/lit/ - Literature

>>16317407
That god is the fake and gay god.

>>16317407
Probably trying to channel sexual frustration into some type of work. Also, prevents out of wedlocks.

>>16317421
You compare abrahamic prudishness against the greek religlion which praise human beauty. It really is such a strong dicotomy you wonder what happened.

>>16317442
>eating your children and raping at random praises human beauty

You wonder why God warns his people against the evil machinations of hoes and thots? It's because he loves you and wants you to be happy.

>>16317442
Yet one remains, and the other is dead.

>>16317407
Because it was compiled by, and for, incels.

>>16317442
People converted to Christianity because the notion of a God that loved them and would make self sacrifice for them instead of being a callous and fickle rapist bkew their mind.

>>16317407
Because sexually transmitted diseases can be disastrous.

>>16317407

Because ooga booga muh dick doesn't build societies.

>>16317450
The Greek pantheon and it's other forms existed way longer than Christianity.

>>16317455
It's a comforting, stabilizing religion. The Greek gods abused humans for fun and envied their fleeting moments of happiness.

>>16317407
It doesn’t

>>16317469
Truth is often a process of refinement

>>16317468
Rome had a strong warrior culture and lasted for centuries.

>>16317469
If you count the various forms then it's not even really a Greek pantheon, but a shifting mediterranean pantheon with Egyptian, Middle Eastern and especially Anatolian influences.

>The Greek pantheon

>>16317480
Rome is more remarkable for its civic and political than for its warrior culture though. And like the Hebrews of the Bible they had marital laws, proscription and adultery, philosophies that frowned on carnal indulgence, etc.

>>16317482
Regardless, the concept has been in existance way longer than the Abrahamic religions. At this rate, there's no sure way to know which will beat the other.

>>16317450
>the religion of human beauty is dead
Get a load of this uncultured swine. Even in our highly technological world, what we admire the most in our art is humanity and its successful integration of its environment, for the pleasure of its continuous expression, more than anything else.

>>16317488
It's not as much a concept as a lore and a set of practice. The practice have mostly died out in its former area of influence and the lore has now become part of a reified classical culture that educated people study for fun. It is entirely cut from its root.

You might as well argue that Sumerian has been a scholarly language for longer than Greek and that it should therefore considered as still relevant among educated people.

Because rape

>>16317407
Does it? Cite the verses

because Christianity is quite heavily influenced by greek stoic philosophy. self mastery is the way to live a good like and being a weak willed degenerate is the way to turn your life into hell

>>16317407
The continence cult and Paul's influence.

89:3.6.It was only natural that the cult of renunciation and humiliation should have paid attention to sexual gratification. The continence cult originated as a ritual among soldiers prior to engaging in battle; in later days it became the practice of "saints." This cult tolerated marriage only as an evil lesser than fornication. Many of the world's great religions have been adversely influenced by this ancient cult, but none more markedly than Christianity. The Apostle Paul was a devotee of this cult, and his personal views are reflected in the teachings which he fastened onto Christian theology: "It is good for a man not to touch a woman." "I would that all men were even as I myself." "I say, therefore, to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them to abide even as I." Paul well knew that such teachings were not a part of Jesus' gospel, and his acknowledgment of this is illustrated by his statement, "I speak this by permission and not by commandment." But this cult led Paul to look down upon women. And the pity of it all is that his personal opinions have long influenced the teachings of a great world religion. If the advice of the tentmaker-teacher were to be literally and universally obeyed, then would the human race come to a sudden and inglorious end. Furthermore, the involvement of a religion with the ancient continence cult leads directly to a war against marriage and the home, society's veritable foundation and the basic institution of human progress. And it is not to be wondered at that all such beliefs fostered the formation of celibate priesthoods in the many religions of various peoples.

89:3.7.Someday man should learn how to enjoy liberty without license, nourishment without gluttony, and pleasure without debauchery. Self-control is a better human policy of behavior regulation than is extreme self-denial. Nor did Jesus ever teach these unreasonable views to his followers.

>>16317407
Legit thought that webm was gonna reveal a guy pretending to be a lady. God this place fucks with your head.

>>16317407
becaue the religion is for poor incels with low IQs that can't have sex so it helps them cope.

