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What books should I read to understand anarchism that is not poisoned by marxist schizos?

>> No.16319504

>>16319460
They are losers so don’t bother

>> No.16319523

>>16319460
Art and Revolution

- Richard Wagner

>> No.16319524

>>16319504
Nothing wrong with reading losers

>> No.16319529
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>Enquiry Concerning Political Justice - Godwin
>What is Property? - Proudhon
>The Ego and It's Own - Stirner
>God and the State - Bakunin
>Statism and Anarchy - Bakunin

>> No.16319537

>>16319460
Malatesta in general

>> No.16319545
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Spooner - No treason
Bastiat - The law
Stirner - The unique and its property
Rothbard - Anatomy of the state
Molinari - Production of security
Nozick - Anarchy, state and utopia
Nock - Our enemy, the state
Huemer- The problem of political authority
Rockwell - Against the state
Rothbard - Ethics of liberty
Hoppe - Economics and ethics of private property; Democracy: the god that failed; The myth of national defense
Rothbard - Man, Economy and State and The Power of Market
Rockwell - The left, right and the state
Caplan - The myth of the rational voter
Boetie - politics of obedience
Konkin - An agorist primer

>> No.16319546

Anarchism resists definition. It is a vague label broadly applied to left and anti authoritarian movements. Social planners and ancoms like Bakunin end up hanging themselves in self contradiction, dictatorships of the proletariat and post-government communal hierarchies. On the other end you have laissez-faire and Stirnerite anarchists who truly reject all social order and replace it with natural hierarchies of domination and power. Absurd. The label houses Marxist utopians, Rossuean idealists, Chomskyan moderates, Nietzschean and Libertarian psychopaths, and all manner of dreamers, criminals and nihilists in between.

>> No.16319564

>>16319529
Based

>> No.16319616

>>16319460
ISAIF

>> No.16319689

>>16319460
the best writing, meaning the most practical guide you will find is the constitution of the US even the "right for to bear arms" is based on an A-archist ideal of self governance/defence.

anarchist and communism can never be correlated because communism always points towards a central state while the US constitutions belives in the individuals and self governance. now heres the kicker for this to work like it did in the US (not anymore):

>"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."


the constitution of the US is a really good filter because the people that don't understand will sream, shout and seethe about it meanwhile the people that actually know a little will conside that theres is substantiation, the founders of the US were basically scaping the european monarchy or central governments even the protestant doctrine is based on not having to deal with the roman monarch (the pope) but notice that the spiritual monarch was still there and nessesary for all this to work

>> No.16319782

>>16319689
No one cares about the US you dumb fuck. When people talk about 'books' they're talking about European writers

>> No.16320009

>>16319782
well you proved my point kid
BTW I'm not even a burger

>> No.16320064

>>16319460
This dude is an alcoholic idiot.

Chomsky is a demagogic crab, everyone knows how the world works, ever been hungry or cold, huh?

We need fucking justice, true justice, and that cannot be done without spirituality.

No drugs. So ppl could work properly and not get sick. Coffee, tea, herbs, honey, smokes, spices, pepper are haram.
No amoral shit. (killing, camwhoring, cheating, stealing etc)
Lots of work. (suffering for enlightenment)
Lots of sex, with whom it belongs. (no amoral prostitution.)

Then rules will come by themselves.

>> No.16320079

Marx, who said himself that he is not a marxist
Debord, who said himself that he has nothing to do with marxism
Industrial Society and its Future
Anti-tech revolution
Technological slavery

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>>16319460
This

Not this >>16319545

>>16319504
They have lost thus far. Notice how all is lost.

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But of course, James Herod here builds strategy off of Bakunin’s theory. So this little book is indispensable.

The DNC and RNC are responsible for the fucked response to the virus, and clearly responsible for the wealth redistribution that will send us into a depression. Stop fighting in the street, it’s only entertainment for the rich, instead start to organize your communities.

>> No.16320623

OP, remember that all name and tripfags are either mentally challenged or bots

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>>16320623
Or anarchists.
Try it in another thread, kid.

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Economics we must bring about.
Have a nice day.

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>>16319460
post left anarchism, bob black, jason mcquinn, john zezran, anarchy a journal of desire armed

>> No.16320937

days of war, nights of love by the crimethinc ex-worker's collective is pretty fun. definitely a real time capsule from anti-WTO era

>> No.16321781 [DELETED] 

>>16320493
Have you got a pdf of this one? It's not on libgen.

>> No.16321986

>>16319460
If you're interested in "true" anarchy, read Stirner's the Ego and its Own. If you're interested in top-down constructions of "anarchy", read Proudhon. I'd read the latter first since Stirner tends to sit a little at odds with most other anarchist thought, but by all means start with him if you don't care for adopting anarchism as your ideology of choice, or already find egoism to be an untenable line of thought and just want to see what he's up to.

>> No.16322193

>>16319545
>anarchism

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>>16319545
Capitalcucks are not anarchists, asshat.

>Caplan - The myth of the rational voter
Ah yes, the brilliant author of pic related.

>> No.16322335

>>16319460
+ "Anarchism: From Theory to Practice" by Daniel Guérin
+ "Anarcho-Syndicalism" by Rudolf Rocker

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>OP doesnt want commie shit
>Commies seething itt

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>>16321986
>Stirner

>> No.16323961

>>16320632
is this the lore behind your trip? it’s there so you can identify yourself among fellow anarchists?

