/lit/ - Literature

>>16461455
Just finished reading the fall of hyperion. Should I bother with Endymion ? Are the rest of the books in the series absolute shit ?

Please let this thread be free of racists and sexists... Getting tired of this shit

I'm reading Fire Upon the Deep and have a question.
In the beginning it describes intergalactic communication, how does this exist in any reasonable/wide spread form given the outer galaxy is the Transcendence? Do benign powers assist the Beyond in communicating to neighbor galaxies or do they just by chance figure out how to talk to them(but can never visit/ship anything)

seriously, have you ALL read any of cyberpunk?

>>16461658
Nigger

>>16461758
You just need Neuromancer.

>>16461658
>>16461777
Clever lads.

>>16461658
No

>>16461455
I used to read the Dresden Files, until I physically couldn't force myself to anymore (somewhere around book 8). It reads like a 16 year old wrote it. If Butcher wrote it intentionally as Harry being emotionally stunted because of trauma as a teenager, it'd be impressive, but we all know it's not. Also, Dresden refusing to work with Marcone is the single most infuriating thing I've ever read. Dresden is emotionally and mentally 16 years old, and he's just as obnoxious.

Also, I hate his apprentice.

>>16461897
>>16461777
This is pure reddit tourism

>>16461907
>It reads like a 16 year old wrote it
Fuck and I was just going to give this series a chance

>>16461923
granted its not the most refined piece of writing out there, but id give it a go, not like downloading off of libgen costs anything

>>16461923
Read the first one- it has its charm, and it's still a straight forward story, before it turns into a convoluted mess. But you can safely forget the rest

>>16461928
I literally just bought them all off of Amazon

>>16461934
you goddamn maniac, why?

>>16461934
i personally love dresden files. there is only 1 book in the series i dislike, and wont read again when i reread them, but thats either book 3 or 4 and has to do with some gypsy curse, but after that they just get better and better.

>>16461945
have you tried the iron druid series by Kevin Hearne?

>>16461957
>iron druid
i have not, but i googled them, and after i read the new dresden files book this week, i will definitely look into them, thanks for the rec

>>16461965
happy to help. Of the urban fantasy, detective wizard books that I've read, I like Hearne most

>>16461455
Anybody know any good Bizarro Westerns?

>>16462008
Blood Meridian, Incal, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.

>>16462020
I've read Blood Meridian, and I'll check out the rest, but I was thinking more along the lines of "A Book of Tongues"

>>16462025
Stainless Steel Rat then, because I wouldn't recommend Stephen King to anyone.

>>16461455
I was asleep so could make new thread, but I was planning to use pic related for the next general, why didn't you?

>>16461455
>what book is your favorite?
The one where he killed Susan. It started out so meh, chapter one and already there was a female character whining and complaining, and she was there for the whole book, but the end was so satisfying.

>>16461758
No, it just doesn't sound that interesting.

>>16462114
Are you serious

>>16461031
what? are you okay? youre a fool but you should go out and breathe or something

>>16462110
who was susan again? the reporter?

>>16462279
Yes, why are you so surprised?

>>16462028
>Stainless Steel Rat
that's sci-fi

>>16462008
The Hawkline Manor

What's your favorite Gene Wolfe book?

>>16462377
The first and only Wolfe book I read was a massive disappointment. I don't know why he's so lauded, because Pirate Freedom was straight up masturbatory.

sffg discord: KWPCM7m

iliad group read starts today, first discussion on friday, books 1-8

october 1 we will start reading uzumaki

>>16462344
Nah, you are a bait.
We are in a science fiction thread

>>16462384
We don't like your kind here, move along

>>16462355
And you are in which general again?

>>16462433
>And you are in which general again?
/SFG/ apparently

>>16462377
The book of the new sun, obviously

*coughs*
Fuck E William Brown

>>16462865
>https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8314513.E_William_Brown
oh gross

>>16462292
yeah, reporter who got bit by a vampire l

>>16463008
yeah, I never got why that was such a bad thing.

>>16463010
Your didn't get why it was bad he killed a woman he loved who was the mother of his child?

>>16463182
>caring about women

>>16461656
I read all four cantos books, I would only suggest reading Endymion and Rise if you want more of the world built in the first two books. Endymion is a pretty fun adventure book. Rise is a fucking bore for like 90% of it.

>>16463536
Well memed , my dude

>>16462008
Six gun tarot

>>16463628
Thanks!

Time to start shilling this again. Seeing as people are recommending iron druid chronicles and the Dresden fans are in house.

Time to rec this to fresh readers. Seeing as the Dresden fans are in house and are recommending iron druid chronicles.

>>16463696
Those fantasy recommendations are so bad I think you might actually be trolling.

Previous thread:
>>16445685

Archive:
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Charts:
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>>16463723
You don't even read. So fuck off and neck yourself.

