/lit/ - Literature

I'm sorry that you have to suffer through the coming hell, but America has to be destroyed sooner rather than later, before it spreads its cancer even further.

They're stupid people who own no property and don't know how insurance works.

>>16258279
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAH WAH WAHHHHHH

nooooooooooo not the fascism-enabling petit bourgeois :(((((

>insurance companies
>good

lmfao

>>16258279
I am worried this will only help Trump win.

>>16258339
Post physique

>>16258349
yea this is BIDEN'S AMERICA
(never mind that it's happening during Trump's presidency)

>>16258279
If it's any consolation, I read that the feds denied federal relief funds to Minneapolis. Lol. Lefties are actual retards.

>>16258365
>(never mind that it's happening during Trump's presidency)
You are like a child trashing his room because he's mad at his parents for making him follow the rules and then blaming it on them

>>16258365
In Democrat run cities. Don't be an idiot. Biden has thrown his lot in with these people.

>>16258374
in what way?
is Trump making anyone follow the rules?

>>16258376
>Biden has thrown his lot in with these people
yea i couldn't believe it when Biden said he was pro-burning buildings down
wild stance

>>16258388
He's letting them sit in their own filth. Why would he jeopardize his campaign by sending more feds in to the uphold the laws that the city politicians and their police refuse to do? It's their mess, they can clean it up.

>>16258399
He's endorsing the groups of people who have been complicit in that behavior.

You need to be 18 to post here.

>>16258404
so in your analogy, Trump is the parent who is letting their child set his room on fire, because he doesn't want to upset the child or his brothers and sisters, so he can continue to be the parent
damn, that's some strong parenting

>>16258365
The democrat mayors and governors refuse any assistance from Trump. Whenever Trump does perform the slightest bit of force the media and democrats scream fascist. Fucking Kamala Harris and other Biden staffers have literally raised bail money for these fucking human cockroaches. Ducking democrats to this day still claim it’s white supremacists and Russia behind all the violence.

People aren’t stupid there’s a reason the polls have spiked for Trump in the past couple weeks.

>>16258416
The child can clean up his own room

>>16258349
Biden does not appear to need any help in doing that.

>>16258416
The President has limited powers. He can't just come in, whenever he wants, and "clean up" states. Mayors/governors/whatever are refusing govt. help when it's offered. Not much else that the President can do besides declare an Insurrection Act, but that requires certain parameters be met.

So, yes, he's letting them wallow in it since he can't even do anything else, really.

I've heard alt-right types call these people lumpenproles. Makes sense. Literal scum of the earth with no ideology but to destroy. Most antifa are upper middle class white or Jewish kids. They're bratty and petty. Some of them are poor people and drug addicted. Working class youth are typically good kids who want to shoot guns and have good honest fun.

>>16258416
They literally refuse his assistance. He could go ahead anyway, but then democrats would call him a fascist. You’re probably right and Trump is partially holding back because the chaos is driving up his poll numbers and democrats have found themselves at the wrong end of order, but it was democrats that put themselves in this situation by openly supporting and enabling these moronic radicals that push such retarded policies as defund the police.

>>16258279
You know if you’re making a controversial claim you need to supply evidence by citation and quotation.

The correct Marxist attitude is that the petits bourgeois owners should have been executed for their crimes btw.

Trump's been inciting violence for 6 years
right-wing and white supremacist terrorism account for the vast majority of terrorism in the US
Trump's loving this; it's all going according to plan

>>16258477
Did Marx say that or is that Lenin speaking?

>>16258491
>it’s acshually da white supremacists
How’re you people real?

What's so complex about it? Marxists will always prefer that a business-owning middle-class wouldn't exist. Too many people with stakes in capitalism that you'd have to kill later (or before) - much like the kulaks. For their wet dreams is much better to have all-pervasive, oligopolistic big corps that you'll only have to nationalize once and kill a couple of board members. Amazon, Google are excellent, really.
Even if that doesn't happen, you'd be good. Maybe you'll be able to grift a little inside big corps with racial sensibility lectures, maybe they'll sponsor your research about some idiotic topic. Maybe, if you actually can believe it, unionizing and radicalizing the working force of those gigantic companies would facilitate any revolutionary struggle.
So, yes, the business-owning American middle-class is the greatest enemy. Bezos is really the greatest ally.
Of course none of this will happen (except the grifting). Big corporations will only grow stronger and more powerful. Unionization will always be diligently stopped. No revolution will come. The impoverished middle-class will become increasingly fascistic, just like the good ol days.

shooting protestors is fine, life insurance will cover it

>>16258279

It's true, I gotta say. Bump for you OP.

