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>>16598880
Cope

>>16598880
yes

>bro you gotta find the Essential bro it's outside of Time, your historicist delusions are obscuring Truth man
Man is above nature retard, this attempt of reabstracting truth to be outside of time is nihilism (although romantic) and larping.

>>16598880
No. Imagine being so unbelievably smooth-brained you think cyclical historicity is more logical and beautiful than the sublime progression of temporal events to their inevitable conclusion, when God will be all in all

>>16598880
How will you date things without a beginning, anon?

>>16598880
>even after modern science has voted emphatically in favor of the Indo-European model of Eternal Cycles (many worlds/multiverse hypothesis, string theory, etc.)
You mean, after pop-sci authors made those popular.

>>16598880
>many worlds/multiverse hypothesis
Unfalsifiable garbage that is even more mystical than "beginning and end".
>string theory
More irrelevant now than ever.

>>16598880
Any real concepts of circular times I've found to be particular to an area and not universal. Seasons change on areas of the planet and even more on different ones. Anything that seems reducible to circular time is just as easily reducible to linear but not the other way around, in fact many circular times don't overlap others and I'm not sure there's really a system that can distinguish an underlap and overlap between them.

>believing in the concept of '''time'"

>>16599466
While Multiverse theory is not "physics" proper and does become a metaphysical endeavor, it is nevertheless a metaphysics which is HIGHLY rigorous in the physics that it is based in. It stems from the cutting edge of physics. In other words, Multiverse and its progeny theories are the moments where physicists have decided to engage with philosophy, but are doing so from a perspective which is their area of expertise, and which, one should note, is far superior to the flacid speculation that has passed for "legitimate" philosophy in the past and which has been wholly deconstructed and revealed to be the language game that it in fact is.

In otherwords, while Multiverse does indeed break with physics as an experimental and empirical field, in so doing it broadens the scope or physics by utilizing its fine-grained parlence and data to ground a metaphysical inquiry which thereby secures a far higher degree of validity than non-physicist trained "philosophers". In the future all major philosophic insights will be given in tandem with major breakthroughs in physics since our understanding of 'empirical' will undergo a similar elaboration as our notion of 'matter' underwent with the advent of QP.

As for string theory, nobody of any worth is dismissive of it and its internal coherency speaks volumes.

>>16598880
Don't worry bro, the mantle of disastrous regulating ideal will be taken over by 'connection with Nature, the Cosmos, etc.' soon enough

>>16599636
Spare me your sophistry.

>>16598948
>all will be all
Disgusting t b h.

ATHEISTS VAUNT THEMSELVES AS «FREE», AS «SCIENTIFIC» —WHAT FREEDOM CAN HAVE THOSE WHO RENEGE OF GOD? WHAT SCIENCE CAN HAVE THOSE WHO ARE NESCIENT?

>>16599636
Multiverse theory is thankfully not mainstream and physics can never answer that unless there's a physical connection making it, wait for it, not multiversal.

>>16598940
>Man is above nature


HURR HURRR TOP OF DA FOOD CHAIN HURRR HURRRR

shut the FUCK up anglo retard

>>16599783
it has nothing to do with the foodchain retard. YHWH is self consciousness abstracted outside of time, and Jesus is the reconciliation of this self consciousness with man in time, and by extension, of god and man. You're trying to find the essential in man (outside of time ie BEING) when man is a being in history and what it means to be a human changed in TIME (BECOMING). If you'd rather be an animal, be my guest.

>>16598940
>Man is above nature

>>16599826
see >>16599807

>>16598880

> christian historicity

I agree there's an early view in Christianity that compresses the "beginning middle end" timeline but that hasn't been a driving force in our conception of the world for a while (except in radical circles). But even modern science has that kind of story scaled out. I think it's harmful too and a misguided view of being.

>>16598880
>after modern science has voted emphatically in favor of the Indo-European model of Eternal Cycles (many worlds/multiverse hypothesis, string theory, etc.)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>16598880
Origin at the Big Bang and Big Freeze ending scenario have a lot more support in the modern scientific community than anything else, midwit.

>>16598880
The idea of linear historical progression is one of the primal symbols of the West. You can't just throw it into the trashcan. Read Spengler.

>>16599807
>YHWH is self consciousness abstracted outside of time

How do you know this, how did you reach such conclusion and why your methodology works? How do you even understand if there's such thing as "outside of time" if you are saying this "inside"time?

>>16598880
>modern science has voted emphatically in favor of the Indo-European model of Eternal Cycles (many worlds/multiverse hypothesis, string theory, etc.)
This is not true. These are not accepted as true universally among physicists.

>Man is the highest aspect of nature

>>16600000
based but incorrect

>>16598880
>modern science has voted emphatically in favor of the Indo-European model of Eternal Cycles
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>16600022
do tell more anon, not read much Hegel

>>16600000
checked

>>16598880
>the idea that there is a beginning (fiat lux), middle (incarnation), and end (final judgment) to Time is one of the most virulent concepts ever presented to humanity. It totally distorts our connection with Nature, the Cosmos, and our very selves, hurling us into an incoherent and false dialectical process of anthropocene delirium.
What a reductive, un-nuanced and narcissistic LARP. Verily I say, this post has been made for nothing other than Op wanting to feel nice.

It is as silly a view(if we wish to be arrogant) as literally believing the pagan cyclicality of existence. You as of yet, are not thinking any deeper than the Clothes of things.

>>16598880
Aside form showing a complete philosophical illiteracy (equating models for reality), physics cannot take eternal cycles seriously because the passage of time fundamentally irreversible due to the very statistical nature of reality (as displayed then in the second principle of thermodynamics).

>>16599625
But Plato literally believed in it have you read the Parmenides and Timaeus?

>>16599759
Based.

>>16600000
Also based.

>>16600161
Plato soijack posting is still soijack posting, what did you expect?

>>16600000 (checked)
Based

>>16599946
It is literally in the bible “I AM”
>how is there anything outside time
The dimensional is conditioned by the nondimensional. Present is outside of time.

>>16600153
>whig history
lol

>>16600161
That's what he's making fun, yes.