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>>16266585
MBTI? G3t this pop sci normie trash off my fucking board

>>16267505
This. You should take the personality test used by the CIA which will call you out as being an autistic schizo: PASF

Horoscope thread?

>>16266585
any infj writers

>>16267726
lmao that was a good thread

>>16266585
>>16267505
>>16268046
I still dont know what these 4 letter shits mean, lol.

>>16268060
good

>>16268046
/lit/ fav russian bois

Is this like the + after LGBT?

>>16267726
>>16267505
Why is mbti so accurate? I can tell peoples type immediately and I'm always right

>>16266585
>INFP
Easily the worst personality type.

>>16268539
INFP is the best type for a man and E/INTJ is the best type for a woman

>>16268565
BASED

>>16268565
Fuck no. INFP is for faggots.

>>16268581
Mr Rodgers, Kurt Cobain, Trent Reznor, Aldous Huxley, ect

>>16268520
>Typically, the test-retest interval can range from several weeks to more than a year. Because type is said to be a constant characteristic, we would expect that people's personality would not change over time. Several studies, however, show that even when the test-retest interval is short (e.g., 5 weeks), as many as 50 percent of the people will be classified into a different type

>>16268595
I've gotten both INTP and INFP

>>16268520
You are infected with typologism, get ready to read enneagrams and zodiac signs above people faces.

>>16268565
its literally the inverse

>>16268595
>we would expect that people's personality would not change over time
Bullshit

>as many as 50 percent of the people will be classified into a different type
People are fucking retards who don't know how to answer the questions. That doesn't reflect on the truth of the test.

>>16268625
>People are fucking retards who don't know how to answer the questions. That doesn't reflect on the truth of the test.
If the test devised by the creators of the theory can't accurately or consistently assign types, then what can? There is no one who knows you as well as yourself, especially in regards to the phenomenological elements that are part of mbti and inaccessible to anyone but the individual.
To preempt
>But people often don't know themselves well/are in denial/have certain blindspots.
Sure, but even with these biases an someone will know themselves better than any outside observer. Unless you are life-long partners, the individual subject will have orders of magnitude more experiences to draw on for reference in answering any question in the test or the theory. An outside observer also shouldn't be thought to be free of selective biases in their observation and judgement of someone's character.
If the best possible judge of personality can't reliably determine their mbti type on the test prepared by the creators of the index, that is incredibly damning. What good is your theory if one's "true" personality type is practically inaccessible to either the participants or the observer?

>MBTI

>>16266585
tolkien and me

Ha Ha I'm ISTJ So logical, no I haven't read any psychology.

>>16268595
>>16268625
>>16268897
The test is devised based on a system of scales. For example, say the introverted-extraverted scale ranges from 0-100 with 0 corresponding to introverted and 100 to extraverted. If your answers net you a 51 on this scale the test assigns you extraverted personalities. However you could easily have gotten a 49 based on your mood swings on the day of the test. This is an easy explanation of why people get different results, but it requires them scoring near the middle of the scales that change.
It becomes inaccurate and strange if one day you score 100 and in 5 days you score 0 on the same scale.
The "Archetypes" provided are extreme examples (e.g. E-archetypes consider that you got 100 on the I-E scale).
The test becomes more accurate if you understand what the extremes on a scale represent and you interpret your standing on that scale based on your score. But this is too much work for most people so the tests feed you a set of predefined "characteristics".

>>16269280
No one asked bugman

Famous pisces writers?

>>16269280
You don't have to take the dichotomies so seriously. It's just shorthand for position on a continuous scale.

>>16266585
Friendly reminder that only xSTx have sex

>>16269280
That's even more damning.
The theory of mbti is based on the cognitive functions being placed in a specific order. For example, an infp is meant to have an order of
>Fi
>Ne
>Si
>Te
by then, if you test one day and get 51 and the next day get 49 due to "mood swings", flipping from p to j, i become an infj which has an order of:
>Ni
>Fe
>Ti
>Se
Which, as you can see, not only has a different ordering of all functions, but has 0 (zero) cognitive functions in common. If this is true, then this would suggest that my mood swing from one day wouldn't have turned out to be a minor change but have turned me into a radically different personality. So either the tests don't track the theory, or the theory is ridiculous. Or both.

