/lit/ - Literature

>>16354928
this is gonna be a gud thread

>>16354928
Yes English people should not write about characters who speak ESL

Finally some fucking permission to replace all the shitty PoC characters in my draft with whites.

>>16354928
People need to stop needing to stop things

>>16354928
>we need more representation of the 11%
>no one but the 11% percent can write them!

I hate to be class reductionist here but...

>>16354928
>people here use twitter

>>16354928
Take your twitter horseshit back to /pol/, plebbo.

stop making threads from twitter screenshots. Just stop.

>>16354965
I’m Jewish. Gentiles shouldn’t even try to write Jewish characters, they always fuck it up. I imagine the experience is the same for PoC.

>>16354928
>Include a POC in your novel
>critics attack you for being ignorant of POC perspectives

Don't include a POC in your novel
>critics attack you for not including a diverse range of characters

It's reassuring to know that this is the reason why I'll never be published and not my lack of talent

This kind of logic is something I've been tossing around in my head.

The word of the day: stay in your lane! What happened to creative liberties? What if the novel I am writing - despite being a white man - is not meant to be some claustrophobic treatise on the exact conditions of my life?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

>>16354979
Jews also mess up writing Gentile characters btw

>>16354928
that's ok i don't mind
i only like reading about white people anyway

>>16355012
Not true, Jewishness is the essence of humanity. Gentiles pantomime Jewishness.

>>16355012
>>16354979
Ill be sure to burn away all the jewish characters in my prospective books

>>16354979
Don't waste your precious words here! Reply on Twitter so the world can appreciate your deep wisdom on the subject. This board is for discussing specific works of literature. Take care buddy.

>>16354979
Why? It's not very hard to describe ash

>>16354928
White guilt doesn’t extend to poos

>>16354986
Maybe they're signaling that white people shouldn't be writing at all. The more white people write, the more you silence Black and Brown voices by flooding the market with your trash. White people writing is just yet another example of White people trying to maintain their dominance: you're trying to police Black and Brown bodies by continuing to silence them.

>>16355021
This is why nobody likes you guys buddy

>>16355026
The relationship of the author to their characters determines how well the characters are written. To say otherwise is pure cope. This is why traditionally there have been so few female protagonists- it’s easier to write a character you can relate to and this is why literary masterpieces generally feature men

>>16354986
>>16354999
kek

>>16355036
In comparison to Whiteness, Jewishness is angelic. Jewishness, for all of its existence, has opposed the evil of Whiteness; from the Holocaust to discrimination in the the Middle Ages.

>>16354928
Honestly, white people just need to stop doing anything that they haven't explicitly gotten permission to do from a young, university educated woman. A young woman with a gender studies degree hasn't said that you're allowed to inhale and exhale at regular intervals? That's you're problem.

>>16355057
If that were true you guys wouldn't obsessively try to live in White countries, countries that keep kicking you out. It's clear that you want to be around Whites a lot more than Whites want to be around you.

>>16354928
White people need to get out of our countries. If you don't like it, leave.

>>16355063
You should go outside once in a while. People love Jews for our artistic talent. We also form the core of your legal and financial systems. Without Jews, China would have eclipsed America long ago.

>>16354928
Non-white people shouldn't write at all

>>16355075
Chinese are the jews of Asia

Can't wait for resegregation.

>>16355046
Save it for Twitter, homotron.

>>16355075
>Without Jews, China would have eclipsed America long ago.
God bless the jews for saving us from a bug's life

>>16354928
Sho nuffs burns my black ass pink when see dem white bois writing black folk.

>>16355108
Twitter is based, short and sweet replies with no strings attached. It’s no wonder there is much crossover with 4channel.

Thank G-d for Jews

I've seen people get memed into thinking this is right before they realise it literally makes it impossible for people to write fiction. Men can't have Women characters either by the same logic. The entire het-Romance genre is BTFO.

Wasn't JK Rowling condemned for having too many White people at Hogwarts?

