/lit/ - Literature

>>16366074
By letting an obese pedo rip open your bussy. If you're an actual believer and not some retard Twitter addicted zoomer Harper you'll read the bible and theology to make up your own mind instead of being spoonfed by that bugman organisation.

>>16366074
be fluent in latin/ass raped as a child

Marquis de Sade

>>16366114
>read the bible and theology to make up your own mind
That's the opposite of what Catholics are meant to do. Just find a priest you like and he'll tell you what to think.

>>16366198
Exactly my point dont be a cuck a.k.a catholic

>>16366114
Prot spotted.

>>16366074
Read the bible, Cortes, Chesterton, Papal encyclicals, Schmitt, Post war Junger, Virilio, and Maurras. Remember that Liberalism, socialism and the enlightenment were all spread by Switzerland which is a puppet state of international Judaism.

>>16366216
I answer only to the lord. You answer to an argentinean pedophile and his posse of heathens

>>16366074
If you haven't been raped by a priest you'll never truly know what it means to be a Catholic.

>>16366074
catholics and christfaggots are fucking retards. Something very, very special has gone in a certain special field somewhere.

>>16366114
>>16366125
>>16366198
>>16366219
>>16366230

>"fucking Joos own the media and our current state of information"
>later believe a news story blown up by jewish media on the catholic church

Hmm...

>>16366242
>implying jews haven't infiltrated the church already

>>16366242
Your church allows homosexuals to be priests lmao.

>>16366242
So you'd be quite happy to let your 5 yr. old son stay overnight with a priest.

>>16366242
It was both blown up by the Jews AND the Catholic church is retarded and allowed itself to be infiltrated by literal Jewish communists in Vatican II.

>>16366074
Aristotle & Aquinas. Edward Feser works as an introduction.

Read Augustine

>>16366114
>>16366219
>>16366230
>>16366272
You are like Pavlov dogs of jewmedia.
Its statistically less prevalent in the CAtholic church than in every other church or institution but the media sure did make sure to hammer this meme.
That's because only the true Church is worth attacking.

>>16366519
That's why the Inquisition is needed. The church will always be under attack, satan doesnt rest. Yet the church went lax ,big mistake.

>>16366219
Yet you dont even obey God's church. Its pretty obvious that the Church of the Holy Spirit didnt start 15 centuries after Christ by a dude who was too weak to be a monk and so invented a new pseudo christianity to have sex with a nun. Satan got to him through lust and pride.
When the church needed renovation big saints came up for the challenge, like St.Francis who admonished the church by example of his perfect holy conduct while being obedient.
But being holy is hard, luther didnt have what it takes so he was just a revolutionary of unholiness. The fruits of his revolution of pride and disobedience was Christendom divided and a never ending splintering among prot denominations. What a win by the devil.

LOL all the Catholics on /lit/ sound genuinely mentally ill, like paranoid schizophrenics.

>look at me! Imma tradcath!
>please follow my carefully selected pastiche of religious traditions!
>also, please ignore the fact that I don’t actually act out anything that’s written in the book that I deify, and that my religions is basically nothing more than an excuse to be a judgmental douchebag!

>>16366074
damn, i'd let him penetrate my tight boyish asshole anyday

>>16366526
Summa contra gentiles by Aquinas specifically

>>16366973
let me guess you never actually met a "tradcath" outside of twitter autists

>>16366074
Fiction
>Chesterton
>Bernanos
>Tolkien

Nonfiction
>Edward Feser for a start, don't bother going into Aquinas immediately unless you have a good teacher
>catechisms
>encyclicals
>works of saints
>The Imitation of Christ

>>16366973
Looks like you actually want to be a degenerate without anyone calling you out on it.

>>16367234
And looks like you want me to follow rules you don’t follow yourself

>>16367232
>Bernanos
lovely recommandation, he also wrote great non-fiction books

>>16367232
Based recs, I also second Maurras and Cortés recced earlier in the thread.

I'd add:
>San Juan de la Cruz
>De Maistre
>Pascal
>Bloy
>Dante
>Saint Augustine
>late Huysmans
>unironically Ratzinger
>Lamennais
>Lacordaire

>>16366965
>pride of intellect
>sane

>>16366074
To become part of the Holy Apostolic Catholic Church all you need to do is become orthodox.
I would recommend the Orthodox Study Bible, The Way of a Pilgrim, and Missionary Letters by St Nicolai Velimirovich.

>>16366939
You schizo larpers turned this fucking board into a facebook group for catholic grandmas.

>>16367499
>>Lamennais
>>Lacordaire
Careful with these two, they had a lot of problems with the Church because of what they wrote.

>>16367535
>noooooooooooooo, catholic anons are recommending good books and killing my twitter threads and my bait threads

>>16367567
Pascal too, still one of the most profound writer I know of. Same goes for Weil.

>>16367567
True, I just thought they were a bit too interesting to pass on.

>>16367670
Agreed, Pascal and Weil will make you uncomfortable no matter who you are, because they see through you.

>>16366074
Anyone got good books on Church history? I'm thinking about reading pic related.

>>16366074
name a more kino book, I dare you

I just bought the Summa Theologica though I'm not a catholic.

>>16368197
>though I'm not a catholic.
yet.

>>16368005
based

>>16367303
why do you assume everyone is a degenerate like you

>>16366074
read True Devotion to Mary by St. Louis Marie de Montfort and the Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori

>>16367232
>>The Imitation of Christ
the best book for meditation ever written by man

>>16366074
I would like to 'know' this guy

>>16366198
>Find a priest you like

You'll listen to your parish priest without question. Larper.

>>16366973
what?

>>16370136
Skin in the game, that’s what

>>16370057
uwu

Which bible version should I read? NRSV is the one recommended by google, but I'm concerned the push for it may be spearheaded by the long-nose tribe

>>16366074
get btfo
>t. martin luther

>>16367577
this might as well be a twitter or bait thread

Marriage redpill. Read the full text at the link.

>>16366074
>How do I become a faithful Catholic in this modern world?

Here are some good books. Pray, and ask for God's guidance. Read something that's congenial to you, then read more, branching off from that.

