/lit/ - Literature

>>16422946
I've been studying Japanese for some time. For those looking to learn a language, I recommend finding a copy of 'Forever Fluent...' on the high seas. It has some pretty helpful tips.

>>16422946
I recommend Matt vs. Japan on yt. He has a good approach to language learning that I've been using for Latin since COVID started.

>>16423250
I just checked out his channel the other day, but it looked like he was going through some e-celeb drama with his business partner. I'm not sure if he'll continue to offer a lot of those language learning perks.

>>16422946
I've been learning french, been struggling to find youtubers that I don't find lame

>>16422946
Japanese. I learned a bit of it as a kid and thought I should probably finish.
>What tools are you using to study and learn?
Anki is pretty good. Once you learn the basic vocabulary and understand the grammar a lot of falls into place. I guess it's probably the same for every language, or maybe everybody just learns differently.

Japanese

Learning French for shits and giggles. May learn Finnish afterwards.

>>16423502
oof

>>16422946
I've been on and off learning Chinese for the last few years. I took 2 years of it in college and even did a semester in Shanghai. I learned a lot in that time but eventually plateaued. It's hard when I can't practice speaking with someone. Also there are basically no good Chinese tv shows or movies so I have no way to learn via osmosis.

>>16423508
HelloTalk is a good app for meeting language partners, but the conversations can become dull if you're not serviceable in your target language. Why Chinese?

>>16423508
>no good tv
It actually has the best tv.
Watch three kingdoms (2010)

Gimme a list of the most /lit/ languages. I'm hunting for language books.

I hope when you guys say you want language books you're talking about books in your tl not books about how to speak your tl

2k hours of listening to polish. Still not able to speak or understand it

>>16423781
thats a lot of effort, where are you from?

English is not my first language, so I'm actually maintaining my knowledge of it by posting here among other things. Sometimes I write short stories.
I also speak some German, just enough to find the duolingo app actually useful. I honestly feel sorry for any beginners to a language that use that thing, it's the language teaching equivalent of the father tossing his kid into water to teach it how to swim. You don't really get any good notes to learn from, just some halfassed tips at beginning of each lesson, and then you immediately go to a test that takes one life away for each wrong answer, with only five lives available.
Should probably find where I put my German textbooks...

>>16422946
I’ve been trying to get quirks old English grammar from my local books shop BUT ITS BEEN A WEEK AND I STILL DONT HAVE IT. It’s making it real difficult to support local businesses when they’re SHIT.

>>16422946
Latin

>>16423899
I’m also learning latin via wheelocks.

>>16423781
>he fell for the inpoot meme

>>16423508
Three kingdoms 1994 boy, it cant go wrong bigga

>>16425199
I've seen the 2010 remake, but I can see how this one could be even better. Wonder if there's a subtitled version somewhere online.

Would it make any sense to learn Swedish? I speak Dutch and German so the language isn't looking to be all that foreign or hard to learn. I'm just wondering if there's any need at all for the skill on the job market.

>>16423286
If you look at his older vids, the approach still works the same. Mass immersion gives your brain the examples it needs to produce the language like a native.

>>16426716
Not really. You can find a job in Sweden even if you don't know the language. Hell, you can get the citizenship too.

>>16422946

>>16422946
English
currently reading Black Company and Practical English Usage by Michael Swan.

any ressources for learning Gods language; Italian?

>>16426892
https://www.youtube.com/user/ITALIANOAUTOMATICO

Big language guy here, currently focusing on Persian and Latin. Feels good man.

>>16422946
I'm also throwing down with the good old 中文 these days. If you're EU, the Routledge grammar workbook series is dry but good

>>16423250
>>16423286
I don't care for edrama either but he has a bunch of cool tools and methods. I think using anki with the resetez, pass/fail addons is a must and he has vids on how to set that up.

>>16422946
been learning german on/off for 3 years. not very advanced, maybe b1 but i've been slacking lately.

>>16427375
>>16426748
You may enjoy Dogen's pitch accent course. For 10 USD on patreon, you can just download the entire course's worth of videos. Though, it's only really helpful if you want to develop a Japanese accent.

