/lit/ - Literature

>>16489486
>sea peoples

>>16489486
so everything follows and nothing is original, great idea retard

>>16489486
You should add Gustavo Bueno, maybe add the "Materialists" category, or add him on Philosophy of Science/Political philosophy.
He created whole a philosophical system after all.

>>16489508
>he hasn't read the sea peoples canon in their sanskrit language

>>16489486
Carl Hempel and Rudolf Carnap should be in with philosophers of science. And can someone explain the 'cozy cabin crew', those three are not really closely associated. They shouldn't be considered a group like the church fathers or stoics.

>>16489486
>Nick Land
Into the garbage it goes.

>>16489609
i like to think this is the same anon reposting this every thread

>>16489520
No, the sea peoples are original

>>16489606
>those three are not really closely associated
filtered

>>16489615
I plan on resuming now that we know Land's alive :)

>>16489625
its nonsensical to put them into a group like that. Decide if you want this to be some dumb meme chart with the 'magic school bus' or an actual informative graph. ridding the line like you are is not helping anything.

>>16489486
>one must imagine the chart maker happy
kek.

good on you pal.

>>16489586
>He thinks the sea people are indo-aryan
when will you horsefuckers learn.

>>16489486
What is the reasoning behind including some poets and historians but not others? Horace for example surely had philosophical themes to his poems but no one intelligent would consider him one of Rome's philosophers.

Wolff>Kierkegaard
I've read that he was a major part of family discussion when Kierk was young. The rationalists generally, but Wolff in particular.

You should add Gadamer and put a line from Heidegger onto Gadamer and then Gadamar should have a line to Rorty

>>16489679
I'm sprinkling in some people that aren't necessarily philosophers but are relevant to the /lit/ zeitgeist like Horace, Junger, Peterson, and Geunon.

>>16489691
>Heidegger -> Gadamer
>Gadamer -> Rorty
?

>>16489708
Yeah my bad, didn't see the format

>>16489656
it's going to be a juxtaposed conflict between seriousness and meme bullshit just like /lit/

I have a problem with Guenon and Evola being walled off and consigned to a meme category. Evola needs a line from Nietzsche and from Heidegger and a line to Dugin

>>16489486
Philo represents the apex of Jewish-Hellenistic syncretism. His work attempts to combine Plato and Moses into one philosophical system.[23] His ethics were strongly influenced by Aristotelianism and Stoicism,

and Philo may have influenced greatly Paul and some Church Fathers, early Christianity as a whole

Throw Herder, Schiller, and Goethe into a box together for Weimar Classicism, then draw a direct line from Spinoza.

>>16489486
Why did you remove the rainbow dildo?

>>16489853
he wants people to stop calling it a meme but its too late now

>>16489486
Hey OP, I’m the anon who recommended the Russians box, and you should change it slightly:
Move Turgenev beyond the Hegel line, since he most directly pulled their influence in. Then have a line from him to Dosto, and one from Dosto to Tolstoy. This might be the most accurate way of doing it.
I.e. (Hegel) • ———> Dosto
|. |. V
Pushkin — | —> Tugenev —> Tolstoy

>>16489909
Ignore the scribble art, it didn’t really work out; here it is:

>>16489629
>caring about Land dying
Into the garbage you go.

>>16489922

>>16489853
>>16489869

if it gets enough votes -- the dildo goes back in

>>16490483
nevermind lol people are talking about printing this out IRL

>>16489835
High IQ rec

>>16489708
>>16489606
>>16489523
done

>>16489687
saved

>>16489770
Done

>>16489486
'French epistemology', subcategory of philosophy of science: Brunschvicg -> (Bachelard -> Canguilhem) & Koyré & Cavaillès.
Koyré influenced Kuhn, while Bachelard and Canguilhem influenced Foucault and Althusser (Cavaillès for the latter too).
Out of Kuhn, Lakatos, & Feyerabend (but also Foucault) -> Ian Hacking.

>>16490508
Don't forget the influence of Hamann on Herder

bump

>>16489486
1/? Italian here. That's a very nice map, I like what you're doing, but for some reason /lit/ thinks Italian philosophy never existed. I will therefore suggest mainly Italian philosophers, and a few from antiquity.

>Iamblichus
First of all I see there are no links between Pythagoras and the Neoplatonists, a flaw that makes the map incomplete. Iamblichus was a philosopher of the 3rd century, and he had the merit to bring Pythagorean doctrines back into Neoplatonist circles. He wrote an important "Life of Pythagoras" and other fragments that have been collected together recently in an Italian edition of 1000 pages with the title "Summa pitagorica". He also wrote the "Egyptian mysteries", a seminal work for us to comprehend the ancient doctrines of Egypt.

>Proclus
Byzantine philospher of the 5th century, he perfected Neoplatonism by commenting and studying the works of Plato. His "Theologia Platonica" (a volume of 1300 pages in the Italian annotated edition) represents the summa of Platonic metaphysics in the early Christian world. He must be added under Porphyry with a link from Plotinus.

>Angela of Foligno
Franciscan mystic, she had visions and revelations that have been handed down to us through a beautiful book called "The Book of Experience". Must be added under Francis and Clara (simply write Angela).

>Bernardino Telesio
Renaissance naturalist philosopher from southern Italy, he was one of the first in Europe to refuse the authority of abstract reason as a means for knowledge, and exalted, instead, sensory percepetion. He was one of the most important door-openers for the scientific method, and as such he must be added under Bruno in the column with Montaigne and Erasmus.

>Tommaso Campanella
Very complex thinker, he wrote about theology, astrology, magic, and was persecuted by the Roman Church. His most important book is "The City of the Sun", an utopia similar to that of More. He needs to appear next to More in the Anti-Reformation category.

>Magic School Bus (kek)
Please, add Guido De Giorgio and Giuliano Kremmerz. The former was a traditionalist philospher and occultist, famous for his book "The Roman Tradition", similar (but better) to "Revolt against the Modern World" by Evola and "The Crisis of the Modern World" by Guenon. He also wrote about magic in the Ur Group ("Introduction to Magic"), and made esoteric studies on Dante. Giuliano Kremmerz, on the other hand, was a pure occultist, he was also part of the Ur Group but stands out for a huge work on magic called "The Science of Magi" (four volumes, 2000 pages).

Another traditionalist philosopher (but not occultist) was Elémire Zolla. Just like Spengler, Evola, Guenon and De Giorgio he also wrote an anti-modern-world tome, called "What is Tradition", which is truly excellent. He is also highly regarded in Italy for his studies on Oriental doctrines (hindu in particular) and for a huge annotated compilation of Western mystics in two volumes ("The Western mystics").

