/lit/ - Literature

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Schedule:
4th-6th: Sharp Ends
7th-12th: A Little Hatred
15th-20th: The Trouble With Peace
28th- October 23: The Iliad

Hey all, thanks for the participation in the 2020 chart so far. I've been doing my best to keep track of all the votes. However, I have noticed some complaints about the voting process. Some have brought up that the process may lead to anons voting multiple times, and this is evidently true as demonstrated by the Throne of Glass samefagging. Some have suggested a Strawpoll to fix this, but I feel like this is also easly exploitable. Anyone who really wanted to could use VPNs to vote multiple times or simply share the link with an army of Discord retards so that they too could vote for Throne of Glass.

I feel that the process I'm using now is the one that would be the most representative of the regular posters of /sffg/, but I understand that this may not be a widely held opinion. I'm considering using the current voting to simply determine which order the books appear in on the Strawpoll and then running a Strawpoll for another week before making the final chart. Please let me know which process you prefer and I will take it into consideration before putting the final chart together.

Here is the tally of votes so far for the 2020 /sffg/ chart:

LOTR: 14
Book of the New Sun: 14
Conan series: 10
Malazan Book of the Fallen: 7
Dune: 5
Prince of Nothing: 5
The Last Centurion: 4
Realm of the Elderlings: 4
Discworld: 4
Stories of your Life and Others: 3
The Stars My Destination: 3
Powder Mage Trilogy: 2
Stormlight Archive: 2
Armor: 2
The Expanse: 2
The Forever War: 2
The Coldfire Trilogy: 2
The Black Company: 2
Redwall: 1
Gateway: 1
Cradle Series: 1
Curse of Chalion: 1
Abhorsen series: 1
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell: 1
Gentleman Bastards Sequence: 1
Honorverse Series: 1
The Black Jewels Trilogy: 1
Rama series: 1
The Books of Babel: 1
The Emperor's Soul: 1
Kings of the Wyld: 1
A Song of Ice and Fire: 1
Gormenghast: 1
Arcadia: 1
Stand on Zanzibar: 1

Kiddo Korner:
Throne of Glass: 16

Note: Throne of Glass will now be relegated to the Kiddo Korner. The Kiddo Korner will not be included on the final chart.

I will keep the tally running until Saturday night at midnight.

The rules/how to vote:

1. To vote for any series/book currently on the list simply reply to this post with the following format:

">>[post number]
+1 Book of the New Sun"

and it will be counted.

2. To vote for a book or series not on the list, nominate it by replying to this post with the name of the series. This will count as a single vote and will enable others to vote for it as well. Only one nomination per post please. However, one can vote for as many nominated books as they want at once. This is to prevent a single post from adding dozens of obscure books to the tally.

3. If you want to vote for a book that has been nominated in the thread, but is not yet on the list, please respond directly to that post with the format outlined above.

4. Any repeated nominations will count as a single vote

>>16281951
+1 Throne of Glass

>>16281951
Add Neuromancer.
+1 Throne of Glass

>>16281951
+1 Lord of the Rings

>>16281951
Its meaningless and certainly not representative.

Another sharp turn, and I drew up on an open space and tried to make sense of what I was seeing. Positioned in a shadowed alcove was part of an Army MLRS—a multiple rocket launcher system. It was just the loader module, twelve square compartments that usually contained M270 rockets. There must have been another entrance somewhere big enough to haul this thing in here. I didn’t care about logistics at the time, I don’t care now. I crept closer, trying to get a better look at the rockets inside.
I could see the tops of their heads. The corpses of children—the youngest probably around seven years old—were fit snugly within the dozen rocket compartments. Their pale faces were quite distinct in the diffuse glow. Some of their eyes were open. Some had died with agonized expressions.

Nasty.

She held her grudges as if they were each a precious stone in constant need of polishing.

muh hand picked recommendation list

Legacy of the Aldenata/Posleen War, series by John Ringo (+Tom Kratman, Julie Cochrane, Michael Z. Williamson)
Voyage of the Space Bubble/Looking Glass, series by John Ringo (+Travis S. Taylor)
Troy Rising, series by John Ringo
The Council Wars, series by John Ringo
Paladin of Shadows, series by John Ringo
The Last Centurion, novel by John Ringo
Empire of Man, series by David Weber and John Ringo
Von Neumann's War, novel by by John Ringo and Travis S. Taylor
Honorverse, series by David Weber
Safehold, series by David Weber
Footfall, novel by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
The Mote in God's Eye, novel by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
The Gripping Hand, novel by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
Lucifer's Hammer, novel by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
Ringworld, series by Larry Niven
Foundation, series by Isaac Asimov
Worldwar, series by Harry Turtledove
After the Downfall, novel by Harry Turtledove
Axis of Time, series by John Birmingham
The Disappearance, series by John Birmingham
The Forever War, novel by Joe Haldeman
Realtime/Bobble, series by Vernor Vinge
Zones of Thought, series by Vernor Vinge

>>16281975
>nasty
It's not just nasty, it's terrible. Who could write this and think it's worth anybody's time?

Why are modern fantasy books so long and reliant on trilogies?

>>16281917
Spics love Sanderlad too.

>>16281951
>>16281951
>Note: Throne of Glass will now be relegated to the Kiddo Korner. The Kiddo Korner will not be included on the final chart.

Based Throne of Glass - 1
chart autist - 0

>>16281991
Sanderson brought this up in one of his lectures. The reason his books are so popular as audiobooks is their length; for the same price as something short and well-written, you can get a tome of drivel that looks better value on the page count/cost screen.

>>16281945
Fuck off tranny

is le Guin always this comfy? I just finished The Dispossessed and it was great. She kinda did a sprinkling of political philosophy and physics. I really did hate her character names though. Shevak. Bedap. Ninkumpoop. Rimrod.

>>16282013
Let him be, he's so desperate he made a new thread extra fast just so that he could stick his stupid reading list at the top.

>>16281951
I nominate revelation space

>>16281991
More money for publishers. Series sell and the longer a series is the more money there is to make. That's right, retards; those bloated epicshit series you goobers love so much? Nothing more than a ploy for the jew publishers to take more of your money.

