/lit/ - Literature

>>16537296
50s commercial Kitsch artwork from an atomised Fordist hell world is not “traditionalist”

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>>16537317
Based

>>16537296
>Traditionalist
Capitalist nuclear family is Modernist and fractal. Fyi
>>16537306
This

>>16537312
Spam

>>16537306
Yeah, I'm not approving this thread as perennial. There's some terminal wires crossed better to earth out.

reject modernity

>>16537306
It's a traditional family going to church.

>>16537412
it's a modern family

>>16537412
No, it is an exceptionally modern family

>>16537431
>>16537437
No, it's a traditional family

my cousin my gastroenterologist

>>16537457
This >>16537354 is traditional

>>16537457
>legs showing
>traditional
wew

>>16537457
Do you define "tradition" as "whatever imagery that advertising firms in the 60s were using to sell cleaning products and soft drinks?"

>>16537354
>you will never play your medieval bagpipes for a festival amongst your best friends and enemies of the village, forming a bond of survival and interdependence that none of use will ever know in a post agrarian society

>>16537484
What are you talking about imagery? It's a family going to church.

>>16537515
Are you an ESL or are you just a bit dense?

>>16537477
Yes. And old. You don't have to dress like a cossack horseman to be a traditionalist in 2020.

>>16537515
M O D E R N
A E S T H E T I C S

>>16537515
It’s a nuclear family, not trad. fucking retard stop posting

THIS is a REAL traditional family

>>16537530
Um... you're aware that "traditionalist" doesn't mean "old" right?

>>16537457
>>16537515
>>16537412
You must be 18 to post on this site.

>>16537552
Do you have access to Wikipedia?

>>16537560
Yeah, and I suggest you to use it instead of samefagging here.

>>16537552
"Old" is certainly closer to what it means than "aspirational advertising targeted at the 60s salaryman"

>>16537501
It’s closer than you think.

Why do I have such a hard time talking to girls who aren't virgins?
I feel just completely melancholic the entire time, for them

>>16537573
It's a family going to church

>>16537457
A traditional family is extended family like grandparents, etc.. The family in that pic is a nuclear consoomer industrial family. Even I know this and I'm not a "traditionalist".

>>16537584
But they're going to church

>>16537571
Oh really where did I samefag? What you are asking for is not what you're after asking for and I will add that gay ought to mean merry except if I call you gay you can be assured that I mean that you are indeed a faggot.

>>16537575
We can't degrowth and we'll never go back.

>>16537296
>Traditionalist /lit/

>>16537571
a fucking faggot.

>>16537593
And? That's just one part of "trad"

>>16537593
If a homosex couple goes to church are they trad

>>16537607
The also fulfill the other parts. I know, they've told me.

>>16537602
>"Traditionalist" /lit/
please if you will be a catspaw have sharpened claws

>>16537501
brb gonna kms

>>16537593
its probably a pr*testant """church"""

>>16537596
The resource shortfalls will catch up to us, but I’m more talking about those who will voluntarily want to grow their own foodstuffs, make their own clothing etc. because of the depression coming.

>>16537580
How is it traditional at all? What traditions are they upholding, other than "being vaguely WASP?" They're wearing distinctly modern outfits, even illustrated in a distinctly modern style.
The reason you're being mocked ITT is that your choice of imagery reflects your complete misunderstanding of what "tradition" means. You fell for public relations so well-done and so thorough that it shaped your worldview in ways you aren't aware of long after the suits who made it died and the products it pushed disappeared. You've been cucked by guys that died of lung cancer and alcoholism half a century ago, and they did it so well you never noticed.

>>16537615
Only if it's a unicorn churvh

>>16537636
also he got memed on hard by the certain controlled opposition group formerly known as

>>16537633
Only valid point here.

The rest of you are fucking autistic.

>>16537636
>What traditions are they upholding?
Going to church

right wing incel thread. why dont you people smoke a fucking joint and chill out? maybe then we could have peace on earth

>>16537653
>Church
>Tradition
OOOH OOOOH AHHHH

>>16537656
>dude weed lmao

>>16537656
Marijuana is reactionary (used by traditionalist shamans as well as proles seeking temporary escape from their social and material alienation). A leftist state would ban decadent narcotics like pot (tools of the bourgeoisie).