>>16489486
There is that Jewish Italian philosopher who killed himself at 23 or something after finishing his magnum opus. He influenced Evola if I remember it right.

>>16490534
thanks anon, this is one of the only decent things lit has done is a long time

Highlighting OP guideline

>HOW TO RECOMMEND:
"Category Z
A -> B
B -> C
C -> D
C -> E

blah blah E is important to Z because A and B blah blah"


>HOW NOT TO RECOMMEND:
Copy and pasting lists of names
Huge paragraph of text

>>16489486
This list is useful to no one, its so fucking bad
holy shit, who gives a fuck about these little name boxes all randomly laid out across a single image? Delete this image and break your computer

is this a meme or no

>>16491392
2/? Elémire Zolla should be added next to Evola and Guenon as a traditionalist thinker, but it would be fine also next to Spengler. Also, why isn't there a link between Spengler and Evola/Guenon? Seems wrong to me. Evola, Guenon, De Giorgio and Kremmerz were indeed occultists, but they also wrote against the present and modern age.

Another question: hasn't any Frenchie suggested Canseliet, Fulcanelli, Schwaller de Lubicz, etc? All these alchemists and occultists in general were amazing thinkers and they should appear in the map if we accept the presence of a "Magic School Bus".

>Giacomo Leopardi
It is really beyond me how you can neglect the author of the 3000 pages of the Zibaldone. Leopardi was probably the greatest romantic author along with Goethe, and his genius expressed itself both in poetry and philosophy. He must be added under Goethe and Schiller and there needs to be a line linking him to Schopenhauer, because Schopie was highly influenced by Leopardi's pessimism and he even explicitly said this in his works.

>Benedetto Croce
One of the most important Italian philsophers, he expanded Hegel's idealism into a system of modern liberal politics, as well as into innovative theories of history and aesthetics (very controversial is the book "On Poetry", where he shits on 3/4 of European poets, including Dante). He was nominated for the Nobel prize 16 times. He definitely must be added in the map as an epigone of German idealism, with a link from Hegel.

>Giovanni Gentile
The main theorist of Fascism. His ideas on politics and metaphysics draw from Hegel, and even if he was a Fascist he became an important source of inspiration for Gramsci. He must be added close to Benedetto Croce.

>Giorgio Colli
If you had to find one (1) philosopher perfectly comparable to Nietzsche, that would be Colli. Apart from the fact that Colli was the first and only scholar in the entire Europe to organize a complete critical edition of Nietzsche's works (even the fragments, notebooks, letters, shopping lists and everything), he was also a philologist of ancient Greeks and developed his own philosophy which is very original but also highly influenced by Nietzsche. His famous works are "Philosophy of Expression", "Superhuman philosophers", "The birth of philosophy" and "The wandering reason".

>Carlo Michelstaedter
Young Italian philosopher, philologist and poet also influenced by Nietzsche, he killed himself at 23 years old. He left a long essay entitled "Persuasion and rethoric", recently translated into English. I highly recommend creating a new box for Nietzsche's epigones, in which you should add at least Michelstaedter and Colli (but there are others; for example the French Klossowski).

>>16489909
>Herzen
>Berdayev
>Solovyov
This could be put in as well. Probably some others.

>>16491585
3/3 (I hope)
>Antonio Rosmini
Huge Catholic thinker who wrote thousands of pages in the fields of Moral Philosophy, Philosophy of Mind, Metaphysics, Epistemology, Theodicy, Natural Theology, Political Philosophy, Education and more. Alessandro Manzoni, another Catholic author (romantic poet, novelist, playwright, but also philosopher) said that Rosmini was the only Italian philosopher of his age worth reading. This is not true because there was Leopardi as well, but both Rosmini and Manzoni are two important philosophers and should appear in the map. Why isn't there a box for modern Christian thinkers?

>Ernesto De Martino
Anthropologist and historian of religions, he studied magic phenomenology in southern Italian popular cultures ("Primitive magic", "The Land of Remorse", "Magic: a theory from the South"). As a philosopher, his major work is "The End of the World", in which he studied the concept of apocalypse in human culture from the beginning of time to the present age. My suggestion is to add De Martino under Levi-Strauss and Mauss for his important works on magic and primitive culture.

>Massimo Cacciari
>Giorgio Agamben
>Emanuele Severino
The three most important Italian philosophers of today according to multiple sources. Severino, in particular, was defined as "the greatest thinker of the 20th century along with Heidegger". Unfortunately I haven't read much by them, except for a couple books by Cacciari. Cacciari is a political thinker and a scholar of the Renaissance, he wrote important books about the concept of Europe and European Union, but also studies on the Bible (check out "The Withholding Power"), on Italian and German humanists, on Heidegger, Wittgenstein and much else. Both Cacciari and Severino should be linked to Heidegger, because they were both influenced by him. It's more difficult to find a category for Agamben, partly because I haven't read him (the Italian edition of "Homo Sacer" is 1370 pages long), partly because he is a very independent thinker. Maybe we can put his name isolated, like it was done for Land, Zizek and Ellul?

>>16491526
you actually might be mentally ill mate

>>16489486
new design kinda made it lose its edge and coolness. also the sea peoples joke was funny as an influence to thales cause he said everything is made of water, not as an influence to presocratics in general, but with all the boxes and clean fancy design now it'd look weird to make it such

>>16492912
also homer obviously influenced presocratics and every single greek, not just socrates and friends

>>16489853
OP sold out and is now making a political correct reddit chart to get upvotes on r/faggotism

>>16489486
Fromm is missing from the Frankfurt School

>>16489486
Sandel is ommitted. Also, the inclusion of Brennan is based, thank you for that.

>>16489486
Avicenna to Aquinas and Ockham in the Medieval category.

Avicennian logic heavily influenced Ockham, Aciennian metaphysics influenced Aquinas.

Proof: https://iep.utm.edu/avicenna/#H5 (for metaphysics)

Proof: In Summa Logicae, Ockhams work on Logic.

>>16492957
Nah fuck reddit

>>16491704
The thing with Agamben, at least that's the impression I get, is that he can discuss and draw from almost all the major and minor continental philosophers, without being a mere derivative thinker. That said, I'd say his major influences are Heidegger, Benjamin, and Foucault, as well as rereading Aristotle.

>>16489486
Not a fan of 'Sea Peoples' cause the joke implies Thales actually started the chain when he was influenced by egypt/persian/indian thought. Should be something like 'eastern philosophers'.