With the
>i don't want to have sex anyway! god says its a no no!

Because the death drives need for pure repetition leads to a disastrous cycle for the cybernetic civilian. An emphasis on love and sacrifice creates a loop that makes generational competence within the stages of life. These values apply to the adult child/relationship, and all other kinds of combinations. Compared to other kinds of values, such as rape and revenge and torture and punishment and genocide, that work against all. Even if Christianity doesn’t survive, whatever takes its place will have to be more and not less Christian. Islam for example.

>>16317407
We just had a thread about this; it's because love is much better than lust. God doesn't want us to live without love.

>>16317469
>Greek pantheon
Refuted by Platon (pbuh) and Socrātes (pbuh). As also were sex acts which were impelled by a slavery to pleasure. You are never, ever , ever going to make it.

Imagine creating something after your own image and instead of building, creating, exploring and acting as god, he chooses to waste his entire existence at a level lower than an animal and more pathetic than a heroin addict. There isnt anything that grieved God more than sexual sins. This is why regretted having made man and sent the universal deluge.

>>16317679

>>16317679
>he chooses to waste his entire existence at a level lower than an animal

And here he is folks. “Coomer” is tradcath. One in the same.
Fucking ridiculous schizo rant, but it does show the actual idiocy of the churchly stance. Your god is responsible for giving you these bodies *meant* for procreation. Just like all the animals. And you trust old withered prudes idea of sin. Now look at you.
Hiding away from women and sex starved, you blame them for your cowardice. You have no god. You are to blame for your sorry state.

>>16317767
This is why God regretted making his creation and wanted to just end it all in Genesis 6.

>>16317679
>>16317767
Per Paradise Lost, Adam pleaded with God for Him to create man a companion.

>>16317407
There are two and, as I see it, exactly two arguments against sex and sexual thoughts.
1) The existence of sexual abuse, in which the body is physically abused and the soul is emotionally humiliated, is facilitated by the existence of sexual desire. If there was no sex, there would be no sex slaves, and sexual slavery has been a facet of life for most of history and is a fairly large aspect of life even now. Suppose people were born immortal and without genitalia. I think you would instantly see an enormous amount of injustice disappear. No one sees the need to manipulate or show-up others for the sake of sexual desire, sexual slavery disappears, incels disappear thank God. Even more, the desire to enter relationships for sex, which leads to so much emotional suffering and confusion, would disappear. This is an enormous boon.

2) The artistry of the human body is imperceptible if you are a sexual being. Look at >>16317469. Ignore how attractive this woman is. There is simply an incredible aesthetic beauty to her body. The curves are art, and the pieces of the human body fit together in a way that is utterly sublime and that is not a word I use for many things. It is almost unappreciably beautiful how incredible the human body is. And platonic emotional and physical intimacy has a similar level of beauty. All these things have a kind of invisible wall from the existence of sex, in which sexual desire interrupts the appreciation of the beauty or the engagement in non-sexual intimacy like a kind of continuous white noise in the background.

>>16317476
Only correct answer. The ancient Israelite tradition was a fertility religion that was all about dicking down as many females as you could, and having as many babies as humanly possible.

>>16317770
Then he would have made everything immortal and not need to fuck. AND HERE WE ALL ARE

>>16317775
Again. What the fuck kind of father figure is this? The WORST. Irresponsible, murderous, prudish like all hell.

His murdering Jesus on a cross (or committing a fake suicide) does not make god a nice guy. That’s absurd.

The whole thing is ABSURD on a million different levels. STOP TRYING TO BELIEVE IN IT

>>16317779
Pseud answer that validates morality externally. Real answer is that it distracts and takes away from yourself.

>>16317575
>Call Christianity incel ideology
>First thing God says to humanity is "be fruitful and multiply
Next time you take a bath do us all a favor and bring a toaster with you.

>>16317847
>the holy book feels the need to tell people to have sex
It was made for incels.

>>16317407
abstaining from (premarital) sex and sexual thoughts will make you much happier than being a (man)whore will. hedonism doesn't lead to happiness

>>16317442
*dichotomy
If you’re gonna defend it do it right faggot.
Have some self respect and proof read what you type

Why would a spiritual being want it's creation to obsess over grossly material? It wouldn't, it shows you are a weak man to wan't to stick your ding dong in a clump of flesh purely out of pleasure.