>>16463774
>>16461455

Please tell me Tattersail gets BLACKED by this kalam nigga

>>16463794
Better to not read at all if the choices are only the stuff you've presented.

>>16463696
>what not to read

>>16461758
Only neuromancer and snow crash.

It's it just me or is Brandon Sanderson a dog shit author. His books read more like a B film than an actual book.

Also any good fantasy books? been running low lately and tired of sci fi

>>16464091
> ANY GOOD BOOK?

>>16464091
Choice of magic

>>16464109
Your efforts are in vain.

>>16461455
I genuinely don't understand why people like this series, much less hype it up as the GOAT urban fantasy
The best book is probably Summer Knight, everything else is extremely mediocre or worse

>>16464109
Thanks
>>16464116
There are many gems to be found in fantasy, unfortunately because of the nature of the genre, there's also a lot of trash you gotta sift through.

>>16464116
Dedication and hard work is always rewarded.

>>16461455
I don't know what it is but I've never enjoyed a sci fi book written by a woman. Their style just feels so drawn out and underwhelming. I had to put down Ancillary Justice and Doomsday halfway through reading, hoping Left Hand of Darkness will change that

>>16464213
No woman will enjoy fucking you either, beta.

>>16464213
You are correct, I have read several works by women and some were even well written and researched but none of them just felt right.

>>16463834
>only
Spoken like a true readlet. There are hundreds of thousands of novels, and your non-reading ass is making noise on a couple dozen on a chart.

>>16463826
This is how I imagine tattersail's body. She is supposed to be ridiculously thicc, like fertile breeding ground thicc.

>>16464135
The one where red court is kill also the one where they go to underworld, when he goes on wild hunt with the gang and peace talks were the only good books, oh also stuff that happens after he picks up the coin, everything else is subpar but it cannot be skipped unfortunately.

>>16464147
>>16464091
Choice of magic
The legend of the arch magus
Condemning the heavens
The beginning after the end

>>16464477
Agreed

>>16464213
>Ancillary Justice
Because that book was shit.
Simp better female authors.

>>16463826
RAFO

>>16464477
Jesus FUCK!
I want her to sit on my face and suffocate me with her thighs. Goddamn I wanna marry her. Is this how incel beta cucks feel? Seeing something they can't get their hands on?

>>16464524
>Condemning the heavens
I just read amazon review and "looked inside" and what the f is this cultivation thing, I have seen it mentioned several times when talking about chinese novels? Is this some chinese meme, is it like magic or magical powers?

>>16461455
Bros, why do I miss Lasciel so much

>>16464633
>ESL
>everything is a meme!
Wonderful contribution to the thread.

I've always wondered, what's /sffg/'s favorite forgotten realms book?

>>16461732
Yeah, it's just sort of assumed that everything in the Beyond is """advanced""".
If you want more realistic light-speed restrictions, wait until you get to Deepness in the Sky.

>>16464798
ur moms pussy is my favorite forgotten realm

>>16464798
Mine is none. I haven't read any FR books despite bing a massive TTRPG fag.

Any recommendations on where to begin (rather, where NOT to begin)?

>>16461923
I read them all when I was sixteen and I thought it was the best thing since cake. I've re-read them since, and yeah, they're a little simplistic, but they're still gobs of fun. Each book is like an episode in a trashy TV crime show that you just can't stop watching

so I read Foundation, Foundation and the Empire, The Second foundation, and then skipped to the 5th book which somehow as a prequel.
Its decent, but I think its because I enjoy the deadpan humor, the cigar smoking, and the excessive parodies of social behavior.

>>16464833
I get that the Beyond is advanced but (at least so far) most of the Beyond is very cautious about dealing with the Transcend/Powers and for good reason.
My confusion is the book offhand seems to mention that Relay also has connections/communicates to other nearby galaxies/their beyonds.
How would the Beyond ever be able to or want to talk to other galaxies when their galaxy is surrounded by region where you either transcend or get destroyed by a Power.

>>16464040
good ones?

>>16464704
What do you mean? Why do chinese use that particular word? I have actually done chinese martial arts (chinese instructor) but never ever heard his say or mention "cultivation" (and he did say a lot of dumb chinese stuff). What gives?

>>16464833
>Deepness in the Sky
...Aaaaaand it's shit.

>>16465090
different anon but I don't think it was that bad lol

>>16465108
Was it even scifi? The science was more like magic and as a fantasy novel it kind of sucked.

>>16465130
its been quite a while since I read it but weaponized autism doesn't seem so far fetched to me

>>16464109
The Wandering Inn

>>16465764
This is a troll. That book is filler with a protagonist doing stupid shit getting people killed needlessly.

Any good slavic fantasy? Preferably dark and gloomy, some horror elements.

>>16466171
Slavs can't into creative writing. Especially fantasy. Out of hundreds of millions of slavs you have what? Only witcher series, and there is some russian aswell.

>>16466227
Western books in a slav setting are also ok.