Scott Hahn, The Lamb's Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth

John Paul II's Marian encyclical, Redemptoris Mater (1987) is an inspired work, obviously the product of a lifetime of meditating on the Marian doctrines. This edition with an intro by Ratzinger makes for a particularly nice package:
>https://www.amazon.com/Mary-Encyclical-Letter-Mother-Redeemer/dp/0898702194

Free here: https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater.html

JPII's apostolic letter on the rosary, to which he proposed adding the Mysteries of light, is very good:
>http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/2002/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae.html

The Catholic Catechism is very good.

Hugo Rahner, Our Lady and the Church
>https://www.amazon.com/Our-Lady-Church-Hugo-Rahner/dp/0972598111

Evangelical is Not Enough by Thomas Howard

The Mass of the Early Christians by Mike Aquilina

Upon this Rock by Steve Ray

Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating

Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic by David B. Currie

The Faith of our Fathers by James Cardinal Gibbons. Written by an American cardinal specifically to explain the Catholic faith to Protestants at a time when Catholics were regarded with considerable suspicion in the US. Many scriptural references. Really quite excellent.
>http://www.amazon.com/The-Faith-Fathers-James-Gibbons/dp/1484922506

It's in the public domain and is available free online:
>http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pdf.pdf

The Fathers Know Best by Jimmy Akin

Behold Your Mother - A Biblical and Historical Defense of the Marian Doctrines by Tim Staples

Frank Sheed, Theology for Beginners

Frank Sheed, Theology and Sanity

Frank Sheed, To Know Christ Jesus

Fulton J. Sheen, Life of Christ

Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul

Catherine of Siena, The Dialogue (this is *fascinating*)
>https://www.amazon.com/Catherine-Siena-Dialogue-Classics-Spirituality/dp/0809122332

Thomas Merton, The Seven-Story Mountain

Thomas Merton, New Seeds of Contemplation

GK Chesterton, Orthodoxy

GK Chesterton, The Everlasting Man

Flannery O'Connor, The Habit of Being

Thomas a Kempis, The Imitation of Christ

Caussade, Abandonment to Divine Providence

D'Elbee, I Believe in Love

Dietrich von Hildebrand, Transformation in Christ

St. Francis de Sales, The Catholic Controversy

-- Check out the catalogs of Ignatius Press, Tan Books, Sophia Press. They are good Catholic publishers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LaembL-KGg

Dropping this chart

>>16371590
>No bible

>>16371779
That is a prerequisite

buy bread
stare at it for hours on end
eat a little of it
repeat

>>16371490
Based effortposter

>>16371273
NASB is the closest to a literal translation without being exactly word for word and unreadable. It’s been praised for being very precise to the original and newest-found manuscripts

>>16373099
No choose the NABRE/NAB (Authorized Roman Catholic BIble) with all 73 books in it. NASB is a protestant bible with 66 books.

Just throwing this in here because it is a catholic thread after all.

>>16366074
simply become stupid, sheep

>>16373159
seething

>>16366074

Roman Catholicism is a dead meme

>>16366074
Not Roman Catholic, but this movie was wonderful. Has anyone read the book?

>>16374950
I've read Diary of a Country Priest, great book. I've also seen the movie, which I found disappointing, but that was probably because I'd just finished the book (comparing great books with their movies is never good). I also saw a staging of Dialog of the Carmelites, which was pretty incredible.

>>16367925
That's worth a read, for sure.

Eamon Duffy for England.

Christopher was the great Catholic historian of the 20th century. Eg, Religion and the Rise of Western Culture.

Philip Hughes was another good Catholic historian of the Church.

https://aleteia.org/2020/08/19/some-of-the-best-books-on-the-history-of-the-church/

>>16366114
>>16366125
>>16366138
Holy cringe, the fedoratipping neckbeards on this board are getting out of hand.

>>16374964
Wait is Diary of a Country Priest the same story as Under the Sun of Satan? Anyways I still loved the film, I thought it did the mystical points well even if the plot was a bit sporadic.

>>16374777
No it’s not

>>16375492
You’re right, it’s now the trashcan of former fedoras who’ve jumped onto the next religious bandwagon. It’s still a meme though

>>16366230
>>16366219
>>16366125
>>16366114

The pedo abuse in the Catholic church is caused by the large number of sexual degenerates (homos with pedophiliac tendancies). Pope Benedict talked about this. Because of the celibacy associated with the profession, heterosexual men are seeing it as too restricting for them nowadays. And this is what eventually happens.

>>16375534
2000 years of tradition. Cope more

>>16375543
According to the numbers I saw from France, Catholic priests are 10 times less likely to be pedophiles than an average man.

>>16370012
that would actually be the ascent of mt.carmel

>>16375561
No, a pastiche of 2000 years of tradition, with all the bad bits conveniently forgotten

>>16375781
>Humans with original sin do bad thing.
Wow dude great observation.

>>16375816
Also, nowadays it’s little more than pic related.

Which ironically is a return to its Christian roots of groveling and self loathing

reading bump

>>16375842
>Vatican II is Christian

>>16366074
you have to become a sedevacantist, it is the only logically sound position.

>>16371490
john paul ii was a satanic anti-pope and he is in hell right now.

>>16375842
francis isn't the pope, he is an imposter. the vatican ii sect is not true catholicism, you have all been tricked into thinking catholicism is the whore of babylon when in reality it is based as fuck and the whore of babylon is the imposter church, the vatican ii sect.

>>16375781
""forgotten"" by vatican ii ""catholics" who are faithless reprobates. the true catholic faith was (and still is) continuous from 33 AD, the only "changes" were made by the second vatican council, but none of these changes are even valid because they were made by an imposter church run by jews and freemasons.

>>16375543
and why are there so many faggots in the vatican ii sect? because they are heretics in a fake church. the bible teaches us that sodomy directly follows from heresy, that is the root of the problem. you shall know them by their fruits. they are drunk on the blood of martyrs.

