/lit/ - Literature

>>16395201
because anglos have trouble remembering long words

>>16395223
Kek

>>16395201
>Arhisdoddle

>>16395249
this one is even worse, since in Greek the stress is on the second to last syllable in Aristoteles: Ἀριστοτέλης

>>16395261
Interesting. In german the stress is on the 'to' sound. Aristohteles

>>16395261
>since in Greek the stress is on the second to last syllable in Aristoteles: Ἀριστοτέλης
Same in Polish, since in Polish the stress falls on the penultimate syllable 99% of the time.

>>16395267
Aristhoteles am I right

>>16395267
Same in Spanish

>>16395223
wtf I noticed this too when comparing german text if Nietzsche and english translation of it. English translators literally cut down sentences so its easier to read. It's like their culture is built around being infantile.

>>16395330
why do anglos do this?

>>16395335
They are bugmen, they value efficiency, pragmatism, simplicity over everything. When anglo reads Hegel, Heidegger or any other rigorous continental philosophy they get frustrated, because it is not cut into little McDonaldized pieces of watered-down and obvious infantilized insights that permeate and sustain their inherently materialistic neoliberal worldview. It's like China, but if it was hit in the head by a bat and started hallucinating about individual freedom, equality and so on, but deep down remained bugman that it is.

>>16395365

I'm personally enjoying the downfall of England.

OP
>Planton

>>16395201
anglo
plato

>>16395201
what about Eflatun?

>refutes all your criticism about the limits of the English language

Yea I was wondering too. Achilles for example. We call him Akhilleus here. Why do Anglos do that?

>>16395465
BASED
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>>16395474
The only based Anglo.

>>16395700
In Polish its also Achilles but we dont pronounce the ch as k but as /h/, so almost like in the original

its because in Latin hes Achilles.

>>16395714
oh it makes sense. i pronounce the ch as a mix of k and h. I don't know Latin but I've heard they don't read the "-os, -us" parts of the names (for example Alexius as Alexi)

>>16395267
>>16395303
wrong t

the accent indicates stress on the second t

>>16395700
A lot of the English language's fuckery comes from the fact that in the 19th century the Brits suddenly decided to make random words "more Classical". This is why the river Thames has an "h" in it. The problem with this is that at the time there was a shift in the language as people stopped voicing h, so this process just accelerated it, as more words started suddenly having silent h's.

This is further accelerated by the fact that there are no actual linguistic authorities for English, and every attempt has been little more than an attempt at purging wrongthink. The earliest examples of linguistic prescriptivism in English were little more than an attempt at just killing English and replacing it with actual French (not "change not wend", but "speak French"). Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, widely held (in the US) as a bastion of definition and correct language, was created as an attempt to prevent people from committing sin (under Puritan schemas) by removing their ability to say things like "masturbation" and "hips".

So English is just constantly drifting and there's no way to ever make anyone use the language correctly, because no one has "owned" English since 1066.

>>16395249
>>16395201
its due to old convention. same reason we say mark antony or ceaser even though a more accurate version wouldnt be that hard to say. Other languages like france and german did the same thing.

>>16395813
Good post, anon. I'm intrigued, is there anywhere one can read more about this "classical shift" you described?
from an outsider's view, the low grapheme-phoneme correspondence of english bothers me a lot, and were it not for the almost omnipresent cultural immersion of english worldwide, i can imagine it'd be a lot harder to learn

>>16395813
>Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, widely held (in the US) as a bastion of definition and correct language, was created as an attempt to prevent people from committing sin (under Puritan schemas) by removing their ability to say things like "masturbation" and "hips".
wtf reminds me of newspeak

>>16395365

seething

>>16395365
Too based for this world

>>16395813
The English people own English, it's a common language for a common law people. You Roman and French slaves wouldn't understand.

>>16395223
The Greek pronunciation has literally one syllable less

>>16395201
Actually here in Germany we call him Plankton.