>>16466171
>>16466241
Check out night watch and let the right one in. >>16463696

>>16466171
I take it you’ve already read the Witcher books? Don’t know any besides those.

>>16461957
I found the Iron druid series when I was 11 or 12 and going through a hard time... I read through the first 4 books over 100 times.

It goes downhill fast after the 4th book in my opinion, granuaile suddenly becomes a bit of a bitch :( and the last couple books are depressing. Still, they hold a special place in my heart due to getting little me through a tough time. Even got my copy of the first book autographed a couple years ago.

The audiobook narrator is fantastic if anyone is considering this series. Plus, there are lots of references to literature in the series, especially Shakespeare. Peace, frens.

>>16466368
>>16461957
Oh, have you read the first book in his new Iron druid spinoff series? Thinking about picking it up.

Has an epub or mobi of Battle Ground popped up anywhere yet? Recall Peace Talks showing up on here a few days in advance of release

>>16466389
>>16466368
>>16461957
When granuaile got a POV the books went to shit. Her chapters were so beyond purple they were fuchsia.

How the series ended didn't make me want to pick up his series.

>>16466502
Battlegrounds is being released on the 29th, it's still the 28th faggot.

>>16466536
Not in Australia it ain't. Any shitposters around to prove anon wrong?

>>16466536
It is already tuesday in japan.

It just turned Tuesday here, am I stuck waiting for midnight in burgerland or should it be releasing any time now?

>>16466591
>>16466542
>>16466536
IT'S OUT!!!
IT'S OUT!!!IT'S OUT!!!
IT'S OUT!!!
IT'S OUT!!!

>>16466599

>>16466542
Kek. Nice reverse psychology anon (>>16466502), but no dice.

>>16466614

>>16466614
>>16466621
I too can check Amazon preview

>>16466621

>>16466627

>>16466627
>the former had released the freaking kraken
HOLY BASED YES YES YES THIS IS AMAZING I FREAKING LOVE FANTASY

>>16466627

>>16466626
ur dumb

>>16466653
lelel

>>16466659
nnn

>>16466665
>>16466659
>>16466653
>>16466636
>>16466627
>>16466621
>>16466614
Autismo. Calm the fuck down.

>>16464213
Have you tried any CJ Cherryh? Downbelow Station and the Chanur series slaps

>>16466665
oh god, off by 1 >>16466666

Just upload the epub and stop spamming.

>>16466670
ghgg

>>16466683

>>16466680
buy it faggot, support the author, I won't upload anymore

>>16466690
>that was supposed to be an advertisement

>>16466703
it is out, available on amazon

>>16466717
I wouldn't read any more of that shit if you paid me. At least now I know for certain the reason I'm not selling anything isn't because of my ability as a writer.

>>16466735
>I'm not selling anything
why aren't you selling anything then?

>>16462008
The Song of Phaid the Gambler
The DNA Cowboys trilogy

>>16464213

>>16466735
just keep telling yourself that buddy

>>16461758
I've read a ton of cyberpunk

How are the Dresden audiobooks? I've basically forgotten where we're at in the series, but don't want to spend all my free time rereading it

>>16466925
I want to start on it, recommend something senpai

>>16466954
Neuromancer

>>16466954
>>16467023
Second Neuromancer, Also recommend Gibson's short stories

>>16466929
its been a constant uphill in quality after blood rites? however, the last book feels like it was only half a book, and they split it in half for peace talks and battle grounds, which really aggravates me
spoilers for major plot stuff
molly is one of the winter queens now, that warden who wanted to kill dresden all the time is dead, murph and harry like each other, harry has a dead ex half vamp gf he killed, harry has a daughter, harry has a spirit daughter with laciel clone in his head, harry does not have bob anymore, but his spirit daughter is in a wooden skull and her name is bonea or some riff on bonnie

>>16466954
I would start with Neuromancer because it defined the genre. If you read it after reading other cyberpunk you’ll probably not enjoy it. I’d also read Snow Crash and Diamond Age.

>>16466954
Neuromancer to start for sure. Then the Mirrorshades short story anthology edited by Bruce Sterling.
After that, a deeper cut is Software by Rudy Rucker, part of the Ware Tetralogy but perfectly fine as a stand alone. Rucker is a mathematician, computer scientist (unlike Gibson's lack of STEM) and he was part of the original cyberpunk 5. His work shows the breadth of the movement. It wasn't all corporate dystopia, that was just what got popular and commercialized.

Anybody got cradle yet?
Damn Tuesday is such a treasure trove for releases.

>>16467295
That's Oct 6th, not Sep 29th.

>>16462003
>Of the urban fantasy, detective wizard books that I've read
>detective

Not in Iron Druid, anon

>>16467234
>software
Not who you were replying to, but I read that a while ago. How are the sequels?

>>16466929
The audio books are pretty good quality. They got a real actor to read them, so the delivery sounds pretty natural.