>>16281937
Books That Were Listed For Release In September
JOE ABERCROMBIE • The Trouble with Peace
TIM AKERS • Knight Watch
NINA ALLAN • Ruby
KEVIN J. ANDERSON & NEIL PEART • Drumbeats
ANONYMOUS • And the Last Trump Shall Sound: An Anthology of the Near Future
STEPHEN BAXTER • World Engines: Creator
JIM BUTCHER • Battle Ground
M.R. CAREY • The Trials of Koli
C.J. CHERRYH • Divergence
ROSHANI CHOKSHI • The Silvered Serpent
CASSANDRA CLARE • Lost Book of the White
SUSANNA CLARKE • Piranesi
STORM CONSTANTINE • Shadows on the Hillside
ELLEN DATLOW • The Best Horror of the Year • Volume Twelve
ANDREA HAIRSTON • Master of Poisons
JOANNE M. HARRIS • Orfeia
S.L. HUANG • Burning Roses
SIMON INGS • We, Robots
STEPHEN GRAHAM JONES • Night of the Mannequins
JULIET MARILLIER • A Dance with Fate
ARKADY MARTINE • A Desolation Called Peace
SEANAN MCGUIRE • A Killing Frost
GARTH NIX • The Left-Handed Booksellers of London
NAOMI NOVIK • A Deadly Education
MARK OSHIRO • Each of Us a Desert
CHRISTOPHER PAOLINI • To Sleep in a Sea of Stars
DANIEL PINKWATER • Adventures of a Dwergish Girl
ANTHONY RYAN • The Kraken’s Tooth
ERIC JAMES STONE • The Humans in the Walls and Other Stories
JONATHAN STRAHAN • The Year’s Best Science Fiction Vol. 1: The Saga Anthology of Science Fiction 2020
ADRIAN TCHAIKOVSKY • The Doors of Eden

>>16281984
They were dirty Afghani kids so it's fine.

>>16282019
Definitions of what is "comfy" vary.

>>16281994
Sanderlad is literally an international best-seller. There are people all over the world who love him.

>>16281983
of almost entirely military sci-fi

>>16281951
Add Hyperion but just book 1

>>16281991
This so many times. The classics like Narnia and Earthsea are dwarfed by contemporary fantasy. I think publishers a) think fantasy is "supposed" to be twice as long as other genres and b) think fantasy fans think that longer books are worth more money due to time per dollar costs. B) would certainly explain why Sanderson sells so well despite a terrible word economy.

>>16282046
Attention! Admiral on deck!

>>16282019
Yes, Earthsea is even comfier as it's character-driven fantasy.

>>16281951
The Jerusalem man

>>16282032
Which of these are good?

Why is Sanderson so popular, anyway? Is his competition in the modern fantasy field that bad?

>>16282027
You must be the autist that wants to wait arbitrarily until threads are archived for an hour before making a new one.

>>16282126
You'd have to ask people who got advanced reading copies. If you meant which authors are good, then I can't answer that for you either.

>>16282032
> JIM BUTCHER • Battle Ground
Any early copy reviews on how this is looking?
I'll read it anyways due to sunk cost, but I want to know whether to get my hopes up or not

>>16282155
>Is his competition in the modern fantasy field that bad?
yes

>>16278206
Sorry I missed a thread, anon if you're still here, see if you can get your hands on Science Fiction Hall of Fame Volume 1 Edited by Robert Silverberg. You will not find a better anthology of golden age science fiction short stories written between 1929-1964, so basically you won't find a better anthology of short stories, period.

From the intro of the book
>This is as nearly definitive an anthology of modern science fiction stories as is likely to be compiled for quite some time. Its contents were chosen by vote of the membership of the Science Fiction Writers of America, an organization of some three hundred professional writers whose roster includes virtually everyone now living who has ever had science fiction published in the United States. The book you now hold represents the considered verdict of those who themselves have shaped science fiction—a roster of outstanding stories selected by people who know more intimately than any others what the criteria for excellence in science fiction should be.

If you've heard of a science fiction writer that was active during that period, they were a part of SFWA and they voted on this anthology. The SFWA would go on to form the Nebula awards in 1965.

The only critique I can direct at this anthology is that each writer was limited to one story even if the story was voted highly so it missed a few good ones, notably for example Arthur C. Clarke's "The Star".

>>16282032
I guess I'll try doors of eden. I wanna paste on the word stone to break a rothfuss fan's heart.

>>16281951
Why so butthurt about Throne of Glass? Not like you care because then you would make a survey outside of this site.
Also,

+1 Kings of the Wyld

>>16282155
He makes sure to never talk politics. So he appeals to the twits who care about representation and social issues while also not annoying less liberal readers. He has trope driven characters which make new genre readers feel more comfy than something that breaks the mold. His magic systems are his best point. Also he is good at layering climaxes which make the end if the book continue at a high level of tension for a long time. This gives a reader a thriller type feeling, and thrillers are the most mass market book genre in the world.

Just finished this
AMA

>>16282347
>tl;dr he writes anime

>>16282155
Some things kinda achieve critical mass and then are popular for being popular.

My cousin told me this was an awesome book. Is this really what modern scifi has come to? I'd rather suck start a shotgun than finish this crap. I dont know if I have ever been more disappointed. Give me a something to renew my faith in the genre.

>>16282351
Does anime even have climaxes? It generally ends on a fizzle because the Manga has no new plot. He certainly isn't as bad as a web novel.

Hey /sffg/ rec me some lesser-know grimdark/dark fantasy books, the older the better.

>>16282350
>read the author as cunt smith
Would that have been a more applicable nom de plume?

>>16282351
his writing is closer to jrpgs than anime

>>16282373
Breddy gud book hurr

>>16282373
http://mark---lawrence.blogspot.com/2017/08/grimdark-were-nailing-it-down.html

>>16282368
>Does anime even have climaxes?
Yes.
>It generally ends on a fizzle because the Manga has no new plot.
It generally ends after a plot arc gets resolved, but often with a teaser of new season. Only romances end completely unstintingly most of the time (since the only thing of interest there is who gets with whom, and the reveal is postponed as long as possible to milk the story dry).

>>16282292
This is great find. Thank you, anon!

I'm wondering if there's a fantasy equivalent of this but, then again, I got a lot of unread fantasy books from a flea market, so I'm likely good for a few months.

>>16282362
>bitch writer
>"A Lady Astronaut novel"
What in the FUCK did you expect?

