/lit/ - Literature

>>16379622
i'm gay and catholic
is that bad?

>>16379622
The Bible. You probably didn't read it well enough the first time round.

>>16379622
>>16379624
I'm bisexual I think, but I won't ever have sex with another man

>>16379622
>>16379624
>>16379642
Praying for you, Anons. Remember hellfire is real and you fruits are due to be a compote fed to Cerberians

>>16379649
Thanks anon.
Even though I will never be with another man (maybe I will remain celibate), I'm weak, and my faith is weak too. Thanks for praying for this sinner.

>>16379624
Don’t become a priest.

>>16379661
i definitely don't plan on it. i'm not overly catholic but i've been through baptism and communion.

>>16379649
thanks man.

I'm not Christian but you guys might be interested in this book. It's written by a celibate Catholic lesbian. Don't be put off by the gauche cover and title. It's quite /lit/ actually.

>>16379624
Did you ask God? Who knows what we'll say, anon, let alone if it's at all good

>>16379679
looks interesting. might pirate it.

>>16379687
no, i have not. i'm schizophrenic as well so i fear that is my punishment for laying with another man.

>>16379624
As long as you aren't a sodomite you should be fine.

>>16379708
So you’re giving the go ahead for oral sex only?

>>16379708
is there a way to achieve forgiveness? i've only been with one guy

>>16379718
Confession like for every other sin

>>16379717
Oral is also sodomy
thought it is interesting that Americans view only anal sex as sodomitical

>>16379718
There is no reason why you should wish for forgiveness. You didn't do anything wrong. You can be gay and just as good as a straight person.
Caring what people think and say will only lead to a life of misery no matter what sexual orientation you are.
However I'm not saying go to your local gym locker room and get felt up by creeps

>>16379718
No. You will burn in hell for eternity.
t. Christcuck

>>16379724
thank you, anon. i'm only now getting back into catholicism (i used to be a hardcore catholic when i was a boy), so it's nice to know that God will forgive me (i hope). blessed be with you, anon.

>>16379622
>practicing homosexual
if you fancy a bit more practice, come over to my place some time

>>16379733
thanks man. i probably shouldn't care but i do.

>>16379735
:(

>>16379733
It's a sin to lay with a man anon...

>>16379701
Would God give you life and then insinuate to you torpor and waste? You've been given life, saved even. Who you sleep with is one very small part of it, Anon.

>>16379736
I was a hardcore catholic too until I lost my faith at 11, and my life has been downhill since then

>>16379742
You shouldn’t have chosen to have homosexual urges

>>16379771
Repent and you will be saved.

>>16379782
No.

Leviticus

>>16379622
I think God is probably, actually certainly real. And I wouldn't be surprised if Christianity was true either, yet I don't care. I'd rather embrace being gay than religious. Practicing a religion seems so dull and ordinary I'd rather die right now than go through with it.

>>16379795
Well you aren't catholic then I guess.

>>16379630
This. Very homo erotic. "I will make you fishers of men" -- H O T

>>16379622
What really makes one a "practicing" Christian?

>>16380096
I think it's generally taking sacraments.

I'm a sinner.
Not only did I masturbate, but I did it thinking about a boy.
I feel sick.

>>16380100
Hugh Grant is pretty hot in that movie tho, ngl.

>>16380100
You need a young man your own age. Don’t let this damn cult twist your insides anymore than you feel them to be now.

>>16380100
>>16380104
lol

>>16380100
Well at least you recognize your sin, some people take pride in theirs, it's the first step towards forgiveness.

>>16380121
^This is the first step to madness and repression. Ignore his evil sly tongue.

>>16380142
Not him, but repression is not bad. We should repress ourselves before insulting or hating. We should repress ourselves more frequently in order to be diplomatic. Repressing lower desires, making the mind control the body, is the very root of civilization. The contrary makes no difference from being an animal.

