/lit/ - Literature

>>16258323
Our main instincts might be the same, but we are extremely different lmao

>>16258323
obvious bait, sage

>>16258323
We are culturally and genetically very different.

>>16258323
>tfw you realize that all mass "ideologies", including supposedly anti-capitalist, exist solely to serve economic interests of the rich and powerful
Books for this feel?

>>16258478
the technological society by ellul
the forest passage by jünger

>>16258497
>jünger
Yikes and hard pass.
>the technological society by ellul
Looks like dumbed-down Barthes.

>>16258549
>doesn’t like based Jünger
Kike detected

Earth to fellow Americans: we need immigrant labor to compete with China and the only way to do that is through immigration, unless you want to outsource your jobs and have the money spent overseas. Brainlet retarded Trump supporters can’t understand economics.

>>16258908
excellent bait, I had a reply typed out

>>16258323
If open borders are real then the settlers of north america did nothing wrong

>>16258938
Beautiful.

>>16258908
I want China to destroy the west, Amerilards don't have the choice to pick a new master.

>>16258938
>uh, sry sweety but everything white people do is inherently wrong

>>16258966
Unironically. You've genocided countless people.

>>16258998
Maybe open borders wasn't such a hot idea, afterall.

>>16258908
Less obvious with the bait next time

>>16258938
>coming to countries and being welcomed by majority of the population
>coming and slaughtering the majority
There might be a little difference there, cracker.

>>16258478
Baudrillard and Zizek

>>16258908
What's the point of a military?

>>16258323
>>16258342

>>16258323
>globalization good, let's enslave everyone equally
Rightwingers are so irredeemably cringe.

>>16258908
>compete with China
why would we want to do that? they don't have any niggers. i'm on the side of whoever doesn't have any niggers. we've got niggers, so i'm not on our side, and they don't have any niggers, so they can roll right over us for all i care, as long as they solve the nigger problem. it's not like we rule ourselves, so what difference does it make if our rulers are from afar instead of "here"?
>inb4 "hurr durr but then you wouldn't be able to criticize the government!"
i can't criticize niggers now (the protected class of our present rulers), so what difference does it make? i'm still censored either way. at least with them i'll have less to complain about in the first place
>inb4 "but muh tienanmen square!"
you're just jealous
>inb4 accusing me of being a chinese spy
my english is too good desu

The Statue of Liberty isn’t supposed to be Jewish

>>16260595
Or male.

>>16258938
Open border were "real" until quite recently, dumbass.

>>16258323
this just promotes unsustainable growth in western countries and leaves the countries they fled eternally impoverished. Yes there will be suffering, but by growing on their own along with others of their culture, they will build something they feel like they and their culture created, a nation-state. Open borders removes the ethnocultural roots of one country and dilutes the already homogenous western countries, causing unrest and collisions between cultures.

We need to depopulate by allowing more developed countries i.e. Germany Japan, Italy, most other western countries in a few decades who were beginning natural population decline (before the borders started opening up to impoverished countries with high fertility rates in the west at least) to decline further and put less strain on Earth's natural resources. These highly developed ethnostates (like denmark, sweden, japan, other countries with high HDI) would have to spend less resources taking care of impoverished people from other countries. This means they could devote more time and resources to developing science that can help us explore space and find more places for humans to live as the centuries go on and we continue to exhaust the earth's resources. We should also use some excess wealth to give aid to the poorer countries, but we shouldn't have to import massive swathes of them only for them to reproduce so much and exhaust the country's welfare.

>>16259357
Yeah the case of the American Indian is more like a warning to white people; if you don't fight and win you will be replaced. Most immigrants are at best indifferent to the future of the white race and their children usually despise us, so they have to be repelled or we have to start a new nation. Simple as

>>16261233
there is no white race

>>16258908
Based and American hegemony pilled
Also let's war with Iran to end the biggest state sponsor of terror already

>>16258998
Not enough apparently.

