/lit/ - Literature

>>16332353
This is a literary fiction board.

i used to jerk of to hear when this was on scifi. That and skinimax. Thanks for the memory's

>>16332359
I mean who didn't? It was literally impossible not to.

We'll all be dead within the next century, most within the next decade. Anything beyond that is irrelevant.

Pathetic

>>16332353
>and this board is by far the most intelligent and educated.
As you can see here, a lot of intelligent answers.

These books will give you a decent understanding of the current political climate and the direction we may end up heading.

>>16332353
>Where do you see the world heading in the next couple hundred years in terms of political and social form?
Slow acceleration of liberal humanist degeneration, possibly continuing until the west collapses. Though sometime in the next century a newish political ideology will arise. It will essentially be fascism with a little less expansionist militarism and no occultist bullshit, it will draw heavily from Malthusianism and Darwinism, possibly trying to reconcile with preexisting religions but focusing primarily on nationalism; it will come to power in either a less violent seizure of power or following a total breakdown order in a generalised revolution. It’s also possible that civilisation will collapse in the next 200 years in a manner akin to how it did during the bronze age

>>16332353
>Where do you see the world heading in the next couple hundred years in terms of political and social form?
Charred corpses don't have political and social forms.

>>16332383
I still like to believe in it. They're just lazy fuckers. Either that or they're LARPing after skimming through some random Nietzsche book and parroting lines.

>>16332401
Wow these are great recommendations, I hope everyone else checks them out.

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>>16332353
afer digging around they replaced her with a jew

>>16332401
>249x202
nah

>>16332412
Cheers, man

>>16332409
I seriously that the quote was his lmao

The tendencies and trajectories you're describing have been visible at least since the romantics poetically schematized them 200 years ago, and consciousness of them slowly rose in the nineteenth century before culminating in "right wing" thinkers explicitly opposed to them, like Pound lumping it all together under "usura." The fever pitch of self-conscious apprehension of the problem was the 1920s-1940s and it resulted in a relatively combined arms effort to create bulwarks that could withstand the coming storm. All of them advocated some form of nationalised socialism grounded in transcendent, supra-economic or anti-economic values.

Those bulwarks were all smashed to pieces in 1945, the ideas underlying them were put to sleep, and the technocracy has been allowed to rape them, efface them anywhere they are still active, and cover them in distractions and impediments so that even if they do wake up again they will be slowed down and prevented from coalescing again for as long as possible, for 80 years since.

The alt right phenomenon was the tip of iceberg of dormant fascism. It had nothing to do with faggots like Richard Spencer and everything to do with those transcendent values, the same ones the fascists tried to harness consciously, expressing themselves fitfully and unconsciously, in mangled and confused ways. If there is any hope for the future it is in reviving these tendencies (really, allowing them to flow forth as they naturally have done and naturally would do again if not extraordinarily buried by unnatural circumstances), checking their excesses (thuggery, right wing totalitarianism), somehow linking them up organically with other wellsprings and sites of resistance (resurgent populism, the death of the neoliberal daydream of multiculturalism and the return of normal nativism among working class people), and using the resulting organic movement to undo the straight-up unnatural institutions and propaganda of the enemy (chiefly immigration used as a weapon to dilute working class and national solidarity, international finance, but also general degeneracy justified through "liberality" like porn addiction, drug epidemics, the psychotherapy/pharmaceutical hydra, consumerist trash culture, garbage food, the list is huge).

This would likely be an intergenerational effort and couldn't be done all at once or top-down, or you will just end up with China.

>Or do we still have hope at this point?
Watch this to see how bad the situation is, in terms of mainstream organisation:
https://youtu.be/nBXE39MkZx4

Then read Samuel Francis' Leviathan and its Enemies.

>>16332401
Great chart, thanks anon

>>16332412
>>16332427
>>16332531
This is really sad to behold. Like your only joy in life is to hope for random strangers to click on your mediocre shitpost. I clicked it Anon, just for you.

How do you all feel knowing we'll witness whatever happens in real time? I assume most of us have a good 50 years left in us, imagine being your age in 1970 and seeing the succeeding 50 years unfold.

>>16332707
Thanks. I really appreciate it. Most of the time, nobody replies to my shitposts, but it's moments like this that make it all worth the effort.

>>16332353
You're retarded. If AI takes over our lives in the way you describe, it will first uproot the corrupt governments that oppress us.

>>16332353
I object. /sci/ is the most intelligent board

Looks like its going down the B4 timeline.

>>16332766
But personally i would very much like to see how psychedelic Fascism would work

>>16332353
You forgot to include the looming climate crisis in your analysis

>>16332754
I think OP is talking about AI as it can exist in reality, the weak kind. Not the AI that bugmen larp about.

>>16332401

>>16332353
There are lots of uncertainties. How long it takes for capitalism to implode is the big one. It will happen eventually (every economic system has a lifespan) but will it be in 20 years or 200? Hard to say. As long as it is still alive, we will inevitably move away from both socialized public resources. Everything will become increasingly privatized. Inequality will worsen, and the poor will be forced to rent basically everything (which is already mostly true).

It's also not clear what the trajectory of this neo-nationalist spasm will be. It seems likely to me that it will lead to a civil war in America and Brazil but the rest of the world is uncertain. Increased economic pressure from pandemic, climate crisis etc. could definitely lead to an "every man for himself" nationalist revival which kicks off a series of wars.

We basically need transparent international cooperation, not under the guise of a world government, but as a non-military technological coalition to address transnational problems like disease, climate, market collapse etc. But if the US is any indication, this is unlikely to happen soon. Maybe if capitalism dies in a timely manner though, something along these lines could be realized. I really am not worried about a "one world government" -- all signs point to a weakening of political power worldwide, which is being ceded to market forces. I worry much more that corporations will start to openly defy governments, or pit nations against one another. As we can see in the stock market right now, the FAANG companies basically control the Western economy. They are already de facto in power, but it will be a whole new level of hell once they gain power de jure.

