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Which books speak about the consequences of pre-marital sex, especially towards women in the olden days? I was a massive part of our culture, but besides religious works, it's hard to find any common literatur with this in mind.

Think Heinrich Manns "The Subject", where Dietrich fucks Agnes for a while just to throw her out when she tries to get him to marry her after the fact.

>> No.16250870

The Bible

>> No.16250928
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>>16250636
Having sex with someone your in love with is ok. But sex with someone you’re not in love with brings down your worth. For a man who does is either slave or a ruthless muderer. For a woman, whether she’s a queen or a viziers daughter, it’s a death sentence. That’s what I got from 1001 Arabian Nights

>> No.16250948

>>16250928
Pre-marital sex is retarded and promotes a retarded culture, which means women, the gatekeepers, have been rightfully burdened for the consequences.

Arabian Nights are indeed a good example.

>> No.16250956

>>16250870
This. The Pauline Epistles are your go-to for sexual matters. Corinthians deals with such problems in detail.

>> No.16250982

>>16250956
I was explicitly asking for non-religious books. I am looking for the stuff people read in their free time, which depicted parts of their life, not the cultural dogma. You want to promote such things through easy reading and it being a side note leading to misery. The reader will be changed without necessarily knowing it. Be more subtle.

>> No.16250986

>>16250948
You mean you want to have a ceremony before you have sex? Lmao. When Aladdin comes down on parade dressed as Prince Ali I think he that in mind as to the Princess’ motivations. He was wrong

>> No.16251023

>>16250982
I'm not sure. Maybe Sir Walter Scott? Maybe Aesop's Fables? Mishima Yukio has a book about this that was very popular, but I'm not sure if it's been translated. It's called Lectures in Immorality or something like that.

>> No.16251030

>>16250986
No neceromy is necessary. What is necessary is a culture which means that ones you stick your noodle in a woman, you both have given up your right to date and shall work towards a family. Every non rainlet will know the consequences of pre-marital sex and single motherhood, so no need to stray away from the topic of this thread.

>> No.16251039

>>16251023
Aesops Fables? Whcih would you mean?
Any specific works of Scott you would recommend in that regard?

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>>16250928
What happens when someone falls in love with other people?

>> No.16251077

>>16251042
You don't "fall out" or "in" love. It only happens to people which do not work on their marriage, think they can get something better, actively look for a different mate or you know are shitty people. You go into marriage knowing that it's a life sentance till death does part you both. Especially when children are in the equalition. If you feel down or not as high libido as before, work on yourself insteaad of beeing a shitty human without conflict resolution skills ready to leave your spouse for a easy new model.

Do not consider marriage to be "till I'll get bored" and you won't be divorcing.

>> No.16251080

>>16251039
Bro, you know, this isn't my area of interest. All I can do is point you in the general direction of what might be interesting to you. Look into morality tales, fables, folk stories, and the like. Godspeed.

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>>16251042
how reliable are these stats ? has anyone ever actually bothered checking ?

>> No.16251144

>>16251030
>What is necessary is a culture
Good luck with that

>>16251042
>>16251083
If your gonna do something do it or don’t. But don’t show me a graph and expect me to take you seriously. This is your life, not yourlife.jpg

>> No.16251152

>>16251144
it's ok anon not everyone likes data

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>>16251152

>> No.16251281

>>16250636
the origin of the family, private property, and the state by engels

>> No.16251303

>>16251083
a lot of this stuff is chicken-and-egg stuff. you can argue that having sex earlier makes people promiscuous but you can just as easily argue that promiscuous people tend to have sex earlier (for example). either you think that nonmarital sexuality somehow turns normal people into fuck hungry animals or you take the more likely chance that some people are fuck hungry animals and would do this shit no matter what your marriage regime is like

>> No.16251313

Unironically, VNs, anime, and manga. Subahibi’s Looking Glass/Insects chapter

>> No.16251889

>>16251083
I don't care about Americans and their ways tb h

>> No.16251914

>>16250636
Tess of the d’Urbervilles

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>>16250636
Can someone make a chart?