>>16282387
It's written by a woman, one that started as an amateur writer, and it shows both things, a lot, and not in a good way.

>>16282377
No. Ask me better questions.

>>16282435
>>16282436
I was just happy my cousin finally got into scifi. She normally reads Jodi Picoult, and she wanted to be able to talk about the book with me. I figured baby steps would get her into better shit and make our conversations a little less vapid. Since I see her every week, this was a self preservation move. Now I may be actually shaking, but my feels are all rage. Why is everything always awful?

>>16281951
guess i'll nominate botns

>>16282206
Two sample chapters got posted for Batte Ground in case anyone cares.
https://www.tor.com/2020/09/01/read-the-first-two-chapters-from-battle-ground-jim-butchers-new-dresden-files-book/

>>16282439
Which story was the best in the collection?

>>16282472
Is she at least hot; this cousin of yours?

>>16282479
Nope, she's fat and has a bad personality. Which is why I thought sci-fi would be perfect for her.

>>16282387
>>16282389
thanks

>>16282477
My personal favorite would probably be Like Father, Like.... It's really grim with a nice build up and great pay off. Ironically enough 'Ghouljaw' was one of the weakest yet the publisher thought it strong enough to not only include it in the title, but put a scene from the story as the cover art. Felt like it should have been longer than what it was; it just sorta ends like a movie that ran out of budget and had to wrap everything up quickly.

Why are all the webnovels you are recommending written by women for women?

>>16282493
Why even bother? A hot cousin I could at least understand, but a fat bitchy one? Pfft

>>16282472
I was talking about Black Sun Rising though. It's a neat setting and a cool villain, but it's got all this romance reeking of middle aged woman and some extremely cliched and awful lines to embellish the writing.
That lady and the one that wrote the Swordpoint series got me scared, to the point I'm always postponing to read anything by Bujold.

Don't know about the Lady astronaut one.

>>16282508
My family is close and we all hang out at a lake house on Saturdays. We were talking about doing a book club for the fall since swimming will taper off. She can be funny at times, so i thought it would be worth trying to steer the conversation to topics other than Tumblr

>>16281951
+1 Book of the New Sun
It's overhyped but I can't deny I enjoyed it the most.

Add Roadside Picnic

>>16282532
I was going for lesser known with black sun rising, and it was mostly for the antihero. The main strength of that book is a good dark character who isn't suffering from 2edgy4u syndrome. Astronaut book was just a rant because it was far worse than I ever imagined.

>>16281951
The Fifth Season +1
Surprised that nobody has nominated this modern classic yet.

>>16282603
Nice try.

>>16281937
Fuck E William Brown

>>16281983
This is mine.

>>16279529
The culture fits if you're fine with the characters not acting it out, and only lecturing you, the reader, directly. Or when interacting with any non-culture character. Or talking about any non-culture character.

>>16281917
>magic
>system
full retard

>>16282552
>lesser known
>talked about a lot in /sffg/
lol ok

>>16282536
Sounds like a lovely family.

>>16282472
Fuck her properly. If you made your cousin cum more often you wouldn't be in this problem.

What are you fags waiting on to be released in September?

>>16283135
Don't call me a fag, asshole.

>>16283229
don't call me asshole, bitch.

>>16281975
What’s it from?

>>16283276
>>16282350

>>16281951
Surprised to see Powder Mage with two votes but nothing for Thousand Names, I found it to be the better flintlock series.

Anyway, I'd like to nominate Till We Have Faces

>>16282883
I read 1/2 of Lucifer’s Hammer (was reading on a PDF thread and only got halfway through before the thread fell off the board and the PDF link stopped working, idk I’m a techlet) and although I liked I gotta say it took for fucking ever for it to actually get to the point it was trying to make

>>16283307
>>16281951
Oh, I didn't read to the end where I can vote for more than one thing.

+1 Discworld
+1 Powder Mage Trilogy
+1 Abhorsen Series
+1 Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

>>16281951
+1 Prince of Nothing
+1 Black Company

>>16282362
The book had a fairly strong start, but it devolved into being rather simplistic, with uninspired characters.

>>16281951
+1 The Fifth Season

>>16281961
is sarah j. hot or fat?
i can't tell the difference and am thinking about checking her out

>>16283661
cuter than the average fem author, but definitely a piggy

Reosting since we migrated

Im about to read book 3 of Mistborne, I do not get how anyone thinks his characters are DEEP and well fleshed out. Sure his magic system i top tier. And hes good a writing a decent hype scene. But other than that, so far he really falls flat for me. I think Mistborne like 3/5. Its neither good or bad, just mediocre. Its a good entry for introducing people to the genre. But holy fuck I do not get all the praise he gets, especially when people shill this era as the Sanderson era.

Tell me Sandershills, why do you enjoy him so much?
Tbh I think the majority who praise and enjoy Sanderson must be americans. When you think about it, it really makes sense. Americans produce and consume lowtier entertainment on a daily basis.

i hate these achamian povs, i guess i can't understand the subtle emotional logic behind him seething outside this old whores door listening to her get fucked instead of just giving her enough money. i feel like im reading some pathetic boomers diary entries about the prostitute he is in love with, i dont get it and i dont care about it.

>>16283670
MAGNA

I ordered two by mistake.

>>16283670
She had a kid mang.

>>16283853
Maybe it's based on author's experience? But yeah sounds stupid since with enough money he could just get her to be his exclusive whore.

>>16283866
>>16283670
Is her adult fiction any good? I don't read YA trash.

Finished The Years of Salt and Rice, absolute KINO

Any good post-apoc or post-post-apoc scifi, preferably forward time travel (e.g cryosleep)? Suddenly have the mood for some of those

>>16284262
Not at all

>>16281951
+1 Powder Mage
+1 Gentleman Bastards

And I nominate the Foundation series, by Isaac Asimov

> “His eyes saved him. What they insisted on seeing and reporting to him took him out of the autism of terror.”

Ursula K. Le Guin predicted this entire website in 1974

>>16283813
Sanderson books are the literary equivalent of Marvel movies.

>>16283670
>>16283661
I don't know. She looks like she can take a dicking. And I want to nut deep in her. In shape slampiggies are my weakness.

