/lit/ - Literature

What’s wrong with Harold Bloom?

>>16268182
Bloom refuted himself

>>16268189
poseur

>>16268182
Nunca lo he visto criticar a Derridá. Ojalá no pierda el tiempo en hacerlo, ya que a nadie le interesa Derrida.

>>16268189
>anglo
>his canon is a joke

>>16268275
Tiene un video criticándolo, aunque es bastante corto y pasa 3 minutos hablando de Gustavo Bueno.

>>16268275
He packs a lot into it. Did he miss one of your favourites?

>>16268287
Resumiste la filosofia española desde los 90

>>16268182
>refutes Derrida
That's like refuting a bag of Scrabble tiles.

>>16268299
Kek

>>16268182
What does he have to say about blink-182

>>16268182
watched his lecture on cervantes and shakespeare because the title sounded cool, all he said was shakespeare not real therefore cervantes is better, a whole bunch of spaniard cope

>>16268287
>pasa 3 minutos hablando de Gustavo Bueno
Y cuándo no

>>16268296
You should see some of the videos where he discuss his own hispanic-based canon, so you understand how retarded the Bloom one is. Maestro's canon doesn't care about what reddit like intellectuals -angloacademicist circlejerking domain- want to add to a kind of politico-academic imperial subjectivization.

>>16268299
lmao

>>16268182
Who?

>>16268337
was it in English?

>>16268182
This dude needs to remake some of his videos in English, imagine the impact.

>>16268373
The Harold Bloom equivalent for Spanish, kinda memey, literary traditional and a harsh critic of postmodern theory.

>>16268409
What's his name? This meme has intrigued me. I wanna watch one

>>16268412
Jesús G. Maestro

>>16268275
>Harold Bloom
>Anglo

>>16268414
Cheers

>>16268409
He's a cripto Spanish [cultural] supremacists. He also made a literature theory book called "Critique of Literary Reason", ala Kant. With that take it as you please.

>>16268182
A NEW CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED

>>16268412
>>16268412
Jesus G. Maestro.
>Me río yo del Michel Foucault que dice que el autor es una función social. ¡El autor no es una función social, hombre! El autor es el que construye las ideas que usted y yo leemos, objetivadas en obras literarias... que nos sobrevivirán a todos nosotros. ¿Qué coño de una función social, qué coño del autor ha muerto? ¡Si Cervantes está más vivo que Dios!

>>16268444
This cuck disabled all the comments and deleted his social media.

what's his issue with Derrida?

>>16268456
He's french.

>>16268458
But Derrida's an Algerian Jew

>>16268449
As every sane person should do. Imagina abrirle las puertas a la tormenta de mierda, similar a la de esta página, en vídeos de exposición filosófica; un despropósito tremendo.

>>16268456
https://youtu.be/ugxGGX2iBDc
https://youtu.be/kqi5D1HlAqg
https://youtu.be/3M-uXVaXIjI
>>16268458
Also this

>>16268182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXW4QNBEMyI

OH NONONONONONO

>>16268458
>imagine being refuted by Fracasología.

>>16268444
>unironically supports poliamory

>>16268462
No digo que no sea lo más sensato, pero digo ¿no creció así?

>>16268468
Lmao

Non English speaking opinions aren't relevant to serious scholarship

>>16268471
>Unironically against polyamory

>>16268495
Absolutamente degenerado

>>16268449
Maestro igual tiene los comentarios desactivados

>>16268501
Is that the Plato of the Modern Age?

>The hispanosphere must take academic positions against the global, academic discourse of the anglosphere and against all of their ideological and political operations whose agents are planted in postmodern and decadent universities.
>This type of institution has lowered the teaching of literature at every level and grade and has replaced it with the myth of culture. It insists upon its error by trying to force the hispanosphere to substitute true literary studies with cultural studies.