>>16268520
Yeah dude, and I can tell your horoscope immediately by knowing your date of birth.

>>16269443
me

>>16266585
This is an /r9k/ thing, right? or is it a /soc/ thing?

>>16266585
I don't see the appeal in this whole thing, reminds me of horoscopes.

MBTI is astrology for men
Use OCEAN or fuck off

>>16267726
At least link it faggot
https://www.pasf.org/pasq/index.htm
find out your Glow-type: Take the first test, get your results and then plug them into the second test.
The link they give you to your type is sometimes wrong, so pick it from here if it is https://www.pasf.org/b64types/b64contents.htm

>>16266585
this pic convinced my camus is a retard

>>16266585
Ancap Kiki
Ancap Kiki

>>16268595
>taking the test and not learning about the cognitive functions to type yourself
Shit method
>>16269280
>dichotomies
See above

>>16267505
Very ENPT thing to say of you anon

>>16268581
Jesus was an INFP

*Ahem*

I think you already know my type.

>>16271048
That's a stupid claim, Jesus was the archeytpal ENFJ

>>16271252
i'm well aware of where you placed on the Meyer's Based/Cringe Indicator

>mbti
corruption of jung, socionics is closer
>>16267498
E-N type
>>16268046
Dostoyevsky is an INFJ/EII/Fi-Ne archetype
>>16268565
>E/INTJ is the best type for a woman
t. XSFJ type
>>16268603
both are Ni base, so that's expected
>>16269470
sex is related to S and F elements, and extraverts are less shy and more externally present, so one might theorize that ESFX types are most capable and likely to have sex
>>16269572
>INFP
>Fi-Ne
no. mbti got the introverts wrong. Jung states that the base function determines P/J dichotomy, which mbti completely and arbitrarily ignores for introverts.
>>16271048
persona most fits ENFJ (and if not, then INFP)
>>16271252
frogposters are usually not very creative, so you're probably a sensing type

>>16271352
>frogposters are usually not very creative, so you're probably a sensing type
Wrong, I am the most creative type! Who am I?

I think it may be, in fact, your aversion to irony.

ISTP gang bitch

>>16269280
So it has the same basis as Horoscopes then.

>>16270714
>my flaws aren’t my own I’m just such an INTP
Determinism gives people a good cope when they fug up.

>>16270789
uh...
>This is the most primitive of the IRU patterns and an tends to be relatively rare. In general, the ir*u has made little adaptation or modification of his primitive tendencies; he is a non-involving schizoid person with limited emotional control and little awareness of any need to develop social-interpersonal competence. At best, he is a self-centered, highly autistic person who is individualistic and self-seeking; at worst, he is the classic childhood schizophrenic who never develops beyond his autistic personalized world.

>Like the ir*u*, discussed below, this is a narcissistic adjustment, but it lacks the negativism and social-interpersonal defensiveness of the ir*u adjustment. Instead, the ir*u is much more socially passive and insulated. The ir*a* has learned some form of social adaptation in his development that maintains him fairly effectively, but the ir*u remains socially and interpersonally insulated from the beginning without developing superficial maturity. He is completely succor dependent and needs constant care and attention, not because he demands it in an overt way, but because he is essentially helpless without it. Obviously, it is very difficult for the ir*u to achieve any sort of productive, adult adjustment. The extreme ir*u is very difficult, if not impossible, to test, so part of the rarity of this pattern stems from this. Some ir*u records will occur in individuals with organic conditions, but usually the pattern is a result of the impairment and masks the pre-organic personality pattern. The ir*u is often a management problem because he is abusive, overactive, and assaultive. There are definite childish temper tantrums that are unrelated to external events.

>>16270789
https://www.pasf.org/pasq/desc/ppt/IFU.htm
>Initially, he is in danger of becoming so autistic and nonresponsive that he risks never making contact with reality.
What the fuck it called me retarded

>>16271381
It's not really an apt comparison, you don't have any choice about when you were born, there is no link between your birth month and personality.
But when a test is literally asking you "do you hate large gatherings" etc, it can determine the kind of traits you have.
I'm not saying that the Myers-Briggs types are invariable archetypes that we all adhere to, but we all know that people are largely more logical/emotional/introverted/extroverted more so than any other trait.
It's just an indicator of likely traits based on things you actually do/don't do.