>>16380142
Right. We should never repress any desire, in fact we should feed them and agitate them as much as possible until they become too big to ever fulfill. Anybody who tells you this isn't how life should be lived is obviously some kind of kooky prude.

>>16380165
>We should repress ourselves before insulting or hating.
No, not really dude.

>>16380165
Suppression of temper or vulgarity is one thing. Repression of natural sexual desires can lead to unhealthy fetishisms and psychosis. Bindings are for book, not humans.

>>16380172
You imply we should never follow our heart’s desire. You know I’m Epicurean, yes?

>>16380202
I’m not going to suppress my desire to rape you, Butterfly.

>>16380218
And I’m not going to suppress murdering you in your feeble attempt

>>16380202
>heart’s desire. You know I’m Epicurean, yes?
It's not your heart, it's your ego.

>>16379718
>>16379736
Everyone sins, anon. As long as you do not pretend that you have not sinned, as long as you go to confession, and as long as you try your best to live your life in line with the words and teachings of God, you will be fine.

>>16380231
You’ve never been in love.
Do you even understand the self?

lol you get poo on your dick every day lmao

>>16380255
Two men can't have a real marriage or a real family. The is no feminine essence to the household, there is no life-giving aspect of their lovemaking. They are mentally ill sodomy addicts who shouldn't be trusted near children.

>>16380312
>here’s my criteria for TRUE love. MY imaginary friend says so!

>[there] is no feminine essence to the household
You don’t know any flamers, sug

>>16380344
Acting like a lisping retard =/= femininity

>>16379624
In the eyes of the lord, you're forgiven and pure.
In my eyes you're a fag.

>>16380255
Posting about love on 4chan AND namefagging means you are essentially the dumbest fucking retard on planet earth. Do not pass go do not collect your tendies

>practicing homosexual
go "practice" all over your dad's face goo gobbler
report to the nearest rainbow

>>16380481
>namefagging
Tripfagging and namefagging are different, you'd know this if you weren't a tourist

>>16379748
It's also a sin to eat pork.

>>16379718
1. You have to want to achieve forgivness and to change your live. Usually we don't feel shame when we want to do something wrong, but we feel great shame when we have to admit that we did something wrong and we have to change our live. This is the way satan works when you have to go to confession. You already know it.
2. Go to Good Confession and confess your other sins as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTw1_fJ6ulQ
You can (and should) go to confession again if you need to.
3. this anon is right >>16380242
If you understand that you did something wrong it means that you can change your live and be better person for yourself, for other people and for God. Find a way to do something new and positive for yourself and other people. You know that you can be better person and you are already looking for way to do it. The first change in your live can lead you to development of your personality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_disintegration#The_levels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldtix4oqtFM
watch this with english subtitles

>>16380225
>implying a 50 year old mentally ill tranny would be able to stop me
OH NONONONO AHAHAHAHAHA

>>16379728
I find it interesting that anons attribute by default to Americans whatever phenomenon he considers aberrant or undesirable.

An analogue of this tendency occurs inside America as well. Just with race.

>>16380509
Not in Christianity. You are coping and you know it.

>>16379622
>>16379624
You cannot be a homosexual and be a Christian. You guys are not Christians. I'm not a Christian myself, but you guys are as """Christian""" as I am (not at all).

>>16379622
>>16379624
Andrew Sullivan's Virtually Normal

>>16380773
explain to me why buttfucking a consenting adult of the same gender precludes you from having an abstract belief in an unmoved mover of the universe

>>16379622

Unironically...

David Gushee
Kathy Baldock

>>16380834
Christianity is about divinely revealed revelation though - which includes proscription of homosexual activity

>>16380834
Because the Christian ‘unmoved mover of the universe’ has such special relationship with each and every person that sodomizing another person is tantamount to molesting your employer’s (consemting) toddler-aged son.

>>16379679
>Tushnet
>Catholic
lol ok

Eve Tushnet's father:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Tushnet

>>16379622
>>16379624
Yes. Read Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body. Read Genesis. Read the Gospels.