>>16354928
I’m POC and write urban fantasy and can never write POC characters as the MC because it’s impossible to imagine

>>16354928
BAN TWITTER POSTERS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

>>16354979
>I’m Jewish
No you aren't

>>16354928
Saira is exactly the kind of brown character I would write, jealous and riddled with insecurities.

>>16355195
Writing is also an exercise for empathy and something writers get out of writing is putting themselves in the shoes of other people so the entire idea is just fundamentally fucking stupid and self-owning the deeper down you go. So lets say you have a White author which was wondering what it was like to be say, an Indian immigrant in their community and decided to write them as a character, but was afraid to cause offence so they wrote about another white person just like them. They're just going to get further and further away from relating to you.

The thing is that people are coming from a useful observation, that authors who are very familiar or share the same experiences as their characters tend to write from a more informed and sympathetic point of view, and just taking that observation and coming up with a stupid fucking idea. Lets ban whitey from writing about Indians. That's white supremacy! It is actually a FAR better idea to promote non-white authors and for whites to do more consultation when writing about people unlike themselves.

This twitter shit is just stupid and unlike a lot of SJW shit you can be openly against it because it's so stupid that if you point out the flaws in the position a bit a person looks like a complete fucking idiot and tool trying to defend their position no matter how emotionally they appeal. It's just too stupid for people to tolerate.

>>16354928
>listen to the silly bitch and write only white characters
>get criticized for racistly depicting only white characters and not being inclusive
You can't win with these retards.

>specifying a race

>>16355246
If you can go along with the trinity, you should have no problem complying with contradictory instructions from your BIPOC overlords.

>>16354928
At least white people can write

>>16354928
If I hear the phrase “bLack or bRoWn” again I’m going to vomit

imagine being so vacuous and deprived of humanity that you're only able to relate to characters that are of the exact same race, sex, and background as you are. what a pitiful existence.

>>16355259
Based
>>16355275
I guess Dostoevsky was deprived of humanity

>>16354943
lol

>>16355076
They can’t anyway so it doesn’t matter

>>16354928
I’d never put niggers in my story in the first place

>>16355213
Wrote the character to competition, finish the novel and then in every description just say he’s black

>>16355029
lol

>>16355306
That’s like writing the Iliad and then altering Achilles to be a Roman.

>>16355246
Just paste this tweet on the back cover and say “ I wanted to be respectful so I didn’t write niggers into my novel” - best regards, Anon

>>16355046
>This is why traditionally there have been so few female protagonists
No, it's because women are almost never extremely heroic or extremely evil or extremely cunning or extremely rebellious, so unless your goal is specifically to examine the mediocre a female protagonist usually doesn't make sense

>>16354928
Who am I supposed to use as antagonists?

>>16355341
>protagonists must be demigods
Maybe try reading something outside of genre fiction trash. Most protagonists are none of those things.

>>16354928
My protagonist is half-Cuban, but he's basically white so I'm ok

>>16355332
Sounds epic to me

>>16354928
I'm all for it, but probably not for the reason she wants.

>WE NEED MORE POC CHARACTERS
>NO YOU CANT WRITE POC CHARACTERS
>YES WHAT WE TRULY WANT IS FOR YOU TO DIE

>>16354979
Into the oven my jewish characters go
hi-ho!

Should women be allowed to male characters?
Assuming women should be allowed to write btw

>twitter thread
>people actually bumping it

>>16355057
>from the Holocaust to discrimination in the the Middle Ages
Are Jews made of tachyons (and thus experience time moving backwards)?

>>16355213
Weirdly, that should be your royal road to novel ( in the sense of new) creation; the plethora of white MC's makes it all but impossible to make one that isn't like some previous other one; the dearth of black MC's should produce an opposite, liberating effect.
I think a major problem for black writers of your ilk is the anticipation of a black audience's potential responses. Make the MC as interesting as you are yourself, for instance, then you may face claims of having had made him 'too white' --which is damning these days no matter how good your tale is..
I think this is a major problem; acceptance works two ways; the number POC nerds far exceeds that of POC athletes- but who dares speak up for *them*?
The irony is that Americans are far more alike than different these days but there's no less popular topic right now.