>>16377077
>>16377090
>>16377102
>>16377111
>be prot kiddy
>atheism dabbed on your "religion" and then pissed on the corpse
>scared because nihilism
>seek "tradition" as if it were a good instead of an activity because evola said so
>dont take up the faiths of your fathers, lutheranism, methodism, quakerism, etc
>instead adopt 20th century italian catholicism
>immediately try to kickstart the protestant reformation 2.0 because catholicism is too catholic for you
You guys need to get out more, holy shit.

>>16371490
>John Paul II
>Jimmy Akin
>Caussade
you are deceived by satan.

>>16369982
based
>>16368005
based. heretics literally can't even cope.
>>16367925
thats the best one on early church history out there.

>>16366074
Develop pederastic tendencies.

>>16366939
>Yet the church went lax
if only you knew how bad things really are.

>>16366219
>I answer only to the lord.
lol no you don't.

Matthew XVIII. 17:
>And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Luke X. 16:
>He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.

John XV. 20:
>Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.

John XVI. 12-13:
>I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.

Acts VIII. 30-31:
>And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest? Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Acts XV. 6-7:
>And the apostles and ancients assembled to consider of this matter. And when there had been much disputing, Peter, rising up, said to them: Men, brethren, you know, that in former days God made choice among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Acts XV. 41:
>And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches, commanding them to keep the precepts of the apostles and the ancients.

2 Thess II. 14:
>Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

2 Thess III. 6:
>And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.

1 Tim III. 15:
>But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Hebrews XIII. 17:
>Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

2 Peter I. 20-21:
>Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter III. 15-16:
>And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: is also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

Fr. Gabriel, Divine Intimacy

Daily meditations on the interior life, written to correspond with the liturgical year.

HIGHLY, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

>>16374994
Christopher *Dawson

>>16367535
cringe

>>16377222
thanks fren

>>16377111
>>16377090
>>16377077
>>16377061
>>16377102
>>16377124
Just go to an FSSP mass lol. Retard sedevacantists are no better than prots. When an imposter enters your home you don't leave it. You attempt to get rid of him. There is of course a crisis in the church, but it doesn't mean to throw out all the tradition and apostolic succession because of it. You guys would have followed Martin Luther.

>>16366074
i have little to add, but I have a few Youtube channels to check out.
Classical theist
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChairmanDrek757

Sensus Fidelium
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3x3gDTqUYy_bFZWS-U_mZQ

>>16378773
Classical Theist is based. I didn't know anything about the differences between Theistic Personalism and Classical Theism before I started watching him.

>>16366074

>>16371590
There are much more relevant dialogues than the republic. Like Phaedo.

>>16366263

>implying the Catholics don’t know that the Jews already know

>>16371273
Douay-Rheims

The monthly publication MAGNIFICAT is **extremely** well done. Highly recommended.

https://us.magnificat.net/

>>16366074
Listen to Fr. Isaac, here is his youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2fRIAUq3x1IPnFBmEh4dgQ

>>16375543
dont believe the lie that it is because of celibacy, as you said, it is because of homosexual priests who should not have been allowed to be priests in the first place

>>16379225
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2fRIAUq3x1IPnFBmEh4dgQ

sounds based

>>16379321
he is incredibly based, I strongly recommend watching his videos on the last four things

>>16378262
except you guys submit to the imposters and call them popes.

>>16379225
is he sedevacantist?

>>16379478
There have been many bad popes in the past anon.... Read a book on papal history or something. Do you agree with Martin Luther? WE should work to expel them from our home not leave it altogether.

>And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.

>>16379491
who are you to judge who is a "bad" pope. i don't think we've ever had a bad pope. however there have been over 40 anti-popes throughout history so maybe you should take your advice and do a little reading of your own instead of blatantly dishonoring your fathers. you realize there is a huge difference between something like owning multiple bishoprics to increase your revenue vs being a manifest heretic, which nullifies all authority per cum ex apostolatus officio which was later confirmed again by pope St Pius V in inter multiplices. do you not realize that the key issue is that vatican ii directly contradicts previous infallible decrees? do you realize that two infallible decrees can't contradict each other? either vatican ii is the true church or the true church is the one that has existed for the past 2000 years consistently. you're seriously going to come at me and tell me to "read a book?" for fuck's sake, man, you have no idea what you are talking about. go read denzinger and then read the vatican ii documents. they literally cannot be reconciled.

>>16379539
http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/ take a look at this site brother, it refutes your arguments

Ok, I give up. What does Catholicism have to offer me?

>>16379556
>can't even make his own arguments
bye

>>16379539
>do you not realize that the key issue is that vatican ii directly contradicts previous infallible decrees?
Can you give me some examples?

>>16379590
>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth
>Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.
>The Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against men or harassment of them because of their race, color, condition of life, or religion

>>16379646
From what I've read I don't see how the Nostra Aetate contradicts any past teachings. I don't even think it is dogma or infallible. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>16379721
i'll do it in depth tomorrow if the thread is still up because i've already stayed up to late. should be obvious that false religions shouldn't be respected in any way though.

>>16379776
Are you sedevacantist?

>>16379565
Everything

"The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for:

The dignity of man rests above all on the fact that he is called to communion with God. This invitation to converse with God is addressed to man as soon as he comes into being. For if man exists it is because God has created him through love, and through love continues to hold him in existence. He cannot live fully according to truth unless he freely acknowledges that love and entrusts himself to his creator." - Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph 27

"777 The word "Church" means "convocation." It designates the assembly of those whom God's Word "convokes," i.e., gathers together to form the People of God, and who themselves, nourished with the Body of Christ, become the Body of Christ.

778 The Church is both the means and the goal of God's plan: prefigured in creation, prepared for in the Old Covenant, founded by the words and actions of Jesus Christ, fulfilled by his redeeming cross and his Resurrection, the Church has been manifested as the mystery of salvation by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. She will be perfected in the glory of heaven as the assembly of all the redeemed of the earth (cf Rev 14:4).

779 The Church is both visible and spiritual, a hierarchical society and the Mystical Body of Christ. She is one, yet formed of two components, human and divine. That is her mystery, which only faith can accept.