>>16283661
looks like a slightly overweight preppy intellectual. body not a result of terrible diet but just inactivity. most likely looks good enough naked for anyone here to get an erection

also squarely out of any /lit/ loser's league but that's another subject

>>16281951
+1
The Coldfire Trilogy

Rec me a book like tes lore

The obvious two highlights for this month are going to be Garth Nix and Suzanne Clarke's novels. Juliet Mariller can write great novels but the premises of her more modern ones tend to be zzzzzzzzzzz. Naomi Novik is constantly averageish. Abercrombie's new cast is quite boring aside from Savine.

>>16283813
Nice try, chinkoid.

>>16281945
Sharp Ends - Joe Abercrombie

A Beautiful Bastard
The events leading to Glokta's infamous charge into the breach. How different he was before. I wonder if he knows that Salem Rews is Pike. Someone he entirely derided at the time would eventually become one of his Superiors and possibly a right-hand man. Maybe Pike/Rews will be the next Arch Lector.
Glokta: Tortured, imprisoned, becomes Arch Lector.
Rews/Pike: Tortured, imprisoned, becomes a Superior.
Vallimir: Becomes a Colonel, retires
Tunny: The Forever Corporal and that's how he wants it to be.
Poulder: Becomes a General, KIA.
Varuz: Lord Marshall, KIA
West: Becomes Lord Marshall, collateral damage
Kroy: Becomes Lord Marshall, resigns
Mitterick: Becomes Lord Marshall

Four Lord Marshalls, the highest military position. That's almost half the characters listed and around a third of the named characters. Is this a particularly illustrious group of men or does it say something about Abercrombie's plotting?

Small Kindnesses
Shev #1
Shevedieh, a 21 year old lesbian thief, THE BEST IN WESTPORT, now runs an opium den along with Severard. Severard would later become one of Glokta's Practicals. Javre arrives seemingly near death, and based on the description of her, I was confused by what later happened and how well she seemed to be. Javre has red hair and is from Thon. Is she the first character to be from there? I could look, but eh. I'm not quite sure what's going on with Javre's sword.

The Fool Jobs
A story about The North. Craw and others are on a Fool Job. I guess that's some minor magic and minor magic item. Doesn't work out well, which is probably to be expected. With Whirrun it seemed to be building up a character's past to contrast with his death.

Skipping Town
Shev #2
Bit of a strange duo, but it works well enough for me. The Fifteen Knight Templar. Honestly, it seems like a waste of resources on their end to go after Javre, but I suppose it makes for a bit of a dramatic narrative. The humor continues on. Long ago it was apparently much more common to have serialized adventures like this. I've read a few of them that began in recent years and are ongoing.

Hell
Temple during the fall of Dagoska. These are fine, but I don't think they were particularly necessary relative to what could have been written about instead.

Two's Company
Shev #3
Why are they still together? It's a mystery. Whirrun appears again. This time the sex is intentionally for comedy rather than unintentionally. Flood was and is a former member of Craw's crew. These other Templars are really underwhelming by comparison.

>>16281951
+1 The Stars My Destination
+1 Armor

What the difference between "Epic" fantasy and just regular "classic" fantasy?

>>16282206
Peace talks was a pretty good intro, I expect good things from Battle ground.

>>16286119
>Adjective:epic
>2.
>heroic or grand in scale or character.

>>16286119
Epic to me generally refers to mythological events happening to or around the settings and characters that deals with large scale concepts. I can't think of a distinction other than that.

>>16281951

Cyberiad by Stanislaw Lem

>>16284461
John Ringo’s The Last Centurion (Overseas American military base gets stranded in Iraq after Covid 19 ravages the low trust societies of The West, the Americans have to follow the Journey Of The Ten Thousand in order to get home) and his Black Tide Rising series (Fast, “Infected” type zombie plague spreads, ASAS turned History teacher hears about it, manages to get out to sea with his wife and children , and starts a successful Anti-Zombie Résistance there’s at least one kickass “Action Sequence” per book where one of the MCs murders the shit out of some zombies
Also, I’m partial to The Emberverse by S.M. Stirling (although I will warn I’ve only read the first two books), basically in 1998 all modern technology stops working due to “Something” changing the way physics works in very specific conditions (Gunpowder no longer burns as fast, water becomes compressible in Steam Engines, circuits no longer transmit electricity, etc etc) so humanity ends up backsliding into the Early Medieval period in a few places and into Cannibalistic Clans in a lot of others

>>16286279
>covid 19
That's quite recent. How good is it?
>emberverse
I think I heard about it. Will try

>>16286119
epic fantasy is about 100-200k more useless words than classic fantasy

>>16286303
>covid 19
>That's quite recent.
the book was actually published in 2008

>Death Gate cycle
Any good?
Any natural stopping points before the end?

Recommend me a good space opera
I'm done with epic fantasy for now

>>16286536
Vorkosigan

>>16286542
Something that isn't a series because i can't find theme where i live

>>16281951
+LOTR

>>16281951
Very surprised nobody's nominated The First Law, especially with the constant Abercrombie talk in these threads.

>>16281951
Why are so many people voting for thorne of glass?
Are they all trannies?

>>16286896
Think it's mostly just one anon having a laff

>>16286896
there is no way to verify voters here, its honor based system

>>16285194
Savine's great but Orso is fun too.

>>16286627
>Opera
>Not a series

Pick one.

Revelation Space

>>16286536

>>16287132
and as you know 4chin has no honor
much less the pretentious twits on /lit/

>>16284732
That's an insult to Marvel movies. At least they're decently paced, don't just vomit boring exposition at you non-stop, can make some funny jokes once in a while, and have way better action choreography.

>>16286652
That's because the voting isn't the slightest bit representative.

Seriously what the fuck do I read after The Second Apocalypse?

>>16287421
You don't.

>>16286896
I voted two times for Throne because the survey is shit and because falsifying survey results is a good 4chins tradition.

>>16286652
Many people don't care, especially since the faggot fucked it up.

What you guys currently reading?

>>16287437
How did he do that?

>>16286536
Vorkosigan and Fire Upon the Deep

>>16287421
Something good.

>>16287442
The Land Across. Wolfe doing Kafka/Buzzati is absolutely fantastic.