Ok so OP has been btfo and looks like a retard but now can we actually post trad lit

>>16537296
America isn’t and never was “traditionalist”. Read actual traditionalist authors and get you brain out of the gutter. (The nuclear family isn’t “trad” either).

>>16537669
yes, weed, smoke some. it will expand your mind, which you obviously sorely need

>>16537664

>>16537306
>>16537484
>>16537534
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>>16537584
POST TRADITIONALIST PICS INSTEAD OF ENDLESSLY BITCHING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S INCORRECT CONCEPTIONS OF IT.

>>16537680
>it will expand your mind
more like your anus

>>16537679
America? They're clearly Austrians

>>16537686
What do you want, barefooted Amish grils?

>>16537636
>>16537306
>>16537557
>>16537552
>>16537534
lol @ your jealousy and bitterness

You wish you had a traditional family with a mother, father, and close ties to extended relatives. But you don't; you're among the 50% of Americans that don't have a traditional family, and you hate everyone lucky enough to have what you don't.

My god, this is full of jews

>>16537714
>>16537717
tradface

>>16537636
>>16537306
>>16537557
>>16537552
>>16537534
lol @ your jealousy and bitterness

You wish you had a traditional family with a mother, father, and close ties to extended relatives. But you don't; you're among the 50% of Americans that don't have a traditional family, and you seethe with resentment at the mere mention of normalcy and decency.

Is eating ass traditional?

>>16537723
>post syntax
Using human language is still incredibly hard for machines. A bot’s posts may reveal its algorithmic logic: they may be formulaic or repetitive, or use responses common in chatbot programs. Missing an obvious joke and rapidly changing the subject are other telltale traits (unfortunately, they are also quite common among human anons).

>post semantics
Bots are usually created with a particular end in mind, so they may be overly obsessed with a particular topic, perhaps reposting the same link again and again or posting about little else.

>temporal behavior
Looking at posts over time can also be revealing. If an anon posts at an impossible rate, at unlikely times, or even too regularly, that can be a good sign that it’s a bot. Researchers also found that bots often betray an inconsistent attitude toward topics over time.

>>16537726
Lol no I live in a 2 children 2 parent nuclear family and it's not "trad" you fucking retard. It's a product of industrialization and peasants being forced into the cities to work for Porky.

>>16537714
>Tradition is when you live like a rat in a city with advertisements bearing down on you and skyscrapers blocking out the sun but everybody's, like, wearing a tie and stuff
You genuinely have no idea how kiked your mind is. Either read Bernays to pick up on this shit so you can stop embarassing yourself or go to /pol/ and jerk off to 19th century French statues that you think are from Classical Greece.

>>16537726
>Doesn't know what "Traditional" means.
>Gets mad when people point this out.

>>16537726
Atleast i’m not an incel. you probably haven’t had a real conversation with your family in years, they have no idea just how far gone you are do they?

>>16537726
I'm not American

>>16537705
It's not my thread, but the amount of time that dude spent asserting that other anons are wrong could've been better spent contributing what he thinks are proper examples to the thread.

>>16537746

>>16537740
I seen Bourdain eating I think it was a sheep's ass in Austria, on the television.

>>16537726
Again, you must be 18 to post on this site.

>>16537749
I'm pretty sure different cultures have different "trad", you seething parasite. Tradition for me is a foreign concept for a sexually frustrated communist fucktard like you

>>16537761
>traditional
>existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established
Are you mentally handicapped?
>>16537762
You've destroyed me, I'm literally dead. Stay mad, you wretched creature.


>>16537777
quads of truth

>>16537726
>lol @ your jealousy and bitterness
>You wish you had a traditional family with a mother, father, and close ties to extended relatives. But you don't; you're among the 50% of Americans that don't have a traditional family, and you seethe with resentment at the mere mention of normalcy and decency.

>>16537784
Absolute state of tradcucks. Because slaving away in hyper-alienated Fordist America is peak tradition.