>>16258279
Back in the day radical marxists used to assassinate politicians and businessmen. They've been successfully pacified by the neoliberal overlords.

>>16258461
if only they actually read Marx and Engels, the opinion these two had of their dear lumenproletariat were absolutely histerical

this is literally what marxists do dude, how it it not marxist? chances are the people running these businesses would have either opposed the revolution or the revolutionary government and would have to be purged anyway. communism is about killing half the working class and enslaving the rest, not liberating them

>>16258569
They have.

Ok. How is this related in any way to literature?

>>16258339
"Marxism" in America shows its true face, literally "we must defend jews at any cost all else is secondary"

>>16258374
You are like a child who hasn't yet realized ZioDon is not an "outsider", he is a card carrying member of the american uniparty, "pedoparty" for the insiders

>>16258339
and whats wrong with fascism? is fascism bad because they commit mass violence against people like you? thats not really a good talking point when youre arguing about genocide half the working class , it makes fascists sound like heroes

>Americans think Twitter is a book
Sounds about right.

leftoids have always hated the middle class for being "exploitative," even though nowadays a considerable amount of them has no problems being paypigs for kids of rich jews or wasps doing a heccin praxerino by regurgitating wiki articles about leftism on podcasts and youtube videos

>>16258580
To be clear I’m right leaning but imo Marx is not given enough credit by our side, he makes a lot of damn good points particularly in how the industrial revolution either destroyed or completely transformed people’s way of life in a rapid amount of time. We would do well to incorporate some parts of Marxism.

The left I feel as well, particularly the modern day bourgeois left, seems to me at least as misread on Marxism as those in the right. Idk if they just don’t read him and only crop the aesthetic, but it’s like they play into the caricature of the utterly naive but not so secretly sadistic retards libertarians have painted of them.

>>16258399
This isn't Reddit. You have to make actual arguments on here.

Right wing life > right wing property > repurposed left wing property > left wing life

>>16258640
I feel like there is a lot of potential for redpilling Leftist kids about banks. They already dislike banks but they don't seem to realize just how insidious they are. Rare point of agreement between far left and right.

>>16258500
White supremacists/right wing terrorists kill far more people than left wing terrorists. That's an irrefutable fact retard, look it up. Facts don't care about your feelings

>>16258732
Detroit counts as a perpetual left wing terrorist event

>>16258732
Not him, but you did not say murder, you said terrorism.

>>16258748
I'm not him either. There are more incidents of rightwing rightwing terrorism in america than left wing. They also kill more people.

>>16258763
>it’s da white supremacists burning down small businesses

>>16258279
These are bourgeois protests. The whole "trained marxists" thing was always, always a joke. Cops should stop shooting poor people. We will always need cops, they will always need to be able to shoot people. BLM is an organization oriented to securing NGO jobs, college and graduate school scholarships, and cush journalism gigs for the opportunistic children of the black political class. They've created a system for bourgeois liberal elite to inform on each other, another weapon in their arsenal of social warfare against each other. That said, those who actually read and follow the theory of marx do not have a monopoly on calling themselves marxists, so we certainly need a better name for people who reject liberal social norms including "identity politics," and who appreciate a materialist and class based approach to revolution. This is an ongoing conflict, part of the greater tapestry of meaningless leftist infighting.

>muh organic cawwwwfeeeeeee stoooooop got burned down!!
Don’t care

The modern Left isn't Marxist is an ideological sense, but Marxism has influenced how the Left interprets social structures.

>>16258640
>We would do well to incorporate some parts of Marxism.
Yes.