>>16354979
Shut up Shylock

>>16355075
>legal and financial systems
Your people are the tapeworm of humanity. Inshallah we will reclaim Palestine from river to sea, and rape your daughters and sisters before marrying them and forcing them to convert to Islam.

>>16355660
You’ll run out of children to use as human shields eventually mehmet

>>16355660
Based IslamiChad.

Let the rivers run black with kike blood!

>>16355031
>The more white people write, the more you silence Black and Brown voices by flooding the market with your trash
>you're trying to police Black and Brown bodies by continuing to silence them
It's a really weird position to take if that is the case. Surely that's more of a problem with competition in the market? Sounds like a structural or systemic issue, rather than something you can just levy at an individual. It's like racial veganism– Your sacrifice won't make much difference to the environment on a global scale, and it might impair you in the long term, but its a very effective way of telegraphing that you do really truly care about the cause.

Seriously, how does stopping white people from writing address the bigger issue, which is that publishers themselves are being racially biased in their selections? Punishing the writers does nothing address systemic racism. It's pointless.

>>16354928
>black capitalized
>brown is normal
what did xhe mean by this

>>16354928
cancel Coetzee

>>16355372
is he a gusano

>>16354928
>Non-wizards should stop writing about wizards

As an asian woman I can confirm that non-Asians should not write Asian characters and non-women should not write women characters

>>16355660
I do wonder why /pol/tards think Jews are the ones behind Muslim migration to Europe. Jews aren't dumb enough to replace the one population that likes them the most with the one that hates them the most.

>>16357475
But then how are we supposed to diversify our cast of characters without getting called out for not having representation? Am I supposed to co-write all my books with BIPOC?

Niggers can't write realistic white villains

>>16354928
I thought Cacambo was pretty great

"brown" is not even a thing.

>>16355021
Hahahaha the Jewish elitism is astounding

>STOP WRITING NON-WHITE CHARACTERS!!!
>OMG WHY ARE THERE NO NON-WHITE CHARACTERS IN THIS THING YOU WROTE????
I wish these godless commies would have the balls to come out and say they don't want white people to do anything except die.

>>16355021
So the juice in the jewish mass graves that totally exist is basically concentrated jewishness, so if I were to drink it in a reverse blood libel incident, I'd become uberjewish, uberhuman and uberbanker?

>>16354928
God, I fucking WISH I didn't have to put them into my novels to get them so much as looked at by publishers. The first critique I received back from a professional editor was
>Not enough POC
>Not enough LGBTQ rep
>White male leads are overdone, make him asian or POC
I'd be totally fine just writing about white people but you fucking cunts won't let me.

>>16355259
good post

>>16355021
>damn and then one day grandma got shot into a ditch

>>16354955
First day?

>>16357661
Who even is brown?
Arabs? Hispanics?

>>16357731
Asian =\= POC?

>>16359035
Asians are POC, except that its OK for white people to write about them.

>>16359035
>>16359039
East Asians are Schrodinger’s POC. POC when convenient. Try to not to overthink it too much, it’s not supposed to be a coherent system since coherency is a white thing.

>>16354979
Thanks for the insight. Will gas them by the end of 1st chapter from now

>>16355075
>We also form the core of your legal and financial systems.

No shit

>we need to stop publishing white authors

>>16359029
Hispanics aren't Brown, they're Latinx/Hispanx. Arabs are Muslims. "Brown" is a rough assortment referring to non-Whites who are too worthless to have an actual oppression narrative, like Pajeets, or Muslim SEAs.

>>16357696
They do. They're cheering on the Antifas lighting the California forest fires for that reason.

>>16354928
wait, what? if there were ZERO minorities in white-made literature, wouldn't they use that fact to argue that white-made literature is racist?

The white/PoC dichotomy is illusory and an intellectual crutch used by those who are unable to control their base instincts. Only the weak fall prey to the follies of the limbic system.

This board is so obsessed with the arbitrary concept of race. These threads are no better than coomer threads; if you engage in either you are caving to your caveman instincts.

"My tribe good. Your tribe bad. Woman bears child. I fuck her."