Based thread

>>16268501

>>16268436
Its not critical in the kantian way, it is critical in the spanish scholastic way. They are trying to reapropiate everything that was stolen from them by the germans and the frenchs.

>>16268373
Jesus Gonzalez Maestro

>>16268536
Based af

>>16268546
>Its not critical in the kantian way, it is critical in the spanish scholastic way
I was refering to the book title, but yes, well put.
>They are trying to reapropiate everything that was stolen from them by the germans and the frenchs.
Suarez adn friends.

>>16268528
Indeed

>>16268182
>>16268444
>>16268501
>>16268528
>>16268586
Who?

>>16268617
See
>>16268468

>>16268617
Jesús G. Maestro
Ernesto Castro
Gustavo Bueno (pbuh)
Also, check'em

>>16268337
Lol no, that's not the only thing he says.

>>16268337
>another post of an anglo being filtered by real theory
lmao, you can't even try

>>16268182 (OP)
un verdadero patricio

>>16268182
did moldbug get a haircut?

>>16268748
kek

>>16268446
What a retard. Cringe.

>>16268317
I miss you, miss you

>>16269290
Why?

>>16269290
Seething french/anglo

>>16268275
>Harold “née Lev” Bloom
>Anglo

>>16270268
Anglos are so mindcucked that they follow a retarded Jew when it comes to their canon lmfao

>>16268446

Society is an incubator keeping the biologically dead metaphysically eternal.
If I decided to write in spanish I would rule the Latin speaking world you fuck retards. Chorro de pendejos

>>16268182
The one light in the time of shadows

>>16268495
Having to please one woman is already terrible enough, I don't want to be cursed with more.

todos en /lit/ hablan español? Se que es fácil pero aun me sentía especial...

>>16272288
Based file name. Fuck Chumel.

>>16268444
Who the fuck is this faggot?

>>16272501
Ernesto Castro, the philosopher of trap (music genre)

>>16268182
No mames, no sabía de la existencia de este tío, su filosofía está de puta madre. Gracias, OP, eres un maricón, indudablemente, pero basado y rojopastillado.

>>16268464
I doubt this dude knows enough about, for example, Heidegger and Husserl for his “critique” of Derrida to be non-retarded

>>16272675
The Oviedo School is probably one of, if not the, most theoretically worked out school of continental philosophy at this point. You should check some of their expositions.

>>16268464

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ogZzp_ihc

anglos btfo

>>16272243
That’s kind of the beauty of it.
I’m not one for harems. That’s what you’re describing. In polyamory one can sit it out while the other two, or three, spend time together

>>16273165
You can't btfo anybody if they can't understand you.

>>16273546
Anglos live in a semantic third world

he has a point when he says that Shakespeare could be compared with second tier Spanish authors like Calderon de la Barca.

>>16273165
>someone name a philosopher from England, or Germany... an American philosopher—I apologize for the oxymoron—
That was savage kek

>>16268182
anyone who thinks they can refute Derrida has not read Derrida

This guy is nothing more than essentialist cope. He makes a fuss about reason and science but his theories are assertions made without any empirical evidence. His arguments against Derrida, Nietzsche etc. are feeble- muh author! muh science! He knows it too.

>>16272729
Doubt

It's actually quite telling that he decries Bloom's canon (a meme unto itself) for being excessively Anglocentric, while at the same time he promotes a Hispanocentric canon as if it changed anything. Also, his self-promotion is hilarious.

>>16268182
Is derrida worth refuting?

>>16268182
His hairline is refuting him

>>16274198
He refutes himself by being a pseud

>>16275747
He promotes no canon of his own, though. He thinks Cervantes is the best author of all time the same way Bloom believed Shakespeare was. One of them is right.

>su crítica de 3 volúmenes cuesta 200 euros
Que lo parió.