>>16537784
Have sex incel

>>16537777
What he, and everyone, should do if challenged is check their facts and establish an agreed upon terminology instead of what happened here. Good case study.

also, checked

They're going to church

>>16537781
>>16537788
>>16537793
>no u

>>16537792
They're saying "there's no such thing as a traditional family", and that is so retarded I couldn't let it stand.

>>16537296
>nooooooo thats not traditional! Traditional is shitting in a river and playing the lute

>>16537784
>"Your 50s americana idea of tradition is a Jewish invention that was used to sell cars and cigarettes, real traditionalism comes from much older and less materialist traditions"
>"OH SO YOU'RE A BLUE-HAIRED COMMIE TRANNY HUH LIBTARD"
With every post you just embarass yourself more and more

>>16537788
>nigger mad he doesn't have a daddy
>"ill punch u whiteboy"
>doesn't realize he can't punch through a screen

>>16537784
>long-established

>>16537808
>no u

You have to be 18 to post

>>16537784
I'm watching the football. Please continue.

Andy, are you here? How's Mark?

The nuclear family and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Unironically, it's a consequence of the Industrial Revolution. OP is a faggot.

>>16537819
>traditionalism
>the upholding or maintenance of tradition, especially so as to resist change.
Traditionalism will differ depending on the culture being preserved. Despite your arbitrary meme definition, tradition for me is a traditional family w/ two parents, and Christian values. Get over it.

>>16537849
>Tradition is consooming in the suburbs
LMAO you're suck a fucking cuck.

>>16537849
>Relativism

>>16537843
That's not tradition, that's gypsy patriarchy

>>16537849
Do you think everyone living like that in the 60s considered themselves to be a part of any kind of tradition? Would the man in the OP painting have anything in common at all with, say, his own grandfather?

>>16537849
>Tradition and traditional family means whatever the fuck I want it to mean.

>>16537843
That's what my family looks like.

Can you explain the difference between this and a 'nuclear' family? My family has multiple kids, a close tie with extended relatives, and our family get-togethers look like this photo, minus the frowns.

>>16537849
No, it isn't. "Traditionalism" has a very specific definition. What you're advocating isn't Tradition, nor is it tradition. It's not tradition (little t) because the entire familial model you're positing is just a post-WWII means of preventing decimation of the population in nuclear war while simultaneously maximizing consumption. It's also not Traditionalism (big T) because it has nothing to do with the incredibly autistic intellectual project that Evola and Guenon and other fags like them were undertaking.

It's entirely true that Europeans have fluctuated between large and small families, but you aren't defending a place in that, you're defending something else.

>>16537866
also here >>16537784
>I'm pretty sure different cultures have different "trad"
and meanwhile in Austria >>16537780

>>16537877
A "Nuclear Family" is mother, father, children. No cousins, grandparents, aunts, uncles, he's-related-to-you-but-it's-complicated-so-just-call-him-uncle, etc. The "nuclear" of nuclear family refers to a discreteness in that every nucleus is self-contained and has effectively zero relation to other nuclei. To put it another way, your cousins are just "other kids" that you happen to be related to.

The "Nuclear Family" in the American context is NOT just a part of the long-standing European tradition of fluctuating family sizes, it is something fundamentally different in that it is a top-down enforced system of social organization.

>>16537877
A nuclear family is mom, dad, and their children, no extensions included.
The concept of every nuclear family needing to move out to a massive suburban house by themselves was invented in the postwar boom economy to sell real estate and cars.

>>16537412
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>>16537726
Unless you're baiting, i'm afraid you've just stepped onto a semantic problem here, anon.
What you understand as "traditional" (correct me if i'm wrong) is the WASP "bourgeois" american family of the XXth century.
The problem is that, when you talk about "traditionalism", you're actually referring to the traditional school of thought. By the traditionalist school standards, everything on the American way of life, since it's conception, is strictly modern: the revolutionary roots of your country, the prevalence of protestant Christianity, the capitalistic economic organization, the democratic political system; everything is deeply rooted on modern ideas, fundamentally linked to the so-called "bourgeois revolutions", and thus they are anti-traditionalist.
Now, most of the retards on this post probably have only read Julius Evola and regard all of Christianity as modern and anti-traditional. Since the core of the traditionalist school is the belief in the existence of perennial wisdom, this is not necessarily true, and it mostly depends on the author (for instance, nowadays there are those who even consider Seraphim Rose as part of the traditionalist school; consider also the works of Agostino Steuco, who coined the term "philosophia perennis" in the first place). Nevertheless, Protestantism, Lutheranism, Mormonism and so on, are indeed a modern phenomena and should be regarded as anti-traditional.

