/lit/ - Literature

>>16359585
language it's a symbol in on itself, my boy. but you should try, unironically. it would be interesting to see if, in fact, is possible to do it.

Take a look at Tarkovsky's films, he's known for not using any symbols in his movies.

>>16359656
is he, though? I may be a brainletto, but his films seem to me very symbolically charged.
Although it may be true that I am the one who puts symbols where there are none.

>>16359585
Easy, put a bunch of meaningless shit that could be taken to vaguely align with whatever politics the media agrees with that particular year, and watch the midwit journalists and the middle class eat the shit up when you just made a mindless entertainment movie, also act like you are a super enlightened fellow (((((writer)))) the parenthesis meaning pedophile, extra points if you are actually Jewish.

Symbolism is the second biggest crap only behind "foreshadowing".
You don't bring your views that exist outside of the text into the text.
You have characters interact in realistic ways in a realistic world. If you want to say something: you are a human being, are you not? Therefore you can insert a character that is like you, he will live in that world. But if you insert a sun clock that symbolizes decay, that is the highest form of hackery.

>>16359997
>You don't bring your views that exist outside of the text into the text.
Says the guy who brought foreshadowing into a conversation about symbolism.

>>16359997
It's easy to say but it doesn't work in films, It's either come off as cringe or just too bookish which is also not working in films (Everything need to be x20 more compressed and films are majorly story driven so you can't just make 10 pages of explaining your philosophy without driving the plot, doing both in interesting way is extremely hard). Symbolism in films is also a major way for flexing style.

>>16359706
Yeah, he really doesn't have a lot of symbols.

>>16359656
>he's known for not using any symbols in his movies

Is he tho? It's not what i got from watching his films

>>16360050
I brought it in because both are things that exist outside of the fictional world and both are things that should be avoided.

I also realize that some of the best writers used symboism, I mentioned a sun clock and that exists in Fontane's "Effi Briest" but I have always disliked it.
This is the kind of thjing your teacher will make you fap over in class, but it adds nothing to the text.

Foreshadowing is similar, but at least symbolism tries to say something, while foreshadowing uses out of text techniques to justify future developments that didn't happen organically.

>>16360050