Grow up, move on to greater intellectual pursuits.

>>16359154
Perhaps read the entries before posting? There's some interesting stuff in here-- not alot, of course, but some statements worth a comment. This preferred mode of yours as every bit as tiresome as what it condemns.

>>16354928
never read DFW have you

>>16354928
She's right though, stop including PoC in books

>>16359154
Too obvious, kike.

>write white characters
muh diversity!!
>write other characters
the AUDACITY

>>16359152
I imagine there isn't really a consistent or unified opinion amongst the black community on the subject. You're never going to get a coherent answer if your only engagement with the different kinds of arguments being made is through cherrypicked twitter screenshots.

That said, I think those at the radial end of the spectrum could suggest that ALL white-made literature is racist, as it drowns out black voices who have been given far less representation. So in that instance the solution for whites isn't to stop writing POCs, but to stop writing period. Of course, none of them would openly admit to opposing free speech, because it really is an incoherent position to hold. You're holding white writers to account for a problem that is clearly institutional (publishers decide who gets published, not the writers themselves). Rather than cracking down on institutional bias towards whites, they would rather force white writers to make tokenistic sacrifices that do nothing to address the real (systemic) problem.

>>16359251
Yes, white people should stop writing. There's more than enough dead white men in the canon already.

>>16359317
Funny. What you rightly fear is that you don't measure up, which is understandable.

>>16359395
Exhaustion isn't fear.

>>16354928
I don't read books with black and brown characters anyway lol

>>16355059
>you're
An argument can be invalidated by a single typo.

>>16359520
Exhaustion from fear isn't any better.

>>16359559
Good thing this is exhaustion from monotony than.

>>16354943
Very good comment

>>16359586
That just shows you haven't read a thing; but if you prefer (what is the equivalent of) a bunch of white businessmen fumbling around on the basketball court to the NBA then that's your own business.
You'll never be a good writer if you're incapable of either reading or appreciating great writing, however. Great art is about performance, anon
Not whining

White people have already played their part. All the good white writers are dead. All the great white thinkers, are dead. Europe and America are a Black man's world now. Whites will be a minority in USA by 2045 and Europe by 2070. The time for the Black uprising is now. Whites played their role and built a beautiful Europe and now us Blacks shall come in and reap the rewards, we will take your architecture, your culture, your women and your children and you will kneel to the Black Emperor.

Ok. My book will just have all non whites and women reduced to being fodder killed by my white male protagonist. I hope
>Whatever the fuck that name is
Finds my book acceptable.

>>16354943
This.

>>16359893
White anon, don't be racist, even ironically
It's just bad form

>>16359893
>das mine now

>>16359932
When a city contains 100,000 whites one year and then 50 years later it contains 10,000 whites and 90,000 people of colour, who owns it? US. Stay mad white boy. You can't hide from the fact the white population is on a decline as all white women are now craving my African BBC and ready to produce mixed babies.

>>16359965
I'm Chinese. Go ahead and take over burgerland. It will be a lot easier to takeover just like we are doing in Africa rn.

>>16359982
>Chinese
Oh no no no. Just wait till he finds out how much Asian's living in Europe and USA crave BBC. Some of dem even more cray cray than white bitches!

>>16359990
We are in the process of perfecting genetic manipulation so our cocks will increase in both length and girth tenfold without the loss of intelligence. We da new kangz now.

>>16354928
Yes, please.

>>16354943
Heh

>>16354999
Blessed post

>>16359546
His post was obviously satire you dunce

Wokes are better at being reactionary than reactionaries. Cancelling David Hume and the enlightenment, bringing back segregation, repealing anti-discrimination laws, and abolishing the separation of church and state in order to help Muslims.

>>16359035
Asians are POC but POC don't actually matter anymore, they've been abandoned in favor of BIPOC. Which in practice just means black people because wokies don't really care about indigenous issues.