>I envisioned Cradle as a free chapter-by-chapter web serial
>I thought I was facing down the end of my career.
>people say that I wrote Elder Empire in double installments so that readers would have to pay twice for what's effectively the same story, and every time I hear that I have to choose between laughing until I cry or crying until I laugh
>I'll be drinking from rain gutters for nourishment by the end of the year, so I'll round this out into a real book and hopefully make enough to survive
>Unsouled came out and almost immediately sold more copies than all the four previous Elder Empire books combined, I was thrown off-balance. This was supposed to be the little, easy, quick series that I wrote on the side.
>I needed a sequel immediately, and the sooner the better, lest I return to my gutter-suckling fate. Again, with the intention being to satisfy people until I could return to OKAK.
>I wrote it so fast I didn’t have time to re-think or cut anything.
https://www.willwight.com/a-blog-of-dubious-intent/behind-the-scenes-soulsmith-and-the-birth-of-the-cradle-series

>>16461455
I am a complete pleb when it comes to scifi, I recently read Blindsight and Echopraxia and was wondering where to go from there, what sort of books are similar.

I also thought Valis was interesting

>>16467510
nothing is similar nothing lives up to them

>>16467388
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGG :^3
Guess it will give me time to finish the two new Dresden books back to back.

>>16467478
So the ninjas vs pirates was his masterpiece dream novel and he lucked into "please forgive this unworthy one"? What about his anime in prose series house of blades?

>>16467513
that serious cat makes me fear the worst

>>16467513
>nothing lives up to them
That great. It matches with your pic cause that chonkers isn't going to be living long.

Guys help me I just finished The book of dreams Great book great ending to the demon princes. And i started on the century next door novels. I'm a few pages into Orbital resonances and I want to drop it because of how much worse the prose is and I'm unsure on the story.

Should I keep going or is this a shitty series? Did I spoil myself by reading Vance?

>>16467592
If that's how you feel, then that's what you ought to do. "Spoiling" is a meme.

>>16467643
You are right, I will give it a couple more chapters and drop it if it's still not good.
>Spoiling" is a meme.
:^)

>>16467429
I read the first three books and they keep getting crazier. I should reread them so I can read the last book.

>>16467713
Just read summaries, it's a waste otherwise.

ive never actually bought a book on its release day, will i be able to get the new dresden files ebook at midnight EST, or do i have to wait for midnight to roll around my timezone?

>>16467870
You'll have your answer soon enough.

So I discovered that a new Penric novella had been released recently and picked it up. Good read. Penric's brother in law calls Penric in when his soldiers returning from an expedition start getting sick with a new disease, the novel is mostly structured like a medical drama.

>>16467023
>>16467060
>>16467150
>>16467234
love u senpais

>wife asleep
>kids asleep
>dresden files drops in t-3 minutes
>got my ice cold dr.pepper
>got a pear
its going to be a comfy night. how are you guys doing?

>>16467592
>Did I spoil myself by reading Vance?

Yep. You now only have Gene Wolfe and then science fiction is over for you. After Vance and Wolfe everything else is shit.

>>16463723
I hope you don't mean every single one is bad (e.g. Lukyanenko isn't a bad writer and Sabriel is a good book for kids).

>>16468165
>gene wolfe
what a low fucking bar, holy shit i dont know why you guys suck his dick so hard, the new sun was fucking garbage

>>16468177
>what a low fucking bar, holy shit i dont know why you guys suck his dick so hard, the new sun was fucking garbage

You self-identify as an idiot. I'm interested in nothing you have to say.

>>16468190
>it was a space ship the entire time!!!
go away, tranny

>>16468177
>>16468165
>>16467592
Vance is shit. No wonder you readlets struggle.

i thought /tv/ and /v/ were bad, but you guys take the cake with getting upset over what other people like.

>>16468205
>>16468209

Why do you come on here only to declare you are a moron?

>>16461455
Molly is a fun character, so is Thomas. Those two are probably my favorite. Murphy sux ass because she’s far ruder to Dresden than she needs to be. Changes is an obvious favorite but I will be reading the series again and maybe I’ll change my mind.

>>16468220
Of course they do. This entire board is nothing but sophomoric misanthropes deluding themselves into thinking that they're better than other people because they read X thing instead of Y thing.

>>16468220
It's pol shitting up the general. You can tell them from how they only talk of three authors, and if you don't hivemind with them, they get triggered and start screeching about "dilate, tranny, closet, and seethe". They can't come up with anything else.

>>16465076
It's not a thing in real life. Basically you just grow your dantian/inner core/whatever in some way (mostly mediating and absorbing the chi/magic from your surroundings, eating rare plants/creatures/pills, using treasures, getting a glimpse of enlightenment) which makes your body stronger and lets you use stronger magic.
There are always definite steps like finally coalescing the chi in your dantian into a solid, writing runes on your dantian, etc which offer significant boosts in power and a tangible feel of growth of character's power (at least when written properly).
But I don't like Chines cultivation stories, they are very poorly written. Western cultivation/xianxia is better (e.g. Unsouled).
Just be prepared that it's power fantasy, if you want something snobby look elsewhere.