>> No.16323965

Anarchism is the most fucking bourgeoisie ideology I can think of. Holy shit

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>>16323965
>so low iq doesn't even understand anarchism

>> No.16323999

>>16319545
Other than Spooner & Stirner, don't listen to this nonsense

>>16319460
Read proudhon, Iain McKay's anthology is good.
God & the State, Statism & Anarchy- Mikhail Bakunin
Conquest of Bread, Mutual Aid- Pytor Kropotkin
Instead of a Book by a Man Too Busy to Write One- Benjamin Tucker
The Unique and It's Property- Max Stirner

>> No.16324037

>>16323999
based and checked

>> No.16324090

There is no perfect political system sadly. So long as humans are political, the systems in place will continue to change and they will never solve our problems. Whether it is democracy, monarchy, or anarchism is irrelevant in regards to how successful it is. The flaw in each system is the human, not the system itself. This means any of these systems can be successful or fail, it depends on the culture at the time.

>> No.16324149

I know Chomsky used to label himself (or still does) as an anarchist and he gives a solid definition. He stated that no one in an anarchist state will ever try to be evil by default, because we all want the best for the country.
You may be inclined to say this is naive but the only “terrors” that have happened, happened during soviet times or after some sort of revolution had broken out and now the people that caused just do what they want, e.g. The French Revolution/ reign of terror.
After the fall of the Roman Empire people, nothing that resembles anarchy in your normie sense of the word happened.
Remember that if you are reading something that you bought at a popular store or is accepted, has been kiked.

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>>16322230
Capitalism and anarchy are synonyms.
Anarchy: A-narkos : means no rulers
Markets are rulerless decentralised processes

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>> No.16324254

>>16324219
Nick we both know that the government inhibits the process. Think about how subsidies, boarders etc. artificially inhibit or excite flows. We have rulers that interfere with the process and you know it.

>> No.16324264

>>16324254
Yes, the current phase of mankind is statism. Your point being?

>> No.16324304

>>16324219
Markets are useless without government-enforced property rights.

>> No.16324312

>>16324149
>He stated that no one in an anarchist state will ever try to be evil by default, because we all want the best for the country.
It is literally impossible to align all incentives of everyone in a human society, way too much zero-sum.

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>>16319460
The best I've read so far on anarchism.

>> No.16325487

>>16323961
At first is was so I could identify myself among a gaggle of anonymous. The result felt freeing in an odd way. I held myself accountable for my posts. I wasn’t trolling or as salacious. That freedom anonymous gets ultimately traps him is a crappier version of himself. Face to face interactions are even better. Always a tradeoff I admit, but being anonymous wasn’t a fun experience. Even when I was earning “internets” (praise) for my posts.
As embarrassing as it is to make a mistake and make amends for it, it’s good for you.

>>16323965
You don’t know what these terms mean
>>16324264
You cannot decouple state from capital. For anarchism to happen we have to end capitalism and accumulative currency

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>>16324219
Based. Capitalism is the fullest expression of Anarchism, and Anarchism is the fullest expression of Capitalism.

>> No.16325967

>>16325947
Except for the whole incompatibility of the ideals. You cannot decouple state from capital. The end.

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>>16325967
>source: a tranny
You babyrapers are finished, ancapistan is inevitable

>> No.16326071

>>16325980
It is a logical fallacy. Go ahead think it through, or ask me, whichever.

>> No.16326264

Rogers rules of borders
the mao ding ding
the charmers alderaac

>> No.16326727

>>16319460
https://anarchopac.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/recommended-reading/

>> No.16326732

>>16325947
Anarchism used in ancom is entirely different compared to leftist anarchism which is more about eliminating exploitation, domination, alienation.

>> No.16326741

>>16326732
>ancom
*ancap

>> No.16326870

>>16324304
https://youtu.be/vSrf9j2pvmU?t=60

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>>16326732
Yes and on the other hand ancapism is against aggression, violence and coercion and recognizes that the state is fundamentally built upon such evils, it also recognizes that the most powerful tool of the statist rulling elite to exploit, extort and aggress upon the underclass is egalitarianism and this is why ancapism fiercly opposes all such sentiments of social equality. It's also why I am recommending it to OP since he wanted
>anarchism that is not poisoned by marxist schizos
And considering that almost all anarchists after Bakunin other than some individualists and the ancaps are heavily influenced by Marx and accept a lot of his ideas, I think OP might be interested

>> No.16326906

>>16320458
>no gods
>no masters except the ones we collectively ahierarchically elect to limit your actions to those approved by the party morality

>> No.16326925

>>16326897
Wtf? Capitalism is inherently exploitative and coercive, and it relies on state violence to sustain itself.

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>>16326925
[citation needed]

>> No.16326942

The Eclogues by Theocritus

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>>16326925
>pribate proberdy is dheft, guys

>> No.16327334

>>16325947
>>16324219
this is true

>> No.16327432

The Conquest of Bread
The Ego and its Own
Man, Economy, and State

You can pretty much ignore every other suggestion in this thread. Proudhon and Thoreau are worth reading at some point, but I wouldn't consider them required reading.

>> No.16328162

>>16326906
Naw. That’s representative democracy, Bookchin isn’t mentioned in that book.
We’re more about direct democracy. You don’t like it, don’t participate, go live innawoods

>>16326935
Check anybody who studies capitalism.
>>16327334
It is not
https://youtu.be/YMdIgGOYKhs

>> No.16328245

>>16328162
that's literally the capitalist argument you braindead cunt
>you don't like wage labor? sad, that's how society works though. go live in the woods instead

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What part of
>anarchism that is not poisoned by marxist schizos
did you schizo faggot trannies not understand?

>> No.16329584

>>16326870
Idiotic beyond words.

>> No.16329601

>>16328654
^ clueless retard

>> No.16330817

>>16320079
>read uncle Ted expecting ecofascist larp
>he's a maoist-bolshevik marxist

>> No.16330849

>>16326935
>work or die is voluntaristic!!

>> No.16330863

>>16328654
Liberalism and Anarcho-Capitalism are the same thing. You're just at the bottom of the McFoodchain