>>16271352
How the fuck can he be a INFJ and Fi-Ne archetype at the same type?

>>16268539
>>16266585
>>16268565
>>16268581
INFP, any poet who is worth a shit was that. And yes, that includes Homer and Virgil.

>>16268520
because of confirmation bias

>>16270789
>IuFuUu
what does this mean?

>>16271538
INTP's beat INFP's when they take psychedelics

>>16266585
Shakespeare

>>16268046
Most Neoplatonists probably

I’m INTJ. Does that mean I’m autistic or something?

>>16271841
>What if
Try again

>>16271973
I'm a highly verbal aspergian and I used to always test INTP (never got any other result) but in the past two years I've done a lot of psychedelics and just now I tested INFP which is kind of interesting

>>16272006
kek. drugs took your ability to think properly
t - stands for thinking
f -stands for feeling

>>16268520
last time i guessed someone was INTP with 51/49 in favor of P and i shit you not i got it right. INTPs are so easy to guess. it seems like if you are a stem-minded internetdweller its inevitable

>>16272006
Maybe you're a INFP with asperger (a reason to score as INTP).

>>16271929
It means you’re definitely a fascist

>>16271929
you're an autist chad (INTJ-A) or a whiny autist (INTJ-T)

>>16272077
See

>>16272044
My critical thinking abilities have not been damaged if anything I'm less susceptible to conformation bias.

My understanding of aspergers is that I recognize units of abstract structure as though they were objects (most people seem to recognize function as primarily relevant and structure as secondary, for me the reverse is true). Think of conceptual categories as boxes so that the outer boundary is the set of contituent principles and the inner picture is the manifested understanding of it that is fundamentally imagistic (ie function opposed to structure). When I took lsd with my friends once I realized that their consciousness behaves in a manner that tends to attend to the manifest image (function) while ignoring the structural elements unless practical necessity demands it. So prior to lsd, instead of primarily experiencing(ie noticing) the function of a category, I would just notice that it contained subordinate child-categories but now I can sort of look at the constellation as a whole in an irrational way rather than as coherent set of units.

>>16272131
>I recognize units of abstract structure as though they were objects
INFP here, can relate. So say it has to do with aspergers? I wouldn't go that far, at least for me. But it seems to me that both INTP and INFP as "individualizer and principled" as they appear, the work ontologically the subjects they examine. As their main fuctions (Ti and Fi) abstract the world but are supported by a categorizing, conecting and "metaphysical" function: Ne.
Compare them with their sensor counterparts: ISTP and ISFP, totally diferent cosmovisions.

>>16272168
>So say it has to do with aspergers? I wouldn't go that far, at least for me.
Aspergers is fundamentally associated with abstraction. A severely austistic person can get very irritated if you move an object in a room that normally stays put because they have to form a new cognitive map of the room, wheras normally people's brains abstract the constancy of the room before and after the object has moved so they don't percieve as though they're in a new place.

>>16272182
Well, I get angry when people move around a room, but that's besides the point, I hope

>>16272186
Does it irritate you because you can't keep track of what they're doing? i e predict what's going on?

I’m INFP
Is Emil Cioran INFP? Because I find it shocking how similar our thinking patterns are, how we arrive at similar conclusions and even have similar interests

>>16272190
>Does it irritate you because you can't keep track of what they're doing? i e predict what's going on?
Yes, exactly, the prediction aspect. Like I have to keep a double eye on what's going on and what I'm supposed to do.

>>16272197
Abstraction is when your brain takes a set of things and simplifies them by categorization. Two apples, two bananas, two oranges, the common factor is "two" which is an abstraction. It may have to do with aspergers but also perhaps anxiety because your brain may have trouble ignoring the threat of unknown territory.

>>16272196
I think he belong to the INXP, just as you said on Cioran I can see to some extent on Pessoa. Even some of the supposed quirks of his thought and the way he say he percieves things the surprise a lot of people made a shock on me, because it sound as something I may have said, or worse, anothers were thinking I already have prior of knowing anything about him.

>>16272211
Basically if you feel the need to understand what everybody is doing in order to feel secure it means that the moment someone does something you don't understand, the [anomaly] takes hold of your attention because you're threshold to neuroticism is low enough that they will go from being 'irrelevant and ignorable' to 'relevant and urgent'.

