/lit/ - Literature

that dude is coasting on good looks. why make video essays about philosophy?

>>16445329
hes doing really well while also being quite fair to the guys hes critiquing

ivantheheathen is retarded trying to paint him as a nominalist Keith is doing some great work

>>16445360
hes pretty average looking unless youre a fag
>>16445442
this but his appraisal of Moldbug wasn't great
only a minor fault though

>>16445329
I feel like hes retreading too much ground lately desu but he’s alright. Really naive at points though and associates with some retards sometimes

>>16445329
>nu-pagans
>esoteric
>moldbug
qrd?

Stop spamming this pseud

>>16445329
Isn't he actually a Christian? I hear him defending Christianity on spencer's show

>loves mishima
Homosadist

>>16445329
When he reaches the age of 40, I'll take a look.

>>16445329
>imagine caring about ontology and transcendental truths and then just becoming a sissy perennialist
It is the enlightened fence straddling centrist of metaphysics.

>>16445451
why, did he make you seethe too?

Is he a zoomer? He looks mid to late 20s.

>>16445329
>>16445360
>>16445442
>>16445446
>>16445447
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>>16445458
Literally WHO? I don't watch Richard Spencer.

>>16445453
He defends Christianity over the death of God and its implications, but he is by no means a Christian

>>16445453
yea Keith was passively defending Eastern Fathers in the livestream with Joel Davis
that might've been Joels most dissapointing stream he just handwaved the incarnation like some New Atheist. He at least should have some kind of pomo critique or something beyond just "hurr durr jeebus dying so I dont go to hell sound dumb so christcucks wrong"

>>16445466
Earliest Zoomers are born 1995 to my knowledge

>>16445467
yea good you dont need to Spencer is a pseud but Fuentes is kinda boring now

>>16445479
That's well too early.
But I was just wondering what his age actually is.

>>16445467
Nick is a political commentary and a comedian (an excellent one at that). He is not a philosopher and not even in the same league as Keith on subjects of political philosophy or philosophy in general

>>16445329
he or his stupid face?

>>16445492
He's 25

>>16445329
>he's the most based because his views are the most esoteric!
Brainlet

>>16445329
Damn bro it's cool and all that he makes so many people seethe and he's well read but without Christ's saving Grace he's still going to Hell.

>>16445480
Yeah things are getting a bit dry now, he should think about doing some different stuff. But I get the feeling it's just some calm before the storm, that goes along with being a streamer and not a video poster.

>>16445493
Fuentes grounds that however in political philosophy and religion, which I would guess to at least some extent rivals Keith. I doubt Keith would be able to beat him in an argument though(considering the ability of most his age).

What does Keith even believe, what are some figures he is an expert on?

>>16445514
>Fuentes grounds that however in political philosophy and religion
You really are an exceptional retard, aren't you? Nick is one of the most poorly read political commentators to date. He's literally said that all he's read in the way of political philosophy is one book by Mill and another by Paine. In terms of religion he's only ever read excerpts from the Bible, not even the whole thing. He calls himself Catholic yet he's not even read the Catechism.

>>16445329
Im a gay man and he makes me hard. I’m assuming he’s straight but why can’t gay men be more like this?

>>16445530
>He's literally said that all he's read in the way of political philosophy is one book by Mill and another by Paine.
Literally what? Have you seen his book-club segment? At the very least there are Evola, Chesterton and the typical Paleocon's like Buchanan. Besides who hurt your feefees Kieth? What you've said is just utterly false and shows you don't know anything about his influences, and the meme that Fuentes as only read excerpts from the Bible or Mathews alone I've never found a source for.

>Everyone here HAAAATES you. You attention seeker!
>daily tubers
>daily daddy threads
Now this nobody
>He makes everyone seeeethe
Single issue kid.
>The Holy Trinity of /lit/ is ...
DFW, Joyce and Pynchon, you fag.

>>16445537
cus they be takin fat loads of spunk into dey rectal cavity nah mean?

When is he going to redpill Jacksepticeye?

>>16445514
Nick and Keith really have identical political views in the pragmatic sense of things.