>>16494002
>Should be something like 'eastern philosophers'.
Lmfao may as well go full leftypol OP the chart turend to shit anyway

>>16490486
Then go ask your friends about recomendations and stop spamming it here and use /lit/ to make friends

>>16494002
This is OP. No I'm not vaguely adding "eastern philosophers" before the entire western canon lmao

>>16491526
This.
This has all been done before, and much more exhaustively/better.
Just connecting people is utterly arbitrary. It says nothing about why, the nature of influence, the shared or dissimilar aspects, etc.
I literally saw a dude in high school fill up a board with this type of shit.

One day you will actually read people like Auerbach, Wolin, Lovejoy, Taylor, Copleston, Durant, etc.—you know, actual thinkers who don’t just build some shitty little chart, but explore the connections and ideas, the waves of nuance, etc.

Besides, there are also charts, wikis, Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy, etc.—stuff that covers all this, just way better.

Jesus Christ this is some pleb, pseud bullshit. Of course you will charge on, unwilling to do any actual work that would build on those that came before you or help advance our general through in any way. What a waste of time.

>>16494530
Why does it make you do angry? These threads are fun and informative, what more are you hoping for and why aren't you just doing it yourself?

>>16494530
OP Here. This will be the only time I respond to criticism because I'd rather spend time building something with /lit/'s help.

Connecting people isn't arbitrary. It states primary/general influence. So outright in your response it's obvious you're a fucking idiot.

I want to learn more about Philosophy. I have depth on disparate philosophers but am lacking breadth. Why not make a chart as a way of learning? Why not ask /lit/ if they want to join along?

MAKING something is a better form of learning than rote memorizing Wikipedia or another chart. But you wouldn't know because you probably haven't made anything in your fucking life besides student debt payments. Fuck off.

The only thing psued is your shit pretentious aura.

>>16494479
its not "eastern philosophers" its before east and west

>>16494586
>>16494608
I mean, fair points, no idea why I care if plebs waste their time or not.
Have fun, good luck, may your chart touch infinity.

>>16489486
I haven't followed these threads and I don't know if it has been posted before, but this might help you:

http://coppelia.io/2012/06/graphing-the-history-of-philosophy/

>>16494740
This chart is already better then OP's chart, just give it up.

>>16489486
Hegel & Marx > Kojeve
Kojeve > Sartre, Lacan, Bataille

Kojeve gave seminars on Hegel at the Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes in France was was a huge influence on the french intellectual world.

"He was conversant with Tibetan dialects, quantum mechanics, Russian mysticism, art history, and a wide range of other topics. And he was the most respected and feared individual in the Parisian philosophical world" - Stanley Rosen

To not have him on this list is a pretty big hole imo. He also had a lot of influence on Leo Strauss, for what it's worth (though they disagreed on just about everything)

Mirandola should appear as 'Pico'. That was his actual surname, Mirandola is just the place where he was born. A little suggestion eh, then you do what you want.

>>16494479
Okay, indo-aryan, whatever. Thales was not the sole originator of his thought. I don't like the constant implication that the Greeks developed their shit out of a vacuum.

>>16495851
Should also add this can fix Evola and Guenon floating in their own space.

>>16494740
>http://coppelia.io/2012/06/graphing-the-history-of-philosophy/
>>16494806
Content-wise sure. Use-ability? No. Guess which one is more important

>>16492881
you might be a pleb

>>16494586
Cope. None of this could possibly be informative unless you've never seen these names before

>>16496900
>>16492881
>>16491526
I dont know why I found this order of responses so funny +1 my friends

>>16494608
Cope. If you want to learn more about philosophy then fucking READ, youre not doing anything other than reading names on a computer screen without any context

Imagine being this mad that anons are having fun.

>>16496929
yeah, being completely clueless must be fun

>>16496929
Cope

Create a fuckin box for thomism and link it to aristotle. And a box for neothomism as well. (Garrigou-Lagrange, Feser, Odenberg, etc)

>>16495861
might as well start with 'the Tradition' as the origin, then...

Lev Shestov: influenced by Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky; influence on Bataille, Cioran, Bulgakov, Berdyaev.

bump

>>16489486
Keep going OP this is good; something we've all thought of doing yet never has anyone executed it so well and taken it so far

Looking forward to see whether being the best attempt will be good enough to be a good attempt

>>16495851
Stop posting

>>16496924
OP is doing this chart for his normie friends. Just hide and move on

>>16500745
Fuck yourself, faggot. I see no good reason a valid link to the non-west should be given as a start if OP is going to credit a start at all from Thales.

>>16489486
It would be nice to see proficient logical insight and less omphaloskepsis running rampant in the Classical Age. Whimsical Philosophy is cool for physics dropouts and schoolchildren, but if you don't add Newton I'm going to chuck an entire basket of apples at you. Newton single-handedly ended the Mind-Body problem for humanity. How isn't that a philosophical achievement?
+Strabo and +Eratosthenes for the sake of breaking the obfuscations of the Aether and performing actual philosophical endeavors in shaping latitudes... literal locations within the Great Big Ball of Ontology. And what's the deal withholding Chomsky? Certainly, he deserves a place on the linguist's list alongside his brethren.

A static picture helps no one, you need a website that allows the user to generate those images based on a topic of choice

>>16500891
you sound really smart, but since you were apparently incapable of reading how to recommend names be added, i have to assume it's a trick

Guénon should at least have a line coming from Aristotle

>>16500918
No, I saw it. I just felt my candidates required an introduction through prose. Seems more helpful than Gödelian arguments which seem vapid and unappreciative unless we are all working under the same framework. Which we aren't. Which is why I used words. 8)

bump

>>16489486
Whitehead isn't an analytic philosopher

>>16500820
philosophy is exlusively a western phenomenon. whatever your tiny brain fantasizes about "eastern philosophy" only exists in your mind. philosophy = western.

>trying to build a tree, and not a rhizome

>>16489486

Please take Johann Georg Hamann out of the "counter-enlightenment" section. All relevant secondary scholarship and literature (along with any serious reading of the period) will show Hamann as a highly *critical* supporter of the notion of the enlightenment.

Hamann's obscurity and tenebrous stylistics were a parody of the self-reflexive and narcissistic claims to erudition of critiks like Lessing or the Berlin school. Combine this with his notion of the communicatio idiomatum and the notion of Christ's *light* in the NT and you'll see that what he's trying to do in criticism of secular enlighteners like Kant &c. is to demonstrate that real enlightenment comes from Christian revelation and the guiding light of faith.