780 The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men.

"777 The word "Church" means "convocation." It designates the assembly of those whom God's Word "convokes," i.e., gathers together to form the People of God, and who themselves, nourished with the Body of Christ, become the Body of Christ." - Catechism of the Catholic Church

>>16375543
The celibacy requirement needs to be removed. The priesthood and the church will die if it’s not.

>>16379569
I am mereley an uneducated layman, I leave this debate to scholars and theologians

>>16379721
VII is not infallible, it did not meet the 3 requirements for infallibility, these are the 3 requirements set by Fr. Sylvester Berry:
“Certain conditions are necessary for the exercise of infallible teaching authority by the bishops assembled in council, namely: a) the council must be summoned by the Roman Pontiff, or at least with his consent and approval… b) The council must be truly ecumenical by celebration, i.e., the whole body of bishops must be represented. … c) Bishops assembled in a council are infallible only when exercising supreme authority as teachers of faith or morals by a definite and irrevocable decree that a doctrine is revealed… But since the bishops need not intend such an irrevocable decision at all times, it is necessary that an infallible definition be so worded as to indicate clearly its definitive character.”

Vatican II met the first two conditions, but it didn't meet the third criteria, as it did not define any dogmas. For futher reading I recommend these two articles:
http://trueorfalsepope.com/articles/siscoe/Was%20Vatican%20II%20Infallible%20Part%20I%20-%20CFN.pdf
http://trueorfalsepope.com/articles/siscoe/Was%20Vatican%20II%20Infallible%20Part%20II%20-%20CFN.pdf

>>16379983
Orthodox, I believe, have a healthier outlook on sexuality and priests. You can marry before you are ordained. Then again, the Church went with celibacy for a reason.

>>16380051
Some priests in the catholic church are allowed to become priests when they are already married. It's not common though.

>over 100 replies
>most of it is just shitflinging and fighting about the Church besides >>16371490

How come discussion of the Orthodox church never gets this heated?

>>16366939
Don't forget Judaism explicitly sanctions assfucking little boys. BT Sanhedrin 54b

>>16378262
>Implying I don't go to mass
Yea, I do talk about this with people at church. When there is a parasite in your house, you don't leave your house, you call pest control.

>>16374950
yep read the book, it is very good

>>16380343
Because the Orthodox Church is irrelevant.

Can a Catholic in good faith read William Lane Craig?
I'm talking specifically of his book "Reasonable Faith", because I find it a great handbook for apologetics, if not one of the best out there. Very objective and comprehensive, but not too shallow.

Nevertheless, and even if he's not so adamant about it and has been quite praising of Roman Catholicism, he is still a Reformist and holds quite a few heretic and heterodox views on the matters of Christology.

Don't get me wrong, I like Peter Kreeft and other Catholic apologists, and I feel much more comfortable reading them, but I think WLC's Reasonable Faith is on a league of its own. Still, I feel a little bit guilty of reading and recommending it. If only the guy would convert...

>>16366198
Haha comedic atheist btfo’s senile geezer parents and skips school to go to the fedora convention

>>16381706
From what I understand, he is a Theistic Personalist which is different from the prescribed view in the Catholic church of Classical Theism

>>16381706
>Can a Catholic in good faith read William Lane Craig?

You can read it in good faith, so long as doing so doesn't tempt you away from your Catholic faith. If it does so tempt you, then in my opinion it would be prudent for you to avoid it.

>>16380343
>How come discussion of the Orthodox church never gets this heated?

It does at times, it just hasn't blown up in this thread. I think our Orthodox bros are respecting the scope of the OP's inquiry: How do I become a more faithful Catholic? And I am grateful to them for that courtesy.

Speaking of becoming a more faithful Catholic in the modern world, here's another good book:

Fr. John Hardon, Spiritual Life in the Modern World.
>https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Modern-World-Father-Hardon/dp/0967298962

I might add that everything Fr. Hardon wrote has value, including his Catholic Catechism, written in 1975, prior to the promulgation of the Vatican's Catechism of the Catholic Church under John Paul II.
>https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Catechism-Contemporary-Teachings-Church/dp/038508045X

Much of value may be found in this text - my copy is heavily underlined and highlighted - which complements the official Catechism.

>>16381658
How so?

>>16379225
Speaking of Fr. Isaac, another pretty famous traditionalist priest of who there is a lot of sermons online has just launched his own youtube channel, Fr. Ripperger: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnw-H0jHcrp7XbQ2abPaS4w you can also hear some of his sermons on Sensus Fidelium
>>16379487
no, he is not a sedevacantist

>>16382827
I looked him up and it looks like he is part of the SSPX though.

>>16382849
You can attend SSPX masses if you don't do it with a schismatic mindset, please read this article:.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150601193834/https://www.scripturecatholic.com/feature-articles/Feature%20-%20Remnant%20The%20Inanity%20of%20Dr%20Moynihan%20Regarding%20the%20SSPX.pdf
I myself have some disagreements with the SSPX but I know I could attend their masses in good conscience

>>16383013
I actually grew up in an SSPX school and parish, but with the recent Church Militant revelations of some scandals involving them I just can't go in good conscience. I go to FSSP now.

>>16383437
Church Militant is sensationalist garbage, I don't trust them. But I guess I understand your concern.

What parts of the Bible need to be read to understand Catholicism?

>>16383486
SSPX said they were going to be transparent and then totally ignored the accusations by Church Militant.

>>16383801
Just read the whole thing

I’m convinced that most of the Catholic posters are just grandma’s boys who cannot cope with their own shortcomings and assign all blame for their social failures on nebulous Jewish boogeymen who are strong enough to secretly dictate their lives and weak enough to foolishly reveal themselves in all their acts. They believe the world must change and not them.

It’s easy to see, because their “Catholicism” serves their in-group identity but they have no places in their hearts for the Man they worship. The Church serves them and they do not serve Christ. They haven’t the confidence in themselves to search out the will of God by their own prayer and their own pain, so they fall at the altar of reactionary ideology. “I am smart, I am misunderstood and I am mistreated,” they say to each other. They are ripe for the picking, they are white for the harvest; though they are but tares to be thrown in the furnace. They are coal in their Great Man’s steam engine.

