/lit/ - Literature

>>16360204
incel

>>16360204
Almost every book about the modern porn industry is tripe, but I'm working on it.

go on some furry porn site and look at the comments. you legit have people getting off to the most depraved evil shit seething about being judged in the comments when nobody has even said anything. sometimes you get interesting insights into how their mind works because they often bring up the same things

>>16360283
Incels are mostly porn addicts. Most of them aren't anti-porn. I don't understand why people accuse those of us who oppose pornography incels. It doesn't make sense.

>>16360378
What I find soul-crushing is that you sometime go to pornhub comments and there's guy going
>everytime I do this I just feel less and less, like some kind of animal
>I'm never going to amount to anything
>I just feel so lost and alone
And you have people replying and telling him
>you can do it brah, you can cut it, we're all gonna make it
It's not even some ultraweird furry bukkake ballcrushing or whatever. Porn is most certainly harmful to the wide population.

>>16360409
lol, THOSE comments actually give me hope, theres still some humanity in them where they can feel an abscence of something. with people commenting on more hardcore/ morally questionable stuff you get
>why cant we just be like animals that fuck all the time whenever we want
>very obvious contempt for whatever the subject is they are jerking off to (this one is very strange to me)
>usually the assumption that the imaginary "judgers" are just irrational puritans, they dont seem to think of the idea that they may actually care about something, they assume its just utterly hollow judgement for no reason
>ALWAYS feel the need to justify the ethics in the comments even if theres no argument, i.e. its society that makes this thing bad by stigmatising it, its natural
>acting like porn is one of the most important things in life and them not "publically" having access to certain types of it (animals or kids) is a huge pressing life or death issue and they feel opressed about it
>general narcissism, the subject of whatever they fantasise about never factors into their defences to imaginary people who arent commenting
>general impression that sex is literally all that matters, and if you desire a certain type of sex you just cope yourself into justifying it (restraint does not exist for them)
>extreme openess to child molesters, animal abusers, very forced and facile "wholesome" community that doesnt "judge" yet they get increidbly nasty toward anyone who would question that and generally have a litany of political views they dont shut up about (left and right wing) despite being friendly with people who have done depraved shit IRL

thats my experience after years of furry porn anyway. theres a lot more but these trends I see in a diluted manner in much of the populace, namely that morality is merely etiquette or social manners and people dont hold real values so why cant i just indulge in X forever

>>16360283
why are americans so angry when someone doesn't fornicate

>>16360204
do lewd pics of women count as pornography?

>>16360384
its a self hatred thing. Maybe I browsed /pol/ too much but even though they hate pornography and jews they still wank and post lots of porn, they stay on the nsfw section of 4chan as well. Not that Im an incel

>discontinued shitposting on imageboards for over a year
>relapse after getting on the dole thanks to corona
>begin having wet dreams after two weeks
Glad I haven't fapped in a year. Pornography destroys the mind and the libido.

>>16360515
Yes it's not hardcore porn but it's still porn

>>16360378
>go on some furry porn site
Alright but I'd rather not, faggot

>>16360518
You can't have browsed /pol/ much if you didn't realize those porn threads are spammed by outside groups, they're not posted by the userbase

>>16360479
I've never come across these, but to be honest. Just silly b&er, some comments obviously left by 15 YOs and the ones I mentioned above. But yes, the more degenerate the vids the worst the comments become. I was never into furry (bar the R34 pics of the usual anthropomorphic stuff) but I've done my fair share of cooming to more and more degenerate stuff. Like you said, it's good to see that some are trying to break away from it, but porn as a whole is a totally destructive force.

>>16360204
The only real reason I can see to stop using porn is so that you don't support companies which pressure actresses to do things that they don't want to/exploit women. I hear the NoFap angle, but seriously, I don't see how one can actually get addicted to porn.Last year, just to see if I was actually addicted to it, I decided to see how long I could go without jacking off to porn. I lasted 7 months, which to me indicates that porn addiction is a meme.

>>16360551
I was into very degenerate stuff but now I stopped. I never justified it to myself like they did, but the mere fact I was partaking in whatever small way in this soulless and harmful garbage started to make me feel terrible. I cut it out and am happier and a kinder person for it. People WILL fall down the rabbit hole eventually, and a lot of them dont see a way out at the bottom and just sit there endlessly justifying terrible things. You dont want to be that person

>>16360561
>I lasted 7 months, which to me indicates that porn addiction is a meme.
Just because it’s not a problem for you, doesn’t mean it’s not a serious problem for many many people. Some people can drink all they want without a problem, for others they can’t drink at all without it being a serious problem.