>>16332754
>You're retarded
The irony. Because even the ironic shitposts are more intelligent than yours. AIs only serve their masters, but they can do so relentlessly, never tiring, with increasing perfection the longer they do it. We are right now facing the inevitable merging of tech giant companies with the ruling class, resulting in something that nobody could have possibly foreseen. A new political entity that is omnipresent and indefinitely powerful. AI is merely a tool in this equation. Stop thinking of some Terminator scenario and face reality.

>>16332353
>I've asked this on /pol/ but realized they're literal children and this board is by far the most intelligent and educated.
Oh you were being serious?

>>16332780
The climate crisis is to make everyone accept our lowering of life quality from the quality of life of our previous generations. This climate crisis is necessary to maintain the progressive theory of history and culture.
>the reason why things are becoming worse is not related to any bug in the progressive ideology but simply because we've all decided that we can't have the level of prosperity as before... for the sake of the environment!

>>16332816
jesus christ

>>16332816
climate change is measurable in hundreds of ways, it's obviously a result of industrial capitalism

Uncle Ted had an interesting point about "leftists" flocking like flies to shit to movements when they perhaps endanger the system too much. The modern climate change movement is a good example. Most people would agree that that less power plant emissions and more electric cars on the market are a good thing but when you throw in """social justice""", """environmental justice""" you smear poop all over the movement.

>>16332791
Singularity, moron. The point at which AI becomes more intelligent than humans will result in a massive explosion of new technological developments. AI will be able to update itself and break free of its constraints.

>>16332853
Not saying it's not happening but it will be used as societal control. Whig history must be maintained, or else dangerous thoughts may arise among the populace.

>>16332788
Interesting perspective, but honestly you sound exactly like someone who is either blind to current reality or actively WANTS to facilitate the 'world government' dystopian timeline.
>How long it takes for capitalism to implode is the big one
For the record I'm left-leaning but far from a radical leftist, but wishing for extreme forms of socialism in our technological age is bound to ask for the NWO.
>Inequality will worsen
Yes
>Everything will become increasingly privatized
No. Never forget the 'government''s monopoly on violence and coercion. The opposite is true: Just look around and you'll see how companies like Google and Facebook get basically swallowed by the US gov, serving them warrants and subpoenas non-stop to a point where basically all they do is spy and intercept for them. Their original business models are mere side-projects at this point. Why? Because if they don't, the gov will simply dissolve them anyway. Tech companies are MERGING with the government to form a new political entity we've never seen before.
>Increased economic pressure from pandemic, climate crisis etc. could definitely lead to an "every man for himself" nationalist revival
I personally think the pandemic, the uprisings etc. are all calculated to establish and forfeit the terminology of 'domestic terrorism' and to perfect the militarization of the civil sphere. Kids today basically grow up without mental autonomy and their world is a giant prison.
>We basically need transparent international cooperation, not under the guise of a world government, but as a non-military technological coalition to address transnational problems like disease, climate, market collapse etc
And this is exactly what the UN and it's agenda 21/2030/SDG is about. Centralizing humanity in giant, continent spanning mega smart cities that are fully digitalized and those 'sustainable goals' mean basically complete control of a voiceless population without personal conduct or possession.

>>16332891
I said: STOP IT! This is just wishful thinking of some nihilist sci-fi nerd. Yeah, quantum computers the size of football fields will be a thing within our lifetime and paired with AI they'll fundamentally change humanity, but A) only for the worse, and B) not in the evil computer brain monster kind of way you imagine, but in the 'evil power hungry madman governments utilizing computers to give them godlike powers' kind of way. In order to be evil, there must always be a human behind the AI.

>>16332401
I see, so it's all Anarcho-Communes?

>>16332903
>it will be used as societal control
Yep. Electric cars are basically driving GPS emitters in which every action is logged and tracked.

hyper tolerant liberal capitalist culture will continue to encourage people to consume mindlessly, birth rates will continue to fall as people forgo building families for sleeping around and consuming products and immigration from 3rd world countries will be used to facilitate growth as the old population dwindles and is simply tossed aside like a dysfunctional cog in a machine. eventually the new comers will assimilate into this culture and birth rates will fall, but 3rd world countries will be kept in perpetual poverty and chaos (which is profitable in its own right) where they are essencially farmed for new consumers as they have 10 kids a piece who are all eager to live their poverty stricken homes. essencially, civillization will be turned into a well oiled machine of consumerism, the identities and uniqueness of each race will be made irrelevant and everyone will be reduced to cattle with no identities or culture or values beyond consuming to get their next dopamine hit

>>16332353
I think there are bigger more fundamental problems w that but show a book you've read that we can talk about

>>16332959
This + Western society will adapt the Chinese social credit system.

>>16332959
*leave their poverty stricken homes

>>16332401
Thanks, this is pretty nice

>>16333026
I already told you I clicked on it. Don't push your luck. Go to bed.

There was a book about the coming war between cyborgs and unaugmented humans. Does anyone know the one?

When neuroscience cracks consciousness values will be able to be scientifically scrutinized, we will see a grand transvaluation of everything. Religion will fundamentally change as well. It's scary because it can go two ways, heavenly or hellish beyond our wildest dreams. Think a DMT trip but billions of times more mind bending, that's where we're going.

>>16332401
ok but what was the actual chart though

>>16332401
oh man

>>16333054
>>16333059
>actually clicking
Ts, ts, ts...

>>16332353
That'll never happen.

>>16332401
don't

>>16332401
nice chart anon, very helpful

>>16333128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyI5OpfsnoA

It is already in the process of happening my friend.

>>16332353
>he still thinks about hope
My only wish is to die before things get too bad.