Someone reply with my words greentexted next to a wojak with a neck beard. Or just say my words are “gay.” Because that’s all it takes to convince you I’m wrong. You have been groomed to think so.

>>16383930
>so they fall at the altar of reactionary ideology

I love how Liberal Reformists think all of Roman Catholicism can be reduced to contemporary twitter TradCaths.

Having no idea of what Liberation Theology is or that the Church has many different theologians and ideologies within only shows how much of ignorant zoomer you are. No wojak needed.

>>16383930
>thinking catholicism boils down to reactionary politics.

In fact it is quite the opposite. There is nothing reactionary about standing firm to the principles of tradition handed down by Jesus to Peter and to the Apostles. What is detestable though, is conforming to the changing of the modern world not because it is true, but because to do otherwise would mean to be different from society. We are not Catholics because it pleases our personal "aesthetic", but simply because it is the truth. We are not Catholics as a result of the liberalization of socity. We are Catholics because it is the only Universal and One Holy Apostolic Church, given to us by Christ to Peter, and so on through apostolic succession. You can compare real practicing Catholics to tradcath reactionary zoomers on twitter or whatever you would like, but know the reasoning people are in the Church by actually asking practicing Catholics or even a priest. Don't try to psychoanalyze a large group of people for no reason because some retard on twitter or 4chan upset you.

Someone reply with my words greentexted next to a zoomer tradcath wojak . Or just say my words are “gay.” Because that’s all it takes to convince you I’m wrong. You have been groomed to think so.

>>16381658
this. they get away with everything because of lack of scrutiny. in reality, they are a total mess, just like prots and fake catholics.

bump

Someone else has already mentioned Saint Francis de Sales. That's very good. He should be more well-known on this board in general, since he is literally the patron saint of writers.

Another great book of his is his classic, "The Introduction to the Devout Life." Unlike many books on spiritual direction published in the Reformation/Counter-Reformation era, THIS book is written specifically for lay people. Even all these centuries later, I think it is a phenomenal guide to holiness in everyday life. Every Catholic should read it.

>>16383930
>I’m convinced that most of X are just secretly Y because subconsciously they words words words

>>16386340
>Every Catholic should read it.
Yep.

>>16384496
>There is nothing reactionary about standing firm to the principles of tradition handed down by Jesus to Peter and to the Apostles. What is detestable though, is conforming to the changing of the modern world not because it is true, but because to do otherwise would mean to be different from society.

>>16386429
You have made no point.

>>16386443
Adherence to (perceived) tradition is literally the defining characteristic of reactionary thought.

>>16386453
adherence to being gay is the defining characteristic of your posts.

>>16386470
k

>>16386453
Your definition said it was a return to a previous political state. Belief that God is eternal and the tenets of the Catholic faith are eternally true is not reactionary, anymore than belief that certain natural scientific principles always hold true reactionary.
Is belief in gravity reactionary?
Also, this anon is entirely correct >>16386470

>>16386509
The truth or untruth of the principle has nothing to do with whether or not adhering to it constitutes a reactionary position. The 'return to tradition' i.e. regression to a previous state is what makes it reactionary.

>Is belief in gravity reactionary?
It would be in a scenario where the prevailing belief was that gravity has been outmoded and replaced by a more accurate model.

Flat earthers are reactionaries.

To comment on a debate going on over sedevacantism that I don't want to mass reply to: the only reason sedevacantism exists is because of modern media. Never in human history has news about everything been instantly available to the unwashed masses for their own interpretation which, if you're actually Catholic, you know from the protestant reformation that the great unwashed interpreting things for themselves always leads to catastrophe. There have been far worse times in Church history than now, you didn't see sedevacantists arise in the way they have today (given you had anti-popes but it was slightly different). The average Catholic throughout most of history didn't know who the current Pope was, he very rarely even knew who his bishop was, and yet the Church survived and endured all the way up to the current day (and all the way up until the 1960's if you're a sede). Why sedevacantists totally ignore the worse periods of Church history to pretend that today is any different boggles the mind, it's a protestant mindeset - the "oh wow all this information is available to me, an uneducated peasant! let's make up our own decision on the state of the Church!".

>>16386643
>regression to a previous state
Which does not apply, nobody is saying to regress to any previous state. You are hallucinating things which are not being said.

>>16386470
based retard

>>16367535
>muh kafka threads!!!

>>16386685
retarded take

why would u wanna join a fraternity of child molesters

>>16387641
you parents are ten times more likely to be pedophiles than priests

>>16387641
because of what you said

>>16387585
cry about it zoomer

>>16386685
Great Take

bump

For me, it's the Pater Noster

>>16389167
based

>>16366242
They definitely have raped many children though. There's so much evidence from around the world.

>>16371273
Any bible with a Catholic imprimatur is good. Don't worry about it more than that.

By the way, everybody should definitely read Pope Benedict's "Jesus of Nazareth" books. I would consider them the definitive Catholic take on the Gospels, at least in the last few centuries. Benedict/Ratzinger in general is one of the greatest intellects to come out of the Church in the last hundred years, and I suspect he will be declared a Doctor of the Church at some point after his death.

>>16371405
thanks for posting this friend :~)

>>16371405
thanks for posting this friend :~)

>>16383013
>Letting the SSPX tell you whether or not they're in schism
You are allowed to attend their masses, but it's strongly encouraged that you go to a church in full communion with the Vatican instead if it's at all possible.
https://zenit.org/2020/03/17/sspx-masses/

>>16392223
not everyone has access to FSSP or ICKSP or diocesan, the SSPX is in much more countries than the other ones

>>16386685
This is a pretty good summation of it. But I think the change in attitude of the church over the past 200 years has had a real effect on sedevacantism and other anti-conciliar movements, in the sense that the now peaceful church allows these people to exist. If these people tried pulling their "The last ecumenical council is invalid, the pope isn't the real pope" bs in the 17th century, they'd be burnt at the stake, no ifs ands or buts. They hate religious tolerance, but it's the only thing that protects them.