Nick calls himself a conservative and positions himself on the right, Keith rejects this all together and believes that the left-right dichotomy is a product of the enlightenment, modernity and liberalism. Keith is a Traditionalist in the philosophical sense (Guenon, Evola). He holds that all perennial religions point towards an esoteric truth: the One (Platonism), God (Christianity) or Brahman (Hinduism). The reason he makes nu-Pagans seethe on twitter is because he believes they have no philosophical ground to stand on and they are essential a LARP. The way to go beyond the LARPing would be to do what Julian the Apostate wanted to do; by synthesizing Paganism (exoteric teachings) with Neoplatonism (esoteric philosophy)

Politically he's a third positionist.

who

>>16445557
The only thing worse than twitterfags.

>>16445567
>Politically he's a third positionist.
I see, thank you for this. But checking his twitter I thought I could remember him being anti-Christian, is there any truth to this?

>>16445453
defending christianity, or anything, from retards and charlatans doesn't make you a member or supporter of that thing. i'm fully irreligious and not going to LARP otherwise but i often defend religions from both the irreligious and religious.

>>16445467
Fuente's views are incomprehensible. He spent ages bitching about 'wignats' desiring a racial state while advocating for this weird American nationalism shtick which essentially results in slightly racist Brazilification while trying to build a big tent that excludes anyone to the right of him. He decries the 'wignats' for being ineffective and unoptical but then is stuck in the permanent loser ideology of conservatism.

>>16445604
>anti-Christian, is there any truth to this?
The easiest way to explain this is that Keith agrees with Nietzsche's descriptive claims of Christianity; that it's egalitarian and is the reason to why the West adopted Liberalism was the logical end of Christianity. Keith rejects materialism and ultimately disagrees with Nietzsche on his prescriptive claims. If the choice was ultimately between materialism and Christianity, Keith would have to choose the latter but ideally he would want to not have to do that and instead maybe follow only the esoteric teachings of Christianity that share similarities with Hinduism, Neoplatonism or even Sufism.

>>16445513
lmao @ xianity why do you people exist? The greek philosophical tradition speaks more truth about God than those rancid Jews whose dicks you suck

>>16445631
He's mad that when the Republican Party needed a "face of the youth", they chose Charlie Kirk, who is gay gay, over him, who is only gay. He's a good stepping stone, but he's the 2020 equivalent of Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson: you're supposed to move past them.

Keith is a youtube sophist, but he actually reads books and is consistent in his views (whether he's right or not is really irrelevant).

>>16445453
pretty much this >>16445626. Id say the true mark of a smart person is the ability to see the value in something even though you do not believe in it in full. instead of creating arbirary pro-con partisan lines you can understand and apreciate something without being a subscriber to it.

>>16445649
I see, thank you for this anon. And without starting a fight with the most respected replier here, I feel like this is a common fault of traditionalists to fall into, they lose philosophy but not for a sincere or historically realistic religious conception either. Still I like traditionalism a lot, but it has its flaws being a modern thing trying to be an old thing.

>>16445655
Nick is literally a Fascist, he's just trying to be realistic with being an American nationalist and not a 1940's German nationalist. He's religion is also Christianity, and not National Socialism, so there's no need for him to advocate "le Hitler" publicly though he did all but say it for many years, as that's not the most important thing to his belief and the reason he excludes such figures who believe this that would be considered "farther right than him", is because they aren't entirely politically sincere in being Americans or some other and calling themselves 1940's German nationalists.

>>16445675
>Nick is literally a Fascist
No, he literally is not. He's a Big Tent Conservative. He's trying to get as many people under the tent as possible so they can all vote Trump and go to church and everything will be based. He's just shifting the overton window of the system, he's not actually attacking it. He's not even really a dissident at all. He's just trying to make it socially acceptable to Own The Libs on TV. He's trying to turn Right Wing dissidence into a product to be consumed for the benefit of the system.

>>16445675
This. Nick is not a conservative and the whole "I'm a campus conservative paleo-con" is a meme. There's no such thing as a paleo-con. Nick is anti-enlightenment, anti-liberal and antimodernist. Nick is in the best description a Third Positionist (transcending the left-right dichotomy). I'm telling you this on /lit/, and if we were in a different situation I would call Nick a conservative because of optics. Nick operates on optics, and that means he has to appeal to boomers who still operate under the left-right dichotomy

>>16445696
False.

>>16445702
The very fact that you have to defend him by saying
>he's just trying to be realistic
is evidence that he's trying to remain within the system. If you're not trying to ditch the current system (overthrow or get out from under), then you aren't a dissident.

>>16445696
Let me ask you a simple question: can you be anti-liberal, anti-enlightenment and a conservative? Easy question, yes or no.

