/lit/ - Literature

I do not need to worship a book, for I worship the knowledge I gain from all books.

Dorian Gray teaches me how to be witty and gay which are the only two pieces of a personality i have left

you would still love me?

if i was empty inside?

Possibly the Neverending Story. It's fun to re-read, and its philosophy really got to me: you need to do what you want, and what comes out of that may destroy you because figuring out what you really want is the hardest thing ever.

But the important thing is to keep going, to remember that all the things you've done have taught you something and were necessary to make you who you are today, and to not want to be somebody else, but to change. And to love and accept things.

>>1647486

my own clone

>>1647486

there really isn't a difference between pretending to be happy and being happy, i think

>>1647499
well that was sort of..

clever i guess

i liked most of suicide note except for the sociobiology stuff

i mean, it makes sense on this sort of intuitive level but rationalizing phenomena with evolution/darwin is one of the most lame trends to take hold of academia in the last 10 years

dan savage, psychologists, EVERYONE has started saying stuff like: "Well, we can see that the evolutionary incentive to [x] is blah blah blah blah..."

>>1647533
butthurt that his only function in life is to reproduce and all of his emotions hopes and dreams ultimately revolve around this desire

>>1647547

but you can sublimate said desire to paint, and stuff

>>1647547
it's more that people are making this assumption that evolution is a logical or rational system

they're just field-specific elaborations of herbert spencer's "survival of the fittest", which itself is a grievous misconstruction of darwin's evolution

THIS >>1647576

this is very much the case

>>1647473
ted kaczynski did it first...kinda

>>1647473
Can anyone give me a tl;dr here

>>1647533

i dont think heisman was saying evolution is rational, more like sociobiology (evolution)throws rationality out the window: hey, u kno all those reasons we thought up for our behavior? turns out theyre random after all. reductionist thinking isnt really reason, its more of a dead end, the abyss if u will. its more of a copout than theism, since it refuses to reason at all. at least christians hav pretty songs and a one word answer for everything: god.

reductionist thinking -0
god-1

its actually quite apt

>>1647607
It's basically a bunch of false conclusions made from faulty premises, and he committed suicide when he discovered this.

>>1647609
So it's like academia except it has an actual end

i just liked the jew bashing

i miss /new/

He's a modern day Otto Weininger. Seriously. History is literally repeating itself, and Weininger reincarnated in America in the modern day, then killed himself again.

>>1647627

>>1647635
So I guess the Nazis will be just around the corner.

I have read 200 pages the best is the end.

In The Closing of the American Mind Allen Bloom makes a strong argument for having bible. As Omar Little said, a man has got to have a code.
I guess mine is The Border Trilogy by McCarthy.

Alot of vevocenterism in here tonight, you all need to read Heisman more carefully.

jews make better nazis, can you believe it?

>do you have that one work of /lit/erature you consider your bible?

Nope.

>>1647656

im too much of a pussy to off myself.

open your mind to death. ill die soon enough, so its ok i guess.

>>1647473
Well this is unsettling.

>>1647638
I pretty much believe that, yeah. The fascists are coming.

I'm kind of a paranoid fucker, though.

Can someone explain to me how exactly this is different than all the other writers who have determined life is absurd?

Heisman > Socrates

Mark my words Socrates had to be convicted to do the dead he wanted to do anyway, Heisman saw the trajectory of the western intellectual tradition and brought it to its logical conclusion. In ten years people will be citing him.

>>1647743
Everything he's said has been covered though. The only real part which would have been important was his commentary on nihlism which he did half heartedly and in an apologistic manner.

>>1647743

im so glad someone else understood the magnitude of this work.

>>1647743
>>1647764
Explain yourselves.

>>1647772
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bizarre_last_writes_for_suicide_2cxWiC3P3mLZoYMAdMh6jP

he wrote the work OP posted

>>1647781
But how is this work so important? In what fields?

Gravity's Rainbow.

I've gone full autism for about a year and a half now, re-reading it several times, compiling the stories of all of the poems, plays, books, operas, etc....into something so I can find a deeper meaning. Also doing the full Number 23 and looking for patterns in sentence structure, punctuation mistakes (or were they?), and the usual sort of cryptology thing.

If I don't find anything, I won't hesitate to kill myself.

>>1647473
Blood Meridian is probably my bible because I've been reading and re-reading it and going to all of its derivatives.

>>1647791

you see all the posts on 4chan that urge people to kill themselves?

how strange that anonymity lifts the death instinct from the ashes of Auschwitz

no, its just a bunch of teenagers being emo, right?

right.

douglas adams was saying the same thing in hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, but heisman is more blunt about it than a krikkit game of ultrafascism

y do u dismiss said posts to off yourself? how did you conclude that they're all jokes, or tell urself that ur life is worth living? is it worth living? why? because it is.

is what?

life is good. is it? no, GOOD IS LIFE.

you probably work, or go to school, or live off savings, parents etc. why? society? no, u have an inside voice, separate from society. a soul, then? sure, if you consider loops to be the soul. continuity of experiences then. identity. self. im an individual!

thats where the majority of the human race repeat their loop they call their life, until death. u are probably somewhere on this loop. yes, ends with individual, then the cycle starts again, from any random thought, from ow my leg to shes a bitch to hungry.

these loops start from infancy and they incorporate all perceived experiences into loop, then many loops, all with the same origin, the individual, name. oh.

read suicide note all of it

By bible do you mean a book from which I derive morality codes?

Maybe The Myth of Sisyphus or L'Etranger.

What was the title of that one chapter? Barack Obama supernigger or something?