>>16261272
There are numerous white ethnicities which, for all intents and purposes, can be grouped together collectively as the white race.

>>16261300
>There are numerous white ethnicities which, for all intents and purposes, can be grouped together collectively as the white race.
no there aren't and no they can't

>>16261272
Well, the different European races decided after coming into contact with non-Europeans that they should (for political reasons) set aside their differences and become White. It's not as if the bleating hordes of rest of the world care to discriminate between the Irishman and the Czech, or the Walloon and the Bavarian. In fact, despite your assertion that the White Race is a non-concept, you are concretely aware that the fingers that typed this post are those of a member of the White Race that you so hate. Isn't it funny that you spend so much time seething over a fantasy? Might want to take your meds

>>16258908
Automation will take the immigrants jobs. When we expire the last of our fossil fuels and clean water politics and competing with China will not matter.

>>16261320
i typed a one liner you are the one seething

>>16260408
>rightwingers

Oh No no no

>>16260408
It's one thing to say people don't have an obligation to help others get food. It's another thing to say we should use the strong arm of the state to stop them from feeding themselves using force.

>>16258323
Last time we had open borders white people just killed a bunch of people

>>16261308
Are you retarded? All European ethnicities are essentially white. If you group them together, we can call them the white race. Or any other term you like. But white race works.

>>16261469
And now we have open borders and newly arrived sandniggers kill white people.

>>16260386
Does this chimp shit nigger actually expect me to read this? Fuck off

>>16261050
that really depends on how we are defining "recently", dumbass. but keep ignoring how the world pop has quadrupled from 2b to 8b in 75 years.

>>16261487
It doesn't. Race is a spook, to believe otherwise is the result of a lacking education.

>>16261529
Bad bait but I'll bite. Europeans have white skin. Fact. That makes them white ethnicities. Fact. If we group them together, we can call them a group of white ethnicites. In other words, the white race. Or just Europeans. Just because you don't like the word race doesn't mean the concept has no value.

>>16261535
Japs and Koreans also have white skin.

>>16261529
Also if you defer to education / authority you've lost before you started. Think for yourself, smooth brain.

>>16261538
No, they have yellow skin, retard. They don't have the same gene for white skin Europeans have.

>>16261535
Sure, people have different skintones, and this is useful to know if you're going to market sunscreen to people. But race as such is still a social construct.
>>16261540
"the people who study this don't agree with me" isn't an argument, no matter what you call it.

>>16261628
>skintone is a social construct

>>16261628
1) Not if the colour of the skin also correlates to other socio-cultural factors. It's a good descriptor of the combined European peoples. There are obvious similarities besides skin colour between different white ethnicities that are not shared by non-white ethnicities. Call it a social construct if you will, but that doesn't make the concept invalid.
2) Neither is deferring to authority of education when education nowadays merely means you've been indoctrinated into one singular worldview/pseudo-religion.

Congratulations, you've said absolutely nothing.

>>16261648
Nice strawman.

>>16258323

That's not what matters anyway
I mean who really cares why people are different? People who value theory over reality I suppose
Doesn't change the fact that homogeneous societies simply get along better

>>16261652
>Not if the colour of the skin also correlates to other socio-cultural factors
They correlate, but there's no inherent relationship and that's the point. Because so called racial differences are largely skin deep.
>Call it a social construct if you will, but that doesn't make the concept invalid
For what purposes is it "valid"? I could say there's only two human races, those with attached and those with free earlobes, and defend that distinction as valid on the basis that as an observable fact, people have different earlobes.
>Neither is deferring to authority
I didn't, I simply said you're not knowledgeable in the subject.

>>16261671
This, we're wired to automatically trust people who look like us more than people who don't look like us. That's why homogeneous societies are often "high trust societies." This high trust dissipates when you introduce foreign elements, as in Europe.