>>16258640
Not a righwinger nor a leftist, but Im much more inclined to read Marx after this image hahaha
>>16258709
Give me more on this, too. I hate banks and bankers

>>16258796
There are more right wing terror events in america than left wing terror. Looting and burning is not a terrorist act. There is no ideology or manifesto to it besides "gibsmedat" It's a morally reprehensible act, but it's not terrorist. We're on lit, try reading a book instead of opening up /pol/ tomorrow.

>Marxists who deride capitalism for its materialism and emptiness, yet lament for a world ruled by the most brute and detestable being of all, the working class man.

>>16258886
Ur mum brutal and detestable

>>16258886
Marxists are for the self-abolition of the proletariat. They won't exist post-revolution. They'll be fully self actualized Renaissance Men.

>>16258492
That’d be Marx. Lenin cooperated with them.

>>16258884
It’s certainly destroyed more communities then whatever the fuck you’re on about. These businesses were already hurting from the shutdown, most of them that got burned down aren’t gonna come back. Can you even imagine the far reaching economic and social impacts this shit is gonna have?

Also give me that bullshit we all know exactly the ideology of all the antifa fags behind this shit.

>>16258925
I agree with you but let's not act like this is unprecedented- riots with a ton of property damage have happened intermittently since like the 1850s.

>>16258925
*dont give me

>>16258893
>They won't exist post-revolution. They'll be fully self actualized Renaissance Men.
that's why Marxists should stick to critiquing capitalism and keep their retarded fairy tales to themselves

>>16258893
Do marxists really believe this? In 200 years of universal education this never happened

>>16258932
At this precipitous point it is incredibly impactful. Do you not fuckin
g understand society and the economy is on the brink right now? We’re inching above water.

>>16258943
no that doesn't count

>>16258944
Based. Be sure to vote red straight ticket in November to accelerate American demise

>>16258943
Yes, Trotsky said we would all rise to the level of Goethe or Marx himself and beyond. They view your lot in life as mostly constituted by the sum of social relations, you just take away the oppressive and alienating class antagonism and bingo.

>>16258279
It's a false dichotomy. Burning down mom and pop's shop and putting them on the streets or driving them to suicide will not stop police from shooting black men. It's quite that simple. And it won't win over people to your cause. This is why BLM is losing moral credibility and will hand Trump the election.

>>16258969
Yes vote blue and vote literally for people that are supporting these acts you call despicable.

>>16258925
What is worse? Murder or looting and burning? Personally I'd rather have everything I own burned than have my mom shot to death. Human life is more valuable than replaceable property. A few communities burning won't have far reaching economic impact kek, coronavirus will devasate most of the world's economy.

>>16258994
30 people have died in the riots. Looting and burning is no different then murder.

>>16258984
No democrat supports rioting. They picked a cop for their nominee.

>>16258974
What would happen would be the complete opposite. The Goethes of the future would be lowered to the level of the herd

>>16259002
>Looting and burning is no different then murder.
Holy moly...... this is your mind on saturated fat

>>16258969
Vote blue and preemptively give half your shit to a black person

>>16258943
> The proletariat seizes from state power and turns the means of production into state property to begin with. But thereby it abolishes itself as the proletariat, abolishes all class distinctions and class antagonisms, and abolishes also the state as state. Society thus far, operating amid class antagonisms, needed the state, that is, an organization of the particular exploiting class, for the maintenance of its external conditions of production, and, therefore, especially, for the purpose of forcibly keeping the exploited class in the conditions of oppression determined by the given mode of production (slavery, serfdom or bondage, wage-labor). The state was the official representative of society as a whole, its concentration in a visible corporation. But it was this only insofar as it was the state of that class which itself represented, for its own time, society as a whole: in ancient times, the state of slave-owning citizens; in the Middle Ages, of the feudal nobility; in our own time, of the bourgeoisie. When at last it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection, as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon the present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from this struggle, are removed, nothing more remains to be held in subjection — nothing necessitating a special coercive force, a state. The first act by which the state really comes forward as the representative of the whole of society — the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society — is also its last independent act as a state. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies down of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The state is not ’abolished’. It withers away. This gives the measure of the value of the phrase ’a free people’s state’, both as to its justifiable use for a long time from an agitational point of view, and as to its ultimate scientific insufficiency; and also of the so-called anarchists’ demand that the state be abolished overnight.

