/lit/ - Literature

>>16386660
Why is this girl such a 10/10 physically, but her personality is that of an average soulless normie? Quite the modern tragedy.

>>16386660
it died because jazz is too wide

>>16386668
how do you know her personality?

>>16386672
Her Twitter
https://twitter.com/nudejoebiden

>>16386660
house is modern jazz

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>>16386678
No it’s not

>>16386660
Not dead. Still great jazz being made. It's not as popular as it used to be because shitty mass produced pop and rap that rests on the main vocalist's personality is much easier to sell, and cheaper and easier to produce.
What baffles me is how many "woke" racists insist that jazz is tame and "white" and boring. Fucking disgusting.

>>16386675
>she has a boyfriend
im going to kms

>>16386660
The Holy Bible (KJV)

>>16386719
She sold her socks for a switch apparently. Wife material, right?

Jazz is modern jazz.
Classical is modern classical.
People are still making every kind of music. In fact, maybe more and better than ever. You'll just never hear about it because it's buried under tons of mass-appeal shit.

>>16386660
Here's all the literature about it you need: whites appropriated it and subverted it from it's roots. It was reduced from emotive, personally expressive dance music to a faggy experimental high art-wannabe form.

>>16386722
>Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord TRANE, “That I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine of bread, Nor a thirst for water, But of hearing the sax of the TRANE"

>>16386693
yes it is, sometimes

>>16386660
i do not negotiate with jezebelposters

>>16386789
Electronica sure is plenty of times
https://youtu.be/SOEYaBxT29U

>>16386801
I seriously want to marry you

>>16386801
>>16386803
At this point I dont even care that you were born male

>>16386668
>10/10
her face is giving me uncanny valley vibes...

>>16386807
I’ve always been a woman

>>16386668
>Why is this girl such a 10/10
She looks like a fucking goblin (and probably is, genetically speaking).

>>16386829
She looks like an absolute cutie. Yes shes mexican, who cares

Jazz and all other forms of "abstract art" are postmodern degenerate trash.

>>16386776
It was appropriated, if anything, as dance music as many if not most of the big swing bands of the 20s and 30s were Jewish/white led. When bebop came out it was a black innovation, which led to every other iteration of bop culminating in extreme free jazz (until say the late 60s when another wave of white Jews moved in on it)---very few whites were involved in the radical transformations of jazz in the 40s and late 50s, or if they were only as sidemen (Al Haig, Charlie Hayden). In fact, the whites capitalised off black experimentation alienating the audience by producing melodic easily consumable middle American 'danceable' living room party 'jazz' from the likes of Chet Baker, Dave Brubeck etc.

>>16386837
Most abstract art is modernist.

>>16386835
Just report him. Zero tolerance

>>16386867
No, I'm not a fascist. I believe in freedom of speech.

>>16386835
Goblins can be cute. She's not a 10 though. Maybe a 6.

>>16386873
Even for racists who would gladly gag your freedom of speech if not murder you and girls like OP’s?

>>16386867
>report him
lmao what for?

>>16386892
Check the report list. It’s there

>>16386906
There's nothing there about calling people genetically ugly. The connections you're making seem to be the product of your own prejudices.

@16386948
I see through your dishonesty. Who are you trying to kid?

>>16386958
Announcing reports on the other hand? That's a bannable offense. I am not a bootlicker however (unlike you it seems), thus I will not file the report.

>>16386719
A modern tragedy of Sophoclean proportion

>>16386867
lmao faggot

>>16386719
What's he look like? Could I kick his ass?

>>16387015
https://twitter.com/TLyudacris
long hair and asian. he could probably beat you up

>>16386972
I haven’t filed any either. But please refrain from calling people goblins.

>>16386880
Yes.

>>16386801
Sauce on the gif, pls. Seems like a nice cartoon to watch with my niece!

>>16387101
Its from a Takahata adaptation of Heidi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi%2C_Girl_of_the_Alps

>>16387015
Its T-Time. Hes alright, but she definetely deserves a guy like me instead. Not even kidding bro.

>>16387021
fuck you cunt she looks like a goblin and she is one 4chan isn't your little safe space suck a fat dick with pleasure lgbtq plus shit whole lotta gay shit

>>16386837
>durrrr

>>16386837
nice swollen grotesque you got there m8

>>16386660
there isnt any
Kenny Clarke said it best already (he pioneered the standard drum sound for jazz music): he basically said "we raised the bar too high"

from physical and technical expertise, to compositional expertise, from ass shaking popular music to noise poems, jazz already fucking did it and they exhausted the possibilities of jazz as popular music - that musicians could make a life in. of course jazz isnt dead. painting isnt dead. etc. theres just no one fucking listening. shits too hard for people.