>>16379622
why practice christianity when you know you're going to hell?

>>16380100
I masturbate only thinking about my wife (akari-chan)

>>16380874
While being toddler yourself

>>16379642
>I'm bisexual I think, but I won't ever have sex with another man
Porn brain, just stop watching that crap and I bet it will go away.

>>16380737
Read the bible, fag

>>16379718
You have to repent, which means first actually regretting it in the first place.
>>16379733
Shut up retard, we're talking about religious law, not some vague abstraction of 'forgiveness'. Sodomy is a sin and you have to repent to be forgiven. Unrepentant homosexuals go to Hell.

>>16380142
>This is the first step to madness and repression.
Daily reminder that repression is necessary for civilization.

>>16380920
Does having a socialist father preclude one from being Catholic?

>>16381035
I think he's pointing out that Tushnet is Jewish.

>>16379622
Just read Waugh. Brideshead Revisited.

>>16381046
That's dumber lol

>>16379622
You should read the entire Fantômas series by Souvestre and Allain. I don't know if the christian in you will like it, but the homosexual should appreciate the image of a tall, athletic man in tights.

>>16380100
Just repent before dying an you'll be fine

I don't "hate" gay people but I genuinely find them against nature and I can't stand how being gay is accepted by society. Gay people are beings driven by lust only.
Lesbians are worst than men: they have the most precious gift of all (giving birth and start a new life) and they just waste it for sexual urges. They are the most brainwashed kind of people.
Not to mention trans people....
I don't think that Christianity and gayness are compatible: you can only choose a side, the moment you go against nature (man+woman) you can only find forgiveness in God. They can't coexist period. It's like the "can gay people have kids" debate: hell no, either you follow nature's laws or you don't, you can't have both because (immoral) science gives you the right to do so (as long as you pay shekels).

>>16381143
10 year old mormon?

>>16381054
>>16381035
I'm pointing out that these are upper-class champagne socialists who are actively involved in subverting the culture of their adopted home with an aim on its destruction. In Eve's case, this includes the Catholic Church. If you want to point out this is trait they share with their ancestors, that's on you.

>>16381161
What has Eve Tushnet done to subvert Roman Catholicism?

>>16381169
normalize gay relationships as possibly healthy or rightly ordered. they aren't.

>>16381182
But she doesn't do that. She advocates celibacy lmao.

>>16381186
>But she doesn't do that.
She directly preaches against Tradition and Scripture. She belongs with the Protesants.

>>16381011
False. Homosexuality isn't sinful

>>16381218
>Sodomy is a sin
This is correct.

>False. Homosexuality isn't sinful
This is also correct. Learn to read and to think. Homosexuality is not of itself a sin. Acting on it is. And sodomy does not mean simply immoral sex acts.

>>16381214
So any time a Catholic criticises something the Pope does they're a Protestant? Nothing here contradicts doctrine. You might as well call Ratzinger himself a Protestant when he criticises anti-Semitism - some Popes have encouraged the burning of Jews, so who is he to go against Tradition?.

>>16381221
Sodomy isn't sin

>>16381223
>So any time a Catholic criticises something the Pope does they're a Protestant?
No. And I'm afraid I was not clear: I meant that her subversive behavior and lack of respect for Tradition is more in line with the progressive secular political cult of of Protestantism. Female lesbian bishops, Pride banners, and all that. Even the Catholic Church is not safe. Just a few weeks ago a priest was using the holy sacrifice of the Mass to enforce white guilt. It's obscene and scandalous how the enemies of the true faith seek her destruction. All it takes is Catholics to give up the faith; and Tushnet is just one spear-carrier in their arsenal.

>some Popes
To expand on my earlier 'No.': Popes are theologically infallible, and indeed there is near-schism in the Church now about whether the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council went too far. Specifically the bit about casting blame upon and praying for da perfidious joos.