>>16468230
Dilate

>>16468249
Yes, because your preferred hivemind is so much better.

>>16468240
This entire site is nothing but sophomoric misanthropes deluding themselves into believing that they're better than other anons because they believe X thing instead of Y thing.

>>16466171
Lukyanenko's Day/Night Patrol was ok (at least its translation into Polish, can't vouch for the guy who translated it into English).
>>16466227
Sapkowski is above average but not outstanding, better books like Robert Wegner's "Opowieści z meekhańskiego pogranicza" don't get translated.

>>16468273
Preferable to groups where people genuinely believe that everything is preference and nothing is really better than anything else, but the parrots who never bother to think about the qualities that genuinely make something better are certainly insufferable

>>16468305
Except that's not true. The majority are contrarians who parrot back the opposite of the belief and who never bother to think about the qualities that genuinely make something better. It's a maximum level of inauthenticity with no concern for the genuine and where preference is irrelevant because it's all posing anyway.

>>16468333
>if someone disagrees with me, they are just parroting the opposite beliefs
oof, thats not a healthy belief to have, anon

>>16468341
And yet it is what just occurred with the post that I'm replying to with this post.

>>16464838
Everyone recommends the Drizzt books so start there I guess.

>>16468161
I bought the ebook then went to bed, I will start reading once I am back from work

>>16468393
Just because it's the most popular doesn't mean it's the best.

>>16467510
So scifibros nobody have a rec for this?

>>16468393
>>16468405
I always hated Drizzt, he's basically Sasuke except DnD. Honestly if you want to read some trashy fantasy that's executed well you're better off with the Gotrek and Felix novels by William King.

you guys ever have a book you loved when you were young, but went back to it and it wasnt the best? i loved dragonlance when i was middleschool/early highschool, had like 100 and some of the books. 20 odd years later, i go buy the first book of the first series, and who boy, its not the great series i remember

>>16468410
everyone knows the real hero of the drizzt books was that mentally retarded dwarf druid, pikel.

>>16468406
It's tiring to type out the same posts every thread.

>>16468236
Is Harry ever going to fuck Mab? She seems like she hasn't been fucked in literal ages(that time to make Harry into winter night don't count) and I feel there is a connection building between them.

>>16468415
Far, far, too many, but that's fine. That's how being different people at different times of our lives simply is.

>>16468425
I apologize then, I've never been in these threads, Ill check the archive

>>16468406
Check archives

>>16468426
I actually could see it, Harry’s character is kind of a sexual lightning rod and the fact that Mab is an authority figure over him might be the angle Butcher is going for.

>>16468442
>>16468425
Should be an easy answer then
Yet, I have never seen one

>>16468426
nah, harry is going to let the original merlin out, im assuming thats the guy locked in the cage under the island that told harry to bugger off, and he and mab are a thing

https://voca.ro/1bPoqYVi04FF

>>16464691
cause she was the perfect waifu

>>16466929
guy who played Spike on Buffy narrates em and he does a pretty decent job

>>16468470
based

>>16468459
Easy answers are never good answers.
The willfully blind see but do not comprehend.

>>16468470
Go back to the discord voicechat.

>>16468508
what a dumb statement, if i need directions to the hospital, i want the easiest direction

>>16468415
I have this reaction to the entire 'genre' of epic fantasty in general. I used to love all the dumb shit in those books but now I'm just too old, long-winded whinging by authors about fantasy elements and magic systems just doesn't hit me anymore. It just feels dumb and silly now.

>>16468519
>I'm just too old
Congrats on being early 20s.

>>16468519
what a dumb statement, if i need directions to the hospital, i want the quickest direction with an acceptable amount of risk rather than the easiest directions and taking longer.

I am a complete pleb when it comes to scifi, I recently read New Sun and Short Sun and was wondering where to go from there, what sort of books are similar.

I also thought Dying Earth was interesting

>>16468177
>Filtering yourself THIS hard
Just say you didn't get it and get on with reading Name of the Wind for the umpteenth time, homo

The constant Vance Wolfe posts are really something.

>>16461861
After Gibson, cyberpunk literature died. Snow Crash is tongue-in-cheek at best, it doesn't take itself seriously.

>>16468580
So, in other words, it was mostly dead on arrival.

>>16468585
Exactly. As a literary movement, it was a flash in the pan. Gibson wrote so vividly

>>16468488
It's why I "read" all the books. He actually made them better. I understand what eyelets get grumpy with Dresden for, because they aren't experiencing James Marsters

>>16468595
so vividly, but he inspired other genres. Gaming, anime, film, TV, music. There aren't any serious cyberpunk books outside his

>>16468602
>>16468595
But that's wrong. I understand how that makes it a lot easier for you to not read any other cyberpunk books though. In the same way people make the same argument for fantasy as a whole.