>>16392278
I said if at all possible, not "If there's an Extraordinary Form mass conveniently located near you". If there's a catholic church anywhere in your city, go.

>>16386685
The biggest counterargument, I feel, to the sedes, SSPX, and other traditionalist breakaways is they can never stay unified. The original sedevacantist split led to more splits, the SSPX split led to more splits, and so on. All these groups are built on being the only one who knows the real truth that "They" don't want you to know, and can't stand reconciling their views to someone else. It's just like the Protestant Reformation: schism leads to schism, and only the Church of Rome has maintained its integrity to the present time.

>>16380343
Have you never seen the shit flinging the constantly surrounds Jay Dyer?

>>16366074
best book I ever read
I’m not practicing
but it’s a glorious religion

>>16371490
Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott is absolute definitive, it will help you sort out the Catholics who know their stuff from the ones who don't.

>>16391461
First time I see it mentioned here, good shout.

What are the best Catholic Theology books?

I was educated in Catholic schools throughout college. Wouldn't recommend Catholicism.

What's the right Catholic thing to do when a very wicked person dies? Celebrate it? Neither joy nor sorrow? Does anybody know?

>>16383930
I'm a grandma boy, any problem with that?

>>16393739
No particular thing unless you're a moralistic old lady I suspect.

>>16386453
You have absolutely 0 idea of what reactionary means dude.

>>16393754
So can you celebrate it and say "I'm happy this person no longer exists?"

>>16393739
Pray about it. Ask God to give you the wisdom of how to handle RBG's death.

>>16393776
It is God's will that she die, and we should pray that God have mercy on her, but there is nothing wrong with being happy that a wicked woman is dead.

>>16393739
Pray for their soul and be joyful that they can't commit more evil, I think.

>>16371490
>John Paul II

Good books about monasticism or written by a monk? Also any book I should read before starting Summa Theologiae?

>>16395076
St. Gregory the Great, Dialogues
St. Benedict, Rule of St. Benedict

>>16392526
Thanks for the tip.

Reminds me of the category of good, short saint biographies.

Here's one:
Evelyn Waugh, Edmund Campion, A Life

Back cover text:
>Evelyn Waugh presented his biography of St. Edmund Campion, the Elizabethan poet, scholar and gentleman who became the haunted, trapped and murdered priest as a simple, perfectly true story of heroism and holiness. But it is written with a novelist's eye for the telling incident and with all the elegance and feeling of a master of English prose. From the years of success as an Oxford scholar, to entry into the newly founded Society of Jesus and a professorship in Prague, Campion's life was an inexorable progress towards the doomed mission to England. There followed pursuit, betrayal, a spirited defense of loyalty to the Queen, and a horrifying martyr's death at Tyburn.

Very good book; Waugh was terrific at nonfiction. His Catholic faith shines in this book, as indeed it shined in the life of Campion.

>>16395076
>Good books about monasticism or written by a monk?

Dom Columba Marmion, Christ the Life of the Monk. This is an inspiring guide to monastic development of the interior life.

Thomas Merton, The Seven Story Mountain. Autobiography of a pagan American convert to Catholicism who became a Trappist monk. Classic.

A Monk, The Hermitage Within. Good book. Comfy, inspiring.
>https://www.amazon.com/Hermitage-Within-Spirituality-Cistercian-Translator/dp/B011T8C4GY

>>16395191
>>16396170
Thanks bros.

>>16371405
Can some anons post more stuff about the Christian view of marriage?

>>16396997
Catechism of the Council of Trent:
http://catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/Holy7Sacraments-Matrimony.shtml

>>16397191
I have a serious question. What is a devout Catholic to do if his wife commits an act of infidelity?

None of this matters. You will still die and be forgotten.

>>16398005
You might be able to get an annulment.

>>16398358
No one should be Catholic because they want fame anon.

>>16398472
And that's it? There are no other solutions? Is there no guidance provided for men who end up in such a situation?

>>16398495
Glad to see you agree this is a pointless waste of time.

>>16398517
The couple should attempt to do everything they can to make the marriage work for the sake of the children.

>>16380034
Lol you catholics and your legalistic copes

>>16398005
St. Alphonsus allows for physical chastisement when the wife sins against chastity.

>>16398472
Annulments only work if the marriage was never valid in the first place, they are not divorces and should not be treated as such.

>>16398358
>None of this matters. You will still die and be forgotten.

A Certain Moment, May 12, 1935

424 In the evening, I just about got into bed, and I fell asleep immediately. Though I fell asleep quickly, I was awakened even more quickly. A little child came and woke me up. The child seemed about a year old, and I was surprised it could speak so well, as children of that age either do not speak or speak very indistinctly. The child was beautiful beyond words and resembled the Child Jesus, and he said to me, Look at the sky. And when I looked at the sky I saw the stars and the moon shining. Then the child asked me, Do you see this moon and these stars?

When I said yes, he spoke these words to me, These stars are the souls of faithful Christians, and the moon is the souls of religious. Do you see how great the difference is between the light of the moon and the light of the stars? Such is the difference in heaven between the soul of a religious and the soul of a faithful Christian. And he went on to say that, True greatness is in loving God and in humility.
- Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul

>>16398606

1507 All grace flows from mercy, and the last hour abounds with mercy for us. Let no one doubt concerning the goodness of God; even if a person’s sins were as dark as night, God’s mercy is stronger than our misery. One thing alone is necessary: that the sinner set ajar the door of his heart, be it ever so little, to let in a ray of God’s merciful grace, and then God will do the rest. But poor is the soul who has shut the door on God’s mercy, even at the last hour. It was just such souls who plunged Jesus into deadly sorrow in the Garden of Olives; indeed, it was from His Most Merciful Heart that divine mercy flowed out.
- Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul

>LEGALISM BAD

>>16398901

1520 Today the Lord said to me, I have opened My Heart as a living fountain of mercy. Let all souls draw life from it. Let them approach this sea of mercy with great trust. Sinners will attain justification, and the just will be confirmed in good. Whoever places his trust (115) in My mercy will be filled with My divine peace at the hour of death.

