/lit/ - Literature

>>16579090
It is pretty good, but no 'Dark Forest'.

>>16579090
I liked Dune more. Really liked the first one in this series though. Except for the drunk poet guy parts he sucked.

>>16579172
I liked Dune too. Hyperion and its immediate sequel are great but I dare not mention the river rafting adventure.

>>16579172
Dune sequels suck way more ass than hyperion sequels

>>16579090
Hippie garbage
>muh dolphins
DROPPED

>>16579090
I liked Foundation more.

>>16579090
no

>>16579090
It's better than Dune, but I can't say if it's the greatest sci-fi book since I've only read those two and Roadside Picnic in the genre. Father Hoyt's story is probably the best thing I've ever read, but the book experiences a serious drop in quality towards the end. I'm reading the sequel right now, and it seems like Simmons' writing deteriorates whenever the scope of the plot broadens

>>16581819
Hot take, Simmons never expected to write a sequel and every after the first book is a downgrade desu

>>16579172
>>16579592
I just bought Dune 1-3, I know they keep on going forever, should I stop at 3 or keep going on?

>>16582041
4

>>16581825
>Hot take, Simmons never expected to write a sequel and every after the first book is a downgrade desu
This is glaringly obvious as soon as you start reading the second installlment. The first book is a fun little short story anthology, but it completely falls apart when he tries to tie together the disparate strands. It's just awful and to be honest I'm baffled why people rate these books at all.

>>16582041
Four is the best of the lot, so if you like the first three then yeh definitely continue.

>>16582732
The first and second book was originally one book.

>>16579592
Kino
>>16581819
>Father Hoyt's story is probably the best thing I've ever read, but the book experiences a serious drop in quality towards the end

Correct, then incorrect.

It is one of the best. I have to go back and finish Dune - started it when I was a small brain high schooler. I love the structure of the book, feels like that Chaucer tale.

>>16582041
Just decide for yourself. I finished the first one and got 10 pages into the second before realizing I didn't care at all.
First one honestly got bad after the time skip.

>>16580474
oof

>>16583210
>chaucer tale
Yes, travellers telling stories is evocative of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales

>>16579090
I personally think it is.

>>16579090
oof m8, oof

>>16584315
Dogshit prose

>>16584429
>muh prose

>>16579090
no, thats Friedrich Hölderlins Hyperion. You fucking illiterate. Now back to your containmant thread.

>>16579105
muh sophons

>>16579090
What the F*CK was thus dyse*s homo obsession with Keats?

>>16579105
Dark forest is good but did it really need 100 pages about his waifu

I'd have to say this.

>>16579090
Garbage book. Only the first short story is any good. The rest are cliche trash.

>>16579090
weird I just picked it up today

>>16579090
>mogs your favorite scifi novel
Nothing personnel kid

>>16589782
This is fucking garbage, my guy

>>16579172
You cannot say that!! Fucekr!

>>16584315
>>16584429
Dogshit prose and babby's first encounter with philosophy of mind and basic cognitive science. How much you loved blindsight is a perfect midwit detector.

>>16588273
Valid pick.

>>16580474
Foundation really is king

>>16579105
The DF's characters are no were near to those of Hyperion.
>>16579172
Dune is pseudo-sci-fi at best. Just because there are planet in it, it doesn't mean it isn't fantasy.
>>16589782
Yes but only if Gibson didn't write it in his worst cryptic gibberish.

>>16579090
supp bitchezzz

>>16583210
I mean Lamia's story is trashy pulp and the Consul's is kind of weak space-opera as well, so it's defensible to say the later stories are worse. The concept was to tell a different genre of sci-fi story every time with a few uniting elements, so I also think it's inevitable that at least some of the stories weren't quality because they were of a certain less-mature style. I personally feel that only Hoyt's and Weintraub's were especially good, but the ending is incredibly strong in any case, and excuses any dips in quality along the way. No hard feelings about the rest of the series, but it really is best as a standalone.

>>16594156
>but the ending is incredibly strong in any case
???

>>16594156
You mean the ending of the second book? Because first one basically has non-ending, its all build up and no resolution. Which would be fine if the second part wasnt weaker

>>16579090
A glorified short story collection that gets worse as it goes on. Simmons is a massive faggot who thinks his English B.A. makes him the smartest science fiction writer who ever put pen to paper, and the further you get into the series the more his personality shows through. His Ilium books are some of the worst things I've ever read.

>>16579090
*blocks ur path*

>>16594415
/thread

>>16594415
/thread

>>16594415
this

>>16594415
Im planning to read it, but isnt it more of a fantasy?

>>16594635
Sort of but there are quite a lot of SF elements. Most of them are spoilers though

>>16594635
It seems like that at first, but that's mostly the narrator's fault.

