/lit/ - Literature

Check out Fabre d'Olivet

>>16330527
What you're looking for is called Kaballah. Start with the Zohar and work your way up to The Book of Creation.

Pretty much all of them do.

>God SPOKE and there was light.

Not a whole book, but a fun little Wikipedia article on a Roman magic square.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sator_Square

>>16330527
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>>16330612
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>>16330527
Steiner said that words actually had an impact in the spiritual world

Kabbalah as a whole, hermeticism, thelema, Kenneth grant in particular (see outer gates)

>>16330527

Can we also just generally discuss this concept? I’ve been thinking of it a lot lately, especially when considering how math and language are possibly derived from the same primordial source. Both language and math involve plugging in symbols to produce specific outcomes, and I do believe a quality similar to mathematics underlines the whole of the universe.

>>16330527
Start with the Sumerians and end with the Egyptians

>>16330527
Language is already magic. You can put thoughts into other people's minds and alter their will. What we have today is merely a degraded form of whatever pre-literary language existed that had perhaps belonged to powerful suprahuman elite.

Burroughs

>>16331593
I asked for authors, not your shitty take on it. Why do you always instantly jump at giving your worthless opinion as if you had any interesting to say?

>>16331762

Geeze, a bit harsh huh mate? He was just excited about the topic.

>>16331762
I'm an author so esoteric that you've never heard of me

>>16331785
The whole topic is going to be speculatory anyway. It's up to you to do your own mashup of semiotics and idealism to get to magical linguistics

bump

>>16330527

Robert Graves said that poetry was a sort of invocation of an ancient goddess. I'm not sure how literally he believed it. Take a look at The White Goddess. It's fairly bonkers.

ye.. it's amazing what u can do with 26 letters

OP here, and I really appreciate all the suggestions
>>16331505
The way I see it; language defines, albeit loosely, our reality and shapes it into something that could be universally understood. Meanwhile, mathematics serves as a way to give power to that language through the method of measurement, assigning values. This adds strength to the validity of reality

>>16331593
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss contemporary adjustments to language, because as long as it's still understood it can still have power. We can refer to what language used to be as "classic" or "old" magic

>>16331839
Speculation is expected for a topic so, vague? What I'd like to do is remove the strangeness of this concept and bring it more into the light. Perhaps even translate it to a normie... But I'm getting ahead of myself

>>16332999
Also another thought... The fact that we "spell" words, words that are the basis of magic. These words need to be given shape through a "grimoire" which is essentially the word for grammer. And thus, we can influence and shape others realities of we just choose the correct things to say...

>>16333015
Well what is actually being shaped by supposed magic? Is it some sort of Platonic Idea becoming object for the subject, through representation as phenomena, appearing to manifest as called forth by speech? For there to be plausible magic one needs a framework to deny the presumed reality of the conventional world of appearances. Otherwise magic becomes the ex nihilo parlour tricks of a performer.

>>16333346
I think we need to define the idea of magic. For the purposes of this discussion let's say magic in it's basic form is the transfer of transmuting one thing to another. Since we're specifically talking about an abstract concept, let's say that magic can be defined as a a transference of (defined and understood) consciousness to another person

There's no conjuring of objects or transfer of something abstract to material. It's more simply like, language influencing the reality of the subject, all in their own mind

>>16330527
Look up Burroughs. He described language as a parasite from outer space.

>>16333614
Damn, I'll have what he had

>>16333582
Why I'm using the popular trope of magic is simply because there's a lot of similarities to say... Ideas you would find in a video game, movie, or fantasy themed book.

Language is the source of magic, but it was only after we defined them with symbols (words) that they begin to illustrate images/symbols into the readers thoughts.

Thus, people who learned how to use magic rule over others, be it a kingdom, empire, commune, or army.

>>16330548
I learned about d'Olivet via Benjamin Whorf who was very taken with him in his younger years

I also recommend Northrop Frye's project, based on Vico's historiosophy of language. It's not quite what OP wants but it is an attempt to view the history of culture language and thought as structured by underlying symbolic complexes.