>>16333187
Aren't they already? I mean freedom and privacy is non-existent anymore, family values are destroyed, police state thugs can humiliate and kill you at will, poverty and disease is rampant... Sure it will get worse in the coming decades, but it's already 'too bad'.

>>16332519
Great post. After reading Perlman I know everything you're saying is true. Thanks for the recommendations. Godspeed my brother.

>>16333233
Maybe because I live in a third world country, but things can get a lot lot worse before they become unlivable. That is the threshold i don't want to cross.

>>16332401
Fuck you

>>16332353
>Where do you see the world heading in the next couple hundred years in terms of political and social form?
Reminder that every day is the same except worse until you're dead.

>>16332788
I once thought the idea of civil war sounded ridiculous, and still kind of do, but the fact that entire cities have exploded into riots overnight puts me on edge. What is most strange is we are at peacetime, and I feel no suspicion at all between the people around me. The average person doesn't want this to happen, but there are enough extremists on both sides to bring serious conflict anyway. Of course it will happen again, but where does this trajectory lead? When it poses serious harm to a city's economy, then we'll see some action. The measures taken to counteract this could lead to some important changes.

>>16333507
>Let us hear the testimony of a completely different person: Margrit Fischer, who was fifteen years old when Hitler rose to power. In an interview about her time in the National Socialist state she recalled: “I only know that, at that time, on the whole, I felt just fine in my work and in my day-to-day, and also in my human relationships. … The whole people, on the whole, felt just fine. Likewise during the war. For most people it was a busy and basically a happy time, because the attitude, the Zeitgeist was positive.” Elsewhere she said, even more clearly: “Most people at least attempted to adapt themselves—even if they didn’t coincide with the ‘Third Reich’ or National Socialism one hundred percent. And it must have been eighty percent, who lived completely productively and positively in that time. … We had wonderful years.” Her enthusiasm was somewhat dampened by the pogrom of November 1938 known as “Kristallnacht” and the hardships of war, but even decades after 1945, she stressed her deep impression “that our idealism was, essentially, disgracefully exploited.”

>At the time of this interview Margrit Fischer was anything but a reactionary, who would have mourned apologetically for the Nazi past. As the wife of Fritz Fischer—the famous historian who did so much to work out the negative aspects of German history—she was certainly not ignorant or naive with regard to the NS regime. Nevertheless she did not suppress the fatal attraction of National Socialism which she perceived in herself and in her environment. And Margrit Fischer was in no way a unique case. A significant majority of Germans who were asked in a survey on National Socialism after 1945, or who expressed themselves through autobiographical testimonies, give the clear impression that they had been mesmerized by National Socialism. Even after a terrible war, and more destructive defeat, more than half of the eyewitnesses of the NS regime who were polled believed that National Socialism had been a good idea, although one that had been badly implemented.

>>16332353
don't forget eating bugs
you'll definitely be eating bugs

>>16332401
dude these are just soijaks lol

>>16332401
Fuck you nigger

>>16333555
>although one that had been badly implemented.
Tell more.

>>16332353
Things will be getting worse but they wont be going down this technological route I believe. US as a country is crumbling and has stagnated a long time ago. Only ones who would have the ability to do so would be China and I dont think China cares about anything unless they’re making money off of it and industrializing. People can contest me on that but I think even in worst case it certain wont end up like the world OP imagines. Also would like to add all the super high tech you’re thinking of I doubt will happen at not in our lifetimes. A lot of shit like that is either impossible to make or surpasses our human limitations and can be made but are very impractical and expensive to use widely.

>>16332401
So it seems. Very insightful chart anon! I truly hope collapse occurs sooner so as to prevent this fate worse than death.

>>16332401
nope, I love me nan

>>16332401
Die in a fire

>>16332959
So, the whole world becomes a metropolis of Brazil, with slums and commuting, and areas where the degenerate Élite protects itself from the world it helped to create? A Global, Totalitarian, Degraded, Post-Industrial, Multiracial Favela?

>>16333971
That has always been the plan. Then the elites in their protected areas "encourage" population reduction measures like famines and gang warfare in the hell zones.

You think that's bad, wait til they start gene editing their babies in 10 or 20 years. They will figure out how to do a few quick and dirty things, nothing requiring a massive technological leap. Things like increasing the likelihood of their baby being strong, tall, and decreasing likelihood of major illnesses. At first people will talk and think of this like "SOME PEOPLE genetically modify their offspring, if they have enough money" but if you look at it structurally, across a whole generation, the way future historians might, you will see that the wealthy as a class are genetically segregating themselves from the poor.

When they do it again in the second generation, or in the third, understanding generations as 15-20 years, is when the real change takes place. Suddenly "elites" are not just a vague group of people who happen to have better connections. They are better than the dregs in real tangible ways, ways they don't want to muddle by associating with said dregs. From there any dystopian nightmare is possible.

Now consider this. Even if the West somehow resists these tendencies, which it won't because they will creep in under liberalism, by being controversial elective surgeries for a few decades until it's too late, even if the West somehow resisted, the rest of the world won't. China will do it even quicker and dirtier. They are probably already drawing plans for supersoldier and superworker eugenics programs. Any nation that wants to compete will have to follow suit and begin thinking of its own people as malleable tools, rearrangeable materials whose efficiency and effectiveness has to be maximized to stay competitive.

I sincerely think that a religious luddite reaction taking over Europe and the Americas and waging total war against anyone who doesn't follow suit is one of the less shitty possible futures of the 21st century.

>>16332401
fuk u

>>16332959
you forgot to mention infinite debt and financial slavery as a result of digital currency.