>>16287442
Currently about 2/3 through of my re-reading of The Last Centurion and after that I'll either go to Jerry Pounelle's Janissaries or David Weber's Empire from the Ashes

>>16287447
Many reasons, most obvious would be that votes and current results shouldn't be public knowledge until the end (see Throne of Glass).
It should be offsite, one vote per IP, no results until the end. Preferably one vote per email adress (which should be on a whitelisted site) provided that the mail addresses are checked by a third party that doesn't share those mail addresses with the one makimg the survey (dunno if this exists, hence 'preferably', but nowadays it probably does).
Oh and I personally think that it should be voting for a maximum of 10 books/series, with decreqsing amount of points (10 to 1), since first past the post voting is bad.

>>16287554
Oh, I misunderstood, thought you were referring to The First Law, not this poll.

>>16287554
>>16287447
And yeah, it wouldn't guarantee non-shit results (nothing would), but there would be at least a shadow of a chance for that.

>>16287554
Different anon, I'm biased against voting when it's possible to simply have all the data already presented to us, but I know people are silly about it and I was unable to dissuade "ChartBro" from doing so because he said he was doing "something different."
What you're describing basically sounds like the Goodreads group would suffice.

Refer to
>>16243546

>>16287592
>>16287554
>>16287579

>>16287592
It's slightly different (many people don't have GR/don't want to associate their GR with the infamous hacker Anonymous), you can give 5/5 to any number of books on GR, as opposed to the definite gradation of points I proposed (which I think would be a nice way of finding the movel best received by /sffg/ though I know that this particular point is the least objective of all the ones I raised).
But I'm not really pushing to make a survey, I just think that if someone is determined to do it, they could try to do it competently.

>>16287678
There are 242 in the group and it prevents most of the problems mentioned. The problem is getting people to vote in the poll itself. A number of polls have already been run in the group.

Think I'll read this next, bros.

>>16287730
Post some poll results.

>>16287745
I didn't say they went well.

>>16284732
I fully agree, with I've read so far. Its easily digestible media with little to no depth on a character level. I hope it gets better with future books, but if Way of Kings does not vastly improve the depth of his characters, then its a sure no go for me.


>>16285328
What does being a chink have to do with not liking Sanderson?

>>16287442
King of Thorns. Next up is Golden Fool and The Hero of Ages.

>>16287757
I was just curious.

>>16287791
Join then.

>>16286896
No, they just like thick older women

>>16287801
I'm not making an account just for that.

>>16287860
So go the tradeoffs for any voting system.

Why is so much of fantasy just recycled? Where's the imagination? Everything tries to be so realistic and edgy, but where's the fucking fun in that?

>>16287925
You clearly have a very limited reading range.

>>16287974
Anon for every gem there's a thousand pieces of schlock.

>>16287442
Mieville's "The Scar" after that i'll probably jump to CAS's Zothique or a WH40K book.

>>16287983
>Mieville's "The Scar"
Yikes
>CAS's Zothique
Based
>WH40K book
Yikes again

>>16287978
You don't have to read the schlock though.

>>16288020
40k is the equivalent of comfy food, once you know enough of the lore the universe is expansive enough to keep you entertained

>>16288096
>lorefags
Yikes

Well it looks like Charles Saunders, writer of Imaro, died a couple of months ago and it's just now coming out. That sucks. Pretty much the only black fantasy writer worth reading and he wrote some solid S&S.

>>16288183
damn would you look at that absolute QUEEN

>>16281951
+1 Faithful and the fallen

>>16287771
Stormlight is both a step down and a massive improvement. The male POVs are the best characters he’s written and are great by any standard. The female POVs are atrociously bad. Fuck Shallan and the cringy awesomeness girl.

Choice of magic 2 isn't coming out till October 13th. Rrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeee

We need more fantasy like pic related.

>>16288020
>>16288182
>a yikes rebbit tourists fag
kys

>>16288629
Y
I
K
E
S

Any of you read this? What's it about?

Any of you read this? What's it about?

>>16288183
>>16288216
what are some books with Black Queens?

>>16288757
I wish I knew more

>>16288749
Harem smut. Decently entertaining but nothing special.

>>16288642
cringe

>>16288770
Does the protag have powers? Or does he depend on his harem smut?

>>16288918
No powers. Its mostly a political thing where they plot and plan and he relies on other people to execute his plans. Its actually part of the lore that there used to be magic in the world but not anymore.

>>16285442
Wrong Place, Wrong Time
BSC tales. Casto Morveer's collateral damage. Bremer dan Gorst's disgrace and more collateral damage. Being on the losing end.

The Near Country
584, 6 years before Red Country which was in 590. Shy at the end of her 2 years as Smoke? 17 to 19, then 19+6 = 25 years old? No mention of Pit because he hadn't been born yet when she left but if she returned right after this, it'd be about the time he was born. The timing would even work for Pit to be her son with Dodd, but that isn't the case. Ro would have been around 2 when she left. Again the internal chronology falls apart, but it seems it isn't much of a concern for many authors or editors and I suppose I'm weirdly overly concerned with chronology relatively speaking. "I tried to stop Shy when she was ten years old and it didn't stick then" as previously noted. Last Argument was in 577. This is 584. That's 7 years later. Logen immediately went to the farm in 577 and Shy was 10 then. 7 years later Shy leaves, 584. However, she says the farm was years ago. Maybe it isn't literal? I could go into this more deeply, but eh. Much like the wagon years later, the stolen wealth from her former companions slips away.

Yesterday, Near a Village Called Barden
Concurrent with The Heroes. A story of Gorst and others. As with almost everyone excited about battle in First Law, Kerns meets a quick and inglorious end. Others who are excited about it are crippled or at least disillusioned. Gorst's view on his own actions is similar to Cosca's, but he feels as if though it ought to matter more and continually makes a pretense at trying to be a Nice Guy and is just as continually disappointed with where it leaves him. Cosca made no such pretense and yet was just as continually disappointed. [insert philosophical argument here].