>>16359893
based

>>16356058
There was a top-down enforced cultural change after George Floyd died where Black is always capitalized, white is always lowercase, and brown can go either way.
Black - because they claim all black people have a monolithic historical experience and identity
white - because there is no global "white identity" and they don't want to enable white supremacists
brown - because being brown might be a proper cultural identity in some places but not in others

>>16354928
>tfw i don't describe my characters' physical appearances at all

I want to write a Dutch character named Little Ant who works as a full-time streamer

>>16359546
Where's the typo? It's a contraction of "you" and "are".

>>16360453
I want to write a Brazilian character named HorseFucker who moves to Europe to find his one true slavic love

>>16360453
>>16360484
For me, it's a Floridian trans-African man in love with a gorgeous Serbian youth

>>16355031
>Maybe
Anon, I...

>>16354928
ah, another privileged brahmin talking about white privilege, without fail. never saw descendants of dalit bitching about white privilege

Jews: Our minds don't work differently to yours. We're normal people... we're basically white!
Also Jews: >>16354979

ppl creating transgression after transgression is easy fertile ground for creation lol

till this soil white ppl

>>16354928
Daily reminder that Saira almost became a congresswoman in 2018 and was endorsed at the time by Andrew Yang (and more recently by Elizabeth Warren). She was that close to being another "Squad" member.

>>16360483
They forgot to write a comma
original:
>That's you're problem.
corrected:
>That's, you're problem.
corrected and expanded
>That is, you are problem(atic).
simple as

5 years ago
>WE NEED WHITE POEPLE TO REPRESENT POC IN LITERATURE
2020
>STOP WRITING POC

>>16354943
based

Wardine be cry

>>16361199
It's sort of like when they demand that locations and mascots with references to minority groups be removed. So you're fighting the predominance of white culture by...removing references to non-white people and groups?

>>16354943
Kekked.

>>16354979
>>16355021
>>16355057
>>16355075
>has a hard-on for Wagner

>>16354928
Black and brown people need to start returning to Africa and Asia en masse.

>>16361472
whitoids back to yurope, too.

>>16354979
Yes, because Jews do not experience consciousness as gentiles do. Indeed, it may well be erroneous to say that Jews experience consciousness at all.

>>16355372
Is his name Steven

>>16354928
Yeah I was already doing "that."

>>16361484
Not him but, I wouldn't mind at this point.

>>16354928
Ahh.. So we've come full circle

yo yo yo bix nood mufugga

>>16361484
Modern yuros will do a complete 180 on refugees welcome lmao

>>16354979
>Schlomo nosed his way tiredly through his apartment, a proper elder of zion, his humpback strut with a certain degree of confidence and swagger. He sat down at his desk to chip away at his diamonds, and while doing so contemplating the goyim. Why do they persecute me so? He asked before finishing his stone.

>>16355021
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>16355021
I guess I'll be the only Goy with the balls here. Yes, we are jealous. Your race is responsible for the greatest statesmen and your women are the envy of every Goy women and the desire of every Goy man. We wish to be YOU, and that why Hitler wanted to destroy you... he was a Goy who knew what too many of us refuse to know, that we can never be you. That the gap between Solomon's progeny and the cave-dweller's litter can never be closed and so like a child that has been told no he decided that what he could not have, NOBODY COULD HAVE. That event, stained us even more and made the gap between us even more evident which is why so many try to debunk it, try to unbury the innocent. All that can be left to say is this, I'm sorry, Master.

>>16364151
moshe pls. We just want you to go away, like a bad smell

>>16364175
You would disagree with Air if it wore a yarmulke.

>>16364226
I'm not even that antisemitic I just get rustled by overly smug jewery

>Write book with only white characters
>It's time to stop reading white authors who write white characters
You can literally never win with wokies, you can agree with them on 99/100 issues but they'll throw you in the trash for that one issue you don't agree with them on

>>16354979
It’s easy:
>Name: Benjamin
>Appearance: Bald
>Personality: As cooperative as a white man when with people he needs to interact with regularly; absolutely honourless to everybody else without exception

t. lived in Israel for 3 months

>>16364151
>Hitler.. a goy
Actually he was some portion Moroccan Amazigh Jew- that's what his DNA reports at any rate

>>16364243
It's not about principles. It's about power.