>>16537875
>*hits pipe*

Things were so much better in my fiction

>>16537906
Yup. Hence this >>16537643

>>16537878
Can you explain the difference between (little t) traditionalism and the nuclear family?

>A traditional nuclear family consists of a married couple and their biological child or children

It says nothing about being atomized, maximizing consumption, or having no ties with extended family.

>>16537891
Source?
>it is a top-down enforced system of social organization.
How is it top-down enforced? It was promoted with propaganda, but that's not "top-down enforced".

And not all families during this time were atomized like you describe, where "your cousins are just "other kids" that you happen to be related to". This whole discussion got started because everyone saw OP's pic and assumed every American family from that era functioned the same way.

>>16537877
Extended, multigerational families lived closer together, ideally in the same home. We could walk or ride to relatives' homes, and shared meals often. That created a natural place for passing on family history and retelling the stories that help us understand where we come from. That's tradition.

>>16537931
Yeah I bet your family is very 'close'

>>16537906
It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

- George Washington in a 1798 letter to Reverend G. W. Snyder

>>16537891
>>16537878
Let me clarify:

Europeans have, since pre-historical times, been fluctuating between two models of familial organization: "Big Families" and "Small Families".

Big Families have a patriarch, with the biggest having patriarchs, and a matriarch, with the biggest having matriarchs. Child-rearing is distributed amongst many people, such that a kid will actually have multiple "father-figures". You can read about men in the Classical period who were born, never meet their father, and are instead raised by like, four other dudes in the village, but live with their mother: that's this. This system allows for enormous families because you just have a massive blob, acting as its own small ethnostate along self-organizing principles, taking care of basically everything. These usually crop up in agricultural communities, or in other "spiritually-agricultural" communities, such as mining towns, where the limiting factor on economic activity is manpower.

Small Families have a single father, a single mother, and while they're part of a larger web, the father is the head of a small state. A VERY small state, but a state none the less. So, an individual navigates relationships among many of these tiny states. They still have many kinfolk around them, but they're "raised by", "belong to", and will "inherit the title(s) of" their mother and father as individuals. A son WILL become a patriarch under this model, whereas in the previous one, he only will if he wants to. These crop up in urban areas, or in aristocracies, where economic activity isn't actually aided by pure numbers of men available (think craftsmen), and instead it is beneficial to maximize the benefit going to a small clique of children.

The Nuclear Family is NOT the Small Family. They're fundamentally different. How? See >>16537896. The Small Family exists to benefit you, your kids, and your kin. The Nuclear Family exists to benefit banks.

>>16537930
>It was promoted with propaganda, but that's not "top-down enforced".
It is indirectly, like getting me to quit by adding taxes to my cigarettes.

>>16537930
Little t traditionalism is just carrying on a tradition. Tradition comes from tradare, which itself comes from trans dare, literally "to give across". It's a passing of the flame.

The Nuclear Family is a top-down structure promoted by propaganda, enforced by lawfare and economic incentive. It's not "natural", and without the pressure applied to make it happen, it would fade away. It only exists because people make it exist. This isn't to say that traditions have to be organic and predating man or something, but rather, that no one is passing it on. You don't inherit the Nuclear Family, you're forced to conform to it. The fact that 100% of the population DON'T conform to it is evidence of its unnaturalness.