>>16386670
you lost broski?

>>16387021
id be goblin up dat ass
if you can comprehend what i am articulating

>>16387626
HOLY SHIT

>>16386660
Because it's garbage. Read Adorno.

>>16386776
hm
nice ignorance!
Personally, aside from Brazilian Jazz, my favorites are all experimental blacks.
sun ra may be overly prolific but the works of his I like, I like very much. He was active beginning in the 30s. Eric Dolphy is another favorite of mine. Very “high art” yet also very emotive and intimate. He is also black. Fire Waltz is very fun yet stylistically and tonally, it slices the listener with constant contrasts between dissonance and aggressively catchy hardbop/postbop/nignogbeepbop licks/melodies/riffs/noodles. To call the music of these experimental negros “not emotive” because the experimentation goes over your head (of course it would, if you think black man jazz is all for dancing, then you clearly dont even have an idea of what the traditional format is like. How could you possibly understand the experimentation if you don’t even know the traditional formats it refers to exist?) is just sad, anon. Are you white and harboring white guilt? Are you black and harboring some hatred while also harboring a self-loathing that believes blacks cannot be as lofty as whites?

I dont give a shit either way, both positions are gay as fuck, just own up to your existence and aspire to make your ancestors proud

It was superseded by genres that were more effective at achieving its ends. Jazz became obsolete with the rise of rock and r&b music.

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>>16386688
Capitalism has nothing to do with it you fucking retard. Music changes all the time. Jazz was started under capitalism.

Why would a black man dedicate his life to a fine craft nowadays when he could make far more, and make it far easier, hooting and hollering as a rapper or dribbling a basketball. Charles Mingus would be on Soundcloud today mumbling about sipping lean and hitting baby mamas.

>>16388817
Why didn't he create pop music then? Was way more popular back then and there was a lot of black men at the top of the charts.

>>16386668
you disgusting simp

>>16387015
You could probably snap his neck with one hand.

>>16388774
The music doesn’t really change, the popularity of it does. And it used to do it very slowly. Capitalism can be blamed for burying it under mountains of pop. All I was saying. Funny how it triggers you, like you owe capitalism for something.

bump

JAZZ FUCKING SUCKS

>>16389637
The music does change. Have you looked at the history of music? It's never stagnant. One of the main goals of artists is to innovate and reinvent themselves.
>Capitalism can be blamed for burying it under mountains of pop.
You really don't know much about the history of music huh? Even back in the days of classical music the masses of people weren't listening to classical music. It wasn't popular. The masses listened to "popular music". I'm curious why you think this would magically change if we gave the workers the means of production lol

>>16389637
>Implying pop music wouldnt exist without capitalism
Communist and Fascist countries can push pop as propaganda or simply music they want their citizens to listen to.

>>16386660
wynton marsalis' stuff.

>>16386668
she's not a ten, she's attractive but nerds can imagine she's accessible, her internet persona is being quirky nerd girl that socially awkward guys form parasocial relationships with. "wow a cute girl AND she likes anime and makes jokes??"

>>16386880
Of course. For everyone.

>>16386688
>capitalism
into the garbage it goes

>>16386880
>who would gladly gag your freedom of speech if not murder you and girls like OP’s?
What is this bizarre counterfactual?
>Do you even believe in abortions for WOMAN HITLER?
>Do you think black lives matter even if they're BLACK BIOWEAPONS BENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL MANKIND?
Anon's just namecalling. Believing nonsense doesn't make you a would-be murdering overlord, and even if it did, talking nonsense does not help the murdering overlord succeed. Making him look smart by looking even more cartoonish though...

>>16386880
Lol is butterfly actually against freedom of speech

>>16390726
Yeah partly why I think her personality is shit.

>>16386668
>her

>>16386660
You don’t need a book to tell you why jazz died. Too many white folks started moving in on the culture and ruined it. Same things happened to rock, punk, blues...

>>16391644
>folks
stopped reading right there

Jazz is dead? I was just listening to the new Hiromi album.

>>16390394
wiggers are playing jazz nowadays
what does that tell ya?

Accomplished what it set out to do. The dumbing down of music. Rap / R&B replaced it. Then techno computer bullshit replaced / competes with that.

>>16387021
you're a goblin tranny faggot

Because of people like stupid tripfags

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>>16389637
Communist countries banned jazz as capitalist music though. Jazz would never sprout under a communist system. You are an illiterate and unlistened retard.

>>16389637
EAT MY STINKY PUSSY GRANDMA!!!!!!!