>>16395365
THEY HATED HIM BECAUSE HE SPOKE THE TRUTH

>>16395365
>rigorous continental philosophy
oxymoron

>>16396993
based

>>16397126
a*glo detected

>>16395365
Heidegger IS infantile bugman gibberish: drawn from equal parts Anatolian schizophrenia, both his own work on far-flung Anatolian Greeks and his co-opting of Holderlin's fascination with same (who by all accounts including his own was insane) and fucking Japanese tea ceremony philosophy (you know how deep and individualist pre-modern Japs were...). Hegel? Occult German millenarian wild eyed Klaus Kinski shit bureaucratised to fit the institutional framework in pursuit of the material worldly success ever so important to the German sense of self. To be a Byzantine bugman in order to contain your predelection for the hysteria of barely literate shepherds is to still be a bugman... and a massive cope to (jack)boot. Besides that, the most inane streak of simple-minded protestant parochialism in America is a direct result of German settlement.

>>16395365
>Thinks the Germans, the only group of people without any trace of sentimentality other than what they stole from the English, are the most soulful people on earth.
>t. Blattella Germanica

coping anglos in this thread

>>16395201
>Sockratease

>>16397418
German people are honorary French and vice-versa. Same goes for Italy.
Seethe Anglo.

>>16397521
t. seething avoidant eurotrash brainlet

>>16397418
1. English are descended from Germans
2. No

>>16397584
Parle pour toi, boche

>>16397418
>anglos still think shakespeare was an anglo

>>16397611
>1. English are descended from Germans

Only 30%. Pic related.

>>16395813
>A lot of the English language's fuckery comes from the fact that in the 19th century the Brits suddenly decided to make random words "more Classical".
lmao brits should accept their swamp people condition and stop coping

>>16397641
The sentiment was coopted equally from Hume and Laurence Sterne, among numerous anglo romantics. It's almost as if, if you exclude the Greeks, the UK, Nordics and Roman colonialism the Germans have nothing but pig fucking Protestantism to their heritage.

>>16397713
What does the fucking United Kingdom have going on for them culturally? It’s insulting to compare that wasteland you people call Britain to truly great civilizations like Greece and Rome.

>>16397648
I said English, not muttbong

For the same reason it's called the Ottoman empire in English and for the same reason Americans say Aluminum.

>>16397713
t. uneducated pleb

>>16397751
>For the same reason it's called the Ottoman empire in English

Well what the fuck do YOU guys call it?

>>16397776
It's "Osmaniye", not Ottoman. But anglos show their talents best when they try to pronounce Goethe. Cracks me up every time.

>>16397776
The name comes from the founding family, Osmanoğlu.
In almost all languages its called something with Osman-.
Osmanska Riket in my language.
The etymology is the same as but somehow the Brits thought Osmanoğlu looked like Ottoman.

>>16397641
He wasn't?

>>16395201
Because Anglos suffer from insular autism

>>16395201
A*glos don't know anything else besides temporary politics, let alone philology LMFAO

>>16397857
“Shakespeare” is Cervantes’s pen name for his English work

>>16398150
Proof? Source? Peer reviewed work on the subject?

>>16395201
What about Homeros

>>16397418
NOT GERMANS BUT HOLY ROMANS

>>16397418
>what they stole from the English
How the fuck can you steal from a people without culture?

>>16395365
>>16395365
>It's like China, but if it was hit in the head by a bat and started hallucinating about individual freedom, equality and so on, but deep down remained bugman that it is.
That is Germany. The need for german people for totalitarism is strong even after 70 years of freedom.

>>16395365
>Hegel, Heidegger or any other rigorous continental philosophy they get frustrated, because it is not cut into little McDonaldized pieces of watered-down and obvious infantilized insights
I bet you're name-dropping them not because you understand them, but because you got filtered (and rightly so) by their cryptic, over-engineered philosophical bullshit, but at the same time, you're taking it out on the Anglos (who, to be fair, value pragmatism/materialism too much, so they deserve some bullying) to make yourself look smarter.

>>16398265
>This is Germany
>implying
What is it with A*glos and their German obsession? Someone mentions a couple German philosophers off hand and all of a sudden it's "OI BLIMEY YOU WOT M8! ANGLOLAND IZ NUMBAH 1!!!! FUCK DOZE NAZI KRAUT CUNTS!!! 2 WOLD WAHS AND ONE WOLD CUP!!!!

>>16398168
Why do you think Shakespeare wrote about Cardenio? Why do you think academia tried to “lose” that one play? Smell the coffee, anon. Shakespeare doesn’t exist except through Cervantes.