>>16289256
Three's A Crowd
Shev #4
14 years after Shev #1 (573-587), 11 years after Shev #3. Shev is now 35 years old. Vitari. Seems this is what happens when a competent leader is in power rather than a puppet placed there by a greater power. I'm somewhat surprised that she still lives considering all the Magi plots and how little they appreciate events going against their plans. A seven year old king. Shenkt makes an appearance. Since Vitari calls him Cas, it has been speculated that he is King Casimir and when asked Abercrombie has neither confirmed or denied it, probably because it doesn't matter either way and it wasn't intended so people can think whatever they want. Such is a benefit of being vague. "A great deal bloodier without your work." Seems she had been doing stuff for them. Carcolf had returned. "There's always a worse case than your worst case, and more often than not, it happens." That's life for you, indeed. What a bad move Horald made. Ul-Khatif is in Kadir, which is part of the Gurkish Empire. As she said, she has certainly traveled all over The Circle of the World with all this listing of place names. Javre is still around. Tunny appears again. Why are men of the Union here though? Maybe I'm misremembering the timeline, but Mitterick's negotiations, as mentioned in Red Country, which is 3 years after this, were later. Shivers is involved again. This is 3 years after The Heroes. Yet again with the abusive lesbian relationships. Shev talked with Logen about knives? 14 years and an unknown amount of deaths later, the Golden Order is still after Javre. What a waste. What a family. So which magus does she mean? I assume Bayaz. Oh, she met Logen in Squaredeal. An escape from the relationship? That's a new one.

Freedom!
Sworbreck dead at 95? How old was he in Red Country? I didn't think he was particularly that old, so this note must be from far beyond anything else that Abercrombie will write in this world. I looked at AMA a while ago and he said he had no intention to go much further beyond the current age and certainly not to modernity. Oh, so Cosca was 57 or so then, well, ok. Imagine trying to use this as a primary source in a historical study. As publishers tend to do, they published literally every scrap they could find from him after his death in hopes of making more profit, as happens with various others to this day as well. I stand by thinking that Sworbreck is Abercrombie and this is more commentary on his own writing and Cosca's note at the end is Abercrombie commenting on his editor.

>>16289265
Tough Times All Over
Shev #5 (5 years after Shev #4)
I previously read this story in George R.R. Martin's Rogues anthology (2014, but I don't remember when I read it. Maybe 2017) and it was the reason why I decided I'd give Abercrombie another chance. I read through it again since I have so much more context this time. Deep and Shallow were in The Heroes and were in the pay of Bayaz. Who are Carcolf's brother, nieces, and sister-in-law? "father always said a person should stick to their principles" Sounds familiar, but I don't quite remember. Monza said Carcolf was overdramatic. Carcolf's family is Adua, the Union, though. Kurtis dan Broya was in The Contest with Jezal. Friendly makes an appearance, this is 2 years after Red Country. Seems he didn't go to prison. He's working for the Quarryman. Kiam was probably the girl that Friendly sees. I don't remember if a Northman reading a book was mentioned before, I feel like it was. "The bald boss" is likely Bayaz. Is Javre still working for her mother, 5 years later? Considering she calls herself 1st of 15, maybe they reconciled. Apparently Javre had a run-in with Khalul. Maybe she stole from him rather than Bayaz on her mother's orders. Ishri is The East Wind, one of Khalul's eaters. Shev, now 40 years old, makes an appearance. Sees Javre. Ha ha, what funny story about no underwear. Shev is back again with Carcolf, for a moment anyway. Is this the last we'll see of these characters? Follows Shev from ages 21 to 40, 19 years. I liked how package was the viewpoint character.

Made A Monster
Although this says 570, it's noted in the timeline I linked that Abercrombie said that was a mistake and 565 would be more accurate. That would put it 10 years before The Blade Itself rather than 5. Sulfur meets Bethod and the Bloody-Nine is being the Bloody-Nine.

Shev Publication Order
Skipping Town (2013) #2
Tough Times All Over (2015) #5
Small Kindness (2016) #1
Two's Company (2016) #3
Three's A Crowd (2016) #4
1,3,4 were written for this collection. They are about 42% of the page count.

Written for this collection:
A Beautiful Bastard; Wrong Place, Wrong Time; Made a Monster

Previously published:
The Fool Jobs (2010), Hell (2010), Yesterday Near a Village Called Barden (2012), Some Desperado (2013), Freedom! (2013)

So, for a rating? That's a bother as always for collection & anthologies. If I averaged all the stories out, this would be barely above 2 stars. However, that's not how I do this, so I'll say it's a 3.

>>16287554
You don't need to use emails. Strawpoll would suffice. Anything is better than what the retard is doing currently though.

Halfway done with book of the new sun. Does severian ever stop being a simping faggot?

>>16281951
+1 Fifth Season
+1 Asoiaf

>>16289379
It's just another security step to make faking results more annoying/harder, at least if you have a whitelist of legit mails (to prohibit 10 minute mail and its clones), but it's not absolutely necessary (see 'preferably').

The Gap cycle is kino in space.

>>16282362
The wikiepdia entry looks like some troll someone from /sffg/ would write. Honestly I don't know what you expected.

>>16287442
I've been reading French fantasy since someone recommended me "Gagner la guerre" (I'm not sure it's been translated in english but it's quite good). Currently reading pic related. I'm not staying up at night for it but it's descent

>>16287849
Looks like padded Jennifer Lawrence

>>16287189
Orso's great as well. They're basically carrying the book imo

>>16287442
Gene Wolfe's Strange Travelers. I probably should've gotten The Island of Doctor Death... which are older short stories.

Someone make a program or an app that translates your prose into a famous author's prose or along similar lines. I'm sure something like that is possible.

>>16281951
>>16282603
+1 Fifth Season
+1 Books of Babel
+1 Gormenghast

Do we like historical fiction around here?

Warlord Chronicles is fucking excellent and I want more.

>>16290989
I read Cornwell, Stockwin, and O'Brian, but it is a different genre. Almost as many anons seem to want to discuss it as SF these days, maybe it should be renamed /Fsfhfg/ with a capital F for the fantasy discussion that ocfuoiee the vast majority of discussion.

>>16291038
The genre is 'speculative fiction', the name '/sffg/' is a historical relic.

>>16291049
/shf/ for speculative and historical fiction then maybe.

>>16287554
>>16287592
not op or chartanon, different anon
all this talk has got me interested in doing polls
I'm a member of the /sffg/ discord, add me: dk_kot#7805 and send me an email that you'll use to receive the polls

>>16291057
this is me, nvm.. i'm too lazy

>>16291125
alexander_jahans.jpg

>>16290989
That would include a shitload of things, like Nicholas Guild, Yourcenar, Anatole France, Dumas, George McDonald Fraser, Vladimir Bartol, Tolstoi, etc

>>16281951
+1 Powder Mage Trilogy
+1 The Books of Babel

Soon..