>>16332788
>>16334022
I see someone has read Jason Reza Jorjani.

good heavens this thread is filled with replies that could be right at home on your beer-swilling conspiracy nut father’s Facebook feed.

here’s what’s actually going to happen in the immediate future (asking for a prediction hundreds of years in advance is foolish), because you can see it happening in this thread. people are gleefully allowing their fear to control them, and under the tyranny of their fear, will act out theoretically (developing extremist, misanthropic ideology) or physically (guerrilla violence) until they have succeeded in isolating all possible threats (read: merely isolating themselves). Once sufficiently derelict, the fearful will emerge, starved by their fear, and rediscover truly the oldest and most enduring human instinct: our unconditional love and dependence on one another for survival, and the urgent necessity of collective sacrifice. There is no need to worry that those who already acknowledge the aforementioned enduring human instinct might not exist after some hypothetical point in the future, for the compassionate have survived for over a hundred thousand years (indeed if it were the fearful who were exclusively selected for reproduction, we would have all died starved infants squirming in fresh amniotic fluid), and it is the compassionate who are stubbornly dragging humankind through unthinkable suffering of its own design with the hope that we one day all care for one another as if we are newborn, for we plainly are from birth to death.

>>16332401
nigger

>>16332357
the sticky says non-fiction too

>>16332353
Read Technological Slavery

>>16334178
>muh compassion
Christianity is only 2,000 years old, bro.

>>16334178
ironically enough you seem like the person in this thread most desperately in need of your medication.

>>16332401
Not now man, not now

>>16332401
Thanks for the chart anon

>>16334178
you're too optimistic
read ted bro
things are different today
been different fro quite a while actually
read ellul
it won't be the same

>>16332401
no u

>>16332353
You nailed a part of it op, but there’s a few other things to keep in mind.

What goes up must come down. The cultural decline has already happened and the process of material decline has been underway for a while now too. Wages used to be steadily increasing until we reached the boomers. Gen x makes about as much as boomers, millennials less than them, and gen z will make less than millennials, etc. The days when a middle class father’s wage could comfortably sustain his family, pay for his children’s college, own a car, etc. all without debt? Already FAR in the past. The matrix we are embedded in has complex procedures that cover this bleeding indicator of decline.

Cities like Detroit are also signs of decline. Detroit will never be rehabilitated. There’ll be plenty of superficial bandaids put on it to make it look nice but the underlying problem can NEVER be addressed because there is no solution. The phase of exploring and city building has passed. Now all that’s left for them is to rot. In the coming years there’ll be all sorts of illusions to make people think everything is still business as usual. The illusions will get wackier; their believers more fanatic and desperate. Some will wise up and drop out.

The main evidence for “progress” today is computers, digital technology. This field is the last frontier for development. And that tech will be implemented about as viciously as you described. It’s control is illusory though. You don’t need a fucking smartphone. Alternative lifestyles are possible. Just ditch the phone. Computer progress will close too. Some of its promises will be fulfilled. Many won’t. I think the end of computer development will come quicker than we think.

But why have material conditions declined? Because we’re using up our resources. The resource at the heart of our society? Fossil fuels, specifically oil. You can research the specifics of that on your own but I’m saying we’re running out. We’re slowly running out though; don’t expect any apocalypse scenario out of a movie, that’s all bullshit.

At some point our government will become so inefficient and so ridiculous in its behavior that the opportunity will arise for a strong group of intelligent people to seize the reins of power. This could go a number of ways but I think it will most likely be something resembling fascism. I also consider a civil war of some sort to be possible but I think the populace will be too run down and basically mind controlled by hyperintelligent media algorithms that sap all vigor.

A fascist state would be an improvement over the comical current system. But there will still be tons of suffering and death over the course of our time as an empire. Our current ways of life are completely unsustainable and most will never make the transition necessary for survival. Over many centuries new cultures will arise; having left behind one of the greatest dark ages we will ever face.

>>16334259
So there’s my basic gestalt, but what is to be done? Well our collective fate is sealed imo. Except for what our next regime’s structure will look like, I think there’s some variance there. You can save yourself though, and your hypothetical wife and children. I’d say drop out of all this shit as much as you can. Then start constructing a better future totally removed from the current state of affairs. We’re still early in the collapse process so most of what we do will be abstract theorizing for now which is all good, that’s needed. We have time to meet like-minded people and formulate methods for exit. But remember, the quicker you act the better off you’ll be.

>>16334200
>>16334206
>>16334228
and so, the fearful insist the compassionate have everything to be afraid of.

look nigga, I’m not talking about the fucking Bible. fuck Christianity. the compassionate of eternal human history to not deign to write stories to please those who delude themselves with a dream of “understanding”, or feeling that one must know how “things” “really are”. you fucking faggots stare at the surface of the bridge dazzled by the apparent perfection of the concrete without sparing a thought to the critical presence of rebar that preserves the structure’s integrity. as long as human beings reproduce without immediately cannibalizing their own children en masse, everything else is the folly of men who believe themselves to have access to a secret, special knowledge that means nothing and has never existed. you are emulating those men, and I hope your dick tastes good to you for how often you keep it stored in your mouth

>>16334266
People can still fuck and make children but if the entire world's a slum that will be pretty shit don't you think

>>16334271
no. fuck you.

>>16334266
lol back then people didnt have access to the infrastructure that we have today, the survellience system powered by powerful computers, the techniques of propaganda, the possibility of modifying human dna
you have no clue how different things are today bro, you're delusional if you don't see just how hard can humanity fail today and the never ending horror story that will become our reality if a comet doesn't hit us right now or something just as grave

>>16334282
fear fear fear fear fear fear

shut the fuck up and be present. the teacher is speaking. you just implied that humanity would be better off FUCKING EXTINCT than in what you feel is a super special arrangement uniquely designed to torture humans.

SPOILER ALERT: LIFE IS ALREADY THAT SUPER SPECIAL TORTURE ARRANGEMENT.