1521 The Lord said to me, My daughter, do not tire of proclaiming My mercy. In this way you will refresh this Heart of Mine, which burns with a flame of pity for sinners. Tell My priests that hardened sinners will repent on hearing their words when they speak about My unfathomable mercy, about the compassion I have for them in My Heart. To priests who proclaim and extol My mercy, I will give wondrous power; I will anoint their words and touch the hearts of those to whom they will speak.
- Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul

>>16371490
>Ignatius Press
Oh, you mean the j*suit run satanic press which proudly just published the ground-breaking book "Women's Liberation and Sex"? That Ignatius Press?

>>16399283
>>16399363
Posting random quotes from a random book changes nothing. Life has no meaning. Nothing you or anyone or anything in the known or unknown universe can change that.

>>16366237
what angers you man

You do attend the extraordinary form right anon?

>“Five times does the priest turn round towards the people, to denote that our Lord manifested Himself five times on the day of His Resurrection.” (Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica III, q.83, a.5, ad 6)

>>16400012
I wish I could

I'm drunk and feel like fighting someone online so, FUCK GOD.

>>16366219
answer to the semen demons in your mind.
professional FAPPER

This book seems quite interesting. Not necessarily Catholic, but Christian apologetics and exposure of the Jewish Talmud.

>>16367535
A few years ago there were a lot more Catholics on this board with a steady general and everything.

>>16366074
>ctrl+f "les miserables"
>0 matches
for shame /lit/, this is quintessential catholic lit, although the anti-monarch theme is kind of cucked

>>16400802
can you tell me more about this book? I thought the author was anti-catholic

based thread primito (s)
got quite a bit of stuff to read from what's recommended here
t. not even a catholic
kek

>>16400851
never researched victor hugo but I got a huge impression he was catholic as fuck, with how he wrote Javert, the nun that saved Jean Valjean, the priest from Digne, Cosette being raised by nuns
If Victor Hugo wasn't catholic he was at least very religious and doesn't seem to vindictive against them, though he did make a critical remark against the politics/internal power struggleof the vatican, but there's always been a number of catholics who have criticised the vatican for their ill practices

>>16400913
>t. not even a catholic
yet

>>16400937
i'm too lazy to convert and I just can't believe in the arbitrary rules of any religion
At best I'd just become a cultural catholic, never truly believing and just larping

>Someone reply with my words greentexted next to a zoomer tradcath wojak . Or just say my words are “gay.” Because that’s all it takes to convince you I’m wrong. You have been groomed to think so.

>>16400943
It's always that way until God Himself comes upon you, suddenly and unexpectedly.

Don't doubt His power. If you go looking for Him, He will find you, and you won't withstand it.

>>16400953
I've searched for God all my life and I've convinced myself he exists, I just don't think any religion in this world does him justice, I can't even explain why I just feel everything is too fake.
I like the catholics for their culture and their prejudices but I can't believe with them.

>>16400958
You are interested. That is the beginning.

If you want a taste of the grandeur and the beauty of the Catholic Church, my advice would be to try and pray the Rosary every day. Try it for a week or two. Every day. Give it a go. See what happens.

>>16400949
holy based

>>16400958
>>16400969
I second this, brother, pray the rosary!

Is Catholicism compatible with nudism?

>>16366074
Friendly reminder to all that salvation is by Faith Only. There is no other way.

If you were not 100% sure of your salvation before (you won't have 100% assurance of salvation if you trust your own works), but believe the gospel now, ask Jesus to save you by praying the sinner's prayer.

bump

>>16386696
no dude, everyone is a homosexual and a free loving atheist! we no longer have catholic propaganda 24/7 so we're in our natural lgbt loving, none racist state! don't you see you're reactionary? who taught you to be racist? who taught you to hate?
jesus LOVED man, catholics aren't with jesus, jesus never taught such hateful stuff

>>16401019
Faith without works is dead, Christ said those who do not materialize their faith by good works will be cast into the fire. Do not post here again.

What am I in for?

>>16400993
Yes, it goes against modesty.

>>16402982
No*

Watching these people getting baptized with masks on on the St. Patrick's livestream is so sad.

>>16402982
Then Catholicism isn't for me. Sorry to bother you.

>>16400958
>I've searched for God all my life and I've convinced myself he exists, I just don't think any religion in this world does him justice, I can't even explain why I just feel everything is too fake.
>I like the catholics for their culture and their prejudices but I can't believe with them.

Pray. Ask God for the grace to believe (faith is a gift of God's grace).

Consider reading - I really recommend that you do read - a book called Spiritual Journeys edited by Robert Baram, a very fine collection of conversion stories. Reading stories of this kind opens a window - in one's mind and spirit - to the process of conversion, which, as these stories make clear, can be remarkably varied.

The book is unfortunately out of print, but here is a link to reasonably priced used copies:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003YIZDR0/

>>16402908
A good book, and an interesting story.

I love Dorothy Day.

>>16399376
>God will have to let me into heaven once he hears this convoluted legal argument for why the second vatican council isn’t infallible!

>>16375543
>Percentage of crediably accused priest = 1-3%
>Percentage of priest with hebephillic tendency = 6-10%
>Percentage of priest who are homosexuals = 50%
>Percentage of priest who are Heterosexuals = 50%
So, really we should accept the fact that homosexuality is an eccentricity of the priesthood and that it's not going anywhere, but thing is that these statistics are all a few decades old at this point. I have have good reason to think that the amount of heterosexual clergy is increasing. Reason for this is as follows: Marrige and sex are not as cracked up as they used to be. It's much harder for men to have sex and get married now-a-days, it's much harder to achive that "suburban middle-class house with a picket fence and 2.4 kids" that boomers took for granted. Since more and more young men are rejecting marrige, you'll see more go to the priesthood.

>>16404448
>calling me a sede
Are you retarded?

>>16404496
At the very least trying to "recognize and resist" the Vicar of Christ isn't going to lessen the time you spend in purgatory.