>>16398150
I was under the impression that he was German? I suppose he could have been Cervantes too, but he seems more German to me.

>>16398328
I don't know because I am not an anglo but the chinese of Europe are germans, not anglos.

>>16398360
Shakespeare doesn’t exist anon. It’s a pen name. The German element is nothing but a twist to keep fools aloof.

>>16398371
How the fuck is the nation that's historically most against the Anglo techno-capital liberal bugman ideology dominating the west today the 'chinese of Europe'? You're just basing your view on old forced memes about Germans being work loving robots.

>>16398446
If anything, the anglos are cryptokikes

So much seethe in this thread. It must be sad not having the entire world be forced to learn your language, though I suspect at least 50% are actually monolingual "German"-Americans who want to shift the blame for modernity onto someone else

>>16398837
Most people know English because of American rather than England, though.

>>16395201
Because it's borrowed from Latin, not directly from Greek.
In Greek the declension goes Πλάτων (nominative), Πλάτωνος (genitive)...
In Latin, however, it was borrowed into the cognate declension- which goes Plato/Cato, Platonis/Catonis...
English directly borrows Latin nouns usually from the nominative form (sometimes removing the declensional ending e.g. Constantine instead of Constantinus).
>but the Romance languages say Platon(e), Caton(e)!
Yes, because the Romance languages are descended directly from Latin, and with the loss of case endings, for the most part nouns use the oblique (non-nominative) stem, since this was the stem used more frequently.
>but "Xenophon"!
Xenophon has the oblique stem Xenophont- (NOT Xenphon-); thus it's Xenophon in the nominative in Latin.

>>16398854
But most Americans know English because of England

>>16398986
In this case, it doesn't matter. English as a worldwide phenomenon is all about America.

>>16399200
eh, partially. the effect of english colonies lke india or south africa are pretty pronounced, also it being a center for culture and stuff.

>>16395201
>So do all the world's languages.

Except they don't. You can make an anti anglo thread without needing to lie.

>>16399219
>England
>center of culture
6/10 made me laugh

>>16395365
you are a retard, and also gay. it's actually because these terms came into English through Latin. Ancient Romans dropped the n at the end of Greek male names because it made them fit into Latin grammar better. we also figured out that spitting out constant fricatives and consonants sounds UGLY and so we're also the only European language that focuses on vowel sounds, which is why our music sounds better and everyone listens to it. I know you are a nobody who is just regurgitating twitter buzzwords, made up by people much funnier and smarter than you, but have some sense. you ever heard of the word platonic? we put the n back in when it doesn't sound stupid.

>>16399219
You can’t truly believe brits conquering a desert or a country filled with street shitters is the same as America’s influence. Nobody would speak English if it wasn’t for Americans. This is nowhere near debatable.
I seriously doubt you believe England was ever a center of culture. Nobody believes this, right? Like, seriously?

All these anti anglo posts are a cope, you're still voicing your grievances about them in the ENGLISH language because your languages are less relevant.

>>16399676
>the only European language that focuses on vowel sounds, which is why our music sounds better and everyone listens to it
based linguistics & musicology double phd

>>16401874
>he thinks this is anti anglo
It’s anti England

>>16402347
This. Irish, Scottish and Welsh people are honorary continentals.

>>16396983
Dumbass.

>>16395365
It's not worth insulting your intelligence for this post, not being English is already hurting your poor simple mind far more severely than I could ever hope to

>>16402367
Oh, so that's why they're so resentful and unaccomplished

Here we call him Platão

>>16398906

yep

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>>16401874
of course we'd be seething, imagine being forced to learn english a language that fucking sucks and is for cucks because they are the jewish attack dogs
no amount of blood is drawn from *nglos will balance the retribution if we ever exact vengeance

>>16396983
Lmfao
>>16395201
>>16395249
It's 'Aristoteles'

>>16395365
What are Germans in contrast, given that they have overly and cumbersome long words that connect prefixes in variously retarded ways?

>>16395249

>>16398243
It is literally impossible to not have culture.

>>16395201
because they say 'playtew' kek, a final 'n' sound there would be difficult to prononunce

>>16395223
lmao this

>>16398150
Holy shit, Spainchads I kneel

>>16398150
>“Shakespeare” is Cervantes’s pen name
Just as expected