The far too prevalent characterisation of Hamann as a counter-Enlightenment figure like de Maistre comes from Isaiah Berlin's idiotic book on Hamann, Herder and Vico (wherein you'll see him make an implicit link between such figures and Nazism, lol). If you read the letters of his admirers and contemporaries (those to Kant, Herder, mentions by Goethe, Hegel and others) you'll begin to actually see what kind of a figure he constituted for the 18th Century Germans and Classicists that followed.

I recommend Betz's "After Enlightenment" (excellent), Osvald Bayer's monograph, the Cambridge History of Philosophy translation (beware some of the translations from the Latin and Greek), and J. O' Flaherty's magisterial commentary and translation of the
Sokratische Denkwürdigkeiten.

>>16502009
That's unfathomably retarded and besides the point.

look up i don't want to be like all these other pseuds and retards attacking you and belittling you, I admire the effort you seem to be putting into the project and I'm sure a lot of people on this website will appreciate it, but this is still a very stupid way of thinking about the development of philosophy and visualizing it.

>>16502560
The real chart is the effortposts we made along the way.

>>16502576
this is what i've been thinking,
i wouldn't want OP to stop posting these threads simply because the replies and corrections are actually informative
still, i'd be embarassed if op put "from /lit/" on his chart and passed it around the web

>>16502592
I see no reason to be embarrassed by it. It'll be an accurate piece of work, if not wondrously precise.

>>16502595
it won't but there's no way it could be
what is embarassing is not the chart itself but the fact that someone would think this is an accurate way of portraying philosophy

>>16489486
>Kirpke

>>16500891
This is a philosophy list and not a scientist list you fucking faggot bitch

>>16500891
>Newton single-handedly ended the Mind-Body problem for humanity.
You stupid?

>>16502518
Thales was the first philosopher, and his only relevant inspiration was Homer. Fuck off with your subhuman non-European civilisations and historical revisionism based on pretending apes had a culture. You can see the "eastern culture" in the Greco-Persian wars where the "eastern thinkers" are mongoloid barbarians who lose despite outnumbering 10:1 at least. There's nothing worth mentioning from the east in terms of intellectual achievements. But OP's chart is terrible so it's irrelevant if he adds them or not.

>>16502667
Mid-east, Indian and east-asian thought has had a long independent history in every branch of philosophy. Western academics have long acknowledged this and the crossover influences on the west throughout time. Thales had influence and study from the Egyptians and Babylonians.

>>16503323
Are we calling Egypt part of the East now?

>>16503332
Technically it is, yes.

>>16503345
That's absurd, it's directly to the south of europe.

>>16489486
Can we put the Philistines in there instead of "sea peoples"? That's who the sea peoples were I'm pretty sure.

>>16503349
It's formally considered mid-east. It's more about the cultural divide than the geographic. No one would actually consider Egypt part of the 'western world'.

>>16502009
What

>>16502667
Most presocratics were turkish and egyptian philosophy had such a huge influence on them, the sophists and socrates (see hermes trimestigus).

How anyone can believe in some guy who stood up and just made philosophy from thin air is beyond me.

>>16503349
The West is defined by its culture, not its geography.

>>16503427
>Most presocratics were turkish

>>16503427
>Most presocratics were turkish
Give some examples

Nietzsche -> Spengler

>Iamblichus
>Julian
>Themistius
>Proclus
>Philoponus
>Simplicius
>Olympiodorus
Etc
Also Stoicism comes from Socrates and Plato.
>Cicero (Platonist influenced by Stoicism), Plutarch, Alcinous, Clement of Alexandria, Philo of Alexandria, Sextus Empiricus, Galen, Maximus the Confessor...

>>16503368
More like became.

>>16503427
>some guy who stood up and just made philosophy from thin air
*thin water

>>16503427
Nice shitpost

>>16489486
>Homer, an Ionian
>Hesiod, an Eolian
>Sea peoples
Ionian and Eolians weren't sea peoples? Am I right? why did you put sea peoples there then?

some of these posts..
the idiot who made the iq per board chart is spinning in his grave

>>16502009
>retarded boomer opinion
ngmi

Anyone notice how OP bailed on us?

>>16505793
He gave up, he ran out of autism

>>16505793
>>16505849
No just doing a screentime detox this weekend + reading

This will probably be one big update per thread unless people start recommending good category change like before

>>16502009
>>16502518
I think the debate would be settled if people could qualify exact "Eastern Philosophers" -- I want to say their influence merely secondary rather then some weird revisionist "all of western thought 'achstually' comes from eastern people" nonsense that's peddled

>>16503427
>Most presocratics were turkish

>>16503427
>Most presocratics were turkish

>>16503427
Wow what a silly mistake. Alright I fixed it.

>>16504839
>Ethnic Group
>Achaean & Arcadian, Aeolian, Dorian, Ionian
Those are not ethnic groups

>>16504839
>Ethnic Group
>Achaean / Arcadian, Aeolian, Dorian, Ionian
Those are not ethnic groups

>>16489486
Taleb should be in with the philosophers of science. He's less of a meme than Land and Moldbug

>>16507075
Yes they are
>>16504839
What the fuck are you asking?

>>16505510
Kill yourself brainlet

>>16489486
Pogchamp
Love the chart

>>16503427

They were from Anatolia. Turks didn't move there until much later and named the land after their people, hence Turkey.

You're a moron if you don't understand the difference.

>>16507524
demented racist fag

>>16508727
fuck off subhuman

>>16503323
>Thales had influence and study from the Egyptians and Babylonians.
Post the fragments, I want to read this Babylonian philosophy you speak of

>>16508835
go fuck your mother

>>16507534
ok, wrong. got it. they werent the turkic ethnic group, just in the territory.
i was responding to a comment about philosophy being white, were the anatolians white? for that matter, were the presocratics white?

>>16502493
This seems like it could be very contentious. I'm convinced but it would be interesting to get another perspective. Maybe an "After Enlightenment" category heh

>>16502576
>>16502592
I'd settle for this meta. I make a dumb chart for myself and other plebs. /lit/ gets some good content and discourse.

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>>16492912
>>16491190 (saved the Foucault relations, might move philosophers of science above the analytical section so i can tie into continental better)
done.

>>16500936
done. will add hinduism/buddhism later

>>16498852
saved for later

>>16497600
need more info

>>16491392
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>>16491704
I appreciate the high effort Italian anon. I've saved all three of your posts and will go through them when I have a little more time this week.