>>1647892

from section Barack Obama:Supernigger

Why is this ironic obsession with race so American? If his
race truly did not matter then it would make no difference
whatsoever if it just so happened that an African-American
was never elected president and whites continued their
traditional political supremacy in America. But it did matter.
It matters because race matters.

heres some context

After the Conquest, and especially under the “anarchy” of
the Norman King Stephen, many Anglo-Saxons were treated
by many Normans as akin to “niggers” who deserved their
hereditary slavery. If the Norman Conquest was legitimate,
then reducing Anglo-Saxons to “perpetual slavery” by law
was legitimate. The legitimacy of this peculiar form of

slavery depended on the legitimacy of the Conquest itself.
Why would William need to be a conqueror at all if he was
considered a legitimate heir to the throne by the people of
England?

>>1647874
>L'EStranger
You just couldn't write "The Stranger", could you, you pretentious fuckwit.

>>1647930

My god he's right.

wow, i wouldn't have thunk nihilism would have a voice in our 21st century. nihilism's hard to write about, because it's content is on negation. most can't avoid tautologies when it comes to nihilism, but mitchell heisman did a great job avoiding them, as best as i have ever read. it's also a wonderful introductory work of all the highlights of Western thought, right up to the present, and beyond. yes, it's 1900+ pages, but it contains the totality of liberal arts college education, for free!

Nihilism = philosophy that drives you to madness or suicide

examples = Nietzsche and heisman

Nihilism. Not even once.

>>1648033

>>1648033
So we should judge the merit of a philosophy by how happy it makes us?

>>1648037

Nihilist detected. Kill yourself or go mad, fagget.

Also, Hedonism ftw. So yes.

>>1648033

>thinks Nietzsche was a nihilist

Heh. Funnay.

>>1648044

>implying he wasn't

>>1648046

This a joke, right? That's like, the most common misconception about Nietzsche.

That's like saying "Machiavelli said it was good to be an evil tyrant lulz!". It's a "pop-culture" misinterpretation.

>>1648060

then what was he?

>implying Machiavelli wasnt exactly that

>>1648076
you are so fucking stupid

>>1648078
i think ur getting trolled. be careful

>>1648078

no, u.

>>1648076
he accused christians of nihilism and denigrated his conception of nihilism in general

He was an ubermench you churl

>>1648081

>implying he was a transhumanist faggot
>implying he didn't become a Ubermensch by going mad. Ubermensh indeed

>>1648084
Implying madness isn't ubermench

>>1648085

>implying it is

>>1648086
>>1648084
>>1648082
>>1648080
>>1648078
>>1648081

ITT: how to go full retard. Nigga, you both went full retard.

>>1648086
Implying it isn't

>>1648076

romantic, servant of Dionysus, aesthetic, music lover, philologist

he wrote much on nihilism, but he stopped short in that he claimed the value of values is the interpretation and reinterpretation of values, will to power. heisman, a nihilist, points out how will to power is yet another life-preserving mechanism.

nietzsche thought you can escape the abyss. well, you can't, not even with infinite interpretations.

>>1648090
>he wrote much on nihilism, but he stopped short in that he claimed the value of values is the interpretation and reinterpretation of values, will to power.

then why did he go mad?

Told Status :

Fucking told [x]
told[ ]

>>1648042

live up to your name, hedonist! go feelgood.

electro-chemical reactions sure are fun.

>>1648092

fucking your mom sure was fun

>>1648091

he had syphilis.

or maybe he did go nihilo when his time came, but his literature ecce homo, gen. o. moral, antichrist, all point to nazism. nietzsche wasnt a nazi, but nazism is nietzsche's philosophy taken to its logical extreme. plz, read suicide note

>>1648042
hedonism, you mean vicarious nihilism rooted in foundationless naturalism.

We are pretty much friends.

>>1648094

i find that retort shallow and pedantic.

but seriously, read suicide note

>>1648094

>mom jokes

>>1648095

>nazism is nietzsche's philosophy taken to its logical extreme

err, no. His sister spread the bs about his nazism


>>1648097

Isn't it funny that we hedonists also derive joy in the misfortune of others, Schadenfreude. I feel so good.

>>1648098

Ive read it. I liked the last 100 pages and the first 100 pages, all of which dealt with nihilism.

Basically, he was a man justifying reasons for his eventual suicide.

I think it is clear that he was a virgin loser with a shit personality, and no gf and spent most of his time in solitude. He had no job, relied on his dead father's hard earned money to survive.

>>1648100

Nietzsche had a direct impact on the nazi movement. nazism is hedonism, back to ancient roots, plus eugenics. it had so much potential, but they lost the war. too bad really. read suicide note.

>>1648106
>it had so much potential

what would nazis have achieved if they had won? NOTHING, in nihilist sense

>>1648106
edgy

this guy is a cocksucker. he talks about nihilism but truthfully, he was just a worthless faggot making excuses

>>1648102
>I think it is clear that he was a virgin loser with a shit personality, and no gf and spent most of his time in solitude. He had no job, relied on his dead father's hard earned money to survive.


half of 4chan right there.

>>1648109

thanks, i tried.

The Plague by Camus

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick [species].”

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

>>1648145
that's a great quote.

>>1647962

L'Etranger has different connotations in French than the English word 'Stranger', that's why some publishers call the book 'The Outsider' instead.

L'Etranger is just the most accurate title for the book. You know what I meant anyway, didn't you?

Nice way to piss all over yourself and this thread with your aggressive, irrelevant and fundamentally hypocritical attempt to attack me.

I almost forgot that /lit/ was on 4chan. Thanks for reminding me, shitposters.

suicide note by mitchell heisman?

I believe that negroid an hero'd at this very place

>>1648284
This Heisman gets MY trophy, any day.