>>16272197
>>16272211
>>16272227
Sorry for triple replying but it also might indicate that you have an exceptionally high sensitivity to ethical boundaries and you may have a low tolerance to when people transgress them which is associated with high disgust sensitivity.

>>16272245
Actually if when you say "anger" you really mean it like it could cause you to lose temper that kinda sounds like borderline personality disorder but that may be an overreaching interpretation

>>16272119
i'm INTP but have the tendencies of the image on the right, what gives?

>>16272272
INTPs are more interested in abstract exploration while INTJs are more interested in practical strategic implementation.

>>16272211
>>16272227
Ah, it sounds as you say it. Don't know if I was always like that,but I suppose that know I feel that I have the "power" or the capabilities to engage and try to solve or intervene of the things that happen. I guess as a child I used to scare away (yet feel it as hard as a truck/or a dissosiation or full fantasy avoidance), but I can't now.
>>16272245
>Sorry for triple replying
Don't. I'm enjoying your replies a lot.
>you have an exceptionally high sensitivity to ethical boundaries and you may have a low tolerance to when people transgress them which is associated with high disgust sensitivity.
Yes, a lot actually. I'm a little afraid you're reading me like a piece of paper. Very vivid descriptions that you make. Is there somewhere I can read about the things you've saying, or to which name I can find them?

>>16272197
If its just aspergers though its probably just because you're mentally burdened with the task of having to process what they're doing explicitly before you can ignore it just because you find implicit knowledge to be somewhat enigmatic

>>16272272
Your pic related bro
As >>16272281 says

>>16272305
Literally Jordan Peterson. Fuck people on /lit/ who think he's a pseud.

I don’t really know whether I’m an intuitive or a sensor. I could be either ISFP or INFP. I do have the capacity for abstraction and have an incredibly easy time observing trends in history and general ideas. However, I am completely uninterested in highly abstract discussions centered around reason (in ethics, epistemology etc.), as I find them absolutely useless in helping me find meaning in life and see no point in them. I’d take Dostoevsky and Camus over Kant and Hegel any fucking day

>>16272305
>I'm a little afraid you're reading me like a piece of paper.
I was abused by narcissistic parents and in order to recover from their trauma I have had to learn how to understand personality with razer percision so don't feel any more vulnerable to me than the average person. I wish everybody well so don't fear contempt, I was once a pale criminal myself.

>>16272318
>Fuck people on /lit/ who think he's a pseud.
Remember to wash your penis before you leave.

>>16266585
Hard to swallow redpill: getting T instead of F does not mean you're a super-smart deep thinker, it means you are quite literally autistic. That's all it stands for: being incapable of recognizing the emotions of other people, and "tending" to their emotional needs with I fucking love science-tier spaghetti-drops.

Go ahead and experiment for yourself: answer the test as an actual, clinical aspie would, and marvel at the fact that it is 100% T and 0% F.

>>16268520
>Be 26 yo virgin
>Act like one
>Female coworker asks if i'm a Virgo
>Say yes (it's true)
>No wonder
GOD DAMNIT

>>16272347
Epic meme but if reality is that which remains constant across all observations then semantic boundaries are reality, which is the essential thesis of Maps of Meaning that nobody on /lit/ talks about.

>>16272377
I heavily border between T and F desu, it mostly depends on my mood that day.

>>16272414
Have sex, stop watching bumbling charlatans.

>>16272430
I have had more sex in one night than you've probably ever achieved in a week

>>16272434
>I have had more sex in one night than you've probably ever achieved in a week

>>16272452
I said a week to be generous, who knows how often you hook up. If you think my ability to read and understand people intrudes on my ability to have sex then you probably don't have that much sex, or you settle for undesirable women. I actualy stopped engaging in casual sex after listening to Jordan Peterson.

>>16272467
Albeit casual sex was causing turmoil in my life because I was cheating during a destructive relationship. I don't think casual sex is inherently forbidden.

>>16272467
>that zoomer that needs a glorified youtube self help counselor to break his hedonistic habits

>>16272490
No actually I was abused by my narcissistic family and was in a relationship with somebody who was severely mentally ill and by listening to Jordan Peterson I developed an articulate understanding of personality which enabled me to understand myself and therefore others, my motivations and my desires/goals so that I could organize my life without being surrounded by hostile uncertainty.