>>16492957
gotta add content before you make it a meme

>>16492912
nah trust me once all the categories are in place, ill add the insane amount of cross-category relationships back in and itll look like a schizo /lit/ dream again

>>16510434
Categories come first otherwise every change I make has an exponential amount of relationships to tweak/modify

>>16510408
Hahaha the anon post screenshot. Still though, no dildo = fuck you for compromising

>>16510408
Logographers and Herodotus were influenced by Homer too. Their history was half myths half history, so they'd take a lot of their history from Homer as it was considered the central text. Herodotus even quotes Homer several times to establish the veracity of various events. I don't think the chart really emphasies how enormously Homer's figure was looming over the entire Ancient Greek culture. Think about it, Greeks were making political decisions regarding land ownership based on Homer's Catalogue of Ships, and people like Cleisthenes of Sicyon banned rhapsodist contests so they stop reciting Homer and glorify Argives cause he was at war with Argos.

>>16510408
Schopenhauer -----> Nietzsche

>Nietzsche is heavily influence/a reaction to Schopenh. In his Egotism in German Philosophy, Santayana claimed that Nietzsche's whole philosophy was a reaction to Schopenhauer. Santayana wrote that Nietzsche's work was "an emendation of that of Schopenhauer. The will to live would become the will to dominate; pessimism founded on reflection would become optimism founded on courage; the suspense of the will in contemplation would yield to a more biological account of intelligence and taste; finally in the place of pity and asceticism (Schopenhauer's two principles of morals) Nietzsche would set up the duty of asserting the will at all costs and being cruelly but beautifully strong. These points of difference from Schopenhauer cover the whole philosophy of Nietzsche."

>In 1865, Nietzsche thoroughly studied the works of Arthur Schopenhauer. He owed the awakening of his philosophical interest to reading Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation and later admitted that Schopenhauer was one of the few thinkers whom he respected, dedicating the essay "Schopenhauer as Educator" in the Untimely Meditations to him.

>A trained philologist, Nietzsche had a thorough knowledge of Greek philosophy. He read Kant, Plato, Mill, Schopenhauer and Spir, who became the main opponents in his philosophy, and later Baruch Spinoza, whom he saw as his "precursor" in many respects but as a personification of the "ascetic ideal" in others. However, Nietzsche referred to Kant as a "moral fanatic", Plato as "boring", Mill as a "blockhead", and of Spinoza, he said: "How much of personal timidity and vulnerability does this masquerade of a sickly recluse betray?" He likewise expressed contempt for British author George Eliot.

>>16511457
This. Op should show influence from Homer to traditional greek religious live (but how to show it idk) and to logographers (and Herodotus) rather than to Normie Greeks box (Socrates, Plato, Aristotle) because Homer and Hesiod were important in establishing religious worldwiew in classical greek period. Philosophical worldwiew is always developed in times of social crisis (and ancient Greece was in crisis almost all the time) when people start to doubt that everything is ''normal'' so philosophy is always in some way critical worldwiew that is looking for solutions to problems. Normie philosophy is oxymoron. Remember that Socrates was accused and killed for his ''atheism'', Plato was imprisoned by despots and Aristotle was teacher of Alexander the Great who (with his father...) irreversibly broken city-states system and established new political system where oriental culture and greek culture influenced each other. I would not call these philosophers ''normies''. Homer was one of aoidos so there should be influence: aoidos --> Homer --> rhapsodist (also Hesiod -->rhapsodists). Socrates was influenced by sophists and by eclectis physicists (Diogenes of Apollonia, Archelaos of Athens).

>>16511666
*eclectic physicists

>>16489486
Kant -> Pragmatism:
Peirce, James, Dewey, Schiller -> (Van Orman) Quine, Talisse

>>16489486
>Empiricism, Kant -> Pragmatism
>Pragmatism: Peirce, James, Dewey, Schiller, -> (van Orman) Quine, Talisse
sorry for badgering you about this

>>16510408
>I appreciate the high effort Italian anon. I've saved all three of your posts and will go through them when I have a little more time this week.
You're welcome, and thank you too.

>>16511542
Nietzsche also read Leopardi.
Leopardi ---> Schopenhauer ---> Nietzsche

you could also put a rating of relevance to each one or make an highlight on the most relevants

Why can't we make lists of names? They could be useful if other anons helped tracing the links and finding the relationships of influence.

i'm making a chart myself in chronological order with dates. it will cover the church since the early church, philosophy, modern science and the magical bus

i recommend op (and anyone interested) to check these:
http://kevinscharp.com/Sociology%20of%20Philosophy%20(Western)%203.1%20%20(part%201).jpg
http://kevinscharp.com/Sociology%20of%20Philosophy%20(Western)%203.1%20%20(part%202).jpg

Why is Turgenev not included in the sphere of being influenced by Hegel?
He literally was in germany and studied german idealists, indcluding Hegel.
he even mentions him frequently in his works.
>Why does it say peterson there. I dont remember a relevant Peterson, only a JBPeterson losers cared about.

>>16511666
Normie Greeks is probably just a joke, not disrespectful--just a playful nudge that they're the most popular. Including Aoidos is not aesthetic tho, it's better that the chart begins with Homer than with a super obscure group of singers we know absolutely nothing about.

Where are the French philosophers of science? You can’t get what Foucault/Derrida/Althusser/Lacan/etc did with the human sciences without what Bachelard, Koyre, and Canguilhem did with the physical sciences.
Throw Comte in there as well.

>>16489486
Philosophy PhD here. A few secondary names missing if you’re interested.

Boethius and Isidore of Seville should be just above the medieval box.
Bonaventure, Maester Eckhart and Jean Burdian make sense in the medieval box and Francisco Suarez could follow Aquinas too. St. Dominic should be next to Ignatius of Loyola. Don’t know why there is no St. Benedict either.
Zwingli and Melanchthon ought to be in the reformation. John of the Cross in the counter reformation.
Bayle is another rationalist. Paine, De Condocert and Diderot are enlightenment.
Jeremy Bentham should be next to Mill as a utilitarian.
Tarski should be next to Cantor.
De Beauviour should be in the existentialist section. Or maybe you could have a feminism section with wollenstonecraft to De Beauvoir to Irigay to Kristeva to Butler.
Paul Grice and David Lewis should be in the language section.
Barthes should also come out of structuralism.
You could have a metaphysics box extending out of the analytic box too. Notable names there are William V.O. Quine to Donald Davidson to Hilary Putnam and Michael Dummet to David Chalmers. Nelson Goldman and John McDowell would be at the side.
Agamben could go next to Zizek.