>>16594250
>>16594284
I think refusing to resolve the enormous buildup is the best possible decision, and a really strong and surprising choice. That everyone (briefly) abandons their personal feelings about one another, their goals insofar as they conflict with each other, to join hands and sing a silly song as they go together to meet nearly certain death is super poignant. They're all alike in that moment because they have all been deeply betrayed and manipulated, they're all aware they're powerless both against men and god, they're all pilgrims simultaneously willing-and-unwilling and their futures are totally out of their hands. It's a spectacular end. That there are more books almost cheapens it, but as Silenus notes, Anticlimax is, of course, the warp and way of things.

>>16594415
Easily the goat

>>16594928
Forgot to add, that since only one of them will survive, the sense of being momentarily freed of the grudges burdens they've carried throughout their lives is the only way for them all to achieve a group victory. Despite being a non-resolution, it's also a perfect resolution.

>>16594928
I liked yhe ending too anon. I just completely hated the consults "twist" that didn't make much sense, right before it

>>16582041
To get the full dune experience I’d read up to 4. If your still itching for dune content then read 5 and 6 AND THATS IT.

>>16588273
A worthy candidate

>>16581819
hmm the first (Father Hoyt) and last (Consul) stories were my favorites. You didn't like the dolphin planet stuff or the Ouster stuff?

>>16595674
I think the Consul's was the weakest, along with Lamia's both narrative and prose wise. I did like all the tales which came before, but none of them come close to Hoyt's in terms of pure literary brilliance. If the entirety of Hyperion revolved around a group of people exploring its strange landscape and interacting with its indigenous populations, it would be a far better written book, simply because that seems to be Simmons' strong suit

gotta be this

>>16584315
this is the chad selection

>>16584315
Yes

I liked Hyperion but after reading those sequels I can't take any of it seriously
>time cuckoldry
>love is literally the fifth fundamental force
>mary sue: extreme edition
>not-tibet: planetary edition

>>16579090
The first one is kino, second is good, third and fourth are a disaster.

>>16579090
Not the best when Book of the New Sun exists, but still one of the best.

Star Maker is the culmination of sci fi

>>16584315
>DUDE VAMPIRES AND AUTISTS LMAO

>>16579090
What was up with templar tree ship. Was it acutally giant tree in space? The fuck

>>16579090
Nope, this is the one
But I've to say that it's a really good serie Hyperion, too bad that the third and fourth aren't at the same level of the first two

>>16597169
Yeah

>>16597191
What's the best translation?

>>16597322
Translation doesn't matter as much as it matters for things like Cyberiad, where he has a lot of fun with language. It's written in pretty straightforward prose.

>>16595836
Based

I fucking love it, through and through. Every time this gets posted, I feel like I’m the only one that likes Endymion.

>>16596511
Top tier

>>16597974
I like it too bro, never understood the hate for the sequels

>>16587418
have you even read Keats?

>>16589782
Is there an English translation for this garbage?

>>16597169

my favorite SF book is Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke, but I don't make any claim that it's the best
I recommend it to any who haven't read it though

I thought Hyperion was shit like everyone else besides the Priests story. Who could take the rest of them seriously. That annoying bimbo detective bitch was the most annoying whore ever, her constant back and forth with the satyr man was the worst.

>>16594415
Why have I never heard of 'The Book of the New Sun' anywhere before? I just read the wiki and it seems pretty cool and well regarded. Is the whole series good?

>>16598028
They don't hit the same highs but I don't regret reading them. Not sure if I'll give them a second read but who knows.

i like the spiky robot that impales people on a tree

>>16598490
No, should I?

>>16598894
>bimbo detective
Bitch is literally a fucking dwarf retard, shows what your reading comprehension is, ergo your opinion is irrelevant

>>16582041
Stop. Stop right now and get Brian Herbert's books that deal with Butlerian Jihad. Read them first and then move onto Franks' stuff. Guaranteed best Dune experience, It's meant to be enjoyed chronologically.

>>16594635
It's basically a hybrid.

>>16599595
how fucking dare you

Lotta plebs in this thread

>>16599595
kek, based

>>16599619
The hoity toity idea that Butlerian Jihad was some kind of reactionary movement against computers because of society's dependence on them is boring pseudo philosophical crap. Wouldn't you rather read about epic humans vs huge robots war, like Terminator on steroids? I think we all know which is more enjoyable.

>>16599648
Totally brah

>>16579090
Based crazy Jew.
Incidently Dune is crypto-Aryan.
These are truly the most fundamental archetypes, wignats are right.

>>16598905
Yeah it's great.

>>16594061
Tell me what you like about it, I'm planning on reading it

>>16599626
Incredibly based

>>16579090
Jules Verne's Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea.

>>16579090
Frankenstein, the first and the greatest.

>Jules Verne's Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea.

>>16600789
really hated frankenstein. the majority of the book is some whiny fag crying over one thing or another. the creature is based though.

>>16598905
>Why have I never heard of 'The Book of the New Sun' anywhere before?
1: Most readers of genre fiction do it just for escapism and dont want to read anything challenging
2: Most academics ignore genre fiction reguardless of quality

This is my favourite

>>16600961
Don't recall asking you...?