>>16381240
>Female lesbian bishops, Pride banners, and all that.
Tushnet does not advocate for any of that. She is completely orthodox. You haven't conceded that you were wrong about her promoting or normalising homosexual relationships.
>Popes are theologically infallible
Only when they speak ex cathedra. Also Ratzinger was not even Pope when he issued that letter.

>>16381235
>Sodomy isn't sin
You don't know what you're talking about please be quiet. Peccatum Sodomiticum is not simply deviant sexual practice, it is also pride (Satan's sin, and chief of the sins), unrepentant lack of charity, and idleness. Basically what the people of Sodom were guilty of. Read the fucking book.

The fruit in which you bring forth are representative of your character.

Remember always to keep a conviction, and never to be a fag.

>>16381250
>a Bolshevik criticizes Scripture for not being in line with current secular politics
>anons with four chins "She is completely orthodox."

>>16381257
She did not criticise scripture, she criticised the way Ratzinger paraphrased it. Note that she is not objecting to St. Paul's words, but the fact that Ratzinger failed to convey that having had gay sex is not an automatic and absolute criteria for damnation (not moreso than any other mortal sin).

>>16381275
Oh, sure, the modernist theologian's heresy of "well God's mercy is infinite surely Hell is actually empty."

People are getting too erudite for their own good, they're forgetting the words of the Lord.

In case that last post wasn't clear enough for you:

Jesus DID say people would go to hell. Unrepentant sinners WILL suffer torment. People who cause others (esp. the children) to stumble, as Tushnet is doing, are going to get it bad.

One must not only believe, but conform their heart to Jesus. Every member of the clergy is a sinner, I know. But Tushnet is not only leading readers astray, she seems to encourage the worst modernist trends that would take new faithful further away from Scripture.

>>16381293
She did not even come remotely close to advocating for the "hell is empty" idea in that paragraph. You are going psycho. You are being uncharitable and want to cast her in the worst light possible - probably because you started by arguing that she was "normalising homosexual relationships" and, after having been proven wrong on that point, are in too deep to stop (especially after you discovered the "incriminating" info about her ethnicity!)

>>16381312
>She did not even come remotely close to advocating for the "hell is empty" idea in that paragraph.
No, but you did.

>Ratzinger failed to convey that having had gay sex is not an automatic and absolute criteria for damnation
And I agree. But neither is it not a sin, nor homosexuality a condition that should be normalized. Same-sex attraction is an occasion of sin one should be extremely wary of.

>>16381328
>No, but you did.
I did not.
>And I agree. But neither is it not a sin, nor homosexuality a condition that should be normalized. Same-sex attraction is an occasion of sin one should be extremely wary of.
And what exactly is Tushnet guilty of here?

>>16381333
>And what exactly is Tushnet guilty of here?
I've made my case.

>>16379649
>f i

>>16380834
>explain to me why buttfucking a consenting adult of the same gender precludes you from having an abstract belief in an unmoved mover of the universe

Because being Catholic is not simply "having an abstract belief in an unmoved mover" and sodomy is a sin. Scripture is clear. Believe it or not, being a Catholic is HARD. It's difficult. It requires sacrifice. That means giving up things that feel good, up to and beyond the point of discomfort.

>>16381218
It literally is. You can think that sins aren't real, but there's no ambiguity in the Bible about the sinfulness of homosexuality.

>>16381143
>I genuinely find them against nature
This is a bad take, homosexuals are extremely animalistic, indulging in a primal drive in extreme excess. Animals engage in homosexuality all the time, as with rape, incest, murder, etc. The real argument against homosexuality is that it is hedonistic and against civilization.