>>16515063
If you are interested I can do the Islamic and Orthodox traditions too, which would tie into the western chart easily, as well as eastern philosophy - Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Tibetan etc. Maybe also economics, modern Christians, logicians etc. etc.

>>16489486
Is normie bad? Also,
>magic school bus
kek

>>16515175
Do it anon

>>16515175
>do the Islamic
no
>>16515175
>as eastern philosophy - Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Tibetan etc. M
no
>>16515175
>so economics
yes>>16515175
>modern Christians
errrrr>>16515175
>logicians e
yes

>>16514729
They're there. >>16510408

>>16489486
Philosophers of science:
Susan Haack, Ian Hacking, Bas Van Fraassen.

There is a lot of cross over between philosophy of language and philosophy of mind, but the essential PoM people you don’t have are David Chalmers, Thomas Nagel, Ned Block, Paul/Patricia Churchland, Donald Davidson*, Hilary Putnam*, and Jerry Fodor. I marked the one’s especially important for language as well. I’d personally put Dennett in the Phil of Mind box, rather than the science box, but I don’t think that choice is indefensible.


Four huge names you don’t have are Rudolph Carnap, Wilfred Sellars, WVO Quine and Alain Badiou. Carnap, Quine, and Sellars would fit in the analytical box, and Badiou could reasonably be placed as coming after Deleuze. Considering who else you included I’m surprised you missed Quine, he’s a contented for most important philosopher of the 20th century.

Sellars would have a whole box coming after him, but the most important names are Robert Brandom and John McDowell.

Next to Sartre you should include Merleau-Ponty, and Levinas

If you wanted to get into really contemporary stuff you could also include the speculative realists, all of whom could be placed as coming from Deleuze.

It would make more sense on this chart to locate psychoanalysis closer to the continental stuff, because it kind of jams up your analytical tree, and historically there has been little cross over between them. All the frankfurters, Foucault, deleuze, Badiou, Zizek etc are all influenced by psychoanalysis. Zizek is directly a Lacanian, while Deleuze’s most important books were large scale critiques and reformulations of Lacanian thought.


Other essential psychoanalysts include Bion, Adler, Laing, Rank, and Klein. Lacan was in part responding to the work of Bion and especially Klein.

No AJ Ayer in the analytics?

>>16515288
This isn't me (OP)

>>16515175
I agree with him though. This is primarily Western thought.

>>16511440
fair compromise.

>>16511457
>>16511666
>>16512242
>>16512242 Ok fine Talisse, I'll add you
>>16514729
>>16515833
done

>>16514048
Relatinships + Names > Names on their own

>>16514406
Wow what software?

>>16514467
Fixed and agreed about Peterson

>>16515783
>>16515063
in progress

>>16515063
>>16515175
I'm down for the Economics, Modern Christians, Logicians. Not discounting the former set just focusing on the west. Also idk anything so you could be right to add them

>>16507522
>Yes they are
What they are is tribes of the same ethnicity: Hellenic

How about Ammonius Sacchus, teacher of both Plotinus and Origen?

>>16516204
There's no evidence that Philo influenced Paul, his arrow should go to the Church Fathers and point from Platonism (where are the Middle Platonists?!)

>Negative Theology
Eckhart -> Johannes Tauler
Eckhart -> John of Ruysbroeck
Eckhart -> Henry Suso

New category

>Luddite
Ellul -> Kaczynski

>>16516204
There is a major movement of British Hegelians during the late 19th century and early 20th century, largely scrubbed from the history books by the analytical philosophers but absolutely dominate during their day.
They were: TH Green, FH Bradley, Bernard Bosanquet, JH Muirhead, JME McTaggart, HH Joachim, A E Taylor, RG Collingwood, and GRG Mure.

Of those id point out McTaggart for his work on the ontology of time which is still debated today.

British Hegelianism was foundational Canada’s major philosophical tradition, Canadian Idealism. Of note there is John Watson, George Grant, Leslie Armour, James Doull, CB Macpherson, and Charles Taylor.

Charles Taylor you already have under communitarians, but it’s interesting that he derives his communitarian political thought from this legacy of Hegelian idealism that has been going on in Canada for about a hundred years, and is based on this even older tradition of British idealism.

Also I’d draw attention to George Grant, who is Canada’s most notable conservative political philosopher. He is the main thinker behind so-called ‘red toryism’ which kind of entailed him taking a bunch of left wing positions but for conservative reasons.

Also, while on the topic of Canada the political philosopher Will Kymlicka is one of the most cited thinkers alive today. He’s the main thinker who developed “multiculturalism” in politics.

>>16489486
aristotle is a big influence on plotinus and the church fathers. that line after plato should be after aristotle

>>16489486
you should also link from plotinus (and plato really) to the florentine academy

>>16516395
You're a retard and have no idea what you're talking about.

>>16514406
Damn..

>>16516797
Philosophy of diversity and fur babies? Are you fucking kidding

Tertullian is spelled wrong. Otherwise good job, OP

>>16516204
>hegel didn't influence kiekegaard
nigga what the fuck are you doing

>>16515063
A lot of these names were already posted by other anons. I think OP described Benedict as ''Nursia'' but for some reason refused to put Boethius and Isidore

>>16516797
If we have to add those literally whos then the chart might virtually expand to comprehend all the obscure scholars and specialists of every single discipline of every single country. Maybe you don't realize that there are universities everywhere in the world and each university has dozens of "thinkers" writing books about everything. Please, restrain your anglocentric impulses, thank you.

>>16518801
If you wanted to just strictly follow Copelston’s History of Philosophy you’d absolutely have to add at least Green, Bradley, Bosanquet, and McTaggart. More than 100 pages are dedicated to them collectively, with entire chapters on Bradley and Bosanquet.

>>16517730
Just because it’s shit doesn’t change his influence and notability.

>>16515783
>Other essential psychoanalysts include Bion, Adler, Laing, Rank, and Klein. Lacan was in part responding to the work of Bion and especially Klein.
James Hillman is another one, and more relevant than those, frankly.

>>16516204
So, are we going to have an Occultism box or not? If yes:
>Steiner
>Blavatsky
>Kremmerz
>Schuon

Historians of religion?
>Mircea Eliade
>Karoly Kerenyi
>Julien Ries
>Luigi Giussani
>Moshe Idel
All these obviously linked to (from) the traditionalists.

Modern Christians:
>Rosmini
>Manzoni
>Servet
>De Molina
>Tartaglia
>Wojtyla
>Ratzinger

Add Gregory Palamas, Joachim of Fiore, Carherine of Siena and Teresa of Ávila to the Medieval box. Rename Bingen as Ildegard.