>>16272490
I was also planing to kill myself which didn't happen because I developed an articulated understanding as to why its not in my best interest to do so

>>16272490
It's kinda funny though how you shift from insulting me as a sexless beta trying to mask as alpha to a hedonist because you can't tolerate people discussing Peterson. People like you are so triggered you start seething at his name, I suspect its because you're narcissistic and his existence undermines your delusion so you spaz the fuck out whenever he enters your attention.

>>16267726
CIA uses the MMPI, but you're still right. I recently took a personality test for the NSA and that shit got way too personal, to say the least.

>>16267505
Agreed. Anyone that cares about MBTI isn't old enough to be on this site.

>>16271048
very based

>>16271538
very true.

INTP is incel, INFP is tranny

>>16272564
>>16272525
>>16272511
Its just shocking how trash like you are passing on their genes every day while people like me who get publications in molecular biology that will affect billions of people in the near future, are still virgin.

>>16272323
ISFPs have very intuitive tendencies and can be easily confused with the INFP. very similar functions as well. My best friend is an ISFP and your last sentence sounds like something he would say, while I, an INFP, enjoy all these authors

>>16268060
You describe your general personality and then it gives you a label you can in-group yourself into

>>16273229
Could you bother to enlighten me as to why I'm trash? Your world is made of matter, mine is made of what matters.

>>16271423
>>16271428
fucking kek
>>16271788
https://www.pasf.org/b64types/bIuFuUu.htm
looks like you got a pretty good one.

>>16272578
Maybe they aren't using it anymore, but i believe it was developed by them at least in part.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002200010001-6.pdf

>>16273298
someone liking or disliking a philosopher has little to do with their MBTI type
I’m an INTJ who despises Hegel

>>16268595
>>16268603
>>16271352
I've taken the test 3 times, got ISTP, ESTP, and just now got INTP.

whenever i do these tests i can't tell if im answering how i really am or just how i percieve myself/ how i want to be. i generally get infp the most though which is cool

Bump

>>16271538
No decent non fiction writer ever was a feeler, XNTP's built human knowledge, INTJ's are alright as long as their ideas get filtered by INTP's minds.

>>16276677
>No decent non fiction writer ever was a feeler
Lovecraft was INTP/Ni-Te/ILI

Who entp here?

>>16276677
you aren't special

>>16270789
>This is a relatively rare basic pattern, partly because of low incidence among normals and an partly because persons with extreme patterns are usually not testable. In the extreme, this is a schizophrenic adjustment in which the individual is highly self-involved, autistic, and socially isolated or defensive. Like the ir*u, this is a childhood schizophrenic or an immature schizoid adjustment. At best, people with this pattern are very narcissistic. Fantasy, auto sensuality, and introspective versatility are more marked in the ir*u* than in either the iru* or the iru. Although he can be imaginative and creative, the productivity of the ir*u* is so individualized or personalized that it has only minimal social usefulness.
>Unlike the ir*u, the ir*u* must manifest some active social hostility in order to protect his intimacy and self-involvement. There is much more tendency for attempts at involvement with the ir*u* because he is a primitive A, making it necessary for him to develop some kind of insulation from social interaction. Extreme negativism, manifested early in his life, is usually characteristic of this adjustment. Tantrums, "fits," and similar behavior not only characterize his early life, but are usually very much a part of his adjustment all through life.

What the fuck? So I'm a hostile schizophrenic maniac who will go onto autistic fits all throughout my life?

>>16277010
at least you're not ir*u

>>16277010
called out lol.

>>16267498
DWF was a megachad attention whore. Not INFP in any way.

>>16272066
>>16272006
*literally me*
are you also trans?