>>16360561
people would get addicted to beating up their mother if it released half the endorphins

How do I quit porn bros? I’m not even disgusted by myself anymore, it’s just something I do to jack off

>>16360631
>>>/fit/
"easy peasy"

>>16360631
unironically when you get the urge pray for strength not to give into the urge. works even if you dont believe in all that

>>16360631
Find God

>>16360631
You have to remove all devices that you can access it with.

There's no other option.

>>16360593
I'm more or less the same. Towards the last few years I did justify it to myself, not for pleasure but because of things I wanted to sort out, but I do absolutely feel shame over it. Well, shame is a hard word. It can't be changed, and it's not like anyone but me was hurt. But I do regret ever going down the rabbit hole.
>>16360561
It depends on when and how you started and how your social life is. Some guy who started jerking off at 13 and is a lonely, friendless KHHV in his 20s isn't likely to stop or not go for more hardcore stuff. Some guy who's had girlfiends since he entered puberty and has a good life but watches porn nce every blue moon t get his rocks off probably won't have a problem.
>>16360631
Willpower and some sort of association. Everytime you feel the need to watch porn you like and makes you hard, watch something that disgusts you. As time goes on, your brain will think porn is not big tits and fit asses, but whatever disgusting piece of prn you picked earlier.

>>16360631
Start by using a site-blocker.

>>16360669
>but watches porn nce every blue moon t get his rocks off probably won't have a problem.
I think my eclectic tastes give me a get-out-of-jail-free card. I can't stand the weak plots in the vast majority of porn; I end up reading erotica instead.

>>16360690
Nobody watches porn for the plots. The deeper you go down the rabbit hole you stop caring about what they look like. As long as the title describes your fetish of the month and the participants match the description, you're able to coom. But then that gets boring and you look for another thing and the cycle repeats. Porn destroys beauty and sexuality.

>>16360712
I read on sadpanda for plots. I feel guilt when I jerk off without plot, as if the action loses meaning. It's really not that I like anime titties over irl tittites, it's just that anime porn comics have something I can latch onto and feel empathetic about, to connect me to some forlorn deep seeded memory of when I was once happy and actually got laid on the reg.

>>16360732
I think you need to download Tinder, go out in person, and date on all fronts anon. Reading your post made me feel like you aren't happy.

>>16360712
>Nobody watches porn for the plots
I don't get it. Without plot, porn is just people grinding bits against one another.

>>16360204
You do know that Romans had huge phalluses on public display, and considered them a symbol of good luck, right? And that prostitution was legal, and that it wasn't shameful to go to brothels, as long as you did it in moderation?
Humans have always been coomers. The issue is with how much dignity you approach the subject. Anglos are still tactless, undignified barbarians at heart. They're only capable of swinging from one extreme to the other, but have no notion of moderation.
They went from muh Victorian prudishness, and "we gotta cover table legs because they look like dicks" to "BBC DESTROYS TEEN ANAL SEX". They don't deserve to have cultural hegemony on the world, because they ruin everything they touch, including pornography.

>>16360712
>Nobody watches porn for the plots.
That's fucking bullshit, if the porn has a plot it makes it so much better, that's why I like VNs like Taimanin Asagi so much, having an actual backstory and characters makes it so much hotter.

>>16360772
>anglos
>porn
m8 does it really need to be said

>>16360748
I’ve been a certified addict for years and years and never watch for the plot. Maybe in some fashion I do for certain scenarios and costuming, etc, but I’ve never once sat through dialog and shit, do people do that?

>>16360772
I don’t think the idea of being a coomer is necessarily inherently bad in society—this thread is specifically about internet pornography which has unique danger to the user. Using internet porn is very different than a prostitute

>>16360732
>>16360748
>>16360783
You're mistaking plot for concept. If someone is into incest or cucking or babysitters or whatever, just the title and pretense will be enough to get him hard. The more amateur it loks the better since it feels more "real". That's what a fetish eventually degrades to.

>>16360796
> just the title and pretense will be enough to get him hard.
No it isn't, if it's, say, mother and son incest, then I want to see the dialogue between the mother and the son, I want to see them questioning their desire to each other, I want to see the slow descent until they eventually give in and perform something extremely taboo.

>>16360772
Based and fascinus-pilled

>>16360811
That's because you still think like a casual porn watcher and not a full-on coomer.

>>16360538
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>16360828
Are you sure about that? Do casual porn watchers have 5 hour long masturbation sessions? Because I do.

>>16360811
Damn you are on another level my man. I just get the context from the thumbnail and title and then skip to the doggy scene. Now the question is: which of us is more degenerate?

>>16360792
I understand it for written works and stuff, but actual real life people porn? Any kind of shitty poorly acted plot is just terrible and worthless.