>>16422946
I started learning Russian when the Iron Maiden revolution kicked off 6 or so years ago, using Rosetta Stone...tried duo lingo for a little bit but the information was redundant from what I learned with Rosetta and it also seemed to be a much slower process so wouldn’t recommend it

>>16427623
A few years after that the us election kicked off and I had more fun than I should have seeding confusion among democrats, them thinking I was a Russian troll interfering with elections but am just a nobody anon, their stupidity was pure entertainment

>>16422946
>What language is /lit/ learning?
Sumerian and Akkadian.
>What books are you reading?
Mostly reading Neo-Sumerian and Neo-Assyrian royal inscriptions at the moment.
>What tools are you using to study and learn?
My classes, chrestomathies and grammars.

>>16423699
French

Anyone learning a celtic language?

>>16423457
Also picked up French over the summer, but lately, I've struggled finding time to practice.

Introduction to
Comprehensible INPUT (and related theories):

Quick, general overview of the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM

Documentary where man learns Arabic in less than a year using only CI (no grammar, rote, etc.). Features interviews with academics, including Krashen, and the supporting research for the Input Thesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illApgaLgGA [Embed]

The theory of CI and related theses explained by the author himself
https://www.sk.com.br/sk-krash-english.html

Short series of videos introducing the theses (the channel also does
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4ZBbfT4_Zu674U3Hv2HgjqdRKngG9yWW

Great set of resources for how to teach using this methodology
http://teachingcomprehensibly.com/tci-introduction/

Here are some real examples implementing this school of thought. The method they are using is called 'TPRS', which is simply storytelling in the target language, while using visual cues to help with comprehensibility.
More info here:
http://teachingcomprehensibly.com/tprs/

Two separate examples of an ESL student with no experience teaching, successfully teaches their native language using the above principles
Korean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Xj3rGu1T0
Persian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_D32rc7vfk

Spanish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGJ5Taw9Ee8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJjrOaYSEg

Chinese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAjVbs3RLA

Russian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3NXj9kGxTI

French:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MxUsevYKzA

Here's something called a 'Cross Talk' which applies the same principles in a slightly different way.
Polish/Japanese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3qqYyQC9ww

Twenty consecutive days of learning German on Duolingo. Also Listening to the Luther Bible on my headphones.

>>16427729
>>16427736
Based anon. Thanks for putting together this list of resources.

>>16427729
>>16427736
Ummm based

Is there any lit reason to learn Hindi?

>>16422946
I was gonna learn French but the pronunciation is too hard so I'm probably gonna learn Portuguese. It's sad because French looks so easy.

>>16423684
bro it has the largest population in the world and fully domestic media, all you can recommend is a show from 2010? all chinese media seems tacky and like a caricature of hollywood (which is already bad enough) even movies and shows marketed as 'good' (they're not). your recommendation seems alright though.

>>16426904
that guy, is that a normal italian accent?

>>16422946
French and Esperanto

>>16427966
Native English speaker?

>>16428107
Yes

>>16428150
I'm going to guess the sounds that are hard are the "r" sound, the "u" sound, and the nasalized vowels?

>>16428189
yup

>>16427729
>>16427736
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>>16427810
Another bad thing about studying grammar is that it doesn't actually exist in the language and is heavily influenced by the grammars, the descriptions, of other languages. Worse, the same grammar words and terms are used across languages despite them not being the same, there is no universal noun or verb class, much less adjective or the other less foundational classes. Colloquial universal labelling is a useful shorthand but leads to misunderstanding more often than not.

For instance, teaching the words that resemble pronouns in Japanese or Indonesian as pronouns leads you to simply not understand what they are or how to use them because you're ripping understanding from another language and a grammatical tradition whose baggage is poorly applicable. Of course, it's usually just pretending to learn a language while you learn some half-arsed ""rules"" that barely cover the language's complexities.

>>16428198
The "u" sound isn't too difficult - it's just unfamiliar to Anglophones. Try rounding your lips as if you're making the English "oo" sound, then vocalize the English "eee" sound while doing it. That's the French "u" sound. The "r" isn't too hard. To Anglophones it sounds sort of like a combination of kh or ch (as in loch) and a guttural r. It's produced by kind of pressing the back of your tongue upwards towards the uvula and making a voiced fricative sound.

>>16427670
There is a French anon in /lang/ learning Breton

>>16428257
To add to this anon, the English r comes from the middle of the tongue, the Spanish r from the tip of the tongue, and the French r from the back of the tongue. Imagine you are hocking up a loogie (i.e. clearing your throat) when pronouncing the French r.

