/lit/ - Literature

>>16281875
>>>/his/

>>16281875
The original aryans looked like Pakistani/North Indians and had dark hair and dark eyes

>>16281967
thats not what the evidence say for example in ancient sumer there were people of blue eyes, ancient sumer is the region of Iran (notice the "aryan" simil, aryan generally means noble) and the region of iraq, this people were the ancient babylonian empire (and persian empire) they conquered the people that lived in the region of Judea and thats how the Old testament came to be thats why we see in the epic of gilgamesh the story of Noah and the flood story, thast why we have the niphilims etc so even with all the events of history theres still a preservation, even the "Hitlerist" writer Miguel serrano admits in his book "NOS" that the book of genesis is talking about the "aryans" (although he considers it a "corrupted" book)

archeologist use the term "steppe people" this are also the proto-indo-europeans, they domesticated the horse and developed the carriage this allowed them to travel all the way from the caucasus region (hence the term "caucasians") to india where they left their influence BUT also they influenced the region of ancient sumer/assyria/babylon/persia, so all this is a huge inter-connection of apparently different sources and languages that in reality have a common source.


this is an excelent video go to 16:30 for the specifics of their influence:
https://youtu.be/aeWs9fqLbec?t=987

"blue eyed people came from iran and settle in israel"
http://web.archive.org/web/20191004211142/https://www.livescience.com/63396-ancient-israel-immigration-turkey-iran.html

>>16281875
The Vedas hating shitskins quite often should be enough

>>16282264
>citing Hitlist writers as proof that aryans were blond haired and blue eyed
LEL
>livescience
oh sweetums...

Lucifer's Court by Otto Rahn

Rahn was an anthropologist whose research was funded by the Nazis in order to hype up the "Aryan" theme. His book is about a supposed remnant of the original Aryan sun-worshipping religion that was driven into hiding by the Christian church during the dark ages.

He's a bit unhinged and is clearly cherry-picking some of his examples, but it's a good starting point for a neglected subject.

>>16282264
You have no clue what you're talking about
>>16281875
Check out "Survive the Jive" on Youtube, he's a historian who I believe specializes in prehistory. Indo-Aryans are (as referred to more modernly) just the Eastern migrating Proto-Indo-Europeans, not whites. In reality Aryan is a cognate for heryos (PIE for kinsman) which is why in the 19th and 20th century Aryan referred to all Indo-Europeans, but now it refers more accurately to the Iranians, since it's an Iranian word derived from heryos.

The basic overview is: Massive eastern hunter-gatherers (northern Russians) mixed with the smaller people from the Caucasus, creating the Proto-Indo-Europeans in the Pontic Caspian Steppes above the Black Sea. These PIE people emigrated East (Aryans/Iranians) and West to create the Indo-Europeans. I'm not too sure of what went on in the Eastern migrants, but in the West the PIE people mixed with the Western hunter-gatherers (these hunter-gatherers were original real European people) and the Neolithic agarians to create what was called the "Corded-Ware" culture, on mainland Europe more to the north (so around current Poland/Northern Germany I believe). This Corded-Ware culture also moved into Scandinavian countries creating the Nordic Indo-Europeans, and also spread throughout Europe to create the Celts, Hellenic peoples, Italic peoples, etc.

Interestingly, Finns/Estonians aren't descended from the Neolithic agrarians because the PIE/Western hunter-gatherers who moved there never mixed with the Neolithics, but later on (around 3500 years ago) some Irarian/Asian peoples moved up into Estonia and Finland, bringing along many Indo-European words as they travelled, and mixed with the Finns and Estonians, which is why they have both more Western hunter-gatherer DNA than other Indo-Europeans and also a tad bit of Asian DNA.

>>16283606
>Check out "Survive the Jive" on Youtube, he's a historian who I believe specializes in prehistory
having a master's degree and being a larper on youtube does not make you a historian or a specialist

>NNNOOOO THE MIGRATION THEORY IS JUST PROPAGANDA TO JUSTIFY ENGLISH COLONIALISM

This book sets out the different possibilities and comes down on the side of an elite replacement and genetic mixing rather than a folk migration. That may or may not be right, but it is still an important read because it sets out a lot of the evidence for each theory then reasons through it in a non dogmatic way. It also talks about the ongoing importance of the pastoral people, and there are some spicy takes about how the periphery areas like mountains, jungles and borderlands were more amenable to buddhist influence because they preserved the IE lifestyle in a purer way; unaffected by the partly dravidian magicks of the brhamins.