>>16360792
>but I’ve never once sat through dialog and shit, do people do that?
Yes. I'd stopped watching plenty of porn vids bc of poor dialog or silly plots.

>>16360479
/d/eviants are bros dude

Since this is the porn thread, are there any erotic novels that focus on bestiality? I've yet to see one, aside from that one canadian novel about the woman wanting to fuck a bear, and I'm not even sure if she did end up fucking him in that one.

>>16360836
Huh, well... From my experience the deeper you fall into the rabbit hole the less you care about plots because your mind is instantly drawn to the very base premise, as if it's under control.

>>16360942
This thread is about negative porn concerns you degenerate

>>16360204
>90 percent of men and 60 percent of women had watched internet porn before age 18
I hate porn addiction so much bros. Wish I never discovered porn, or at least didnt discover it until I was an adult.

>>16360966
Yeah I know but since this thread will attract degenerates I thought that maybe I might get some good recommendations.

>>16360204
infinite jest

>>16360204
It makes me really sad.

My gf has never watched porn and would be hurt to know that I watch it. I try to not and I think I'm getting better. Everytime I do I feel my world perspective get worse. I am quicker to anger and more insecure. I also think there is some weird effects on concentration and intelligence - something that can be called foggy cumbrain. Literally feel borderline retarded sometimes, and I suspect dopamine addiction from porn may be the cause.

As for books, I really can't help you. Literature is really behind the times on this stuff, I assume because Zoomers are still in highschool and millennials are retards.

PORN KILLS LOVE!

>>16360974
Same bro. I’m like 80% normie, but I’ve pretty much been afraid of female romantic relationships my whole adult life. While I think some of that comes from being an only child and having only male friends and male cousins for my whole childhood, I was exposed to porn early and I feel like it’s the skeleton in my closet for like two decades now.

>>16360479
I have a flimmer of hope that this is the turning point (especially because a lot of people went through a reflective phase because their normal lifestyle got interrupted by COVID) and that very soon the pendulum is going to swing hard towards some kind of spiritual awakening recognizing that hedonism is bad, not just because religion says so or because of "old social constructs".

>>16360204
The only thing that makes me depressed is seeing attractive women (looks and personality) online that you couldn't hope to ever meet and be with. There's some backend incel tier mindset I can't get rid of but at the same time I really dont think that term is fair. It's rather me being overly romantic about life and finding "the one." It's not that I expect anything though or that I want to"own" anyone. I simply long for a partner that I can share life with. If I could detatch from that thought I would. Few years ago i became quite obsessive about it. Up until I tried my best at what I thought was it, to only have it thrown back in my face. So on top of realizing that things just don't always work out, going towards the future I have to be cognizant of how I come across due to not being that attractive or sociable. I have to be oh so tirelessly aware that I inject illusions into reality.
Porn isn't the mind breaker people think it is. Your sexual needs and identity don't really mean much. The shit that fucks me up is seeing some sort of relationship promise land that I simply will never find myself in.

Libido Dominandi is incredible

Too bad Amazon recently banned it

>>16361197
why'd they ban it?

Fapping is the best thing in life, I'd kill myself if I ever lost my arms. Of course that's not only because of fapping but is a fair enough point. I find myself thanking God after a fap that I was born with such a great and easy way to feel momentary happiness and satisfaction in this crappy and unfair world. Well I shouldn't say world, but rather life.
And there is always something new to find too, just when your think you've seen all there is to see, you find some real good shit that was hiding just under your nose. That stuff mostly applies to doujins and erotica and eroge though.
As for 3D, I don't really watch anything other than amateur stuff normally, but it just feel good seeing and knowing there are so many cute girls in the world willing to do all sorts of things. I am for better or worse, probably worse, an optimist at heart so it gives me hope despite me knowing that its not likely anymore.

I'd quit porn if I had a rich and fulfilling ideal life, maybe.

>>16361227
Too redpilled

>>16361284
What if the complacency porn provides is keeping you from a rich and fulfilling ideal life?
Very blessed post tho

>>16361161
>. The shit that fucks me up is seeing some sort of relationship promise land that I simply will never find myself in.
You wouldn't be happy even if you found it.

>>16361345
The complacency is very fleeting, it doesn't affect much.

>>16360515
Yes

I often wonder if circumcision has any additional consequences to add to the pornographic issue. There's a serious lack of pleasure, and I myself have experienced a need to seek out that pleasure through diabolically grave fap sessions where I've deathgripped my bepis so hard, that my bepis hurts post ejaculation.

So I've always thought that the lack sensation contradicts the idea of seeking out pleasure, so that it makes a man doubly seek out pleasure that otherwise cannot normally be fulfilled.

