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>>16561307
>Thou shalt not kill

>Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself
the only right thing to do is to stay alive or go on a killing spree.

>>16561307
>suicide a sin?
Why don't you kill yourself and find out.

>>16561307
In Judaism (the accurate interpretation of the text) it is heavily discouraged, but absolved after the fact in most cases. The only instance appearing in the Tanakh is the death of Saul.

>>16561307
Job, Moses, Jonas. These three prophets, at some point wanted God to kill them. So even if it's a sin, it's not the worst one as it's sometimes made out to be.

>>16561464
Yeah and Jonas at some point wanted an entire city to be annihilated. They're pretty serious sins.

>>16561438
interesting, what should one read to learn more about it?

>>16561475
>Jonas at some point wanted an entire city to be annihilated
That's because they were degenerates.

>>16561489
We're all degenerates after Adam. Doesn't make it right to wish harm on each other. I maintain that prophets committing sins doesn't make the sins any less atrocious.

>>16561307
It is heavily discouraged and generally regarded as negative since it is a waste of the gift of life God gave you. Ultimately He'll be the judge about what were the abysmal circumstances that led someone to commit such an act.

>>16561307
>Dying for a friend is the highest form of love
If it is not self-serving, then probably not as bad.

>>16561381
>T. Augustinian
Thou shall not MURDER

What did ancient greeks/romans thought of suicide?

>>16561882
"they thought it was based" - aristotle

>>16561882
Some of the stoics thought it to be one of the greatest things you could do. Believing it showed immense character.

>>16561307
>Asks questions
>Presented with numerous answers
>Barely engages only with one
God I hate this site

>>16561882
The Romans considered suicide to be preferable to a disgraceful death. Prominent members of society, who were facing execution, would be provided with a dagger so that they could take "The Roman Way" out.

I´ve come very close to doing myself in multiple times but i do wonder if god would condemn me to eternal hellfire for it.

>>16562117
>>16561431
In doubt, better not do it. Live your life meaningfully by serving others.

>>16561464
Asking God to kill you is OK. Killing yourself is not OK.

The bible says nothing about suicide. The catholic church made it a mortal sin to keep poor people alive and spending their money on the church
Otherwise people with terrible lives living in pain whatever will prefer paradise to the material world, as they should

>>16562205
Absolutely based
>The bible says nothing about suicide
Not true though

>>16562068
OP did not have to make this thread to find those answers.

If you kill yourself then you’re choosing to no bear any spiritual fruit, which is your purpose. You might still be saved circumstantially speaking but it’s not worth it.

>>16561496
wishing degenerate to perish is not a sin.

>>16562396
He didn't said it was a sin, only that it isn't right.

>>16561307
apparently you go to a section of hell and hang from a big tree half alive with all the other sadbros

>>16562265
Quote the text

>>16562474
That's not biblical. That's florentine fanfic/shitpost.

>>16562489
Not gonna spoonfeed you.
Suicide ideation happens thrice and suicide occurs at least once.
You can infer that suicide is not commendable by the gift of life that God gives us. Not gonna defend the Catholic view of "mortal sin" though.

>>16562529
catholic*
Ftfy

>>16562529
>you are wrong
>what do you mean I need to prove you're wrong?

At least we can agree that it's not a mortal sin

>>16561307
Is this the guy who was molested by the pedo Jesus cult and then whacked the women who diddled him before becoming an hero?

>>16563105
Yeah, I'm just too lazy to autistically search for the parts were >>16561464
And >>16561438
And >>16561840
do it yourself. Far better exercise.

>>16561867
suicide is self murder if you bother translating it into angloish

>>16562205
This demonstrates how necessary are tradition and the Church to back up the Scripture.

>>16563246
Ok

>>16562117
Another anon pranked by catholicuckism. Just imagine all the weary souls throughout history who wasted all that time here on earth being peasants when they could have just fast forwarded to being in heaven like jesus intended

>>16562511
>not knowing that the Divine Comedy was an early form of the documentary genre
never gonna make it

>>16561903
based

>>16561307
the bible never outright condemns suicide, however everytime someone commits suicide, its portrayed negatively. usually it's something only the wicked do and as such, it should be frowned upon.