>>16291648
That doesn't tell me anything faggot. Give me time and a date.

>>16288931
That sucks. I like people that exploit their small magical abilities to do great things. So if there isn't magic, how does he have the virility to sleep with multiple girls multiple times a day, everyday?

>>16281951
+1 Black Jewels Trilogy
+1 Fifth Season

>>16291038
>>16291052
Go start and maintain your own general if you want to rename it. It has been sffg for 6 years, and it will continue to be so. Stop being a faggot tranny, who, instead of building the infrastructure themselves and starting from scratch, always wants established entities to cater to their whims, and bend backwards to satisfy their sense of entitlement.

>>16291648
Fuck. Wintersteel looks THICC. Is it longer than the other books?

>>16281951
Minus one to lotr, conan, dune.
+1 black jewels trilogy
+1 emperor's soul

>>16291799
>Is it longer than the other books?
Are you perhaps blind anon?

>>16291819
Different anon but there are more ways to measure volume of content than page or word count

>>16291819
You do see "not for resale", right? It's an ARC. I'm asking because whole chapters can be pruned in the final cut.

Is dune a good introduction to sci-fi?

>>16291848
What the fuck are you even talking about? Fuck off back to your kiddy picture books.

>>16292031
>posts a picture of a noticeably bigger book than the previous books only to prune it down to make it much smaller in the final cut
Literally nobody does that.
Anyway he confirmed it ages ago that it was going to be the longest book yet.

>>16281961
+1 Throne of glASS

>>16292032
seems pretty seminal, pun intended
i'm def gonna get it down before the movie drops
hope it ain't a turd

>>16291049
What the fuck is speculative fiction? If it has explosions, sliding doors and green people, then it's good old science fiction.

>>16290219
>>16292319
but let's be honest here, you could probably talk to this gal about a range of things that are interesting
without being a dick, think what that is like in your "average" experience, never mind the below average experience
padded or not, i'd take the hit for the chance of some interesting conversation

>>16282155
He’s accessible and prolific.

>>16292171
>Literally nobody does that
You aren't a paypig for e william brown , I see.

>>16291648
You can get physical copies of his books?

This isn't too far off.
Are you going to read it /sffg/?

>>16292599
Dunno. Should I read the other Dresden files books?

So is urban fantasy just inherently shit?

>>16292567
You can get physical copies of any ebook. Amazon has their own printing presses.

>>16292602
I like them, they're mostly harmless fun

>>16292603
ARe you just inherently a faggot?

>>16292599
Yeah, going to pirate this one though, fucker only gave me half a book last time.

>>16281951
+1 Fifth Season

>>16292602
They are good but be prepared to skip a lot. There are also a lot of female characters, most male characters get no character development but females get chapters and chapters upon chapters if debelopment. Mc can't really take a single step without mentioning his female friends or pretty much doing anything without them. Most cases are usually mc running around surrounder by females, solving problems of females and engaging in retarded female conversations. It gets annoying pretty quick.

>>16292429
that's what she said?

>>16292630
Yet another person meme'ing about yet another "half a book".

>>16292602
Protagonist is an obnoxious retard, the side characters aren't likable, and the plot has nothing going for it. Read it if you like epic pop culture references and if you're the type to go "wow, he is literally me."

>>16292747
Will Wight, R Scott Bakker, Jim Butcher all put out books that were split in half and padded with filler.

>>16281937
Sharp Ends, First Law World #7 - Joe Abercrombie (2016)
This is a collection of short fiction, 13 stories, set in the First Law World. 5 of them follow a new character, Shev, and her "adventures". These stories are about 42% of the page count. Various characters, locations, and times are covered. The years covered range from 10 years before The Blade Itself to 2 years after Red Country. If you haven't read the previous 6 novels, you probably won't get as much out of this as you otherwise would. Several, if not all of the stories, are based on the reader already knowing the material and wanting to learn more about what happened.

A Beautiful Bastard: The events preceding Glokta's infamous breach.
Small Kindnesses, Skipping Town, Two's Company, Three's A Crowd, and Tough Times All Over are the Shev stories. They cover 19 years of her life, from 21 to 40.
The Fool Jobs: A story about Curnden Craw and crew.
Hell: Temple during the fall of Dagoska.
Wrong Place, Wrong Time: Tales of the collateral damage of Best Served Cold.
The Near Country: A tale of Shy's time as Smoke preceding the events of Red Country.
Yesterday, Near a Village Called Barden: A story about Gorst during The Heroes.
Freedom!: A propaganda piece about the Company of the Gracious Hand and Nicomo Cosca during Red Country.
Made A Monster: Bethod and Logen 10 years prior to The Blade Itself. (Abercrombie noted he incorrectly dated it as 5 years before.)

So, for a rating? That's a bother as always for collection & anthologies. If I averaged all the stories out, this would be barely above 2 stars. However, that's not how I do this, so I'll say it's a 3. It's not something I'd recommend for anyone to read unless they are either interested in Shev's story, more info on a few characters, or rough on the common folk the First Law World is. For me, it's Shev's story. Otherwise, I'd just give this a 2, as I don't think the stories stand very well alone. I have often have with problems fantasy short stories relative to Science-Fiction stories, as I believe they generally don't work as well due to what I perceive as the fundamentals of fantasy.
Rating: 3/5

Does anyone have access to Wintersteel by Will Wight?
I'm asking since supposedly private trackers (which I'm not a part of) are better, so maybe they managed to snag Advanced Reader Copy.

>>16281951
Court of Thorns and Roses

>>16292603
Yes.

>>16293138
Trash

>>16293138
based anon shitting up the poll

>>16285442

>>16281951
Fifth Season +1
>>16293138
based +1

I don't even care how bad the poll is, but I wish it was only linked here and conducted elsewhere. Right now it's only shitting up the thread.

>>16286652
>Emberverse

>>16293461
It's been repeatedly pointed out to him that he's shitting up the thread and people have also explained to him how he can do the poll using something like strawpoll after taking nominations, which eliminates the shit posting AND multiple voting.
But he's a stupid faggot that's only really doing this for attention so on he goes.