>>16386668
99% of women are the same way.

Jazz is not dead. This is literally one of the best periods of jazz in history. Go shitpost on /mu/ if you're gonna be this ignorant.

>>16390422
I said the music, a given song or style, doesn’t change. The style. Musical tastes change slowly, gradually, upper or lower classes, all the same.

>>16390963
>For everyone.
>Especially including the ones that would slaughter me and my own family to oppose our freedoms. Freedom for all is an absolute
Liberal.

>>16391151
The board has a list of ban worthy offenses.
I am for having a literature board that stays on topic like it used to.
Again, Anonymous, the board you probably want is over here >>>/b/

>>16393141
>Communist countries
Name one.

>>16386848
Who are all these jewish jazz musicians you're talking about? I'm not that well-versed in jazz.

>>16393386
>Jazz is not dead. This is literally one of the best periods of jazz in history
Jazz aficionado here and you're wrong. Jazz is indeed dead. It hit its peak, it did everything it needed to do, it explored everything it needed to explore, it's over. Thankfully there's enough good jazz recorded to fulfill a lifetime.
>>16393515
>Name one
the Warsaw Pact countries

>>16393638
Ask any one of them, old enough to have lived then, and they will admit they were state controlled capitalism. The kind of “socialism” going on all over Europe

>>16393845
ok boomer

>>16386722
Seriously? Stop trying to twist the Word to suit your personal vendettas.

>>16386660
Jennings?

>>16386817
What? Like full grown at birth?

>>16393961
Oh c’mon. Female. Always been female

>>16393845
>state controlled capitalism
Thats an oxymoron.

>>16394291
No. No it isn’t.

From Karl Polanyi’s The Great Transformation:
>Previously to our time no economy has ever existed that even in principle was controlled by markets . . . [A]lthough the institution of the market was fairly common since the later Stone Age, its role was no more than incidental to economic life . . . [W]hile history and ethnography know of various kinds of economies, most of them comprising the institution of markets, they know of no economy prior to our own, even approximately controlled and regulated by markets . . . . All economic systems known to us up to the end of feudalism in Western Europe were organised either on the principles of reciprocity or redistribution or householding (i.e., production for one's own use) or some combination of the three.

And Kropotkin
>The internal commerce was dealt with entirely by the guilds not by the individual artisans — prices being established by mutual agreement... [A]t the beginning external commerce was dealt with exclusively by the city and it was only later that it became the monopoly of the merchants' guild and later still of individual merchants . . . [T]he provisioning of the principal consumer
goods was always handled by the city, and this custom was preserved in some Swiss towns for corn until the middle of the 19th century

>>16394329
>No. No it isn’t.
Capitalism is defined as a system where the means of production lie in primarily private hands, there's a free flow of capital and therefore by extension market forces apply.

"State controlled capitalism," especially considering that the Warsaw Pact economies were centrally planned, is an oxymoron.

>>16394337
>NOOOO. MUH FREEMARKET!
>IZ REEEEEEEALLL

It’s an idea and it disintegrates. States or some or some other authors is needed to regulate it.

>>16394359
Regulated capitalism is still capitalism because the majority of the means of production lie in private hands and they arent told what to produce.

>>16394329
oof Catie Wayne

>>16394371
And you are?

>>16394393
not a tripwhore

>>16393386
Fucking yikes

why should I believe that revolutionary project would bring about a resurrection of high culture when most of the nominal left is pic related and even the lefoids on bunkerchan or wherever, who try their hardest to distance from that, are swarmed with ML types that are distrustful of anything that isn't "prole friendly" (aka braindead entertainment but with proper messaging)

>>16395168
High culture can only exists when the form of globalisation that we are having now is fucking dead on the ground wriggling in agony.
Globalisation with active physical effort is the only way for it to work.
Easy access to influences from other nation leads to colonial retardation (nation with already big influence and netizens with high internet literacy influencing small nations with high aesthetics resulting in homogeneity) instead of a healthy osmosis from all sides.
The internet killed high culture.

>>16393515
>I said the music, a given song or style, doesn’t change. The style. Musical tastes change slowly, gradually, upper or lower classes, all the same.
Why didn't you answer the second part?

>>16393515
No one ever talks about literature anyways. It's a boring topic and we rarely get actual posts about it. Talking about philosophy, art and history are much more interesting and relevant.

>>16386660
it died because white musicologists with no soul got the monopoly on it. Those fucking faggots will make some 20 minute long music theory videoi essay on a jazz piece thinking they've made some larger philosophical/aesthetical commentary on the piece. I fucking hate these academic retards.