This is absoutely true though. We're about 4-10 years from it happening again.

>young people caring about social categories instead of doing what they like

It must suck to be young.

>>16616302
are you implying that this is a new phenomenon somehow? young people have always been and will always be defined in relation to social categories because they don't have any idea what "doing what they like" is supposed to mean

>>16615435
Refute it

>>16606235
Tried to respond in a way that wasn’t just ‘based’ but it seemed redundant, as you hit everything accurately

Well done

>>16615602
it does. check out gabber modus operandi for example.

>>16606235
>I pity you all, who have to line up all your yu-gi-oh cards of culture that you've amassed and digested, presenting your five shiny pieces of exodia to no one, because you're alone in the corner of the playground with no one who cares to see.
holy FUCK

>>16616312
No, it was a general notion. Being young sucks in general with only a few exceptions, those often will suffer more when they get older.

>>16606235
Cringe.

>>16606235
>text
YAAAAAAWWWN

>>16611843
>Human meat cheesesteaks
>Wiebo Ludwig was Second Coming
>Twitter radio broadcasts

>>16606020
>dostoevsky
>doesnt raise important questions

>>16616579
needed to read this anon, thanks. cant wait to get old and not care about all this useless shit anymore

>>16616972
You can start not caring right now

>>16617304
well, it's a very stupid question, but how ?

>>16616746
>on a literature board

>>16617488
Will it to happen. Also learn meditation
(To meditate start with not moving as much as possible, when you are able to not move for 15 minutes straight then you can go to breathing as deeply as comfortably possible, and do it until you can not move and breathe deeply for 30 minutes, at that point you can try to start to not-think)
((Not moving includes not swallowing saliva))

Alternatively you can just stop caring, but if you cannot figure out how just meditate and then try to be in that mindset for as much as you can

>>16606235
Basado

>>16616335
Cringe

>>16617488
It sounds stupid as heck, but for me the final breaking point of not caring about that useless stuff was having to deal with hard physical pain and organic problems. Once you notice that your own body is fragile and needs to be taken care of (not self-improvement and fit memes or anything along those lines) that gave me a mental and psychological freedom I never knew before. It not only made me not care about my social status, it made me finally appreciate life, I found a reason to live. I even got rid of my social anxiety which was with me my whole life.

>>16617488
You'd better figure it out quick else you're going to be angry when you realise that guy lied to you and being young was great.

>>16608888
based and checked

>>16606235
basiert

>>16606020
>DFW above Dostoevsky and Tolstoy

>>16618142
Yes.

t. read DFW but no Russians

>>16606235
unironically based, have sex, dilate, and /thread

>>16606235
>because you're alone in the corner of the playground with no one
So as an alternative to contrarianism you present social acceptance as the goal? Why should I care if I'm alone?
To everyone who replied "based" to this post how is it all interesting that someone would present conformity as an ideal in opposition to nonconformity?

>>16618251
he's talking about inauthenticity and masquerades, and clearly attacking those who present a façade to a crowd, be it an imaginary one or a real one, so his corner of the playground analogy is perfectly sensible.

>>16609832
>Mainstream appeal is almost non-existant

I'd say at nicole 12 level, there is zero mainstream appeal.

>>16611363
>Exmilitary tortilla bowl
Refers to a /mu/ poster turning their first press copy of the Exmilitary vinyl into a bowl. I think whoever rolled dubs got to decide its fate

>>16618310
If the masses all like something it is often a good indicator of it being simplistic and made for mass appeal. Therefore, if you are someone who wants to expand your appreciation of an art form forcing yourself outside of the mainstream is in fact a great approach, even if for a time you don't enjoy it as much. How is that at all inauthentic?
I agree with Ortega Gasset when he defines the elect as those who place demands upon themselves. It is that drive to seek out new heights which allows us to grow.

>>16618366
>If the masses all like something it is often a good indicator of it being simplistic
Do you have anything to back that up other than your contrarian bias?

>>16618436
Note the nature of the question your asking - how you are seeking to: A) psychologize my position by defining my motive as biased and therefore not grounded in good reason, and B) degrade the conversation to a materialist level of discourse, in the style of the reddit-speak "do you have anything to back that up?".
Does the original post to which are referring have anything to back it up? Are we passing studies around now? What are you doing is simply a rhetorical trick, as was the original post; a neverending game of one-upmanship.
That said there is plenty of evidence. For example if appreciation of a work of art required a high minimum level of intelligence we know from IQ distribution that much of the population would be disqualified. Anything that takes innate ability, hard work, or perseverance will by it's very nature disqualify. It's the same reason you and I don't play professional basketball - it's not something everyone can do, or are willing to do. Why should the highest, most refined art forms be any different? Ah, but you probably reject that a higher exists anyways. Hence our underlying metaphysical visions differ, hence we are enemies.

>>16613109
was going to say this

>>16618366
I'd say your description of this is what the people concerned think they are doing, whereas the other anon's playground analogy fits what is actually happening

>>16606020
I think late era Burroughs shouldn't count because at that point it's hardly even a person writing.

>>16618503
>Psychologicalizing positions is bad
>psychologicalizes anon's reply, concluding that they are unable to appreciate a higher plane of thought

I don't want to start a no u chain, but that anon's challenge was probably the result of them seeing that same argument put forward again and again by the same personality type. It's a familiar trope.

>>16606033
Somehow Oedipus knowing Jocasta was his mother made me very mad.

