/lit/ - Literature

>>16580356

Can't post those legally

>>16580413
Post em anyway. It will be funny!

>>16580356

Fuck I’m a retard, I forgot about the Fuuka /lit/ archive. Get ready to be mindfucked

>>/lit/thread/S9481643

ITT we discuss the parallels between the recent "death" of pepe, the story of Finnegans Wake, and the Christian mythos of the death and rebirth of Christ.

is the story of Pepe the contemporary equivalent of joyce's masterpiece? A postmodern crowdsourced authorship of a collective dream befit of our internet times? A jungian reflection of an archetype of the collective unconscious percolated through internet culture? Or merely an artifact of shitposting autists?

>>16580585
I find it very provocative that Furie included the scene of Landwolf pouring over Pepe's head his brown liquor

At first glance this seems to be a shallow reference to ghetto culture - the idea of "pouring one out for the lost homies" though usually this is done not on the face of the deceased but rather poured out on the street. However on second glance this divergence is notable, considering the content of Finnegans Wake.

In the song on which Joyce based his novel, Tim Finnegan is revived when a row breaks out during his funeral and the general chaos results in a drought of whisky ("uisce beatha" - "the water of life") splashing him in the face - thereby reviving him.

>Then Mickey Maloney raised his head
>When a bottle of whiskey flew at him
>It missed him falling on the bed
>The liquor scattered over Tim

>Tim revives, see how he rises
>Timothy rising from the bed
>Then Whirl your whiskey around
>Like blazes Thanum an Dhul
>Do ye think I'm dead?

Note the presence of parallel archetypes.
Pepe being an avatar of Kek, a deity of Chaos
The Chaos of the row in the song resulting in the resurrection of Tim, and the general chaos of online interaction meaning that "killing" a popular meme such as pepe is essentially impossible.

Given the impossibility of killing a meme, i find it very interesting that Furie included the symbolic reference to Finnegans Wake in the splashing of whisky on Pepe's face in the same page as he authored his death. It's almost as though he unconsciously recognized the inevitability of pepe's online "resurrection" (really more a refusal to accept his death, the momentum of such a popular meme cannot be halted by the original author merely declaring him dead) Perhaps this inclusion by Furie represents a resentment at his loss of control over his character, a way to "get ahead"
Perhaps it is merely coincidental.

>>16580585
I find it very provocative that Furie included the scene of Landwolf pouring over Pepe's head his brown liquor

At first glance this seems to be a shallow reference to ghetto culture - the idea of "pouring one out for the lost homies" though usually this is done not on the face of the deceased but rather poured out on the street. However on second glance this divergence is notable, considering the content of Finnegans Wake.

In the song on which Joyce based his novel, Tim Finnegan is revived when a row breaks out during his funeral and the general chaos results in a drought of whisky ("uisce beatha" - "the water of life") splashing him in the face - thereby reviving him.

>Then Mickey Maloney raised his head
>When a bottle of whiskey flew at him
>It missed him falling on the bed
>The liquor scattered over Tim

>Tim revives, see how he rises
>Timothy rising from the bed
>Then Whirl your whiskey around
>Like blazes Thanum an Dhul
>Do ye think I'm dead?

Note the presence of parallel archetypes.
Pepe being an avatar of Kek, a deity of Chaos
The Chaos of the row in the song resulting in the resurrection of Tim, and the general chaos of online interaction meaning that "killing" a popular meme such as pepe is essentially impossible.

Given the impossibility of killing a meme, i find it very interesting that Furie included the symbolic reference to Finnegans Wake in the splashing of whisky on Pepe's face in the same page as he authored his death. It's almost as though he unconsciously recognized the inevitability of pepe's online "resurrection" (really more a refusal to accept his death, the momentum of such a popular meme cannot be halted by the original author merely declaring him dead) Perhaps this inclusion by Furie represents a resentment at his loss of control over his character, a way to "get ahead"
Perhaps it is merely coincidental.

>>16580607
bro, jimbo johns had direct access to kek while writing finnegans wake.

>What clashes here of wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishy gods! Brekkek Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax Koax Koax! Ualu Ualu Ualu! Quaouauh!

it's right there at the beginning of the book (page 4). just as the greeks invoked their divine muses to guide them in poetic creation, so did joyce in finnegans wake with kek.