La rivière

I've been learning Russian for the past few weeks. Right now I'm drilling vocabulary with Memrise and I'm at 255 words and phrases, and I'm practicing cursive. Soon I'll have to introduce grammar, comprehensible input, etc.

Are there any conlangs other than Esperanto that have actual works written in them?

>>16428761
Modern Hebrew

>>16422946
My Koine Greek mid term is Friday.

>>16423502
why finnish?

>>16422946
Μανθανω κοινή ελληνικός. Λαλεω μικρόν.

>>16422946
I'm learning spanish and am fluent in regular, easy conversations, but my overall lvl is really mediocre and I feel I'm not getting any better.

>>16428214
Agreed

>>16428214

For /lit/ reasons, if you already speak English natively, the only modern language worth learning is French. It's the only foreign language that offers a well-rounded corpus of literature that is equally competent with English. Germans do just philosophy, Italians do just Dante, Spaniards do just Cervantes, and Russians do just Dostoevsky and Tolstoy. Only Anglo-Saxons and Frenchmen do everything.

Ancient languages are another story and not really comparable.

t. Anglo-American Francophile

>>16430411
Oh yeah, and I already know there are going to be loads of buttmad Germans and Latin Americans because this post always triggers them. Don't care kiddo.

>>16422946
I'm learning Italian currently. It seems to have so much emotion in it and would make reading Italian books in their original language would be really nice.

>>16430411
>Italians do just Dante
Heretical post. The a*glos and frogs got fat off of the crumbs of the Italian renaissance by sending their countrymen there to learn or importing based Italians to teach them about refined taste.

>>16430516
Yes. Italians have the best culture and history IMO

>>16430516
>>16430527
Don't get me wrong, I have a passion for Italian religious art like everyone else, but for every Manzoni or Leopardi there are about 20 Anglo writers of better or equal talent. I'm sorry, kiddo, but that's just how it is.

>>16422946
Learning German. Just doing duolingo rn desu. I have a Swiss ancestor that has a lot of untranslated works that I'd like to read eventually.

>>16430574
I have a Canadian war poet (WWI) in my ancestry. Feels good man. I have a lot of newspaper clippings with his work and recently someone wrote a book featuring a lot of his stuff. He's unknown, however, except to that scholar and my family, I presume.

>>16430562
You've already betrayed your surface level knowledge with your first bait post and further cemented it. Enjoy coping for an eternity that the Irish were the ones who elevated your soulless language while the rest of your countrymen sucked off of the teat of Petrarch.

>>16430597
Yes, yes, the Petrarchan sonnet and all that. We all know about that strange Tudor obsession and no one takes it seriously anymore, at least not since Spenser. And besides, we're all Whitmanites now, whether you are a Yankee from Tippecannoe or a vagrant Arab from Timbuktoo. Even Italians are Whitmanites.

>>16422946
Japanese. Even though I took 7 semester in college, I never studied or payed attention, so I'm fucking awful at it. It's a demoralizing language to learn because looking up unfamiliar kanji can be a difficult and tedious process. Mostly I just write down vocabulary in a notebook and study it when I'm not busy at work. It's not a great system, but some might say it's better than nothing.

Is it worth learning a language just for the literature? For example, a language that's no longer spoken IRL?

>>16430645
If you care about the literature then it's worth it. Better to learn Russian to read Metro 2033 or Roadside Picnic than to learn Latin to read whatever classics were originally written in Latin if Metro and Roadside Picnic are what you're interested in.

>>16430645
It really depends on what you would do with it. I would probably be fine as an Anglo monoglot. However if I grew up speaking some useless language like Hungarian I would probably learn more foreign languages. It does help you enter the mindset of foreign authors better. It's hard to explain.

>>16430590
There's definitely something very comfy about it, especially when you see aspects of yourself in them.

>>16430689
There's definitely a physical resemblance between him and me, even moreso in my brother. Our attitudes are different about some things but the bellicose temperament is there. If you're that Swiss ancestry anon I wish you luck in your endeavor to learn French or German.

>>16430645
If you have time and nothing better to do then sure, it will give you something you don't possess currently. That's worth it to a certain degree

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