>>16468609
What would you recommend? In my opinion, Cyberpunk is an extremely niche genre. Fantasy is basically ancient, there are countless subgenres of fantasy. I wouldn't make the same argument for fantasy at all.

>>16466925
Are you excited about the FACT of Cyberpunk 2077?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_D1qlwOp0

>>16468710
Games are mindless wastes that place zero value on the players' time.

>>16468738
>he says while browsing 4channel.com
???

>>16468738
:(

>>16468741
>>16468745
Suffer.

>>16468738
Dude that game has the potential to revive the Cyberpunk thing.

>>16468755
Delusional.

>>16468738
>>16468749
>>16468760
why you are like thaaat

>>16468808
Irrelevant.

is there any reason to read this if i finished the other 7 books and was completely satisfied with the way it all ended

>>16469038
>completely satisfied
No, you shouldn't then. You can only become less satisfied.

>>16469055
thanks, thats what i figured
i'll leave it on the shelf for when im bored one day

Any fantasy books with autistic protagonists?

>>16469109
joe abercrombies 2nd series, the main character recruits some people to help murder her way through the continent, and one of them is a guy who has severe autism. he also gets hard on thinking about numbers

>>16468710
I don't buy into any hype for anything but they've done good work in the past. It looks like standard cyberpunk which is what most cpunk is today, corporate-ruled dystopia. I doubt it's going to push the envelope for the genre but there will probably be some good stories in it.

I think cyberpunk lit stopped innovation in the '90s but I'd love to be proven wrong.

battle ground is up on zlibrary

Is the series about anything or is it just things happening and descriptions of action scenes?

>>16469171

>>16468710
Neons are cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqrPRFwpuMg&feature=youtu.be&t=21

>>16468406
Revelation Space, Chasm City

>>16469158
or buy it and support the author. Dresden files is not the greatest series but it has minimal sjw stuff and it is not bad.

>>16469318
After the shitshow that was Peace Talks I really regret ever supporting this hack.

>>16469186

Are Butcher's books about anything of value or are they throwaway entertainment like Star Wars or the Avengers?

>>16469523
Throwaway enjoyable garbage, so think Star Wars original trilogy.

>>16468562
Book of the Long Sun is in some aspects better than BotNS and definitely better than Short Sun. Why you'd read Short Sun before it is a question that you should ponder yourself.

But 5th Head of Cerberus, and some of Wolfe's short stories. Tracking Song is an absolute must, it's basically a novella about as long as any of the 3 novellas in 5th Head.

>>16469109
The Dao of magic

>>16462377
Latro in the mist

>>16464319
>No woman will enjoy fucking you either, beta.

>>16468177
>you guys
Try most of the literary world, it's ok to be stupid

>>16466735
Post your work, I want to see an underappreciated artist's unique genius.

Anyone finished battle ground yet, or will it be a while before there’s any discussion of it?

>>16470413
I'm having the same trouble with it as I did with PT, namely, it fails to capture me. Guess I'm getting too old for pulp.

>>16470413
>>16470497
>discussion
>too old
lol

>>16469523
Think of supernatural +some romance and single pov, but somewhat more indepth (because it's a book series and butcher is more or less ab author) and much less jewish.

>>16469344
It wasn't bad except it wasn't a full book.

>>16470497
As I recall changes didn’t do that much for me at the time either - I suspect like changes this will be an instalment I appreciate mostly for its aftermath

>>16470702
"not a full book" is a meme.

And where's the Battleground download Link... cus I cant buy IT. Help another Anon if you please.

>>16470980
Why can’t you buy it?

I havent the money, well that and THE fact i'm from Chavezland.

>>16471028
I havent the Money... well that and The fact i'm living in MaduroLand

>>16471111
It's been up on zlibrary for half a day

Why do some people here have to much disdain for the Malazan Series?

After reading a lot of the trash you guys recommend, it was one of the very few series I've actually enjoyed.

>>16469523
They're mediocre as hell, Summer Knight and the book where they break into Hades' vault are the only entertaining ones
Butcher honestly peaked with Codex Alera

>>16471176
whats the other ones you enjoyed? there is a music project about the Malazan Series if you like metal with synths you will enjoy it, the band is called "Caladan Brood"

>>16471208
The Book of the new Sun Series. Not much else I've truly enjoyed.

The Wheel of Time is an abomination and Sanderson doesn't cut it for me, he clearly writes for teenagers and progressive women.

>>16471176
>Why do some people here have to much disdain for the Malazan Series?
Because the writing, characters and plot is video game tier.

>>16471235
What do you like? I'm genuinely curious, because I haven't found a lot a things that were better than it for the genre.

>>16471169
Thank you Anon

>>16469118
appropriate, as only the autistic can find anything enjoyable about Abercrombie.