>>16261675
>They correlate, but there's no inherent relationship and that's the point.
Doesn't invalidate the usefulness of the concept.
> Because so called racial differences are largely skin deep.
No they're not. The only difference between a European and an African is not just skin colour and if you really think that, you're retarded.
>For what purposes is it "valid"? I could say there's only two human races, those with attached and those with free earlobes, and defend that distinction as valid on the basis that as an observable fact, people have different earlobes.
Do these peoples with attached earlobes behave differently than those without? If so, you could make that distinction. If not, then not. Like I said, skin colour correlates with behaviour, and that is why it's a valid concept. Even if there is no direct causation.
>I didn't, I simply said you're not knowledgeable in the subject.
I'm willing to bet I've read more and more varied stances on the subject than you. If you defer to authority you've lost before you started.

>>16261511
>posts on a literature forum
>doesn't want to read

>>16261675
>largely
so you admit they are not skin dep... yeah i guess it was really obvious they weren't in the first place huh... wow guess thats the end of the discussion

>>16261687
>Doesn't invalidate the usefulness of the concept
From a sociological standpoint, sure. Spooks still hold power over people.
>The only difference between a European and an African is not just skin colour
Wider noses, body hair, subcutaneous fat etc. Skin colour isn' t the only difference, and I didn't say that either.
>Do these peoples with attached earlobes behave differently than those without?
If you segregated these groups and assigned them different places in the social hierarchy, and you do this for hundreds of years then yeah, you'd expect some cultural differences to develop.
>I'm willing to bet I've read more and more varied stances on the subject than you
/pol/ infographics don't count lol

>>16261707
kek

>>16261707
I mean there's bone marrow transplants, which you people love to bring up. Doesn't mean race isn't a social construct.

>>16261713
>From a sociological standpoint, sure. Spooks still hold power over people.
You again said absolutely nothing.
>Wider noses, body hair, subcutaneous fat etc. Skin colour isn' t the only difference, and I didn't say that either.
BEHAVIOUR. Are you so retarded you only look surface deep or what?
>If you segregated these groups and assigned them different places in the social hierarchy, and you do this for hundreds of years then yeah, you'd expect some cultural differences to develop.
So like thousands of years of separate evolution on different continents does? You've basically made my argument for me now. Yes, different races have evolved differently because of segregation. And as a result they look and behave differently. Shocker.
>/pol/ infographics don't count lol
This is why people don't take muh education nerds like you seriously. I have a bookcase full of relevant material, but you're actually the one who hasn't even educated himself and just regurgitates propaganda without examining it. Certified retard.

>>16261720
It being a social construct doesn't invalidate it.

>>16261720
Even hard science is socially constructed to some degree though. And morality is a spook but I seriously doubt you'd fare well in a world without it. Anyway, a reactive white racial consciousness will appear in due course if they don't tone down the antiwhite propaganda, which they won't.

>>16261729
>You again said absolutely nothing.
Not at all. Race matters because we live in a society, but it's not actually down to these genetic differences you people like to imagine exist.
>So like thousands of years of separate evolution on different continents does?
Eskimo culture differs greatly from Arabic culture, but it's because they've had to contend with very different conditions for life, not because of the ephemeral, ever changing concept of "race".
>You've basically made my argument for me now.
Not even close.
>This is why people don't take muh education nerds like you seriously
You should be able to take some light banter.

>>16261774
Both logic and the scientific method are social constructs, yes. With morality there's an argument to be had, one which I don't feel like having.

>>16261774
>Even hard science is socially constructed to some degree though.
This is why lit rejects scientific bugmen.

>>16261653
That is the conclusion you are forced to assent to if you accept that a grouping of people can have a meaningful shared trait that is of biological origin while also saying that groupings are necessarily social constructs. Skin tone variation across groups itself contradicts the notion that human population groups are biologically indistinguishable, which is the premise of the social constructionist argument. This fact is obfuscated by the assertion that "you shouldn't care about skin color", which is a moral claim, even though the fact that variations in skin color did arise proves that biological divergence between population groups did occur. This observation obviously energizes racist interpretations, since it shows that meaningful population group divergence can and did occur, so there is no reason to assume that it could not have also occurred in other domains as well insofar as other domains (temperament, musculature, intelligence, disease resistance) are biologically determined phenomena.