>>16317407
I would never allow her to fix my car. She looks like an incredibly incompetent mechanic. Like she can sit on my face for hours if she wants to and even rub my buttly orifice with her tools but I'd bitchslap her if she ever tried to touch my Dodge Grand Caravan 1999 engine with this wrench.

>>16317728
I want to FUCK that anatomic diagram.

>>16317407
Read the bible. It really really REALLY doesn't, that's just the personal obsession of certain classes of mostly American puritan zealots. They CANNOT stop thinking about other men's dicks. 24 hours a day, all that's on their mind is dick, and they project that onto their god. Fap fuck dick fap dick cum fap fuck, that's all they think about. No surprise they're constantly getting caught fucking men or sucking dick.

>>16317407
It doesn't. God is concerned for your soul because you are both a spiritual and material being. You're fixated on sex because you're a rabbit.

>>16317442
You really made the christcucks seethe.
The only people who can't appreciate human beauty are ugly incels.

>>16317407
Being abstinent from sex and sexual thoughts isn't the same as being in control of them.
The former is an incel cope.

>>16317435
based zeus poster

>>16317407
Same reason why even some non religious people care. Seething incels who want others to be just as miserable.

>>16318258
based

>>16317407
The Bible teaches abstinence outside of marriage only. In marriage, you can fuck your wife every day and God will always approve of it.

>>16317407
You forget to correct for the difference between modern society and patriarchal society. What they took for granted at the time isn't mentioned in the Bible.

A man had a lawful wife, and, therefore, had someone to have sex with. If he had sex with other women, it was ether an adultery, or just rape. Most of the talk about lust, temptation, and tearing eyes out presupposes that someone is going to make use of other person because of their desire to fuck. That doesn't intend to make everyone a monk, or to say that common folk are some second-class believers and sinful people because they make kids.

>>16317446
>at random

>>16317407
>Why does the bible focus so much on abstinence from sex and sexual thoughts?
> "so much"
Post even one passage, I dare you, you dumb NPC.

>>16319691
>It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
Some concessions about only fucking in marriage.
>6But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.

8But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

He says three times in the same letter that the best thing is to be celibate.

>>16317469
Dude stop posting coomer tier pictures, I agree with your argument but it's making me want to be a christcuck cause I don't want to be associated with coomers.

>>16317407
The bitch looks extremely uncomfortable and out of place.

Reminds me of a lulzy video I once saw where a prankster orders whores and then asks them to play chess with him.

>>16319741
No, he says that it's okay to be celibate. The passage comes right after his commandment that denying your spouse sex is a grave sin.

It seems to be just Paul that hated sex.
The OT is full of God allowing people to have sex.
Be fruitful and multiply my guy.

>>16317407
>God tells you not to be a simp
>OP: "WTF???? WHY???"

>>16319781
he says it's better to be celibate

>>16317798
>The whole thing is ABSURD on a million different levels. STOP TRYING TO BELIEVE IN IT
I would if you’re weren’t such a redditer

>>16319781
>BUT I SAY THIS AS A CONCESSION, NOT AS A COMMANDMENT. For I wish that all men were even as I myself.
>literally says getting married and fucking your wife is a mercy from God because he knows most you can't keep it in, but the best path is celibacy.

Are you illiterate?

>>16317442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs seethe

>>16319918
A mere allegory of the church and christ.
*sweating church fathers bordering on Origen's heresy*

>>16318258
the only high IQ post in this thread so far

>>16317442
You had an elite class who could workout and eat a special diet jerking each other off about beauty and 95% of people eating gruel with shitty skinnyfat trying not to die.
I wonder what happened...

>>16320916
>with shitty skinnyfat trying
with shitty skinny fat bodies trying...

>>16319781
Augustine said nothing brings the mind down from its lofty heights as the fondling of women. He's right.

>>16319945
>>16319905
gnosticism is better

>>16319905
> Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command.
"Not a command" refers to his suggestion that you have sex every day. I.e., you're supposed to have sex, but don't go so far as to force your wife.

> Are you illiterate?
Are you?