>>16268444
Based cuckold

>>16275822
Certainly he does. He even has some videos about the "30 most important literary works according to the Critique of Literary Reason". You said it yourself: he thinks Cervantes is the greatest author of all time. How is not that promoting a canon of his own making? Moreover, his canon is completely Hispanocentric, first by placing Cervantes as the center of the canon (something that even Bloom would have agreed to an extent), and then by denying Shakespeare's being part of it, on purely political grounds, mind you. And anyway, if the canon has a center, it is shared by Homer and the Bible, for everything else springs from them, directly or indirectly, including both Shakespeare and Cervantes.

It'd be interesting if he actually made a critique of the concept of the canon (not to deny it like the so-called School of Resentment, but to reaffirm it and understand it), instead of merely changing its supposed center of gravity. If the Anglo-American academic tradition, according to him, is at fault for being too analytical, Maestro is at fault for being excessively scholastic.

>>16275870
>denying Shakespeare's being part of it, on purely political grounds
Not purely, but it's probably where such emphasis stems from. At least judging by the YT lecture posted above. There's the historic question of Shakespeare's authorship, and the fact some are collaborations, and the fact he only wrote some poetry and plays.
I'd like to know more about his actual criticism of Shakespeare. From the video I surmised he holds it as "escapism". The points he makes about Cervantes being very clever in his use of mad characters, in contrast with Shakespeare mystic/aesthetic reasons, is quite fair.
But on the whole, this Maestro dude seems super opinionated and some of his arguments (Anglo's Julian calendar, for instance) are flimsy at best.

It must suck for a Spaniard to see how they went from Cervantes and the might of the Spanish Crown to being a nothing. It's sad, but even if Spanish was the superior culture at one time, Spanish lost.

t. third worlder

https://youtu.be/80ogZzp_ihc

Stopped watching after 10 minutes. He doesn't understand Shakespeare, nor does he care to understand Shakespeare. He ought to keep teaching about what he clearly knows, Cervantes, Rojas and Lope de Vega, instead of embarrassing himself like that.

>>16275970
>There's the historic question of Shakespeare's authorship, and the fact some are collaborations, and the fact he only wrote some poetry and plays.
But none of that matters! The authorship question is irrelevant in aesthetic terms. The fact that a few of his plays are collaborative endeavours has little to do with their merit, and it's just a common product of the dramatic culture of his time. Moreover, none of his masterpiece are collaborations. Finally, what does Maestro even mean when he says he only wrote "apenas 44 obras"? What do you mean "only some plays and poems"? Is this about quantity? Do you realize that these plays include King Lear and Antony and Cleopatra? That's a non issue.

The argument about madness is also debatable, since Maestro presupposes that Cervantes's way of portraying mad characters is the right one, and Shakespeare's is necessarily wrong. He doesn't give Shakespeare the benefit of analyzing him on his own terms, but rather on the terms of Cervantes, and that's why it fails.

A lot of the other points Maestro raises in his video are also flimsy or outright wrong, except those specifically about Cervantes. He knows his Quijote, that much is obvious. But I wonder if he has even read Shakespeare in English? I wanted to listen to the whole thing, but I can't tolerate such unabashed stupidity and bias.

>>16276017
He's trying to set out an objective reason why Shakespeare stands as the greatest writer of all times only through political backing, so a suspicious authorship and narrow scope, are two easy things to attack.
>Cervantes's way of portraying mad characters is the right one
It's the one with more depth under a "constructive" or edifying view of literature. The best literature is the one that helps you understand the world better (as well as other literature), not just the one with the more exquisite aesthetic or emotional depth (which is basically subjective and falsifiable). I don't agree with this view, but then, I'm an agnostic (through ignorance) of literary criticism.

>>16276084
>He's trying to set out an objective reason why Shakespeare stands as the greatest writer of all times only through political backing, so a suspicious authorship and narrow scope, are two easy things to attack.
I do agree that part of Shakespeare's fame is due to political backup from the British (and then American) Empire. Maestro raises a few good points there. But then the attack should be directed at those institutions instead of at Shakespeare. And then he even tries to argue that Shakespeare is a "polizón del canon", not based on the "objective" quality of his writing, but, again, on political grounds. The fact that Shakespeare wrote only in some genres and not in others shouldn't even be considered grounds for criticism, so that immediately should warn us that Maestro's take is biased and even faulty.