>>16537930
>Can you explain the difference between (little t) traditionalism and the nuclear family?
>It says nothing about being atomized, maximizing consumption, or having no ties with extended family.
That's what the very word "nuclear" means in this usage, as the other anon you quoted explained. The nuclear family was a new concept, specifically an advertising paradigm, that emerged in the late 40s and 50s to sell suburban real estate and the many many products associated with that lifestyle to the young people coming back from WW2 into the most powerful economy the world had ever seen that started popping out the baby boomers.
>How is it top-down enforced? It was promoted with propaganda, but that's not "top-down enforced".
That is top-down enforcement. Propaganda doesn't come from grassroots everymen. Read Eddie Bernays, a lot of the stuff we're discussing is the result of the generation after him carefully studying and implementing his ideas with unprecedented success. He was the first person to truly step advertising up to the point of actively trying to reshape society and its values for the sake of profit.
>And not all families during this time were atomized like you describe, where "your cousins are just "other kids" that you happen to be related to".
We're talking about overarching societal trends, not individual cases where maybe it wasn't that bad. The trend was what has been described above, and art like that OP painting is a reflection of it.

>>16537906
Ah, so it's a school of thought rather than an internet buzzword, any (preferably free) beginner books on the topic? I'd like to know more.

>>16537992
>>16537978
>>16537965
sorry guys, i deleted that comment when i realized i was wrong

>>16538002
But anon, you don't need to do that. Once you're wrong here you can just shut up at anytime and fight another day. It doesn't matter which anon is right or wrong so long as we advance the truth.

>>16537306
t. Leftoid
You're just as cringe as OP, stop being a pedantic fag trying to sound smart

>>16538027
t. OP's White Knight

Does OP let you suck his dick?

https://discord.gg/3tfTTjn

Yeah I want to start a Mine Kamph reading club let’s go

>>16538000
>rather than an internet buzzword
It's an internet buzzword when referring to things like the ones the OP posted, but it is still a school of thought, and that's how most people on this board understand it.
>any (preferably free) beginner books on the topic
A common idea on traditionalism if the belief that casts and aristocracy are a transcendent truth, so there's no "begginer books" here, you either are of a higher cast and understand the topic, or you're of a lower cast and will never get it, so it's not going to be easy to get into it.
Regardless of that, René Guénon is often mentioned as the "master" of the school. You probably missed out on guenonfag like a year ago. Read the Crisis of the Modern World. There's also Evola; start with "the mistery of the grail" and "pagan imperialism" before jumping to his bigger titles. The red book of Jung also deals on some of these topics, though you should have to get into jungian psychoanalysis before reading that, and that's another can of worms. And, as i said, you can also read Seraphim Rose, as he was somehow inspired by Guénon, alas never stopping being christian.

>>16537354
not in america. capitalism/commercialism are fine old american traditions

>>16538019
noted. thanks

>>16538104
I think he posts on /sp/

>>16538104
Thank you, friend, I hope I find an argument in this school that argues for catholicism.

>>16537656
>peace on earth
and you're going to achieve that with cannabis?

>>16537686
>traditionalist
>pics
anon, I...

>>16538375
You what? Spit it out. Photography is anti-traditionalist?

Tradition is not literature. Going to church with your boring sumise wife and using a shirt is not aristocratic. And aristocracy, and its racist roots of understanding the man as an spiritual given object in the system of things is a lazy idea.

>>16538406
... I, uh...

>>16538118
I don't, and I don't know what /sp/ is.

>>16537412
>It's a traditional family going to church.
What is the father doing? Selling insurances? Working for a bank? Working in trade? Is he basically a jew with a foreskin? We live in a jewish world. We became the jews. No need to larp as traditionalists.

>>16537938
Marry cousins is also pretty trad.

saw Del Noce mention Guenon and I thought Guenonfag has been avenged for someone has cited the master

>>16538939
I think this might be a fair interpretation but it leaves unga bunga return to monke as the only "pure" traditionalism in our modern world. I guess you could just copy the Commie cope and say "Yeah I can participate in the system AND advocate for change!!!" though, monke route is too ludditic which isn't even what traditionalism is about. I suspect though that these oppositions have been constructed in bad faith by leftists and libshits to define 21st century traditionalism out of intelligibility

This thread is cringe as fuck type sneed if you agree.
sneed.

sneed

sneed

>>16537849
>well anything can mean traditionalism anyways lol
the absolute state

>>16539542
Awright!
I can be traditionally radical now.