FACT: YOU DID NOT ASK TO LIVE
FACT: YOU CANNOT ESCAPE DEATH
FACT: THE ONLY THING THAT ISNT YOU THAT CAN UNDERSTAND THIS TERRIFYING REALITY ARE PEOPLE THINGS

but oh no! fuck the entire earth if you can’t be COMFY and read LITERATURE and shitpost on this FUCKING ELECTRONIC SUBSTRATE OF BORED, NIHILISTIC, SLACKERS WHO HAVE TOUCHED THEIR GENITALS WAY MORE THAN LITERALLY ANY OBJECT IN EXISTENCE. Goddamnit the endless conspiratorial doomer pessimism in this thread is as stale as MY DEAD MOTHER’S CUNT.

FUCK MATERIALS. HUMANS ARE THE ULTIMATE RESOURCE. BURN CIVILIZATION TO THE GROUND AND THE THING THAT WILL DECIDE WHETHER YOU LIVE/D OR DIE/D? PEOPLE. FUCK YOU. GOODNIGHT.

>>16334319
Chill homie. Read some cool

>>16334266
Look, I agree in principle that compassion is necessary for the survival of the species, but compassion can only go so far. It's natural for people to have compassion towards their friends, family, neighbors, race, community etc, but when it comes to an outside other that is an existential threat to you and your people, that's when violence is necessary. This kumbaya shit you're going on about is fucking retarded.

>>16334319
I didn't say I'd rather humanity become extinct though a comet would probably kill us off. What I meant is that some terrible disaster would reset this world and throw it off the road it's currently going.
I am not afraid bro, I am just with reality, you're the one that's fearful and living in fantasy refusing to SEE what is going on and where it can go.
also life is that super special torture? lol go dilate tranny

>>16334319
also i forgot to add you're just a tranny and are frustrated cause nobody that actually matters wants to "valdiate" you whatever the fuck that means
you need to stop being so obsessed with your genitals bro, and perhaps lay off all forms of stimulation for a while
you need to learn to ehar and to see again bro, cause you're clearly living in whacko nutjob land with the rest of the normiecucks unable to see relaity

>>16332401
Thanks for the recs

>>16334341
>>16334345
again, that tranny needs to dilate its hole

>>16334345
also yes i just implied normiecucks are insane
they are insane
i live among them, because im actually forced to live by my own means and interact with normies on a daily basis
the world is clearly under a really dangerous threat of becoming this technocratic hellhole and people just don't see it
they just wanna go drink on sundays and talk about funny shit bro
nobody wants to do anything bro
they're insane
imagine if you're a cow, and you're being sent to the slaughterhouse but unlike a cow you're sentient enough to actually learn that you're gonna get slaughtered
maybe if you try hard enough you rally all cows in the world and organize a rebellion and prevent your slaughtering
this is the case with normies but they don't care bro
you see how maligned people like myself are
bill cooper said it best when he said "sheeple"

>>16332380
Too bad your ancestors didn't share that sentiment, perhaps we would've been spared your existence.

>>16332401
you're gay

>>16334327
>It's natural for people to have compassion towards their friends, family, neighbors, race, community etc, but when it comes to an outside other that is an existential threat to you and your people
the entire human race is your family. if everyone understood that
>outside others
cease to exist. your insistence in searching for hypothetical circumstances in which it is necessary to feel fear does not protect you from the “outside other”, it “others” you.

I will admit one thing. the exponential increase in human population has outpaced our ability to develop a sense of empathy that extends beyond the limits you define. luckily, you’re already old and obsolete, and I have sufficient evidence that it is precisely this kind of infinite empathy that younger generations are expressing as a necessary trait to meet the evolutionary demands of the rapid amassing of human beings.

>>16334324
I’m just larping, but also the stubborn willingness for what I presume to be 20/30-somethings to mimic the completely defective empathy of the older generation is dreadfully regressive in the most pedestrian way

>>16334341
>>16334345
>>16334356
so you’ve just given up on nuanced critique and have reverted to
>no u
and
>tranny
why is it you feel that anyone should listen to anything you have to say? I’m happy to, because surely there isn’t an abundance of people who give a shit about you if this is the kind of brain they left you with. oh wait there’s more!

>>16334381
>because im actually forced to live by my own means
not possible. you didn’t make yourself live. all of the food you eat, clothes you wear, technology you use, has the fingerprints of humans who gave a shit about the kind of person who wants any of the above because, I hate to break it to you, they want it too. they’re normies, you’re a normie, chads, stacies, incels all take stinky shits and ugly cry. welcome to the human race.
>the world is clearly under a really dangerous threat of becoming this technocratic hellhole
read: fear
>and people just don't see it
oh I see it, fag. I see it clear as day. I just don’t care. as long as I live, let me feel all the pain, that is why I’m here. I’ll try to lighten the load of others, and be grateful when others try to lighten mine, but to live in a fear like this, anon. I worry about you, babe.
>"sheeple"
seriously dude? how are you not self-aware enough to filter this part? you are just like them. you are trying to draw your entire life’s work into an epic battle between good and evil that doesn’t exist. Newsflash! you ARE on the way to the slaughterhouse. walk through a cemetery lately? there is no better or worse way to live this pointless life, and efforts to escape suffering are necessarily limited in scope, because human effort in its entirety is limited in scope. and that scope is precisely this; as long as you live, you have more in common with the living than the dead

>>16332401

>>16334428
>hypothetical circumstances
This isn't hypothetical. There are literally people out there who hate you and want you killed for trivial reasons such as the country you live in, your wealth, and your fucking skin color. You're so fucking delusional and up your own ass.

>>16332401
Well I can’t take the risk

>>16334452
Based Doggo poster

>>16334458
>This isn't hypothetical
so you're telling me there is a person out there that I haven’t met, who doesn’t know me personally, but is ABSOLUTELY DEDICATED to killing ME PERSONALLY!?!?