>>16404556
>resist the Vicar of Christ
I literally just said ">LEGALISM BAD", no idea how retarded you have to be to shove words I never even hinted at in my mouth.

>>16400969
I just wanted to pop in the thread and thank you anon for reminding me to pray the rosary.
I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools but for the longest time I've only larp'd as a one for the street cred, especially during my time in college.
After meeting the woman I'm going to marry (who was a Catholic convert from Southern Baptism), I have revitalized my faith and have started my journey to truly lead a Christian life, all thanks to her really. Something that I'm in the process of currently doing.

So thanks again for the reminder.

>>16402982
seething incel

>>16400969
How does one pray the rosary

If you have Audible Plus, you can now stream this for free. Very interesting book. If you're American and absorbed a lot of anti-Catholic propaganda from prots and fedoras, this will really open your mind.

>>16371405
Counsel of trent declared the inferiority of marriage to celibacy continence.

>>16377133
>You guys need to get out more, holy shit.
Bonjour, reddit.

>>16407447
https://joao.machado-family.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Traditional_Rosary.pdf

>>16407447
>>16407836
Also, I recommend an app called "Laudate", it contains a digital rosary with guide so you can pray along it. I learned to pray it in Latin thanks to that app. Regarding the Luminous mysteries, they were an optional meditation added by St. John Paul II, but I don't pray them as they aren't part of the rosary Our Lady gave to St. Dominic.

>>16407836
>>16407863
Thank you anon

>>16379983
Hasn't died out over 2000 years. And priesthood isn't a race or class that needs children to continue. Anyone can and do become a priest. Besides you basically pay the church your donation for their kids to end up as sluts. No thanks. Don't want the priest more concerned with his daughter dating an athiest than my souls salvation.

>>16398517
If she entered marriage with a false intent of fulfilling marriage obligations you can get an annulment. You can then remarry after civil proceedings are complete. If she made a mistake and is truly doing penance, you probably can't do anything.

based thread still alive

>>16366939
Prots forever BTFO
It always takes only one (1) long post to close the thread with Catholicism winning

>>16407588
There is also a playlist on youtube with a similar idea if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDj5nM0KbdUTEpoka1oyAR8BtHfIiVJm

>>16408810
>Anyone can and do become a priest.
And the point is that no one is doing so anymore.

>>16409669
lol, there’s new vocations all the time. I actually follow this stuff. the idea that new people aren’t become priest, monks, nuns, etc. is just false.

>>16409758
Why are you such a retard? The fact that the church can't replace it's vocations any longer because of the massive drop in people wanting to become priests is well attested.

Why must you people deny even the simplest of truths? Why must everything become an argument?

>>16409784
your just wrong dude, idk what you want me to say.
>it’s well attested....
by whom? more example of people talking about stuff they don’t know about.

you're all fuckin retards

>>16409758
The only reason and i mean this literally that there is still a priesthood in europe is because of Africa. Vocations in Europe are tiny and the priests there are, are all rushed off their feet trying to do the work of half a dozen priests.

>>16410166
your*

>>16366114
Found the faggot.

>>16409643
>similar idea

That's literally the author! Thanks man, looks good.

This is another good book. It's written by a protestant who got sick of the bullshit.

>>16366074
>>16366114
>>16366125
>>16366138
At 2 minutes intervals. It really makes you think.

Who could be so fast and be behind this post? Hmmmmmmmm

Sainte Thérèse de Lisieux

>>16366074
It seems like the majority of the world absolutely detests Catholicism. Does anyone know why? From the scandals in the Church to strict adherence to religious morality, everyone that is opposed to Catholicism has a reason. Is it the protestant indoctrination, the modernist teachings, the enlightenment? What makes Christ's established Church so hated?

>>16411580
Every group is mistrusted by people who aren't part of it, especially if that group is seen as having undue power or influence. Might as well ask why so many hate Jews and Muslims.

>>16411580
this quote might not directly answer your question but I think it is a good quote to share nonetheless by Abp. Fultoon Sheen:
"If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hated. My reason for doing this would be, that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, He must still be hated as He was when He was on earth in the flesh. If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world. Look for the Church that is hated by the world as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church that is accused of being behind the times, as our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils. Look for the Church which, in seasons of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God. Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because He called Himself the Truth. Look for the Church which is rejected by the world as Our Lord was rejected by men. Look for the Church which amid the confusions of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect its Voice as the very voice of its Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly it is other worldly. since it is other-worldly, it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ Himself. But only that which is Divine can be infinitely hated and infinitely loved. Therefore the Church is Divine."

>>16411810
Yes but one must look at the general consensus of people to judge wisely. The Jews are often protected by the modern world. There is even a word that describes people that speak against it. Muslims are protected from media as well, hence, Islamophobia. But there is no word for the hatred of Catholics. Look at what they are teaching in the school. Every problem in history has been attributed to the so called "Dark ages." Catholics are said to be the enemies of science. The enlightenment is often cited as the breaking away from this ignorance. Even protestants, our separated Christian brethren hate us, call us idol worshipers, and pagans.

I don't want to propagate that we are victims and the rest of the world our enemy, and I see where you are coming from, but the pattern still persists. The Catholic Church's teachings are seen as outdated and the post enlightenment world hates it.

>>16411813
Thanks anon. My dad used to watch Fulton Sheen in the mornings when I was young. Brings back good memories.

resurrecting le catholic bread

>>16393739
Pray for their soul, that is what I do. No matter how bad of a person they were, you should hope that they found God's mercy.

>>16411580
>18 (A)“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 (B)If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because (C)you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Wish for a dying a thread:

That Caussade's Abandonment to Divine Providence would become /lit/'s theological equivalent to Blood Meridian or Moby Dick.

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VERY IMPORTANT READING:
Before Church and State by Andrew Willard Jones
Breaks down the modern conception of separation of powers and separation of church and state and enables one to enter into the Medieval concept of integralism.

Cool website I found today if anyone is interested.
Lots of quotes from Church Fathers that defend Catholic practice and teaching.
https://www.churchfathers.org/

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based and holypilled

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>prevailing belief
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