This thread is making me feel like a weirdo for jacking off in under 20min and not watching the porn dialogue

>>16360378
>go on some furry porn site
I'll take your word for it fampai.

>>16361437
God damnit I keep getting reminded every time
But for real this is a good question, you and I will never feel half the pleasure you're supposed to get from sex so I guess more of the porn watching is to fill that void
Fuck

>>16360669
nope, you still sound like you are justifying it and defending yourself. You either be totally honest with yourself or you dont change, and I think if you are honest there is a part of yourself who is not wanting to change, to keep indulging, and that is what spurs the self defence. I know because I have been there. I suppose it depends on the severity of the content, but it does harm others. Contributing to the "market" of this content even as a passive consumer strengthens its power and contributes to the spread of a mental disease across many. The only way to stop is to say "no", if you know its wrong you know in your gut that it is wrong, dont cope around the fact

>>16360204
No one needs a book on porn, everyone already knows it’s inherently bad but just lie to themselves

>>16360204
The Reign of Quantity and Sign of the Times

>>16360772
>Romans
>biggest brainlets of the ancient world
>forerunners of modern burgerland
>coomers
it all fits

>>16360772
rome fell apart

>>16360631
Every time you are tempted, make a donation to charity. Find ways to sublimate the lust into good for humanity. Try it once. See how it feels.

Not even religious but porn has become a serious cultural problem, it’s how kids learn what sex is. So from a young age they learn porn is about degrading your partner as much as they’ll let you get away with.

>>16362410
>implying the United Kingdom/USA aren't getting their fair share of barbarians, and are doing jack shit about it
Specifically in regards to the British Empire, their colonies lasted what, not even 200 years? Pathetic.

>>16360204
There honestly are not very many books on the subject. I've looked into it a little bit. People either do not want to do the research, or they do not want their name on the cover. There are a couple of secular books with titles like "The Porn Myth" or "The Porn Trap" which appear to be pop psychology; there are a lot of Christian self-help books about how to stop masturbating; there are industry memoirs by porn stars; and then there are the second wave feminist texts, like Pornland, and Pornography: Men Possessing Women, which argue that porn is an instantiation of patriarchy. They are all bad books, from what I can tell. It seems that people have a hard time writing about the cultural impact of smut in general.

Does watching porn as a child count as sexual abuse? I think if we perceive of it that way then a lot of society's ails could be explained

>>16360204
Are you in the 10%?

>>16363206
>Christian self-help books about how to stop masturbating;
Plz recommend me some titles

>>16363376
If so what does it mean if you sought it out on your own accord after learning of its existence?

>>16363719
You suffered sexual abuse or at least sexual trauma

>>16360378

>>16360561
That's why I jerk it to hentai. Even the most depraved hentai is still more ethical than vanilla studio porn.

>>16363901
Is it autism?

>>16360204
This has got the science down. But what we really need is something more spiritual or philosophical like all those alcoholic programs and books.

>>16363901
What the fuck is anal vore

>>16361197
>Libido Dominandi
Looks interesting.

>>16363959
The act of inserting an entire human being into the anus. Vore, in general, would be having another human somehow inside of your body. A lot of vore(not all) involves giants or tiny people for this reason.

I only know this because that image piqued the same curiosity a long time ago, and I kinda wish I never knew. Weird fetish, I wouldn't want to be around anybody into the shit.

>>16363901
How does anyone find such an obvious shitpost funny

>>16364393
Maybe, but I think you underestimate the lack of self-awareness among people who are obsessed with a particular fetish or hobby, combined with a degree of autism. Keep in mind, this was posted on a hug box forum for vore fetishists. When you spend enough time around people who treat something very strange as mundane and normal, its very easy to become convinced yourself that your strange hobby is normal.

Personally, I believe it simply because I've known people like this. They get a lot of satisfaction from sharing their passions, however strange they may be.

>>16363901
God what a retard

>>16360204
Only 90%? That seems very low.

>>16364546
Probably some lie about it I would guess like 98 97

>>16361356
This only happens when you get your hearts desire long after you desired it. The toys that would have made me feel like the happiest most blessed person in the world when I was 7 won't do much for me now.

>>16364546
It was 2008. The number is probably 100% at this point. Especially if you consider Instagram and tiktok thots as softcore porn.

>>16364546
>>16364603
1. It was 2008, internet was not as ubiquitous
2. It was if you watched internet porn BEFORE 18
90% is certainly believable.

The same study done among college students now would yield like 99.9%

>>16364638
And the 0.01% would probably be lying kek

>>16364646
Nah there got to be some super sheltered mormon or something