Why isn't Cioran in the map? We should make an "Angry with life" box desu:
>Emil Cioran
>Albert Caraco
>Gómez Dávila
>Andrea Emo
and link it back to Schopenhauer and Leopardi.

Add Francesco Giorgi in the Renaissance box (he is the perfect synthesis of Pico and Ficino).

Add Lucilio Vanini next to the Renaissance box but out of it (just like Pascal) with a line from the box itself and another line linking him to the Enlightenment.

Add Beccaria in the Enlightenment box.

Add Girard next to Mauss and the others.

Add Eco next to the Language box (but out of it) with a line coming from the box itself. He was a semiotic/semiologist. We could also link him back to Structuralism.

Add Paul Valéry somewhere.

Add Togliatti close to Gramsci.

Add Arendt somewhere between the Frankfurt School and Heidegger (kek).

>>16518067
A map without Boethius, Isidore and Cassiodorus is completely retarded.

>>16517803
Does utter revulsion really count as influence?

I'm interested in reading Hegel. But I have read that I need to be versed in Kant, and David Hume before Kant, Locke somewhere in there.. Which basically has led me to start with The Republic. Is there any other way?

>>16519808
You've been cucked, excellent.

>>16489486
you can throw paglia and peterson in the trash

>>16520386
they're not even philosophers

>>16489486
Where is Islamic philosophy? Muhammed?

>>16520500
>Map of Western Philosophers
>Islamic philosophy

>>16491392
>that have been collected together recently in an ITALIAN edition of 1000 pages with the title "Summa pitagorica
Once more I'm reminded that I wasn't born in Northern Italy.

>>16520513
Okay, but the European renaissance is massively indebted to the Islamic golden age

>>16520500
Islamic philosophy, like Scholasticism, is nothing but repurposed (mostly poorly) Neoplatonism, at least the ""Muslim"" Neoplatonists are based.

>>16516204
Wasn’t Diogenes a predecessor to Stoicism?

If brennan is in there then michael huemer should either take his place or be next to him

>>16520528
>this meme again
sandnigger cope that is being promulgated to form a narrative
also kinda weird how mudshits were able to keep all the texts alive but were not able to progress to any noticeable point, yet they LARP as if their islamic scholars bear any relevance on modern history.

>>16521559
try reading literally any book on the history of western philosophy, history of mathematics, history of science, e.t.c.

>>16521579
I have yet to read a line of descartes, Thomas of Aquine, Occam, Eckhart that says:
>Thank god those mudshits in spain allowed the lost aristotle texts be translated into latin again
Revisionists losers, no progress in mathematics came from MENA since Babylonian geometry and egyptian algebra.

Al-Farabi -> Maimonides -> Spinoza

>>16519856

Amazing job anon, keep it up!

>Derrida in the structuralist tradition rather than as an offshoot of Phenomenology

>>16489486
Hegel needs an offshoot for Kierkegaard and then the rest of the atheistic existentialists.

I think it's the side of philosophy that trails most directly into writing/literature, if you want to include that as an arrow that leads out of the page.

>>16521615
>not knowing that algebra was invented in persia in the 9th C
>believing that medieval europe followed modern academic ethics for sources

This is your brain on /pol/

>>16514467
well, I don't disagree about Peterson, but Zizek hasn't exactly contributed any fundamental philosophical insights either. He just applies dialectics and psychoanalysis to present political issues and adds a pop-culture twist.

>>16521789
didn't read, ignore

Why isn't German Idealism treated as a direct off-shoot of Kant?

>>16521817
>algebra was invented in persia in the 9th C
and this meme again too?
Algebra was invented by the ancinet egyptians (pbut) long before the third kike religion came along.
It holds the name Algebra but near none of the work done by islamic mathematicians actually had direct influence on european mathematicians.
Descartes literally says this in his "Regulae ad directionem ingenii"
>Algebra is an arab word but that is it. We jsut use that word for this subset of mathematics to distinguish it from geometry.

dogmatic islam literally squashed any intellectual development in MENA (Persia (greater persia if you can accept that Iraq is actually more Persian than it is arabic) being the only actually relevant one which is why arabs are ok with occasionally calling them actual muslims) while European(!) Christianity brought the enlightenment that allowed them to conquer and form the world new, moving all of mankind, even if they were dragging their feet all the while and still are, forward.

>>16520528
is it really? They have a giant hard-on for the Greeks but there isn't that much discussion of Islamic thought. seems like if anything the medieval Christians had more dialogue with the Muslims

>>16519670
Kierkegaard wouldn't have existed as a philosopher without Hegel

>>16521989
Agreed with this anon. IIRC Kierkegaard said that if Hegel had treated his philosophy like a thought experiment, he'd be one of the greatest thinkers of all time.

He admired the system, but not systemisation.

>>16519808
>The Republic
Retard, you start with Homer

>>16521957
The argument is that most of aristotle was lost in the west but translated (specifically at one point into) arabic and then was later translated into latin (mostly via Spain).
The actual work they did is not what usually is given credit to, eventhough MENAphils really wanna push that narrative too.

>>16498852
Agreed that Shestov and Berdyaev should be on there. Solovyov and Florensky could round out that section of Russian Christian philosophy.

>>16521894
Based. Fuck modern revisionists. I just listened today to an In Our Time episode on some Greco-Roman battles and the woman could not stop herself from interjecting every time about how Greek culture is not that great, and actually Persians were so advanced, and actually if Greeks lost it wouldn't have changed much. Fuck these retards

>>16522020
Is that some shitty TV show of America?

>>16522035
No, it's the best running podcast we have and it's British. It's only the women that ruin every episode, but the men almost always are based and never engage in this shitty revisionism school

>>16522035
It's a British pod-cast, BBC I think.
>>16522020
Didn't Alexander the Great take on Persian customs and dress?

>>16522020
>Greco-Roman
Sorry meant greco-persian (thermopylae and salamis)

>>16522055
>Didn't Alexander the Great take on Persian customs and dress?
Greeks always took a lot from Near East, that's not the point you idiot.

>>16522000
>reading homer at all
you already know the story through cultural osmosis, skip

>>16522055
Dude took Darius III's daughter as wife if I remember correctly.
dude took more than jsut a dress.
ancient Persia was always based ofc.

>>16522094
epik :))

>>16522104
not an argument :)))

>>16522108
go make a thread on r/books dimwit

>>16516204
Devotion Movement should be called Modern Devotion and was influenced by Ludolph of Saxony. Ignatius shouldn't be in Medieval box

>>16522121
no need for namecalling you insecure beta. did you feel that proud of yourself for finishing the odyssey?