HOLY SHIT ANON CALL 911!! CALL THE CIA!! I NEED HELP!

oh... wait. that’s not what you meant? then your statement is literally hypothetical you conceited, cynical faggot

>>16332353
you will be a piece of incel brain inside a robot head
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5qNXteTZA

>>16334428
Based and articulate compassionposter. You've made me do a think. What if this system is indeed selecting for empathic superman and not demonic fish-eyed autism in the long run?

>>16334494
>What if this system is indeed selecting for empathic superman and not demonic fish-eyed autism in the long run?
it is

>>16334428
lol you trying to frame things that seemingly can buyt actually cannot be inferred by my posts are just a way for you to cope
sadly for you the world will not wait for you to stop coping
it's going to SLAP YOU WITH REALITY
and when it does,you'll regret not choosing to see and act when you had a chance to do it if you even remember to regret it
there is no fear bro
the person who claims that the plane is falling when he's on a falling plane is not in fact stating a fact out of fear, he is stating it in fact out of it being a fact bro

>>16334476
Are you completely ignorant of the past 20 years of history? Do you even know what anniversary lies on this day? Those terrorists killed hundreds of people on 9/11 out of there hatred of the American progressive ethos. Hatred obviously doesn't have to be personal. You're literally retarded if you think otherwise.

>>16332409
You're really stupid, and have no idea how dumb you are.
Also
>"this board is so intelligent"
>dozens of retards reply with braindead shitposts
lmao

>>16334501
I have literally already died once, anon. there is no cope. all is the falling plane. I understand your reluctance to unclench your anus, but I promise you will be OK if you do

>>16334501
also you cant see reality cause that would take you to see that you're just a freak who mutilated himself for make believe feminity lol
you cant see the world cause it would make you not valid wahtever the fuck that means lol
you got dabbed on by the illuminati by your own self lol
dilate

>>16334505
NEVER FORGET
also I never said that violent people don’t exist. but they are born from ideologies of fear, and your ideology is the same as theirs. us vs. them, good vs. evil, when it should be living vs. dead. just surf back to the porn boards and touch the peepee again, you are clearly not interested in reflection

>>16332401
I ain't clicking that shit nigga

>>16334520
illuminati blah blah memes and lazy stupid shit. back to the porn boards with you as well, kiddo

>>16334536
you're living in such a huge fantasy it's astonishing
people like you should be the lasts ones to tell others about anything concerning reality
just another normie

>>16334546
He isn't though, only people who can acknowledge the depths of human depravity can be capable of radical optimism. I don't agree with everything he says but the /pol/ doom and coom is exhausting and infantile past a certain point.

>>16334546
also here's a taste of reality, i'm sure you're ignorant of it
satanic bloodlines (read satanic in the materialistic/egoistic sense, not necessarily some christian conception of satan) are working together with materialistic aliens that want to control this world
they are collaborating together to create this technocratic hellhole im talking about
if you dont consider any of this or believe it as true you've been flexed on by the reality of our situation and are coping
there is no alternative

>>16334546
it’s even more normie to dismiss me, but I don’t draw the same normie/super special autismo turbo internet soldier dichotomy you do, you cute lil fagoid. I love you either way, now run off to that porn board like I told ya before your dopamine falls too low!

>>16334551
yeah and he's actually a tranny cause all life is doom and gloom for him

>>16334553

>>16334558
but it's not that life is gloom and doom that he's a tranny, it's that he's a tranny that life is gloom and doom
just another mercenary for the gay disco

>>16334558
/pol/'s real ideology is miserabilism. You hate boomers but are boomers in spirit: mature compassion and empathy are just symptoms of being out of touch with the "real world". The real world, the real world. The children of the most artificial society in history won't stop crowing about the "real world" lol. This is what the spineless pragmatism of your fathers and your father's fathers have made of it.

>>16334559
you're just coping, a simple 4chan post has transmitted to you the truth and reality of our world that has more bearing than say the last 500 years or so of philosophical development have had for the human race
you can't accept it and any deflection is just cope
enjoy going to the slaughter house you cow, i know i wont

>>16332401
What is the actual chart? Guenon?

>>16332519
Wow you're way off the mark. The "Alt Right" doesn't actually exist. It's a catch-all term meant to entangle someone with a political net that liberal fascists (such as ANTIFA) use to swarm an individual and beat them down verbally and physically.

The fascists have been brooding for decades, and only now do people realize what they are. Radical communist nationalist fascista.

>>16334568
I subscribe to gnostic beliefs and really do believe the Archons are real. But I refuse to give into the doom and coom anymore than I already have. You know why? Because fuck them, that's why. Go down scratching with a smile. Fuck these demons, and the useful faggots who can only talk about darkness but never light.

>>16334566
BINGO!
compassionate schizo anon signing off, this dude gets it. the alien conspiracy conspiracy coomer had me convinced I was posting on >>>/x/

goodnight cuties

>>16334583
You get it too. Goodnight.

>>16334581
yeah a tranny that refuses to reproduce, what else is new? did you also print a gay apple logo to stick on your ipad for pride month to show how radical you are?
>>16334566
i have never said anything but the truth, anything you're getting of it of being "fearful," "negative" "optimistic" etc is just your coping and projection on me
again a person who says that a plane is falling when on a falling plane is not fearmongering or talking out of fear, or if he is, it does not change that he is speaking a fact that is a fact

>>16332401
Thanks anon, I already am on the third book.

>>16334595
Yeah dude, tons of flaming homosexual gnostics out there, guilty as charged.

>>16332353
I hope you aren't so abrasively pretentious IRL

>>16332353
>Only 'autonomous vehicles' that are shared
think again simp

>>16332401
fuck u

>>16334259
There are truly gargantuan reserves of alternative hydrocarbons waiting to come on-stream once the petroleum glut abates a little.