>> No.16254162

bump

>> No.16254169

>>16250636
>I need to let the government in my bed and let them sanction my union with someone because (((they))), I mean, because it is destroying Western Civilization! I want my trad wife waaaah
Lmao...imagine being so fucking pozzed, Jesus fucking Christ.

>> No.16254171

>>16251303
If it would be nature, it would have been weeded out through death sentences of the past and what'S more important, we would see the same level of degeneracy throughout our history - which isn't the case. Early childhood sexualisation and a pro-promicious culure are promoting our culture death.

>> No.16254424

J. D. Unwin's Sex and Culture.
>>16254169
How else am I supposed to find a wife? Also, the Sexual Revolution was greatly influenced by Jews.

>> No.16254441

>>16250636
http://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_10021880_arcanum.html

http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19301231_casti-connubii.html

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/Holy7Sacraments-Matrimony.shtml

>> No.16254442

>>16250636
What movie is this? I feel like watchining some comfy black and white samurai shit tonight. Maybe I'll torrent it.

>> No.16254612

>>16254442
It's "Rashomon".

>> No.16254711

>>16250636
Marquise of O by Kleist kind of touches on this.

>> No.16254880

>>16251042
I used to work with an old man from India. He told me, "Marriage does not come after love. Love comes after marriage." When your marriage is built on a foundation of subjective love, you may decide spontaneously that you are no longer in love and leave your marriage without its base. When a social contract like marriage serves as the foundation for your love, you can never spontaneously decide that you aren't married.

>> No.16254930

>>16254880
based street shitter.

>> No.16254946

>>16254612
Oh I've already seen it - didn't recognise the screenshot though

>> No.16255067

>>16254171
>early childhood sexualization
bro the trad society you're fetishizing married girls off at 12, and they had children by 14

>> No.16255077

>>16254880
yeah and look at the kind of people were produced by a millenia of arranged marriages in india

>> No.16255092

>>16255067
bro, european marriage pattern totally disproves this, bro
not even most undeveloped european cultures, like slavic married off girs that early

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>>16250636
someone actually made this thread, on 4chan. on purpose apparently
strange days indeed

>> No.16255458

>>16254441
What in "non-religious works" do you people not understand?

>> No.16255464

>>16250636
what movie?

>> No.16255466

>>16255067
Stop falling for anti-christian kikel propaganda. While children could be egally married away, they remained in their parents household till maturity which was around 16-18 throught the whole history. Fullfilling marriage aka having sex with a younger wife was conidered unhealthy and cruel, disproven off my the whole society, similarly to how beating your wife today is. It happens, but it sure as hell isn't the norm or ideal.

>> No.16255495

>>>16255466
>they remained in their parents household till maturity which was around 16-18 throught the whole history

not him but the one falling for anachronistic propaganda is you

>> No.16255510

>>16255495
People knew that pre-pubertal sex is harmful for procreation and this was the whole role of a woman. Not only that, people also have gone slower and therefore later through puberty before the industrial revolution, which means that puberty and ssexual maturity has been reached later than todays 13 years old. You are free to believe in propaganda, but you'll only show yourself to be a brainlet with an agenda. Now may be the time to share those rare and therefore well known exceptions where the wife was still not sexually mature to make a point how those exceptions where acually the norm lol.

>> No.16256354

bump

>> No.16257045

>>16255464
Reverse google image search.

>> No.16257231

>>16254880
Based Aryan Chad

>> No.16257413

Love is an exclusivly male phenomenon. Marriage facilitates the submission of woman to the masculine ideal, as it binds her formally in subjegation to her new father, alliviating her neuroticism.

Reducing sex to something closer to a bowel movement than a trancendental act is disempowering and renders you easily controlled by such banal passions.

>> No.16257431

>>16254880
Yes, femoids cant into agape, love of the soul, that is involentary and fixed is an absurdity. All men are interchangeble in their caste. You need formal pair bonding to facilitate emotional pair bonding.

>> No.16257439

>>16255067
Only in rare cases of nobility.

>> No.16258730

Pope Benedict XVI's encyclical "Deus caritas est"