Sneed

>>16539404
>Not reading any of the dozen long-ass effort posts in the thread and just going "oh wow nobody knows" anyway
A reasonable way to define traditionalism is in a man's general consistency with the lifestyle and values of his forefathers going back several generations. The ideal "traditional lifestyle" would be something like a farmer born in a rural town who lives in his ancestral home, marries a local girl, and raises a family there. Technology may have advanced, but his behavior and environment and culture wouldn't be unfamiliar to his great-great-grandfather.
The 50s Americana salaryman is not even close to that. He is an invented person whose entire being was created by marketers and was pushed from the very beginning as a distinctly modern image - look at actual writing and art from the period, none of these people harbored any illusions about being anything but modern, that was considered desirable and was used as a tagline for everything. He lives somewhere completely alien, suburbs being a postwar invention. His values are new and cosmopolitan, looking always to the future, at growth and upsizing. He is physically disconnected from his extended family and any genuine ties to his community are replaced by surrogates like HOAs and co-op boards. Maybe he goes to church, but the church was built shortly before he moved into his subdivision out of drywall and the pastor (who wears jeans just like him) thinks denominations are old-fashioned. His home is made of the cheapest materials available, destined to fall to pieces in a decade or two, but that doesn't bother him - he hopes his kids live somewhere with more square footage, and maybe an extra guest room.
This was all viewed as desirable because it was pushed at the advent of real big-time public relations, an inflection point where mass media was finally able to shape the public psyche into whatever it needed it to be. A traditionalist man wouldn't want any of these changes, so mass media, from the top down, did away with him, replaced him with somebody more pliable and cooperative. Over a couple generations, they got so terrifyingly good at this that people in this century don't understand it and confuse all this signalling with reality, assuming the modern man of the 50s IS the traditional American man because anything before that has been so thoroughly erased from public memory and any connections to an older life before it were intentionally severed.

i used to cringe at hot dog traditionalism but seeing how much it triggers chappotrannies, i'm all for it now

>>16539872
>Letting the Jews win to own the libs

>>16539839
>A reasonable way to define traditionalism is in a man's general consistency with the lifestyle and values of his forefathers going back several generations.
can I adopt another tradition? for instance....... the ggreeeks ;) most cultural traditions are based on anachronism, borrowed myths and LARPs anyway

>>16539874
you mean it triggers pol schizos too, well sign me up

trad is just another aesthetic branding choice among a myriad and that's a good thing

>>16537296
Why is the quality of this thread so fucked? Jesus

>>16539886
It's not anachronistic or LARPing if you're born and raised into it, stop throwing words around like they don't mean anything.
Pretending to be Greek would absolutely be LARPing because reading about them on your lunch break and lifting at Planet Fitness when you get off work is not "adopting the tradition."

>>16539894
Most people don't understand how wide-reaching and serious the consequences of the 21st century crisis of identity really are. The big one ITT is that westerners accidentally deleted all the ties to their own past and never realized how vitally important they were until it was too late to stop.

>>16539902
But anon, there must be some arbitrary point where innovation occurs - often in the form of influence, imitation, etc. ! just think of the Byzantines, of the Holy Roman Empire, the Renaissance!

Of course, no modern man can ever exist in a manner remotely similar to the ancient Greeks, and their entire mode of existence and everything that is bound up with it - ethics, politics, eroticism - is impossible to actually ever replicate... but influence, diagonal and imperfect, skewed and deformed, is nevertheless possible...

>>16537656
Peace on an earth with nothing worth fighting for is worse than war on an earth with things worth fighting for.

>>16537656
DUUUUUDE CAN'T YOU JUST SMOKE SOME WEEED XD

>>16539912
Innovation occurs and is necessary to some degree, but it is a force that will pretty much always work counter to tradition.

>>16537296
Ah, I wonder who could be behind this blatantly obvious false flag thread?

>>16539911
I feel bad for normies. They don't deserve having to live in a secular society. They are all suffering for no reason.

>>16537849
I 100% guarantee you're an American - your faggy suburban nostalgia is neither trad nor fascistic. RETVRN

>>16539933
How do you maintain enough faith in everyone here to assume that every poster being a retard is just pretending?