>>16259006
>>16258418
>literally the vice presidential nominee

>>16258994
Again, it's a false dichotomy. It doesn't solve the problem of cops killing black people, and it damages public opinion about the cause that claims to want to put an end to that.
It's just an excuse for shitty people with no scruples to get free stuff. There was one riot in Chicago that was caused by a black guy shooting himself. They blamed it on the cops and looted a mall.
We're dealing with some of the stupidest and irrational people in the country here.

>>16259018
>kill people
>kill people and destroy local businesses

What’s the difference?

>>16259051
>corporations are people
I forgot this was actually written into American law lmfao. The slow collapse of your failed state will entertain the world for decades.

>>16259059
30 fucking people people have died. Last time I checked that is murder.

Also you really think it’s just corporations? Look at the fucking op. These are small businesses that support and are part of the local community getting destroyed with the corporations. These people are never gonna recover from this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f4WDjxCP1Fs

>the US has destoryed everything it's touched ever since the new deal
>and now they turn on themselves
Good fucking riddance. I hope you ameritards die from your own idiocy.

>>16258886
In each of us is a stroke of genius, but we are limited in the expression of that genius by external forces that subjugate the human soul to capital. Art and culture has been a tradition of the upper class historically, this is true. But this is because art requires reflection, and one can hardly reflect when a cog in the machine of industry.

Certainly each man would not be a poet, or great painter. But he would be able to express himself and his perspective on the world, which is what art is.

>>16259078
>wahh my store burned down i can’t import knickknacks from the third world and sell them at a 1000% markup
Good, hope they die like dogs. Get a real job please.

>>16259094
>literally admits he doesn’t care if they live or die
>whole argument about murder proved to have been done in bad faith

Jannie do your fucking job please

>>16259083
If this were true then NEETs wouldn't be the waste of flesh that they are

>>16259094
Grifting is the only way to make money these days

>>16259128
In a capitalist world, NEETs are rejects and thus plagued with depression, anxiety and the sort. He consumes entertainment and media to distract himself from such ailments.

Since I lost my job due to Covid I've started reading and writing again, and as a result I feel better than I've felt through years of being "productive".

>>16259155
>In a capitalist world, NEETs are rejects and thus plagued with depression, anxiety and the sort. He consumes entertainment and media to distract himself from such ailments.
This is complete bullshit and you know it. Many of the great individuals of the past were also rejects and that didn't stop them from doing what they did.

>>16259118
Don't worry, the board is insured.

>>16259155
Literal cope post lmao

>>16258339
kyle is a saint and a hero

>>16258279
>insurance ripping people off is somehow the fault of Marxists

>>16259231
I assume you meant unironically, but just to be clear:
>this but unironically

https://streamable.com/ocow3z

>>16258279
>How are people that say this in anyway Marxist?
Literally only /pol/ is calling the protestors marxists. At most some of them support Bernie who is more equivalent to a European liberal than anyone left wing

>>16258365
It's telling Biden thinks Portland is "Trump's America." Does Biden think the president should be a totalitarian dictator that has his goons on the streets in America's cities? Portland is WHEELER's America. Wisconsin is WALZ's America. And their party? The Democrats. It's not Trump's America where this is happening. It's not in the America ran by his party. It's in the version of America Democrats oversee, and Biden has refused to address it, which means he's ok with it. If he's elected, it means taking the policies that have created these riots, and putting them at the head of the federal government.

>>16259291
>left-wing=marxism

>>16259231
It's interesting that none of the articles in the newspaper that I've read mentioned that Kyle was being assaulted when he shot those people.

>>16258279
Marx had nothing but contempt for the lumpenproletariat, which is what these criminals are.

>>16258339
Marx hated the lumpenproles even more than he hated the petite bourgeoisie.

>>16259189
Uh oh, your lunch break is over! Time to get back to work wagie!

>>16258279
They don't care about people, but ideas, high minded abstractions, pie-in-the-sky thinking.