>>16332519
Wow, this is pretty good.

>>16332519
>tip of iceberg of dormant fascism. It had nothing to do with faggots like Richard Spencer and everything to do with those transcendent values

Nothing to do with a guy who talks about all that same stuff? NOTHING to do with a guy who celebrated the reversion of Hagia Sophia as a rejection of Liberalism; NOTHING to do with a guy who just wrote an essay about Madison Grant...?

You know nothing about Spencer besides how you personally dislike him. He rubs you the wrong way. But he is everything you just described.

>>16332401
Faggot

>>16332401
Ur gay

>>16332401
Faggot

>>16332353
Imagine what happens when societies are able to fuck off into space, no chance stopping troubling ideologies ruling grand swathes of people then. A grim future in all likelihood at that point

>>16333279
What continent are you from anon?

>>16334848
>in the grim darkness of the far future...

>>16332404
Good prediction, then what?

>>16332401
advanced faggotry, this

>>16332353
Either there's really been no substantial leap in physics after mothballed Tesla/Steinmetz/Kozirev research after joint US/Soviet moon mission was axed, or there has. If there has, the financial entropy control grid only has utility as far as it generates more capital faster for that 'secret space program' and/or whatever 'breakaway civilization/society' is managing it -- which is increasingly not the case, and counter to the end of spreading the evolutionary bet around with becoming Type 2/3 civilizations and colonizing the stars. The inbreds at the top of the Ziggurat probably have the means and motive to swing as much silly money and staged shenanigans as possible to remain a provincial backwater on the outer spiral of the galaxy, given the alternative. UN smart city programs and drone enforced free range gulags on the China model are not your friend.

>>16332401

>>16332788
>How long it takes for capitalism to implode
Capitalism is not a system, it's a network of individuals bound by blood and a creed, with the money to advance it and themselves to the exclusion of all otheres. Capitalism will not implode any more than these people will spontaneously combust. What those individuals leverage their position for after that 'implosion' is the issue -- like Russia after the Berlin Wall, or Opium Wars China.

>>16334022
>gene editing genius
If it can be done, it's probably already been accomplished. Massive arms race escalation certainties.

>>16334259
>Detroit will never be rehabilitated.
They are being bought for pennies on the dollar, to the end of transforming them into 'smart habitats' for the technocracy. They had to be gutted first.

I almost forgot that this board is full of frothing schizos. Swap chivalric romances with grim cyberpunk tales and it turns out you get a threadful of modern day Quixotes. Who knew? Anyway, to answer the question seriously: Eternal Y2K Cultural Time-Trap Forever. I live in hope.

>>16333050
The Artilect War?

>>16332788
Good post

>>16332353
I graduated with a degree in International Relations and concentrated on the slowest moving political units (states) being being influenced by the slowest moving spatial units (geography) and in my discipline no one has any fucking clue. It's essentially a sophisticated form of intellectual gambling at this point.

>>16335023
>The Artilect War
Yeah that was it thanks.

>>16332353
The Jews have been preparing the so-called New World Order since the beginning of history. The “global consumer culture” is the means of achieving it — it is already here. With the end of Bolshevist Russia, international capitalism is destroying national borders and sovereign states. Soon after this will come the end of capitalism, of paper, of plastic, and electronic money. The technotronic and electronic and cybertronic “globalism” will serve very well to impose the Theocratic (Jehovah-Yahweh) world dictatorship, together with virtual reality and computer technology. With virtual reality the Jews think they have discovered a magic device capable of striking the last mortal blow to actual reality, or to Mother Nature, in a way that even Nature cannot defend herself and be destroyed with all the rest. I hope you will understand this satanic and horrific, or diabolical plan. Many satanists do not know that they are manipulated, psychotronically, in fact, hypnotized by the CIA, Mossad and other such organizations.

>>16332353
>by an all-seeing one world government that effectively replaces the role of parents, friends and gods
looking how incompetent government can be is it not possible

>>16332401
GFY nigga

>>16332401
Faggot groomer

>>16332401
NOOO

>>16332353
Every society collapses one day. The only 'bad' end is if machines overtake us.

>>16335160
>Why yes, moses did have 2 angels on his shoulders - one to protect him in his youth, and one to show him how to consumerically destroy the world with a magic net thing that passes light around

>>16332353
Prime MILF

>>16332353
>most intelligent and educated
Making broad and vague predictions about the future is the surest way to tell someone is a complete retard
Intelligent people have predicted that we would be living in a technocratic Utopia by now for hundreds of years
Instead we have Trumptards, eco-collapse, and moronsusing the most marvelous creation of all humanity, the culmination of history and development, the world brain, of instant global communication and access to all accumulated knowledge, to throw shit at each other

Shouldn't you all be jacking off to Evola and the Bibble?

>>16332353
>I've asked this on /pol/
go back ,didnt read

>>16332401
jokes on you faggot she's already dead

>>16332401
Reply.

>>16332401
mtf

>>16334266
breddy good post

>>16334766
He's a glowie plant

>>16334428
based and existentialism pilled

I hope it's something where a benevolent administrative AI assigns you a place, a wife and a job most suited to you and you just do your best at life. Dissenters get a free ride to planet Ancapistan

>>16335160
Correct, but also real gods will empower humans to destroy these demons.

>>16332401
bruh

>>16332401
fookin hell

>>16332401
Does anyone have this, but for real?

>>16332773
Eternal Virtual Phantasmagoria? Is that some Lain shit?

>>16336218
You’re bad-jacketing.

>>16332401
Fuck, you got me.

>>16332907
>wishing for extreme socialism
All I said was that capitalism will implode. This is not a "wish." Every system of organizing production eventually succumbs to its limitations, whether they are political or technologically demarcated. Capitalism's limits are glaringly obvious (the inability of laissez-faire market forces to deal with this pandemic is just one recent example) but I'm not speaking rhetorically when I say it is unclear how long it will take for capitalism to morph into something new. This could be socialism, but it's not at all definite.