>>16317407
Beside its imperative purpose as a means for aristogenic reproduction, sex, even without lust as its chaotizing force, is a spiritually depressing activity which also negatively feeds the imaginal self, thusly exhausting the Soul, and vitiating one's vitality; sex was introduced by the Demiourgos, Ialdabaoth, as a means for perpetuating the kosmic cycle.

>>16320916
Imagine thinking christfaggotry changed that.

>>16317775
So Christianity holds that while men are made in the image of God women are NOT? Has this ever been cited as a reason for why women were largely treated as less-than-human babymakers?

>>16317464
STDs are literally a non-issue.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/8/28/21405600/university-of-utah-scientists-develop-drug-that-could-prevent-treat-hiv-aids

>>16321343
paradise lost is a fucking fiction book

>>16321343
Christians believe that men and women are both created in the image of God. There is a minority viewpoint that the order of creation, that is, woman being created from man, renders woman a derivative image (image of the image of God) which would at a minimum account for their subordination to men (Eph. 5:23).

>>16321396
>renders woman a derivative image
I see, interesting.

>>16321407
Like I said, this is a minority viewpoint, at least currently. With how things stand today you won't find many people going around saying this, or even being aware of it as a possibility. How common it was in the past, I cannot say, though I've read it's an interpretation dating to the church fathers originally.

>>16321396
>>16321343
the whole point is that humanity is made after the image of God not in its physical resemblance but in its ---intellect--- see - St. Thomas Aquinas. Intellect in the Christian sense is of course taken more abstractly than in your modernist view.

>>16317407
Because it's not God it's a sexiest man who used the weak memory of Christians to his favor read Quran you will not regret it I swear

>>16317407
It doesn't really focus that much on it, honestly. There's even the whole Song of Songs thing which is an explicitly raunchy song about praising sex and love. The prudish nature of Jewish scripture and Christ's teachings were definitely overblown and overemphasized during the middle ages by the twisted form of the Church which came into authority.
Abstinance from sex and sexual thoughts in encouraged as a virtue to avoid attachment to the material world and material pleasures, prevent sexual abuses of all sorts, premarital pregnancies, infidelity, etc etc. Far more benefits than putting forth a "no comment" on humanity's coomer instincts.

>>16317601
Based Tolkein. Lobsterman's quote is taken out of context though.

>>16317798
Hylic cope.

>>16317407
>Why does the bible focus so much on abstinence from sex and sexual thoughts?
It doesnt.

>>16317407
It doesn't. God keeps telling His people to multiply. He is a loving God.

>>16321433
Fuck off papist.

>>16317407
nice legs shame about the sad walk

>>16317407
Pleasure is no good

>>16321396
>There is a minority viewpoint that the order of creation, that is, woman being created from man, renders woman a derivative image (image of the image of God) which would at a minimum account for their subordination to men (Eph. 5:23).
That is theopatriarchical drivel; sex originated as a symptom of the original fragmentation of the unity of Nobility, which followed the Demiourgos' usurpation of this kosmos; the temale body was created as a stabilizing counterpart to the male body in concord with the harmonic pattern of Pleroma, thusly being more directly inspired with the beauty of Sofia; human bodies in general are created in concord to the form of eternal anthropomorph Protofanes.

>>16317407
>I grew up with 13 brothers

>>16317407
The christians were covert coomers and christianity is a thinly veiled BDSM dad/son incest fanfic -- prove me wrong.
>In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: (...) rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant (...)
>And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,
>Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water
>the Spirit of God dwells in you
Jsus coomed and the gnostics were right

>>16317798
>implying you can understand divine reason
What hubris.

>>16321343
God I wish that were me

>>16317407
I'm feeling a b8/10 for this thread.

>>16317407
So that a woman would not control you. Pretty simple. That's a big way to have control over yourself.
>>16317451
Opposite. For incels, women are sour grapes.
Here woman is temptation.

>>16317407

Does it?

>>16317779

What do you think sexuality has to do with genitals?

>>16322194
Not him.
Sex is done with genitals. Sexuality involves genitals. They are closely related.
Tough question Anon.