>>16471256
Chronicles of Amber is probably my favorite fantasy book series of all time, although the Merlin's saga is kinda shitty compared to Corwin's.

>>16471208
caladan brood is based

>>16471225>>16471176

if you like malazan try bakker

>>16471299
>bakker
Bakker's writing is dreadful though.

>>16471326
are you kidding? his prose is excellent

>bakker
Slog of slogs, boys!

>>16471111
Of course you have the money, it’s only £10. If you actually cared you could scrape the money together for it.

>>16471336
>if I keep talking about prose people will think I'm a serious aesthete

>>16471593
His 'writing' is literally NOT awful

>>16467957
The Stars My Destination was written well before cyberpunk was a thing, but hit on a lot of the central tenets, and is a fun read.

>>16471354
>weeper faggot

>>16471326
Sometimes he writes in Canadian, I know what you mean,,, he can be making perfect sense and then it seems like he thinks to himself “I’m making too much sense, people might understand my ramblings” and proceeds to go full savant.

But I love the guy and the books are fucking insane, nothing else quite like em. I highly HIGHLY recommended em but would advice putting it at the back of your catalogue because it will ruin high epic fantasy for you and make everything else very gay in comparison.

>>16471336
CUNNY

>>16471870
Some of his prose is extremely tiring to read.

English is not my first language, but I don't think that's the main reason.

>>16471593
Here's a literal random quote from one of his books, exactly halfway through

>The air was rifled by the commanding cries of thanes, barons, and their majordomos. Men hastened into their gear. Horsemen streamed between the tents. Armoured men knelt in circles, praying. Wine was passed, bread hastily broken and devoured. Bands of men drifted to their places in the line, some singing, some watchful. Small groups of wives and prostitutes waved hands and coloured scarfs at passing troops of mounted warriors. Priests intoned the most profound benedictions.

>By the time the sun gilded the Meneanor, the Inrithi had assembled in rank after glorious rank across the fields. Several hundred paces away an immense arc of silvered armour, brilliant coats, and stamping horses awaited them. From the southern heights to the dark Sempis, the Fanim encompassed the horizon. Great divisions of horsemen trotted across the northern pastures. Arms flashed from the walls and turrets of Anwurat. Deep formations of spearmen darkened the shallow embankments to the south. More horsemen massed across the southern hilltops, following the heights to the sea. Every distance, it seemed, bristled with heathen.

not sure what's supposed to be so bad about this.

>>16471901
Exactly, his prose uses rich language, and not just the "author invested in an extra-large thesaurus"-kinda language
Even if I've heard that complaint, but really, who the fuck wants simple language in fantasy, I need archaic words to get into spirit

The problems are in the 2nd part of the books, or at least it's a much bigger problem there
So much repetition, and bloat
Pulling attention to the same details again and again, stuff like that
Like he forgot he already explained how certain things work, if the same things are reoccurring don't explain it in the same words, just skip to the results, or bring some new reflections (mostly talking about stuff going on inside people's heads here)

So do we like the new Dresden book? I don’t like being in limbo not knowing what my opinion is.

>>16471890
Oh, then fuck off faggot

>>16468580
>>16468595

fucking Diamond Age dudes

>>16472299
Diamond Age is post cyberpunk. The cyberpunk character is literally killed off in the first chapter.

>there are 20 tarzan books
Where do you stop?

>>16472195
ill let you know when I have the audiobook

>>16472195
I have read about 30%, it is mostly all action, it is not bad but it's very linear and no plot twists.

>>16472726
>>16473010
I finished it this morning, I know what’s in it. I just want to be told what to think about it.

>>16468467
> assuming thats the guy locked in the cage under the island that told harry to bugger off
So I'm not the only one who thinks that

just finished the dark forest trilogy, was pretty neat. looking for something similar. first contact/interstellar war kinda thing with interesting alien technology or culture

>>16471401
> only £10
Anon, it's around 20£ where I live, and that's not even counting the difference in purchasing power between currencys.

In Maduroland taht anon could purchase a shitload of stuff with 10£

>>16472568
...at the end?

>>16473126
Fuck you there's no way that all of them are worth my time.

>>16473157
Probably not even the first was with that attitude.

>>16473203
>"they will try to kill us if they see us," replied tarzan "I prefer to be the killer"
>"maybe they are friends," suggested d'arnot
>"they are black," was tarzan's only reply
It's pretty good, but not even series like Hyperion or Dune were good for more than a handful of books so surely Tarzan drops off.

>>16473248
Only you can know when a book is disrespecting your time and has to be ritually disposed of to maintain your honor.