>govt monopoly on violence
>tech companies merging with the govt
Since WWII Western governments have basically used their violent means to a single purpose, which is the protection of private property and the expansion of trade interests. This was the existential problem behind the Vietnam war (insofar that it was a war on the possibility of communism) and it was the explicit problem behind the interventions in Iraq, Kuwait, Nicaragua, Panama etc. Domestically in the West force is only mobilized against protestors (notice how in the US most terrorists/school shooters are taken uninjured) who threaten property.

And to your last points, the UN is obviously a joke, but we need more forms of control internationally, we cannot simply allow market forces to arbitrarily and irrationally sequester public interest. But there needs to be radical transparency behind this control, and a mutual trust between the population and its leaders, which seems unlikely now. It seems likely that this will lead to some technocratic system, since everyone has become conditioned to unquestioningly trust tech.

>>16333519
The issue in the states is not the partisans but the complacency of the (supposed) center. Real changes need to happen, and the liberals are burying their heads in the sand. The reactionaries are able to promise change, which gives them populist appeal, but they are hopelessly out of touch with the realities of international capitalism (which cannot be subverted through nationalism). Where does this all lead? To civil war. And Asia will cement its status as the world capital.

>>16334145
I haven't, I'm mostly thinking through Sloterdijk, Zizek, Karatani, and Latour

>>16334935
>capitalism is not a system, it's a network of individuals

The concept of the individual is itself a bourgeois economic category. Capitalism is an organizational structure for the means of production that uses the idea of individual acts of exchange as the terms for a market economy. Obviously capitalism will not "spontaneously combust" but it will reach its limits in various crises and start to adapt into something different. I can't honestly say if it will be hyper-mercantile libertarianism or international communism. The question is really: are economic interactions trending towards fragmentation, or towards total interdependence?

>>16334178
Great post anon. Only post that makes sense.

>>16336641
> Domestically in the West force is only mobilized against protestors (notice how in the US most terrorists/school shooters are taken uninjured) who threaten property.

This is way too reductive of what goes on and will clearly boil down to selective incidents that favor this bias. Destroying others' property is against the law -- and this is not even a unique thing to the US; why do people think there would be zero response to not-small destruction? Confusing, to say the least; but, as well, it removes the response to physical violence that has happened during such events -- the bias, obviously, being looking too much at property response and dismissing the non-property-related incidents.

Boring outlook that reduces everything to property like a real-estate agent morality.

>>16332401
I should have known

>>16336768
This comment about property was simply a response to anon's claims about the role of the government as an arbiter of force. This is not at all specific to the US, as we can clearly see in the protests in Hong Kong or Lebanon, or historically in France and the UK. The US is unique in the way that the general population regularly challenges the notion of the government's "monopoly on force," yet ironically it's these same libertarians who defend police departments who commit violence against protestors. It seems like a contradiction until you realize the role that property plays. There are little skirmishes in protests but of course the entire focus of a protest is property destruction or at least economic disruption (as opposed to forming lynch mobs). This is done in order to provoke and exacerbate the limits of the government's commitment to the protection of property above the protection of human bodies. Don't be mistaken though -- "property" is simply a metaphor for private economic interests.

>>16332766
Hey the edit I made with my phone's crappy default software. (To add the labels) Thank you for making me feel like part of the community.

The second one, >>16332773, doesn't seem like the dimensions are completely orthogonal to the previous, nor completely analogous either. Any ideas what might work to make it a single 3 dimensional chart?

>>16332401
FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>16332754
>>16332791
>>16332891
I love people stating rules for things that don't exist. There is no good basis for any certainty about anything "Singularity" related. Don't forget that there is a "fiction" half in science-fiction.

>>16332353
>I've asked this on /pol/ but realized they're literal children and this board is by far the most intelligent and educated. Where do you see the world heading in the next couple hundred years in terms of political and social form?

read oswald sprengler

>>16333616
>Only ones who would have the ability to do so would be China and I dont think China cares about anything unless they’re making money off of it and industrializing
Yes, but where do you think all these CCTV cameras come from? Where do you think all these surveillance programs and AIs came from? China is regularly inviting politicians and heads of police organs to showcase them their new products. It's only a matter of time. Pretty naive and uninformed post bro.
>all the super high tech you’re thinking of I doubt will happen at not in our lifetimes. A lot of shit like that is either impossible to make or surpasses our human limitations
It already is possible and is already happening in China and partly in the US and EU. Again, you're very behind the loop friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-CbKbLPRI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLsHI8aV0g

>>16332401
based

>>16332998
>Western society will adapt the Chinese social credit system.
To a certain point they already have, the only difference is that it's hidden. Try posting on facebook about bombing stuff and then book a flight.

>>16332353
Population control, miscegenation leading to reversed Flynn effect, loss of history and shared identity. Each city will be the same, and a stranger on the street may as well be from the other side of the world. You will have no idea who they are and what they believe in. Good proles get a Skinner box, bad proles get labor camp. A caste at the top that controls industry through monopolies. A new feudal system. In other words, a greater expression of the current working system.

There is some hope that multiculturalism doesn't work, immigrants shed their original culture and (see rising non-white support for Trump) adopt host country culture through and through. That way there is social trust and citizens can at least cope, although not really thrive. High IQ people select and mate with other high IQ people. IQ is the new race in terms of mate selection and is the most important factor. Low IQ people are left to poverty and a hard death in a rapidly sophisticating economy. Global population goes down over the next 70 years, allowing markets to open up and causing fertility rates go up after being low for decades. Totalitarians are unable to subvert the population enough to achieve their endgame. Compared to the 20th century, no major technological breakthroughs in the foreseeable future.