>It's the one with more depth under a "constructive" or edifying view of literature. The best literature is the one that helps you understand the world better (as well as other literature), not just the one with the more exquisite aesthetic or emotional depth (which is basically subjective and falsifiable).
In that sense, Maestro might be right (although I still think it's up to debate). Still, it's too narrow a point of view. In the end, I think he raises valid concerns but directs them at the wrong target because of his nationalism. You are right in pointing out that it must be terrible to be a Spaniard, one day a member of an empire and the next a nobody. But in a sense I'm glad that's how it went.

t. also "third worlder"

>>16275970
>(Anglo's Julian calendar, for instance) are flimsy at best.
The calendar thing is objectively true. There’s no room for speculation there. You could argue Maestro’s interpretation of Don Quixote more than you can argue against what he said about building up a myth by switching up dates on the calendar.

>>16276239
I was referring to the choice of calendar to describe a retrograde empire, which was one of the points he raised. Newton died and England had not yet adopted the Gregorian calendar.

>>16268337
a literal lie.
beware of the eternal anglo.

>>16268182
Explain philosophical materialism to me

>>16273165
Si ni siquiera sabe leer en inglés...

>>16275817
You haven’t read him and you don’t have sufficient erudition to pass such judgements

>>16268182
Bloom's canon is irrelevant now. The new canon of essential literature is

-My Twisted World
-How to Bomb the US Government
-Industrial Society and It's Future
-Principles of Mathematical Analysis
-Categories for the Working Mathematician
-On Formally Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems
-In Contradiction
-Prometheus Rising
-Top Ten Games You Can Play In Your Head By Yourself
-Modular Elliptic Curves and Fermat's Last Theorem/Ring Theoretic Properties of Certain Hecke Algebras
-Against Method
-The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
-Sonichu (comic)
-GNU General Public License

>>16276624
What the fuck are any of these books? Where's all the literature lmao

>spics fellating Cervantes because it

>>16276895
>was the only thing of note in their literature for hundreds of years at certain point

>>16276502
>philosophical materialism
something something symploke, something something cierre categorial
http://www.filosofia.org/filomat/df788.htm

>>16276884
>romanticist

>>16276512
estudió en estados unidos o inglaterra, no recuerdo cual

Where should I start with Gustavo Bueno?

>Fuck Jesús Maestro

>>16279591
Is there a video where Castro BTFOs Maestro?

>>16279611
They had a controversy little before Castro left philosophical materialism, but he didn't refute him or anything.

>>16268444
>>16279591
>supports poliamory
>compares murdering an animal with the holocaust
>makes a book on the philosophy of trap
Why do you take him seriously?

han escuchado los ultimos videos sobre 100 ADS?.

Que alguien le explique a Maestro que lo del disparo en el corazon es una referencial al suicidio de José Asunción Silva.

I hope Gustavo Bueno threads become a meme

>>16279591
This guy is the biggest pseud in Spain. It just baffles me that they made him a university teacher

>>16280687
How is he a pseud? Even though I disagree on most of what he says, he is pretty well-read for his age.

>>16280705
I'm not saying he's not well read, but he's a sophist who has literally nothing to say. He stands for nothing but a bunch of postmodern edgy movements, some of them outright anti-intellectual ones, and he got where he is through his daddy's connections as well as clever use of social media (by interviewing "trendy" people such as trap wiggers). He's fodder for hipster normie teens who want to feel smart after their long sessions of Instagram

>>16280705
>>16280778
He presents himself as a human bibliography of philosophy, the truly embodiment of university Doxography. But people have made him the critic that he just parrots the content of the manuals, like Copleston, for his classes.