>>16563147
No, he is the Bjork stalker who shot himself on video
>>16562068
Sorry I fell asleep

>>16561307
dude see a therapist

>>16563459
I did. I've tried medication too. Nothing works. I've wanted to kill myself since I was 10.

>>16562205
>21st century atheist accuses the Catholic Church of preventing mass suicides of miserable paupers but still portrays it as a bad thing

My diary desu.

>>16563620
Sorry, I can't read Mexican.

>>16563501
No wonder why lol

>>16563667
Search the bible verses. Read the SEP entry on suicide. Also, do not commit sudoku. I love you, anon.

>>16562529
Quote the fucking text dawg. I want to learn from you retard.

>>16562205
>>16562205
you have to be 18 to post here bby

>>16563679
What the fuck? There's no way that barely one in every million Muslim deaths is a suicide, something's off here. No society is that overwhelmingly happy. Shit, it'd be higher than that even if you only included public explosive Muslim suicides.

>>16563757
Suicide never was about happiness.

>>16563766
Regardless of causes, there's no way it's more than two orders of magnitude rarer among Muslims, something's very fucky with that statistic

>>16562205
Peasants would be the least likely group to commit suicide

>>16563501
I'm not atheist retard. Are you trying to deny the fact that the catholic church invented the idea that suicide is a mortal sin out of thin air?
>>16563275
Tradition is fine as long as it is based on scripture. There are several traditions that are taken as canon by the catholic church that cannot be pointed back to scripture

>>16561438
>the accurate interpretation of the text
Sure. Post foreskin.

>>16564306
Atheists are only distinguishable from 21st century protestants if you ask them for their opinion on Israel

>>16564306
>thin air
>murder is bad
>therefore, murder of the self is bad
>thin air
I will never understand you people.

>>16563757
Because Muslims commit suicide in very interesting ways.
>>16564306
>There are several traditions that are taken as canon by the catholic church that cannot be pointed back to scripture
Such as?

>>16564333
Immaculate conception is the most garish one. Purgatorio is extra biblical as well

>>16564332
>murder is the same as suicide
How

>>16564421
Suicide is murder of oneself.
This shouldn't be a hard concept to understand, because it certainly isn't self-defense.

>>16564412
>Immaculate conception
I hardly see how that is garish.
It is fitting for the mother of God and is denoted by being hailed as 'Full of Grace' as her title by the Archangel Gabriel.
>Purgatory
Being cleansed of the effects of sins again seems logically consistent with the scripture.

>>16563757
They probably under report it same as black people. This one black guy near me, his family said he got 'hit by a train' but didn't question why he was on the tracks alone at 2am.

>>16563488
Why do you want to kill yourself?

>>16564593
>seems logically consistent
That does not mean the same thing as being from the scripture
>fitting for the mother of God
Except that saying a fully mortal human was completely without sin is blasphemous
More to add is praying via saints. Jesus taught us to pray directly to God

>>16564931
I'm not bothering to have another internet argument with some protestant that goes no-where.
Internet apologetics is useless and little more than mental masturbation.
May you see the light eventually and God forgive you.

>>16564773
I don't know.

>>16563679
based hindu gender equality

>>16563313
History channel makes lots of "documentaries" doesn't make it more real.

>>16563305
>Just fast forwarded to being in heaven like jesus intended
>Just kys bro ! Haha!
Shut up, demon.

>>16563449
Yikes, didn't remembered there was this many suicides

>>16563757
Not defending muzzies, but probably their deaths are like airplane accidents? Few, but spectacular.

>>16564322
Kek. Not him, but I'm kinda aligned to protestantism while I hate zionism.

>>16565169
I've suicidal ideation since I was a kid too anon. And perverted thoughts since I was a teen as well. That's the result of the sins of the world, nothing out of the ordinary. Luckly, it gets better when I serve Him.