>>16317779
There are two and, as I see it, exactly two arguments against existence and thoughts
1) The existence of abuse, in which something is abused and something humiliated, is facilitated by desire. If there was no desire there would be none of this.
2) Artistry would be imperceptible if you were a desirous being. Ignore how attractive things are, there is simply an incredible aesthetic beauty to the thing's appearance. The curves are art, and the pieces of the thing fit together in such a way that is utterly sublime and that is not a word I'd use for many things.

>>16322205
This
I’m a man and I find vaginas disgusting.

>>16317407
that doesn't look very supportive. she would be better off with a proper tool belt

>>16317442
you realize that science killed the greek faith not christianity? milton and shakespeare still spoke about it and referenced it in their poems 1000 years after its supposed death
also christian mystics (alchemists) used its symbolism in their writings which formed a sort of syncretic relationship, whereby they accepted the greeks gods godhoods, but as equal to a mans godhood psalm 82 and lesser to that of the one true God
and then muh enlightenment came and muh onions scientific revolution (which was started by newton anyways who was (while not a participant) extremely interested in alchemy himself) and then alchemy, which once preserved the greeks, dissolves into chemistry (yuck) and abstract mysticism (which in the age of reason had even less of a claim to validity than alchemy, due to its lack of some overt scientific process)

>>16317679
>Imagine creating something after your own image and instead of building, creating, exploring and acting as god, he chooses to waste his entire existence at a level lower than an animal and more pathetic than a heroin addict.
You're talking about god here? Everything we have, we have from him.

>>16317679
Why didn't he just start over, removing sexual pleasure and thoughts? Didn't he already like wiped literally everybody but 5-6 persons? Is he not powerful enough to start humans anew? What the FUCK is his problem?

>>16317469
not really tho lol

>>16317407
>Why does the bible focus so much on abstinence from sex and sexual thoughts?

The Bible per se actually does not focus a great deal on that subject. It's only mentioned in passing once (or maybe twice) by Jesus, for example, and infrequently - a handful of times - by Paul (it's not the central theme of any of his epistles).

>>16317442
I love the part of "praising beaity" in greek culture where they have gay pedophilic relationships with kids as a staple cultural element.

>>16317543
tldr, if you're gonna be a gay atheist at least be succinct

>Being pro sex when you can't even get consistently laid

Worse than incels desu

>>16319148
FAX, the Bible definitely doesn't "focus" on sex. If you make 90% of your life about sex than you're going to feel overwhelmed when you read God's commands to attain purity.

>>16317407
Th bible doesnt. The catholic church thinks that sex is wrong

>>16317847
it is for incels its pure cope because people can't get laid so they tell themselves they are waiting for the right one.

>>16319148
We are not physical beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a physical experience.

Because sexuality is actually something deeply beautiful and meaningful which shouldn't be treated like it means nothing. It is meant to bring two physical beings together in absolute union, inviting down the direct descent of the divine and the creation of new life, which is the absolute seal of the bond of love between two people, and the precondition for the creation of future bonds of love. It is the pinnacle and engine of love in this world. God is Love. Sexuality is physical spirituality of the highest order. Irrational pleasure seeking won't make you happy. Coomers are deeply miserable creatures. Lust is pain. To sin is to suffer. To willingly follow God's law is to know true happiness and freedom. God loves you and wants you to he happy. Please be happy. Let's all stop abusing our bodies and be happy together.

>>16317407
I dunno, probably the same reason nofappers think they're going to grow a beard if they stop jacking off. I guess idiots are just quick to attribute mystical properties to sexual acts.

>>16317407
Most people have sexual needs/wishes, by declaring almost all of them of them sinful, everyone becomes a sinner. This makes it easier to control people, by taking a natural aspect of humanity and turning it into an individual flaw.

>>16326153
Thank you

Because God is an incel and the only way he could get a son is by randomly impregnating some human without her knowledge

>>16321354
Yes I'm sure that is very practical and useful to desert tribals in 5000 BC.

>>16317407
>thinks pleasure is the greatest of good
>things suffering the greatest of evils
>thinks that focusing on sex doesn't make you complacent and impotent
>thinks that focusing on sex doesn't draw you from the Lord
>thinks that the Bible is against sex in marriage which could be considered a form of worship since we were created Man and Woman, and through sex, become a duality and a single entity, much like the Lord is a trinity
>thinks that sex in marriage is discouraged