>>16364243
and alt right incel racists can agree with PoC on 100/100 issues but they will throw them in the trash over their skin color. ever thought about that?

>>16364415
>and alt right incel racists can agree with PoC on 100/100 issues
well no. Freedom of association and affirmative action and welfare and free speech and so on. There's a reason they don't hate koreans or japs or whatever

>>16364438
>There's a reason they don't hate koreans or japs or whatever
of course, they're weaboos

>>16364415
>alt right incel racists
back to chapo subreddit you go
Also
>racism is only skin deep
imagine believing this

>>16364454
No it's because of their overall behavior, as in crime rates and whatever

GUESS WHAT

THE AUDIENCE FOR YOUR NEO MODERNIST PROSEPOEM NOVELLA ON LOVE WAR AND METAPHYSICS IS NOT THIS DUMB TWITTER BITCH!!!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLEASE HER BECAUSE SHE WAS NEVER GOING TO READ YOU ANYWAY!!!

>>16365051
Really?
Damn.
I thought that maybe..
Oh, never mind

>>16361244
If you don't understand the validity of this, I really don't know what use there is in talking about it

>>16361055
>>16359546
2new

>>16354928
The brown lady smelled her self. "Poop", she thought. "Perfect".

>>16354928
I unironically wish White people would stop writing brown people.

Segregate the races in all things, as it should be.

>>16354928
Whites should be the only people on earth to write black and brown characters and should be forced to write them in as cartoonishly an unflattering way as possible.

>>16354943
You can reason like this but to these maniacs you are racist no matter what. They will literally, unironically have absolutely no qualms about using the "lack of representation" argument against you, RIGHT AFTER using the "you can't write PoC characters" argument; AND they know this; AND they don't care, because they don't want you to be able to do anything and want you dead.

when did non whites learn how to read and write in English?

>>16354997
IT HAS TO BE!

>>16354928
She’s going to be mad that my black and brown characters are just vessels for my own thoughts and fun with expressing them through lit.


One is a book about terrorists in Pakistan/ Afghanistan the other about a gang in South Africa turn of the 20th century a kind of South African western kek

>>16354928
Damn she’s running for Congress? These are the people that want to control shit...

>>16360484
Comedor de Cavalo

>>16354928
Why does everything for these people have to be “their story” a political emotional struggle. It’s like they’ve never heard of fiction

Why are they so angry all the time?

>>16354928
>>16354943
>>16354979
Guarenteed replies, fuck nu-/lit/.

>>16355110
>God bless the jews
Whitoid bootlicking jews as usual

>>16364151
True.

>>16354928
Or we should stop being racist like refering to people by their skin color. If she has any particular problem with any written character, than point out the writer/producer/whoever responsible and than she should state her argument why and what way it is a misrepresentation.

Nobody going to take it seriously if she's moaning like a pornstar without an actual argument.

>>16359965
Of you weren’t so brainwashed by porn you would know by now that nobody likes BBC. It’s a deformation and studies have found that almost all women prefer an average sized dick

>>16359965
>who owns it
Jews, duh.

>>16354928
Of course I fucking can't I'm not black and I'll never be, likewise niggers will never be able to be truly white. No one is going to be able to write another person like he could write himself because he is not anyone else, it is completely retarded to demand this shit because this logic concludes in only writing anything but autobiographies and no one reading them because they would not understand those works due to them not being the author. Imagine if somebody told Shakespeare that he should stop writing Hamlet because he wasn't Danish, nor a prince. The beauty of writing comes from the unique experience of the writer being made permanent and it interacting with the reader, creating and evoking common and transcendental human experiences in spite of the tremendous contextual and personal differences.

>>16354935
The prophecy has come true.

Black ppl should be cancelled desu

>>16354928
already ahead of you

>>16355244
Based

>>16354928
Woooo yeahhh babey segregation 2

>>16364151
Based

Sounds like Saira is a racist

>>16354979
leave.

>>16354928
Kind of true, fuck diversity, I want more white people in my media.

MORE WHITEY, LESS MONKEYS

>>16371482
You don’t have to read Jewish characters