>>16566141
Meant for
>>16563620

>>16563731
>I want to learn from you
Aww, here you go, retard
Moses: Numbers 11: 14-15
Elijah: 1 Kings 19: 3-5
Jonah: Jonah 4:1-3
Free gift of life: https://www.openbible.info/topics/free_gift_of_life

These are other instances.
>>16563620

>>16562105
this, hence the origin of “falling on your sword”

>>16561307
No. Its litteraly just the influence of Augustine.

>>16563449
Ok :)

Bumperino

>>16561307
Suicide is murder.
/thread

>>16561464
>>16561475
it's Jonah not Jonas you fucking retards

It's just incompatible with the whole "you shall love God with all your heart, and all your soul and all your mind and all your strength, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself"

I would just pray for the spirit of revelation/discernment on your journey from the Father.

What does the Orthodox church and its take on the Bible say about suicide?

>>16567003
It's Jonas in some romance languages you utter mongol

>>16566986
>/threading your own post
lmao

>>16567021
Amem

>suffer so much that you become insane
>commit suicide
>God: Sorry bro, you're just as bad as slaver or a rapist, it's hell for you
I don't know but I just don't feel like he would be that much of an asshole, atleast not after Jesus and all that.

>>16567828
Have you seen many italians lately?

>>16563757
they kill each other, not themselves

>>16563246
Murder is unlawful killing who but god or you can have any say over what you do with your life? remember sin is not breaking the laws of men but the laws of god.

>>16561307
your life isn't yours to give

>>16563620
Those messages are not all condemnatory, while they are not meant to be portrayed on a happy light many of them take a something of a redemption note. Especially the Samson case, his sacrifice and desire to take kill Israel's enemies was interposed with his concretion with god and the regaining of his strength.

>>16567021
What if death is the only way to escape sin? In the end living in this corrupted world is a sinful thing. Knowing of all it's evil while being powerless to do anything can lead a man into insanity. I'm not sure ignoring all the bad shit around you just to keep on living is commendable.

>>16564931
>>16564593
>>16564412
>>16564333
>being a modern Catholic rather than maintaining the Scripturally sound portions of Catholicism and otherwise being independent of denomination as Christ intended
I shiggy diggy bros. As soon as the Church contradicts Scripture, or treats extrabiblical sources as Biblical, it has fallen into heresy. This applies to Protestards, Catholicucks, and Orthonerds. Don't put Man over God. The Church should be united under God, not divided under men.

>>16569319
>trying to surgically remove a single story out of the thousands of years of myth and tradition before and after that make up its context and thinking the result is "more true"
There's a reason it took concentrated Germanic autism to invent pr*testantism

>>16569419
>making up context
>has never studied hermeneutics or the context regarding Scripture
you project your own lack of knowledge of context onto me

>>16569425
The Church has been doing that for millennia, you retard. Do you think your personal "well really the eye of a needle was a metaphor for a city gate so it's actually easy for Joel Osteen to get into heaven" interpretation is better than reading any work from the thousands of years of people devoting their entire lives to studying it?

>>16569425
Anime avatarfags go to hell, it's directly stated in Acts

>>16569440
Strawman. I find the Joel Osteen comment to be abhorrent: the dude's misleading thousands with false doctrine. Camel through eye of a needle is literal- don't make up arguments and then refute them and act as if you've bested me. I study tradition but take these analyses within their own context as well. An example is that a lot of (very early) Church Fathers had an thing for "discovering" increasing degrees of abstraction and metaphor, even if some of these allegorical understandings were divorced from the context the original audience was in.
Don't take me for a retard Protestant type. I don't believe in the idea that "Athens has nothing to do with Jerusalem." There have been many genius thinkers over the history of the Church, but these thinkers are not inspired writers, and so one has to parse what they say with that in mind.
>>16569462
I thought that was in First Rumors.

>>16566131
I don't condone suicide I just think it's clearly the best option

>>16569319
This man gets it. Some communal life is desirable for most to be around common minded people, but you don't need to prostitute your discernment to other priests rather than to devote to Christ.

>>16569462
What? Source?