>>16381426
That's an interesting POV anon however the "animals are homosexual too" it's just a cope imo. It's like saying "suicide is ok because lemmings do it" or "it's ok to kill your husband after sex because mantis do it"

>>16379622
>>16379624
>>16379642
i'm prying to God for happiness and strength of will for you. God bless You Anons!
+++

>>16379622
The Bible

>Adelphopoiesis

>>16379622
>>16379718
>>16380834
>>16381218
the absolute state of christianity in the year of our lord 2020

>>16381455
That anon is talking about the claim that homosexuality is unnatural, not whether or not it is ‘ok’

>>16379622
According to Tolstoy this is the only thjng that Christ directly said about sexuality: "In the former law it was said: Do not commit adultery, and if you wish to put away your wife, give her a letter of divorcement. But I tell you that if you look lustfully at a woman's beauty you are already committing adultery. All sensuality destroys the soul, and so it is better for you to renounce the pleasures of the flesh than to destroy your
life."

It's more about asceticism than who you have sex with or how.

>>16381455
My argument is that humans shouldn't be like animals because we have civilization which can only be maintained by not acting like an animal.

>>16381939
That's about a woman, which can be a sin free relationship with a man. Homosexuality is explicitly and endlessly noted as a sin. You're doing yourself a disfavor by not actually reading the Bible before reading Tolstoy because you're missing context.

>tfw I come from a happy family
>don’t hate anyone
feels so fucking good, bros. all of humanity is my kin

>>16381939
>according to Tolstoy
lel, can you pick a less automotive opinion ?

>>16381426
The term nature we should be talking about is more of the metaphysical nature of things. It must be confounded to its telos. The sexual organs are meant to reproduce not merely to indulge in pleasure.

>>16381960
>>16382026
Please give me a direct quote from The Son of God about it.

>>16381015
Suppression of chaotic destruction is not the same as repression of the self’s nature. You aren’t defending civilization, you’re defending a culture of the occult. Catholic church sex trafficking is no different from capitalist sex trafficking.
Point to a civilization

I’m a proud reactionary catholic and I fuck girls and boys, there’s not wrong with that. Read pre modern Western litterature, boyfucking was something natural and homosexuality didn’t exist until the 19th century.

>>16380202
There is nothing epicurean about homosexuality or any sexual excess. It's not sipping wine and eating grapes.

>>16379622
Just drop biblical inerrantism so you don't have to deal with the outdated passages. Philosophical natural law arguments against homosexuality are notoriously bad, so you don't need to worry about those.
I think you are fine.

>>16382059
Butterfly, where can I interact with you that isn’t on this site?

>>16380737
So Christians have the power to retcon the word of God? That's pretty cool, no wonder Christians are increasingly accepting gays.

>>16382058
>yfw you realize sex outside marriage and looking at porn is identical to homosexuality in God's eyes

>>16381009
>>16380737
>>16382294
New Covenant.

>>16382013
Fucking based
The most based post I’ve seen on this website

noncel thread

>>16379624
Yes but it's normal

This thread is a solid reason for every healthy, strong and honest man to reject Christianity...

>>16381046
Name 4 Jews who became practicing Christians, I'll wait.

Most Christians in this thread are bigger faggots than the gays in this thread.

>>16383898
so lucky to be azn right now

>>16382058
>Please give me a direct quote from The Son of God about it
Christ spends relatively little time listing out sins, so that's a terrible criteria for what is and isn't a sin.

>>16380834
Natural law, retard

>>16382059
>Catholic church sex trafficking is no different from capitalist sex trafficking.
Good thing I'm not a Catholic, and those involved should be put to death in all cases. Homosexuality is inherently hedonistic as it's a purely nonproductive relationship. In a perfect vacuum, homosexuality does not cause massive problems, but that's not how things work in reality. Endless hedonism will destroy any system. Are you really trying to dispute the existence of civilization as a concept?

>>16382013
That's fine as long as you recognize the difference between personal hate and political conflict. The first is fine and the latter is hopelessly naive.

>>16382367
Nope, homosexuality is a much more severe sin then seeing a hot woman and having sexual feelings. Not all sins are equal.

>>16384734
masturbating to porn is a mortal sin

>>16384748
Not all mortal sin is equal in severity and any good Christian should be repenting for that too.