>>16272318
I'm not any anon you've replied to. Peterson is proven to make people, who wouldn't otherwise, seek and find psychological first aid. His means of garnering this attention, the rhetoric, also serves as backdrop for his a priori tenets not derivable as he would make seem. His works fall apart under scrutiny, devastatingly. He may be a net force for good idk but i know he doesn't belong on lit.

the person responsible for ruining my life was an archetypal INFJ so I hate this type

>>16271788
I got the same exact one. I wonder what the MBTI equivalent is. I got INFJ last time, but I'm not sure that translates well. I wonder if it's the "INTP/J" 4chan equivalent, where it's abnormally popular in the demographic that posts here
>the ifu is both less conforming and less conventional; snobbery, pretentiousness, and hauteur are less likely because the ifu is relatively oblivious to his social image and less consistent in maintaining it. However, as he reaches maturity, the ifu is likely to be more aware of his failure to pay enough attention to his image; social-interpersonal anxiety is quite common in the adult.
>Fundamentally, the ifu is a person with so much intellectual curiosity that he can, for long periods of time, become so involved in his own interests and attitudes that he has little time or inclination to be aware of the other people in his environment. [...] Because he commits so much of his psychological energy to his sort of activity, he has little breadth or versatility in anything other than intellectual interests.
>This attitude makes the ifu careless, indifferent, or insulated about his social relationships. As a result, he is often considered different, unusual, queer, eccentric, or odd. Since structure, form, and security are so important to the ifu, it is important to understand the nature of this need. The drive of the ifu is toward creativity and imagination; thus, he must live in a milieu that does not thwart or frustrate this need.
extremely accurate

>>16277010
i think more emphasis on autistic/schizoid and less on schizo since it qualifies schizo with "in the extreme" and "childhood", and you'd certainly know if you had it. i almost wish i got a type that called me out that hard tho

>>16277553
Probably the most cursed type.

>>16277553
Why do you hate Jesus so much

>>16266585
Kierkegaard was an entp though.

>>16270789
>IuFuUc
>He responds very well to external direction because he is obedient, noninvolved, and relatively non-resistant
Fuck, I checked the thread because I’m INFP only to learn that I was only really a NPC...
The description doesn’t always seem very accurate so I might have passed the test to quickly but I think this is just me coping.

Found this thread so I took the test.

I'd say this is the 'incomplete', under-developed version of me. I have a long way to go and I'm not satisfied with who I am. Too emotional, too passive and lazy.

>>16270789
What the fuck is this shit? I just did the test but can't figure out what they expect of me now with entering my profile, and all these letters.

>>16277710
You'll get there anon, transmute that laziness into energy to do and achieve what you enjoy, like poetry.

>>16277420
I'm trans yeah...

>>16277710
Are you also trans like me?

>>16277788
No, I'm a 29 year old straight white male who is colossally obese (6'1 380 lbs)

>>16277795
based colossal poster

>>16277795
incredibly based

>>16272272
Finally another INTP bro who isnt a bitch, keep going anon we’re both gonna make it

>>16277710
The test for this site is pretty shit dont worry about it, I usually use other ones and get INTP

>>16271375
FINALLY! Another based person.

Infp are based

>>16272313
Wow, never seen this one, saved.

>>16270789
>IuFcUu
>At best, he is a self-centered, highly autistic person who is individualistic and self-seeking; at worst, he is the classic childhood schizophrenic who never develops beyond his autistic personalized world.
>He is completely succor dependent and needs constant care and attention, not because he demands it in an overt way, but because he is essentially helpless without it. Obviously, it is very difficult for the ir*u to achieve any sort of productive, adult adjustment.
I managed to hold down a job in the last few months, I can't be that bad.

>>16270789
>https://www.pasf.org/b64types/bIuFuUu.htm
>The e*r*a* is an extremely active, external environment oriented, practical minded person who has learned a social role that he plays diligently. He is very defensive against intellectual activity, is physically rugged in his interests and attitudes, and is very much concerned with the social impression he makes. He will often be forthright and decisive in order to prove that he is individualistic. He often has only the most superficial sense of compassion and empathy, but since he has negative empathy in the sense that he denies these feelings, he will be quite sadistic in his relations with others
>He has a potential for explosive, even violent behavior when thwarted or denied. Nervous activity and the tendency toward constant motor activity are also characteristic. Athletes requiring a high degree of individual conditioning, such as boxer and wrestlers are not uncommon in this cluster. These individuals tend to be highly stereotyped, manifest extreme self-confidence, brutal aggressiveness, and social-interpersonal uniformity.
WTF but I was a sweetheart as a child

so... any famous infp writers?

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