PS: Indian nationalists and European leftists have created this weird alliance where merely acknowledging the steppe DNA which is literally present in Indians today (more among the higher castes), it's a complete nonsense.

>>16281967
Try reading the source material

>>16284032
yes

>>16283606
>>16284004
I had dinner with Jive at the East India Club once. He delivered an obscure poem in Old English which he translated on the fly after each paragraph.

Anyway I left after dinner but apparently he got all my friends banned from the In and Out club by verbally abusing an old lady who had told him not to make edgy jokes. A true man against time.

>>16284065
There's also explicit references to the Dasa as being a different people group to them

read the bible

>>16284004
A masters is pretty good lad, obviously it's not a phd but at that point you know a good deal about your field and are erudite enough in it to read and draw conclusions from research papers and newer studies. Do you have any other channels/books to check out on the subject?

>>16284004
>i-it doesn't matter that he's educated on the subject, h-he isn't educated ENOUGH!
He's read more on the subject than you, and cites his sources, so who cares what you think?

>>16284572
No, he doesn't, and he doesn't want you talking about anything involving Europe pre-1970.

>>16284064
Hindutva's stance on the IE migration theory is a consequence of India's political system and the entire world implicitly conspiring to keep India from ever mattering as a political agent in order to prevent a multipolar world. It's not so much an academic theory as a simple fact that they literally have to deny the PIE migration in order to be relevant in Indian politics at all.

>>16284746
>No, he doesn't, and he doesn't want you talking about anything involving Europe pre-1970.
Ah, I see. Do you have any recommendations? I've been watching Survive the Jive and am planning on buying a book called "Civilization One," although I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I'm very interested in prehistory and would like to know more.

>>16284746
It's only in North India where Aryan migration is denied. Much of South Indian political rhetoric relies on accepting the theory. Regional identities are more important than pan hindu identity in south.

>>16284790
>>16284746
Actually, reading about it now Civilization One doesn't seem like a very good book. I thought it was going to be about the pre-Sumerian civilization, but instead it looks like typical conspiracy "aliens did it" shit.

>>16281967
rofl wrong

>>16281875

>>16284790
I've been into this stuff for over a decade, so I didn't get anything from Jive if you're asking for recs on him. The Horse, The Wheel, and Language is often touted as a good intro, but I've seen people say that it also tries very hard to get the reader to understand that even though this is about the ancient history of White People, White People also aren't an actual political demographic, have no history, and should feel bad for being evil. There's plenty of 101s on Libgen if you put in "Indo-European".

Having said that, look into the works of Georges Dumezil. He's basically the founder of "Proto-Indo-European Studies", and the cultural/religious and linguistic studies of the PIE go right back to him. His work covers taking the various Indo-European languages, using them to construct a theoretical reconstructed language, and doing the same for religion, culture, and myth. A good starting place for him is Mitra-Varuna, which gets into what he's all about, but I also loved Archaic Roman Religion. The former is good because it shows off the whole reconstruction and comparative religion stuff, demonstrating a uniquely held PIE religious belief (Dyeus Phter has two aspects, that of liberation and that of binding), while the latter is fantastic as it thoroughly debunks the idea that nobody in Europe had a theology before the Jews came along, demonstrating a systematic Roman Religion with its own clear theology and systematic understanding of reality.

>>16281967
No shit, what all you failures think of as Aryan is Germanic
Everyone else are shitskins

The Horse, the Wheel and Language by David Anthony if you want an actual book by an actual historian on the topic
>>16284064
Thapar is terrible, she can't even read primary sources

>>16284836
>The Horse, The Wheel, and Language
I don't think I'd be able to get into anything that's that actively anti-white
Regarding the works of Dumezil, since he was writing in the 20th century, I assume he won't have anything to do with the genetic proofs of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. I'll grab some of his books to get an idea of the ethno-linguistics, but do you know also of any more modern lit that combines the ethno-linguistics with genetics research?
>while the latter is fantastic as it thoroughly debunks the idea that nobody in Europe had a theology before the Jews came along, demonstrating a systematic Roman Religion with its own clear theology and systematic understanding of reality.
You would know more about this, so I figure I'll ask; isn't there proof that the Corded-Ware culture had a religious system based off of an All-father and cattle sacrifice, which then influenced the Nordic and Roman religions?

Also, do you know of any resources on non Indo-European prehistory, i.e African, American, or Asian prehistory, and is that sort of stuff actually researched without bias? Sorry if I'm asking so much, I don't usually bump into people that know a good deal of prehistory.