>>16580616
>Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax Koax Koax
>the repeated triple Ks mirrors the KKK/white supremacist groups Kek is supposedly associated with
>oystrygods gagging fishy gods
>oysters and fishes ... which also suggests frogs as another aquatic animal
>Joyce knew a lot about mythology and world cultures to write this book, so probably the allusion to Kek as Egyptian frog-god after mention of oysters and fishes is intentional
>"Brekkekkex koax koax: the refrain of the chorus of frogs in the comedy The Frogs by the Greek playwright Aristophanes; it is onomatopoeic in Greek; the play features a contest between the two Greek tragedians Aeschylus and Sophocles"
>The sentence directly after reads:
>" Where the Baddelaries partisans are still out to mathmaster Malachus Micgranes and the Verdons catapelting the camibalistics out of the Whoyteboyce of Hoodie Head. "
>Whoyteboyce of Hoodie Head is another clear reference to the KKK or /pol/tards racist white supremacy

>Joyce said he wanted to contain everything in human history and a model of the past, present, and future based on Vico's cyclical theory of history in this book
>He was more or less intentionally tapping into the Platonic archetypes/Jungian collective unconsciousness
>Robert Anton Wilson and Philip K. Dick make similarly mystical claims about Joyce's achievement in this book; he supposedly portrays men in a bar watching television before television ever became popular in bars
>The whole book is practically based on the idea of synchronicity and fortunate coincidences between disparate things, just like Kekism is obsessed with fortunate numerical coincidences (dubs, trips, etc.) and strange allusions to Egyptian mythology

I'm scared, my bruddas

>>16580585
Don't have the time to read the thread, what's this all about?

>>16580635
>>16580607
>>16580585
Is this just some schitzo ledditor posting shit?

>>16580635
Someone named Matt Furie creates a comic with a frog named Pepe in it. On the Internet, the word kek (to replace lol) gradually becomes associated with Pepe, and Pepe with white supremacy.

Matt Furie, saddened over this (apparently), creates a comic killing off Pepe, with a blatant allusion to the tale of Finnegan's Wake, which Joyce's Finnegans Wake is based on.

By this point, Pepe has been equated by people on the Internet with too much time on their hands with Kek, the Egyptian frog-god of darkness and chaos. He is also associated by its semi-joking worshipers with numerical coincidences (dubs, trips, etc.) and strange coincidences in real life and in the fact that there's an Egyptian frog-god named Kek.

Meanwhile, back to Joyce and Finnegans Wake, Joyce is obsessed in Finnegans Wake with synchronicities and relations between world cultures. He writes:

>What clashes here of wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishy gods! Brekkek Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax Koax Koax! Ualu Ualu Ualu! Quaouauh! Where the Baddelaries partisans are still out to mathmaster Malachus Micgranes and the Verdons catapelting the camibalistics out of the Whoyteboyce of Hoodie Head.

This has the initials of the KKK (Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax Koax Koax!), a reference to how they look like (Whoyteboyce of Hoodie Head), includes the word "Kek", and also is a reference to Aristophanes' play The Frogs, where the frogs make a Brekkek noise, and to the Egyptian frog-god Kek. The KKK's white supremacy is like /pol/'s.

Finally, in Joyce's own life, he felt that his wife Nora's once lover, Michael Bodkin, cucked him from beyond the grave by singing to Nora in the rain outside her window for an hour then dying of consumption. He rewrites this story in The Dead (like the fact that Pepe got killed, supposedly) with a character named Michael Furey instead.

Which brings us back to /pol/'s obsession with cucking, which sounds like "kek", and mirrors Joyce's free-association in Finnegans Wake where words that sound similar to each other are combined and all their relations explored.

And it also brings us back to Matt Furie (Michael Furey), creator of the comic.

>>16580635
the Egyptian frog god of chaos named kek was one of the most ridiculous coincidences in internet history. They really ran it into the ground though with the kekistani stuff

>>16580637

A better question is: what isn't it about?

>>16580668
The fuck do you mean you stupid faggot?

>>16580637
tl;dr version

Brekkek kekkek kekkek kekkek! Whoyteboyce of Hoodie Head — white boys with hooded heads — KKK — /pol/ — Kek, Egyptian frog god of chaos — Aristophanes’ “The Frogs” where frogs make sound “Brekkek!” — Kekkism based off worship of repeating digits (synchronicity) — Joyce obsessed with synchronicities — Matt Furie (original creator of Pepe) tries to kill off Pepe with comic — comic has unintentional allusion to legend of Finnegan’s Wake with liquor being poured on Finnegan raising him from the dead (Chaos Never Dies) — Matt Furie —> Michael Furey in Joyce’s “The Dead” (death theme again) who symbolically cucks/kek’s Joyce/Gabriel Conroy, based off of a true story that happened between a man named Michael Bodkin and Nora — bodkin = Shakespearean term for a dagger, an instrument of death — Mossad and CIA did 9/11 as inside job to justify creation of surveillance/police state and looting oil from Middle East — Robert Anton Wilson on this synchronicity in Joyce’s life:

>RAW: In 1909 he went to Galway to look at Michael Bodkin’s grave, and the grave next to it said J. Joyce, which did a great deal to increase our man’s faith in synchronicity, even though Jung hadn’t named it synchronicity then. That’s also the theme of “The Dead”.

>>16580739

The frustration of not knowing is a sign that you are learning.