Of course, it is to avoid this logic that we are told that skin color is irrelevant, despite it having palpable relevance in daily life, at least in Summertime (and for dark-skinned people that develop vitamin D deficiency when they live far from the equator).

>>16261778
>Not at all. Race matters because we live in a society, but it's not actually down to these genetic differences you people like to imagine exist.
Reality disagrees with you buddy. It sounds good in theory, but doesn't work like that in practice. People are wired to drift towards those who have most in common with them.
>Eskimo culture differs greatly from Arabic culture, but it's because they've had to contend with very different conditions for life, not because of the ephemeral, ever changing concept of "race".
If you take race as a result of evolution in different environments it does. Which is what race is. Owned yourself once again.
>Not even close.
Yet you keep doing it. You're arguing that segregration creates differences, all I say is that over time these differences become so distinct they are categorizable. Yes where the line is drawn is arbitrary to a certain extent (are middle-easterners white? some would say yes, some no), but it's still a very useful concept if delineated clearly.
>You should be able to take some light banter.
>Uh it was just a joke bro!
You can't expect me to see the difference when all your arguments look like jokes.

>>16261092
>this just promotes unsustainable growth in western countries and leaves the countries they fled eternally impoverished.
But the GDP goes up!

>>16261804
>Reality disagrees with you buddy
Reality is squarely in my corner, buddy.
>If you take race as a result of evolution in different environments it does.
Humans haven't been separated long enough for this to be the case. Again, it's mostly down to superficial differences like skin colour, body hair etc.
>Yet you keep doing it
It's meaningful concept because muh society, but biologically it's much less interesting. Like if we put the freaks with attached earlobes into modern bantustans.

>>16261822
>Reality is squarely in my corner, buddy.
Ah yes, that's why America is burning right now.
>Humans haven't been separated long enough for this to be the case.
Science disagrees with you. A few generations is enough for genetic shift to produce behavioural differences. Imagine what that does when a few groups are separated from eachother over thousands of years. I can't take you seriously anymore, you supposed educated person.
>Again, it's mostly down to superficial differences like skin colour, body hair etc.
Why do you keep ignoring the behavioural aspect? If what you said were true, these differences would dissipate after several generations in another society/culture. Hint: they don't. It's deeper than skin. SS Africans have lower inhibition on average due to brain structure. That's deeper than just culture.
>It's meaningful concept because muh society, but biologically it's much less interesting.
It's meaningful in both, but you don't want to see one side of it because of some preconceived prejudice you have towards the concept of race.

>>16258549
>>jünger
>Yikes and hard pass.
Out.

>>16261835
I can tell this poster is ugly as fuck in rea life. I can just tell.

>>16261838
How can you even say that you're based and redpilled if you don't read Jünger, listen to Sabaton, and wear velcro combat boots in the summer?

>>16261822
>Humans haven't been separated long enough for this to be the case.
Clearly they have, since you literally blew the fuck out of yourself one sentence later.

>>16261846
Yes, I look like Quasimodo. Now what?

>>16261868
just saying i got those ugly vibes. nothin personnel

>>16261872
No worries, I prefer being ugly to being a retard like yourself.

>>16261822
Biological divergence/evolution can occur in an extremely short amount of time if selection pressures are extreme enough. It only takes millions of years if selection pressures are very weak. Also “superficiality” is completely irrelevant as it relates to the development of divergent population group traits because the fact that group differences in traits occurred at a “superficial” level proves that biological group differences can occur. If “racist” divergence in the domain of intellect for example were to occur, it would occur by the same process that produced your “superficial” differences, insofar as intellect is a biological phenomenon.

>>16261876
>No worries, I prefer being ugly to being a retard like yourself.
kek whata comeback, Anon.

>>16261887
Thanks.