>>16293138
+1 Court of Thorns and Roses

>>16281951
+1 throne of glass

you are the one who went full retard, chart autist, you set the "rules", so drop the "kiddo korner" bullshit and put throne of glass in its rightful place at the top of the poll

>>16293561
This. If you're going to clog every thread with this crap, at least stick to your plan.

>>16293138
based
+1 for Court Of Thorns and Roses

>>16293138
kek
+1 court thorns&roses

>>16293396

>>16293138
Yikes

know anything that feels pretty Gothic but IN SPACE?

>>16293694
might be me, but t sure ain't Slow Joe Abercrombie

>>16293138

>>16293104
It's self published. There won't be anything before it comes out.

Is Neuromancer any good?

>>16293721
Nice! RIP in peace, Crackhead Bob

>>16293759
Nothing stopping somebody who self-publishes from sending ARCs to some people.

>>16281951
+1 throne of glass

>>16293759
>>16293782
But yeah if he doesn't do it for whatever reason then I can only wait.

>>16293138
ohhhhh+1 courth of thorns and roses

What's his best work?

>>16293776
Yes. Or no.
It depends on the reader.

>>16281951
+1 Stand on Zanzibar
>>16281968
+1 Neuromancer
nothing from The Culture series?

>>16294145
Wrong. Nothing depends the reader. The work stands alone.

+1 throne of glass

>>16294306
Yes then.

>>16294306
Even if, we can't perceive the objective quality of any novel. So in effect it depends on who gives their subjective opinion.

>>16294318
Subjectivity is a worthless illusion.

God, I'm reading so much middle eastern fantasy lately and it's bugging the shit out of me that there's basically no jewish fantasy except the dregs that revolve around golems.

Like, I know I should be satisfied that it's represented so heavily in scifi which usually has more substance, but god damn, every other every other culture is getting fantasy representation in the post-Black Panther age, why not this?

>>16294328
? It doesn't even refute my point. Even if there's some objective truth, it's hidden from us by this 'illusion'.

>>16294329
Look in the archive for why this is. I linked an article about it.

>>16294336
Exactly. So the question ought not to be asked.

>>16294349
What question? Whether something is good according to other people? It's just one of the ways of feeling out the waters and deciding what to read.

>>16294378
One does not decide what to read. The book chooses its reader.

>>16281937
What does /sffg/ think of Robert Newcomb?

The author, reader, critic, and all others are dead. Only the book itself yet lives.

>>16294409
He's better than Bob Oldcomb.

>ganbatta-wa ne?
>You get an A for effort

>>16294329
What is this middle eastern fantasy you're reading?

>>16294749
The Quran

>>16281951
+1 for Fifth Season by NK Jemisin

>>16281951
can we add Lucifer's Hammer on the chart?

>>16281951
+1 Revelation Space

>>16293698
Gideon the Ninth

>>16293776
It's amazing if you can handle a bombardment of imagery.

Post less. Read more.

Remind me again which powers Paul possess in Dune and Dune: Messiah? On my re-read he's just had his waking dream so I'm guessing some sort of cosmic awareness

>>16293870
Childhood's End
The City and the Stars

Can we report posts that just say "+1 series" ?

>>16293138
This

t I harny podter and the chamer of seecret

>>16295210
horny porter and the chamber of old lusty women

The 3000 character limit for posts needs to be reduced to the length of a tweet at most.

>>16295187
Yes, you can report, but if it isn't seen as valid, you could get be the acted against.>>16295188

>>16295447
Nah, bans for false reports are so rare as to be almost non-existent.

can someone please recommend me one really really good science fiction novel?

>>16281951
-7 for fifth season. Nigger authors that hate whites shouldn’t be in this chart

>>16295530
>>16294862

BASED

>>16295530
Pandora’s star

>>16295530
The Stars My Destination

>>16295530
The Mote in God's Eye

>>16295530
The only response you'll get is those pushing their agenda.

Bump Limit

+ 1 throne of glass

>>16295530
Children of Time

>>16295854
How do you survive daily life getting butt blasted over nothing all the time?

+1 Court of Thorns and Roses

>>16296074
Being buttblasted is highly pleasurable.

Don't support chartbro. Let him make the thread.

think i'll go on a far future trip after finishing The Scar. Most likely Zothique -> BotNS -> maybe The Night Land or Dying Earth. I like that mysterious magical vibe books of these setting seem to have.

>>16295530
A Scanner Darkly

>>16295635
>>>/pol/

What is coming out before December 2020?

>>16296235
You - to your parents.

>>16296267

Thoughts on Lyonesse Trilogy?
I'm about 120 pages in, and while the prose is good, it seems kind of basic/generic. I guess I was hoping for some of the more wild and unique elements from the Dying Earth books. Does it do anything remarkable?

>>16296267
But I like the pussy.

>>16296398
>getting memed into Jack Vance

I just finished When the Jackals Storm the Walls, and my previous book was the Empire of Gold

What are the odds that two of the biggest ongoing middle eastern fantasy series would each release a new book in the same month, and both would feature a gory scene in which a cantankerous old pharmacist and the orphan girl he adopted drill a hole in the head of a boy who suffered from a hemorrhage in order to drain the blood putting pressure on his brain

>>16296398
It's just Arthurian and fairies fantasy. You're not going to find anything too original in it except a decent story and reimagining of some of the legends, with a little bit of everything.
Check his SF, the rest of the Dying Earth series or CAS's Zothique stories.
>>16296459
Filtered.

>>16296459
Nice try, Brandon.

NEW AND EPIC THREAD
>>16296582
>>16296582
>>16296582
>>16296582
>>16296582
>>16296582

>>16296582
>>16296582
>>16296582
>>16296582
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>>16294749
as I just posted here >>16296493, The Twelve Kings of Sharakhai and The City of Brass are the two main series

the former is on its like 5th book (excluding prequel novellas) and still going on, the latter just finished as a trilogy.

Honestly, the former one is entertaining but I have my concerns that the author might be an anti-semite. There's a jewish stand-in culture in the setting and the main characters despise their entire ethnicity because two randos beat a main character's brother to death. said character eventually meets one who's more sympathetic, but she's still a greedy backstabbing merchant whose only redeeming quality is she's not insane like her king is.

That said, it's possible I'm misinterpreting the author's intent. After all, the "good guys" of the story are themselves 12 desert tribes, and some major figures are named after Caananite prayer trees