>>16445696
God, I wish I could consume more right wing product. Left wing product just seems more disengenuous and the worst of both words. the snudy haughty attitude of the left layed over the assembly line profiteering of the right. I want to at least not be coddled when I am on the assembly line.

>>16445696
>No, he literally is not. He's a Big Tent Conservative. He's trying to get as many people under the tent as possible so they can all vote Trump
Yes because that is the only viable possibility, an active political figure is a figure having an effect.

>>16445702
>This. Nick is not a conservative and the whole "I'm a campus conservative paleo-con" is a meme. There's no such thing as a paleo-con. Nick is anti-enlightenment, anti-liberal and antimodernist. Nick is in the best description a Third Positionist (transcending the left-right dichotomy). I'm telling you this on /lit/, and if we were in a different situation I would call Nick a conservative because of optics. Nick operates on optics, and that means he has to appeal to boomers who still operate under the left-right dichotomy
This, he even used to say "names you can use that are more optical are paleocon, I use that one more often, and then there's also distributist..." and so on, he doesn't care about "muh political belief", it's just practical.

>>16445710
Nick is not anti-Liberal, as he is defending Liberalism. Nick is not anti-Enlightenment, as he is defending the Enlightenment. The sheer fact that he advocates mass democracy as a solution to, well, anything is a testament to both of these facts. You can't be a Conservative in America without being a dissident, and as the only thing to "conserve" in America is Liberalism and Enlightenment thinking, he is not a Conservative.

Note where the capital letters are in that, because by defending Liberalism and the Enlightenment, he is actually a conservative. But he is not a Conservative.

>>16445726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DosO9MiHVaI

Here you go; this refutes your whole argument.

What's with right-wingers and e-celebs?

>>16445742
Daddy issues.

>>16445742
Same thing with left wingers and ecelebs. They need to be indoctrinated by pseuds to get their firmware update.

>>16445742
Literally how is different from left wingers? They went zealous over Zizek for a good few months/year.

>>16445750
Arendt is third position.

>>16445732
Refuted by >>16445723
>the only viable possibility
Defending mass democracy is a defense of the Enlightenment and Liberalism. You will never get a candidate elected who is anti-Enlightenment and Illiberal. Go read the Federalist Papers, stopping something like that from happening has been built into the system since Day One.

>>16445467
Based

How is he literally this cute bros?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SIaIZA3pgE

>>16445758
What is this “third position”?

>>16445513
>without Christ's saving Grace he's still going to Hell.
Silence pagan.

>>16445785
From what I can gather(not him btw), not subscribing to any specific popular political belief, and it often, especially when on the right, has some traditional religiousness in it.

>>16445785
Basically a nazi.

>>16445794
Not him, but how is he a pagan?

What university did he attend, and what degree?

Just learning about him now.

-Antirerationalism, the emotions are exalted on all the things. Fascism is idealistic, spiritual, contrary to materialism
-Anticlericalism, generally (at least in Italian fascism) religious institutions are attacked as corrupt, selfish and moral, but the beliefs of the people are respected.
-Class harmonism, based on the idea of a proletarian homeland but without abolishing social classes. That is, a collaboration of classes governed by the figure of the state (corporatism): All workers equal
-Socialization of the media to serve the interests of the people, but without the need to abolish private property. The state must control the economy. Similar to self-managed socialism
-Protectionism and economic management

That is fascism, Nick the faggot is just a racist liberal without any clear political project regarding the state.

if he is looking for some fresh subs, he should shill on tiktok

>>16445329
Absolutely based. I've been watching him since he had 100 subs. Best content on YouTube.

@Zarathustatime reading your arguments with materialists in the replies to Keith's posts reminds me of my arguments with B*ddhist faggots on /lit/

t. Guenonfag

>>16445329
>mishima
please let this meme die. Mishima is a histrionic homosexual. The kind of reprobate Evola and Kaczynski demand be gatekept at all costs. Everything he ever did was purely for erotic aestetic purposes. He was a literal coomer. Spiritually dead, morally retarded.

How is a 25 year old this well-read?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Sc2InWUSEKF/

>>16445890
As I recall him saying he reads 100 books a year

>>16445467
B-b-based! this nigga does all the thinkin for me!

I'm tired of your teenage e-celebs you know.

>>16445861
>t. Buddhist

>>16445931
Zoom zoom, gotta go!

>>16445890
He literally says he often doesn't read all of them or skims, I mean there's nothing wrong with that but that's pretty typical for a young intelligent intellectual looking for what more he can know.