>>16537306
Stop saying kitsch you jew faggot

>this fucking thread

Honestly tho, living in a 1950s ideal concocted by ad execs would actually be pretty good. Imagine it, a well-dressed wife, well-behaved kids, a racist dog, friendly neighbors, etc. Maybe it's not "trad" but whatever, those who even came close to experiencing that ideal were far better off than their peasant forefathers: enslaved, powerless, brainwashed by the church and dying young of easily curable diseases.

And all you have to do to change a person's angry npc face into a joyful basedface is to superimpose a swastika or hammer & sickle onto the image of the happy 50s family and:
>omg based, liberalism btfo

>I want to live in a world constructed by advertisers
This is just as dumb as conceptualizing multiculturalism like a Benetton ad

OP really fucked this one up.

>>16540036
what if the images constructed by advertisers coincided with the desires of the public, like obviously 90s style rainbow nation multiculturalism was more appealing to people than the Rodney King race riots

Hate the stupid Sneed meme but have to agree, this family discussion is maximum cringe. You Murrican neet incels are autistic if you think not living with your parents until old age actually had to be forced on people by advertising, da Joos and whoever. Actually, define natural. Natural is living in a savannah or in a cave. Humans stopped living naturally after they became civilized. Dying from sepsis due to the absence of antibiotics is natural. So antibiotics, having surgery with anaesthesia, etc were forced on humans by advertising too? Or is it just people striving to improve their standards of living as soon as tecnology and their wealth permit them to? How do you explain that even yuropoors move out away from their parents as soon as they can afford it? We never had the economic boom after WWII.
t. yuropoor

>>16537306
First post absolutely best post.
I fucking hate retards thinking that the50s were traditional. Trditionalism died in the west with the start of the roaring twenties, probably even during th first world war. But the end was destined since the industial revolution. But that's not comfortale enought of a lifestyle for those kids.

>>16540030
>were far better off than their peasant forefathers: enslaved, powerless, brainwashed by the church and dying young of easily curable diseases.
You better not post on this board for the remainer of this fucking year, you asolut mongoloid. You know nothing but pure propaganda about the past and lust after a timeline which is again and again sold to retards, so that even if times change, the suversive elements can start nicely from a perfect consomer base.

>>16540295
>bourgoise belle epoque lifestyle
youre just as deluded as OP

>>16540312
Go away marxist scum. This is a large family gathering, multigenerational in nature. It doesn't matter if it is biedermeier or high middle ages.

>>16540379
its not a family gathering its a bunch of impressionist painters (probably socialists of some strain) from denmark.

>>16540388
And? Does it matter if it's a family by choice of destiny to the onlooker? It doesn't. It's the feling which a pictures imposes. But here, have another if you're so picky.

knowing my relatives i'm glad i don't have to live in a multigenerational household

>>16540407
you are enslaved by images and representations anon learn to set yourself free

>>16540414
You're just unale to enjoy the smallthings in life, you ar blinded by nihilism to the degree that you can't even appreciate a peacfull scene.

And another.

>>16537306
>>16537354
The nuclear family with the pater familias is a widdled down remnant of the notion of blood relations and kinship, it's probably the most traditionalist thing we still have around these days. It and the papacy.

>>16540497
>The nuclear family with the pater familias is a widdled down remnant of the notion of blood relations and kinship, it's probably the most traditionalist thing we still have around these days. It and the papacy.

>>16540542
Yes.

>>16537849
fucking americans man

>>16537947
ty for good post

You LARPers don't know what you're talking about. Parents, family, and friends are indispensable when raising children. Finding a community that will act as a safety net is vital. When you have a kid, there's a tendency to turn inward, to surround yourself with the tight cluster that is your soulless, hyper-consumist, epistemologically nihilist nuclear family. The nuclear family is the worst idea ever. Build on your extended family; build an extended network of people you can rely on.
>>16540542
Scripture clearly uses the extended family in a variety of ways: as a section of society, as a means and object of blessings, and as a jurisdictional unit. There doesn't even seem to be a word that one can use, in Hebrew, whose meaning is limited to nuclear. There seem to be literally dozens of words that one can use to refer to the extended family of various sizes and qualifications, but none that are used to mean just man, woman, and underage children. Also the Papacy is cringe, heretical and non-biblical.