>>16471889
I realize this is meant to be comparison of the whole kvothe cuck thing (I think, I hope I’m not just projecting) but this scene just hits different.
Kvothe is like some virgin in highschool who digs Stacey but staceys constantly getting plowed by brads and chads and he’s even like “I’m okay with it ;p”!!
Akka is the punished fool who sadly loves a whore (she’s a 10/10 apparently tho) and has to deal with her still taking custom, but here’s the big thing tho: AT LEAST HE FUCKS LMAOOOOO (and esmi loves him too show some respect)
There’s also more to it but I’m to retarded to word it

>>16468580
>>16468602
>>16468609
>>16468664
Snow Crash brings social satire to cyberpunk and is also written by someone who knows programming, unlike Gibson. But the '90s also included Vurt which added mythology, Rim which was written by someone who actually knows about Japan/Asia, and Ribofunk which explores biotech. (Gibson/Cadigan/idk who else used biotech as plot points but didn't really get into it.)

>>16468585
The cyberpunks themselves declared their own movement dead soon after arrival but that was aa short sighted reaction to its quick commercialization.

>>16473285
>rim
FUCK Rim

>>16473113
Really great series. Loved the hardness of the scifi.

Joe Haldeman-The Forever War
Arthur C Clark-Rendezvous with Rama
Niven/Pournelle- The Mote in Gods Eye
John Scalzi-Old Mans War

Not as hard as Lius book, more philosophical, but good reads.

>>16473307
Nice random cut-off text.

>>16473345
No, fucking retard, look at the line lengths.

>>16473315
ive read rama, pretty great too. ive heard a bit about the forever war, how its considered a metaphor for vietnam vets? is it really heavy on that stuff?

>>16473307
i prefer unjustified text or whatever it's called

>>16473366
It doesn't matter. Don't expect others to care about your personal issues.

>>16473387
non autists get the fuck off my board

>>16473391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhKGtgcZghc

>>16461455
Michael is my favorite character by far. Are there any books that are like Dresden Files but religious and with an mc like Michael? So obviously not the edge fest of Sandman Slim.

>>16466888
These books actually look decent

>>16473426
I agree, but not enough for me to personally want to read them after having read the preview.

>>16473377
Pretty much, all the golden classics were post vietnam era. Forever War in my opinion is the most sentimental on the topics of "us vs them" and the individuals identity becoming subsumed in the military while society and it's views changes around them while they themselves remain static.

Didn't really like the Scalzi books they seemed more threadbare, but I think you'll like Forever War, 70s sci fi is more introspective and critical of society.

>>16468811
mean

>>16473520
Necessary.

>>16473519
>Pretty much, all the golden classics were post vietnam era
That wasn't the "Golden Age" of sci-fi at all.

>>16473537
a-are you trying to offend me? because it's not happening you know

>>16473621
Insouciant.

>>16473621
>>16473629
Shut up, fags

>>16473637
Impotent.

>>16470413
I’ve finished it and would participate. Kind of lost interest in the series for years and PT didn’t change my mind. Battlegrounds, on the other hand, really won me back over

>>16473629
>>16473637
one of you two must be the one getting high yesterday
go take a breath faggot

>>16473717
Correct.

>>16473717
*Takes bong hit*
Bro
*Listens to Alan Watts*
You wouldn't understand

>>16473748
come on dude stop doing that

>>16473805
Eventually.

>>16473854
no, i mean to be getting high

>>16473868
cannabinoids are good for you. in moderation.

>>16473868
Puritan

>>16473874
I've never done it in my life

>>16473406
Kys

>>16473889
why is it supposed to be good? for what?

>>16473895
Antecede

>>16473899
Uninterested

>>16473114
Even if it’s £25 he can still buy it. Poorfags get the rope desu, along with their excuses.

>>16473706
What did you like about it anon? We can have our discussion in spoilers.

>>16473915
>killing the slaves who devote their lives to support the lifestyles of the wealthy
Truly you're an idiot.

>>16470413
>>16470497
>>16473706
>>16473924
Don't say you will. Be the discussion you want to see. Others will join you or not, but unless someone starts it can never begin.

>>16473947
Ideally wait until the next thread.

>>16473924
>>16473958
I’ll wait until next thread to really get into it, I just thought the author played his “pieces” very well and the twists were unexpected, but logical

>>16473891
>>16473899
anxiety, tension, depression, physical pain. then music sounds better and life is funnier.

>>16473999
>knows people he can buy weed from and does so
Fuck you normalfag fucking die

>>16474007
1. washington state. there's literally a store next to my apartment. (illegal weed is cheaper)
2. highly normie-passing but i'm definitely an odd introvert
/blog

I'm depressed. Any fun escapism books? This and Glory Road are my favorites.

>>16473999
that would do me good and no, i'm not a puritan

why do people give a shit about tattersail, she appears for like 250 pages of a 12000 page work

>>16474969
>appears for like 250 pages of a 12000 page work
You basically just described every character in the entire series.

Is battleground looking good enough to actually buy it, of should I just wait for a pdf

>>16475124
>pdf
Idiocy

>>16475126
I disagree

>>16475133
Your disagreement doesn't matter.

>>16475138
I disagree

>>16475141
I disagree.