>>16522135
double digit iq

>>16522073
What is the point then? I'm not defending the women, I'm only pointing out that it's not as if cultures existed in a vacuum. Advances in Greece would feed into advances in Persia and vice versa. It's not such a great big competition. I don't like the left or the right's need to politicize history into narratives that suit their own modern ideology.

>>16521894
I'm reading more into this algerbra point now. Very interesting, thanks for pointing that out. Would their interpretation of Egyptian/Greek/Babylonian sources not be a continuation of sorts, or did European mathematics totally supersede Islamic mathematics? From what I gather, the civilizations were pretty technologically equal for most of the medieval period. What led to the sudden rise? The Arab peninsula didn't have the raw resources to achieve industrialization, if I'm not mistaken, but would there be other factors?

>>16522158
>I'm only pointing out that it's not as if cultures existed in a vacuum.
Great insight anon well done congratulations on your post!

>>16522168
>it's not such a great big competition

>>16522158
Arabs were not interested in industrialization (= materialistic development) because they were more adherent to the source and essence of their sacred tradition. This doesn't mean they were not able to build instruments and stuff; they simply avoided to democratize the functional implications of their scientific wisdom. Anyone who has read Guenon or Evola knows this.

>>16522198
>Arabs were not interested in industrialization (= materialistic development) because they were more adherent to the source and essence of their sacred tradition
cope
>to democratize the functional implications of their scientific wisdom
>democratize wisdom
absolute retard take which exposes you as an american mongloid.
> Anyone who has read Guenon or Evola knows this.
fell for memes

>>16522158
>'m reading more into this algerbra point now. Very interesting, thanks for pointing that out.
dude, check out why we count right angles in 90°. So rarely do mathematics students know why we do this.
>rest of your questions are practically not unbiasedly answerable, jsut fun to think about.

I could use some help with expanding this backwards...

>>16523193

>>16523193
where are the atlantians?

>>16523232
above Babylonians and Mu

>>16523243
oh, sorry I forgot that I'm illiterate for a second there

>>16489486
Plato should get a big dick bracket thing like hegel has but covering everyone.

>>16523321
Thing is, almost everyone influenced boy Plato is also influenced by aristotle to some extent, soo....

>>16523376
Yeah Aristotle should get more lines too. Aquinas called him "The Philosopher" for fucks sake.

>>16523195
what a great image

>>16523321
>>16523376
>>16523427
The impression given from the map is that Plato and Aristotle were just a couple of small stepping stones to, and not the foundation of, Western Philosophy.
Mind you anyone who comes across this map will already know that, so i'm unsure how necessary the prestige brackets like Hegels would be.

>>16523193
I have filled in the Mu intellectual tradition

>>16523668
Ahahaha.
*antediluvian

>>16523697
ill get to it

>>16523668
Further expansion

>>16521989
That's a gross exaggeration. He'd already broken off his engagement and committed to the life of a writer before he discovered Hegel.

>>16524064
This is such a tremendous waste of time, i love it.

God this is awful

>>16524243
can you describe how, or are you just baiting for (you)s

>>16524243
Morality intensifies

>>16524215
10 000 hour on Chrome Canvas

>>16524283
Dunno what that is, im using paint
>>16524270
Peter Hitchens

>>16524292

>>16524453
Lmfao lookin good. Don't forget connecting the whole left hand side into sea peoples

>>16524453
LOL

>>16524561
I think i will connect Babylon with the sea peoples

OP here again. Im likely going to take a break until the weekend. If this thread 404s ill just post a new one with all the most recent updates.

In the meantime Pre-Flood night shift anon is here lmao

>>16524567
If you want to make it more memetic add some references to na Blavatsky seven races. Also, for some reason this made me remember a lovecraft story that made allusion to a forgotten civilization in mu. The book is called out of aeons.

>>16524589
>>16524596
Where are the hyperboreans?

>>16524596
Man, Ill finnish up, then ill see if i can inject that shieet

>>16524567
>>16524589
Now its just to tidy up and maybe add some stuff here and there :3

>>16524646

>>16524672
All finished up. About 6 hours wasted.

To compare
>>16523195

>>16489486
Add Ferdinand de Saussure to Structuralism bus connected to Baudrillard

>>16521615
Avicenna was appended to Aristotle in school texts for hundreds of years. I have a feeling it may have all been credited to Aristotle though.

If you look at the letters on aesthetic education, Schiller's philosophy was pretty explicitly another variant of post-kantianism. Hegel referenced him all over the place and even re-interpreted one of his poems for the last line of the PoS, so Imo the chart should reflect that much at least, if only by adding another arrow connecting Kant and Hegel through Schiller.

>>16489486
put the first names in aswell please to avoid some confusion in some particular cases, maybe even put the years in aswell these people were alive prolific, it would make for a more information dense chart.
nigger

put the first names in and the dates these people were alive, it will add more structure to the chart

bump

>>16525061
no, it will clutter. minimalism is crucial for this size of map.

>>16525061
>>16527038
at least it should be somewhat decently structured that all philosophers from same era are on the same height and not like now where medieval philosophy and renaissance philosophy are literally above each other

>>16489629
where were you when land got his balls zapped by the chinese secret police?

>>16524672
amazing

>>16527048
There's a soft timescale within categories, but not without. That'd be pointless. There'd be a ton of dead space or huge jumps from Romans to Middle Ages to Ren

>>16489615
ofc it is the same anon, and he should get banend for avatar fagging like this.

>>16523193
>>16523668
>>16524064
>>16524215
>>16524283
>>16524292
>>16524453
>>16524561
>>16524565
>>16524567
>>16524646
start with Yakub

>>16489609
>>16489615
>>16528489
OP here. desu I kind of like the NIck Land poster. He's like the annoying companion on this arduous journey.

>>16524672
Beautiful
But you didn't use your latest >>16516204 for the right hand side

>>16528508
>start with Yakub
gigabased

De Saussure
Bakunin

>>16528969
>>16528625
>>16528508
ill see to it

>>16528508
Yes!!! Yakub is the only acceptable starting place

>>16528508
>>16528969
>>16530015
>>16530062
do it OP, everything starts with Yakub

>>16530077
Im not OP though, im pre-flood anon.

>>16530062
>>16530077
>>16528969
>>16528508
You guys think this is a little overdone maybe?

>>16530165
I laughed out loud. Fucking beautiful, peak /lit/

>>16530165
based af
I think we can wrap it up here officially as v1.0