>>16538027
>criticize dumbfuckery
>hurr durr you must be a leftie!
literal 10iq

>>16537306
This, fuck off OP.

>>16538125
then read jean borella and wolfgang smith after you read guenon

>>16537306
fbbp

>>16541121
>fbbp
first bot, best post?

>>16537541
>Haha guys here's a few examples of gay people in ancient Greece. This means all Greeks were GAY guys LOL. TRAD KEKS DESTROYED HA GOT EM!

>>16542201
seethe. cope. dilate.

>>16537306
It sure is, and five or six generations into the future we will be considered traditionalist (those of us who are not deplorable degenerates trying to force change into society)

>>16537354
Nuclear family is not modern except in name alone

>>16540604
I was raised in a nuclear family (mom dad two sisters in same household) and despite that we still interacted with extended family

I know ALL my first cousins, five second cousins, four third cousins and a couple that are so distant I don’t even know their exact relation, multiple aunts uncles from both parents, I knew their aunts and uncles as well, and this relationship with them all is more than meeting once a year, handful of businesses owned by various family and they’re all nothing but kin working at them

You can be raised in a nuclear family and still have contact with extended family, don’t be absurd.

>>16542343
You don’t understand the argument, liberal.

>>16542378
I do have relatives that were not raised in nuclear family though, relatives I see multiple times a week at work

Except their issue was their parents were pieces of shit so other family had to raise them

>>16542386
When you claim nuclear family is modernist and I tell you it’s not then what is your argument then?

>>16542408
It's been made like a dozen times in the thread already you illiterate nigger, scroll up
The very origins of the phrase "nuclear family" were part of a modernist movement to leave traditional tight-knit extended families behind and sell real estate to atomized suburbanites
>>16542378
>Well here's one example of it not being that big of a deal
Why do you think this matters when we're talking about massive societal trends changing over centuries? Do you have any idea how many retirement homes have been built in America since 1945?

>>16537541
Just me and my homie engaging in some recreational sodomy before we go home to our wives and children

>>16537306
I don’t mind trad stuff but I fucking hate this 50’s artificial ass painting they just come off as corny as hell

>>16539404
>I think this might be a fair interpretation but it leaves unga bunga return to monke as the only "pure" traditionalism in our modern world.
The ones who have the most traditionalists way of life are communal, not class based. They do not live in the wage labor society. Wage labor is completely antithetical to tradition. Yet internet "trads" think they can achieve tradition in a wage labor society. Only thing they will achieve is an appearance of tradition, making dollars for the Capitalists who will sell them this tradition.

only two people ITT even know what Tradition is

>>16538111
cringe

>>16542386
kys tranny

>>16537306
Excellent comment. Traditionalism is not bland.

>>16543353
it happens to be true

THIS is real traditionalism.

>>16537296

>>16544468
Exactly. A tribe, an extended family, all pulling together.

>>16537788
Yikes

>>16537891
Oh well then this never existed. Lol

>>16544468
https://youtu.be/CWu29PRCUvQ

>>16537896
Ouch. That's gonna hurt the tradcucks.
It's was not even sold. Atomization exist because in wage labor based production, production is not shared among the worker, and your salary is you own, and your own only. As opposed to communal production, or patriarchal family, where everybody produced for the whole, and the whole took care of the needs of everybody.
There is not ideology to have. Wage labor IS atomization, and is going toward women and child as family, and then, no family at all. Every wage worker is a single unit, separated from the rest, without any community.

>>16540407
What's that wooden thing coming out of the ceiling? Looks like a place to dry cloths?

>>16540407
Comfy pic. I miss big conversations with my family. Too bad my dad is going senile... it's hard to have a good conversation with him around since he ruins everything. :(

>>16545064
>Every wage worker is a single unit, separated from the rest, without any community.
Been starting to feel that. I make enough money to not need to talk to / need anyone ever in my life. Blessing and a curse I guess.

>>16545116
You don't need a family, you have amazon, ubereats, netflix