>>16618366
If you’re a good reader, you can recognize both sublime simple book as well as complex works.It is often harder to write a masterpiece with simple prose that anyone can understand

>>16618503
>Note the nature of the question your asking - how you are seeking to: A) psychologize my position by defining my motive as biased and therefore not grounded in good reason
My reasoning goes in the opposite order of what you've described here. Your position isn't grounded in good reason, therefore it's biased—not the other way around.
>and B) degrade the conversation to a materialist level of discourse, in the style of the reddit-speak "do you have anything to back that up?"
Pray tell, in what way is that question materialist? Also, you're being extremely hypocritical when you criticize me for making what you think is an ad hominem attack and then immediately calling me a Redditor.
>Does the original post to which are referring have anything to back it up?
Yes, the majority of that post following the first few sentences seeks to back up the first few sentences. You didn't attempt to back up the first sentence in your post whatsoever, you took it as an apodictic truth and drew conclusions from it for the rest of your post.
>Anything that takes innate ability, hard work, or perseverance will by it's very nature disqualify.
Taking that into consideration, contrarianism would lead you to both considerably unrefined music and considerably refined music (as both, according to you, are hard to listen to), making it a useless measure if you're looking to refine your taste.
>Why should the highest, most refined art forms be any different? Ah, but you probably reject that a higher exists anyways.
I do. Everybody has a musical lexicon in their brain, whether or not they like a specific musical composition depends on how well the composition coheres with their respective lexicon. This isn't just my opinion either, it's a scientific fact.
https://www.pnas.org/content/110/Supplement_2/10430
>Hence our underlying metaphysical visions differ, hence we are enemies.
You should try sounding a little more tacky, I don't think you're quite there yet.

>>16605962

>>16606235
8/8

>>16611327
yeah, i shared it around like a year ago for the first time

>>16615540
yes

>>16612599
thats exactly what it means

>>16606033
>Pynchon made this meme
>Oedipus knew Jocasta was his mother all along
>Socrates never died

>>16612784
why is vincent gallo so low
i guess thats as far as i go

>>16611843
>US funds ISIS that far down

>>16618357
Any caps?

>>16606257
The Death Grips/Arianna Grande Manchester bombing is so freaky I can't believe it isn't a bigger thing

>>16619146
What about it anon? Could you elaborate please. I am genuinely curious about it.

>>16611271
WHAT'S GOOD NYUGGAH!

>>16606235
Based and sees-through-the-veil-pilled

>>16605917
Pic is favourite group. Where do I fall?

>>16606235
damn

>>16606235
Based. I say this only to publicly show that I agree with you and thus fit your descriptions of chasing fashion. I describe my actions fo do so once more.

>>16606156
the absolute state of /lit

>>16611002
I remember once a girl I had over was looking through my personal library, and cracked open my copy of anti-oedipus. I warned her it took me "years of study to even understand one page of that book" and she glanced over it for a few moments before closing. I swear that's the most arcane I've ever appeared, it was luxurious.

>>16618034
cope

>>16620559
>In 1977, a petition was addressed to the French parliament calling for the abrogation of several articles of the age of consent law and the decriminalization of all consensual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen (the age of consent in France). A number of French intellectuals – including such prominent names as Louis Aragon, Michel Foucault [...] Gilles Deleuze,

And it was at that very moment she knew you was a pedophile. Did you fuck her though?

>>16606020
I remember reading this like 9 years ago as a teen lmao. Weird how these infographics have such a formative influence

>>16619204
50 year old Glaswegian core

>>16620650
Well, children and suckers are always drawn to shiny, important looking objects.

>>16606235
It's posts like this that keep me coming back to /lit/. I honestly don't know if I should thank you or not.

>>16620610
This was while we were fucking, we were having sex for a few hours and took short breaks in between. I remember I made her cum so much (11 or 12 times) that she told me we had to stop because I literally blew her back out and her pussy couldn't take anymore. I did cum on her face later because she was only 18 (I'm 21, for reference) and had never tried it before, but after that we just cuddled until she had to go. She told me later that she walked funny for a couple days after, which made me very proud of myself. We talked and texted periodically for about a month, but she had recently gone through a breakup and told me even though she really liked the sex, she knew she wasn't emotionally ready and would grow attached if we met up again. Unfortunately, we had to break it off, but she was very cute, and liked me a lot, and although I didn't quite like her as much then, I'm sure I would've grown to if we had kept seeing each other. Its unfortunate, but that's life.

>>16619154
Okay, I just typed up a whole response and it deleted itself for some reason.
I'll type it again because if this is fate trying to screw me over it can go fuck itself.
>Death Grips only ever followed one Twitter account, Arianna Grande whom they followed for years apparently
>day of the bombing they release Steroids
>Track length: 22:31
>Time of bombing: 22:31
>references on the track to "improvised explosives, rabbit ears (she wears rabbit ears on an album cover of hers), rabbit holes that last for years"
There's other references but you can look it up or watch the one video on YouTube about it
Freaky shit man

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Almost every single one of you are guilty of exactly the same contrarianism that >>16606235 is bitching about, except in the opposite direction. Learn to think for yourselves, goddamn.

>>16621823
(You)

>>16621823
You sound intellectually insecure to me. Was that an original enough thought for you?

>>16616807
wtf this chart is perfect

>>16606020
Needs improvement, I only spot three women.

Nabokov was an unreliable narrator in real life

>>16606257
>4'33" uncensored

>>16606235
nice post, mind if i upvote it?

>>16621823
Nigga, I was waiting for a (you) in another thread, now you hyped me up without reason, fuck u brah

>>16605991
>not a single harsh noise lolicore artist

>>16621823
WHY DIDN'T I GET THOSE (YOU)S: the post

>>16606257
terrible

>>16622270