/lit/ - Literature

>>16235522
Women are not to be trusted. They do bad things because they enjoy punishment and they enjoy watching chaos.

>>16235522
because she had Free Will™
t. Milton
Also, is it canon to the Bible that the serpent was Satan or is that a retcon from Paradise Lost that many people take as canon for lack of knowing better?

>>16235522
Literally the most based human to ever exist. Without Eve we'd be stuck in the jungle, and would have never created civilization. Be thankful!

>>16235616
>They do bad things because they enjoy punishment and they enjoy watching chaos.
No they’re just dumb

Imagine letting someone tell you what you can and can‘t eat. Men have been cowards since the beginning of time.

>>16235620
>Also, is it canon to the Bible that the serpent was Satan or is that a retcon from Paradise Lost that many people take as canon for lack of knowing better?
from a quick wikipedia search

> There is no indication in the Book of Genesis that the serpent was a deity in its own right, although it is one of only two cases of animals that talk in the Pentateuch (Balaam's donkey being the other)
>There is a debate about whether the serpent in Eden should be viewed figuratively or as a literal animal. According to one midrashic interpretation in Rabbinic literature, the serpent represents sexual desire;[14] another interpretation is that the snake is the yetzer hara. Modern Rabbinic ideas include interpreting the story as a psychological allegory where Adam represents reasoning faculties, Eve the emotional faculties, and the serpent the hedonic sexual/physical faculties.[15] Voltaire, drawing on Socinian influences, wrote: "It was so decidedly a real serpent, that all its species, which had before walked on their feet, were condemned to crawl on their bellies. No serpent, no animal of any kind, is called Satan, or Belzebub, or Devil, in the Pentateuch."[16]

>>16235522
I really love Blake's artwork.

>>16235522
Because the Jewish roots of western society made the mistake of pushing the most admirable values of humankind onto women after mistaking them as shameful.

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>>16236126
now THIS is based

>>16235522
tricked by the jews

>>16235522
god facilitated the eating of the apple. he allowed it to happen because it needed to happen.

>>16236155
how would they know disobeying god is evil without the "knowledge of good and evil"™

>>16235634
>imagine not wanting to live in the jungle
>imagine decrying savagery
cringe

>>16236231
exactly. both were completely innocent. and the serpent was in the garden. Do you think that the serpent could have made his way into the garden without god's consent? of course not. So it was the serpent's purpose to be in the garden and present the humans with the fruit. Eve was simply the closest to the serpent. It had to happen, and Eve was there.

>>16236258
so you are saying eve "took the fall"?

>>16236270
Maybe, maybe not. It had to happen, and there was a 50/50 chance.
But of course, Christianity is based on the sin of woman, but was it really her fault? What if Adam was closest to the serpent, when it wound itself around the tree?

>>16236305
its a metaphor dude, eve was to blame because judaism is patriarchal so the retrofit story came like that

>>16236319
I mean, yeah.

Bitches wasn't shit even 6000-some odd-years ago.

>>16235522
so man could be conscious of his true nature.

>jewish mythology

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>>16236013
Women deserve to be enslaved for thinking like this

>>16236405
le epic gnosticism1111

>>16235522
God told Adam not to eat of the fruit, but Adam told Eve to "not eat of the fruit or even touch it".

By adding to God's word Adam left open the door for Satan, since Satan touched the fruit to prove to Eve the fruit was safe.

>>16237169
that made no sense well done for being retarded

>>16235620
>Also, is it canon to the Bible that the serpent was Satan
it is indeed

>>16237227
You fell for my trap, because I'm just paraphrasing several commentaries and church fathers.

>>16237257
>i'm parroting other retards therefore i'm not retarded
You're more retarded than I previously assumed

>>16237265
>the people that helped assemble the biblical canon under discussion are retarded
Keep digging that hole anon.

>>16237333
kys mouthbreather

>>16237265
any one of the Church Fathers was orders of magnitude more intelligent than you are pseud

>>16237353
Ok retard

>>16237227
the argument makes sense, though id probably have to check to see if its factually correct.

Though id argue that having the fall of man be down to a small technicality really doesnt shine a good light on human kind, specially eve.,

>>16235522
damn Adam has a nice ass tho, ya better believe I'd be eating that instead *sips tea*

>>16235522
Eve or Pandora, which is the better origin story of women and sin?

>>16237360
>n-no you

>>16237363
No it doesn' retard. He told her not to eat the fruit, not "don't eat the fruit or maybe you can eat it if it's safe to touch"

>>16237127
thats not gnosticsm, thats literally what happened in real life, scientifically. when man attained consciousness he became aware of his his own mortality and we "lost eden". you're a stupid retard nigger and should never post on this board again.

>>16237381
"God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

It's literally what Eve said.

>>16237428
I was replying to
>God told Adam not to eat of the fruit, but Adam told Eve to "not eat of the fruit or even touch it".
and called that retarded. There's o "lest ye die" in that retarded paraphrasing

>>16237333
nice digits my dude

>>16237437
Now you've fallen for the next trap, because now you have to call God a liar for misdirecting Eve. There's only 2 persons involved prior to this point: Adam and God, who do you blame?

>>16237369
i'd guess pandora's more explicit with the whole evils in to the world. but the words of the bible concerning adam and eves punishment is borderline legendary
>Genesis 3:19 - In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

>>16237477
you for being a faggot

>>16237517
You're done. I'm not a christfag btw so you should be even more embarrassed for getting rekt so hard.

>>16235634
consciousness is a curse you nigger

>>16238253
lobotomize tranny

What faith is right for me if I assume the feminine is just as important as the masculine but I don't want to be a pagan goddess worshiper or a wicca larp?

Why would a god make woman just to be a perpetual pain in the ass and second fiddle to man? Women must be important.

>>16235620
>Because she had free will

That's where you're wrong kid

>>16238906
>church fathers: free will
>bioethius: free will
>aquinas: free will
>catholics: free will
>orthodox: free will
>L*ther: free will
...
>C*lvin: lol everything is predestined dude

>>16235522
When you realize that the Garden of Eden is the ocean and original sin was committed by a fish.

>>16239474
The problem was Ordo Salutis. That's where it all fell apart.

>>16239669
Was the sin leaving the water, or did he do an underwater sin and was banished to dry land?

>>16235620
Satan not being an angel that does the will of G-d perfectly is a contradiction of omnibenevolence, omnipotence and monotheism altogether.
>>16235522
She understands every decent is for a higher ascent.

>>16240995
every decent what?

>>16236069
>God help me. Which finger to pull?

>>16238901
Just go with new testament. Jesus didnt say shit about women being better or worse than men.

>>16237127
How old are you? 10?

>>16238906
>>>/lit/thread/S15455800#p15457452
>Something something free will is so free it precedes the Phenomenon of birth and makes one lay out one's own life regarding any and all parameters so much so that actually living it becomes paradoxically deterministic, the distress of poverty only being introjected from others' objection and conflicting with one's true desire to be poor.
>Just as any prescience of this message does not change the fact that you are reading it now, so too death will abolish the life you have lived thus far, now. It will all be over soon, or rather, it is always over.

>>16236013
By challenging the authority of God, one seeks to take His position.
Do you think of yourself as God? Make for me new forms of life or even something of physical substance without modifying existing matter.

>>16235522
Intellect is masculine and Eve is basically a feminine archetype (rather than a human being) so for dramatic purposes she doesnt even contend. The moment the snake gives her a reason to do it she doesnt evaluate because the feminine is drawn to the highest order and so at that moment the snake took advantage of her vulnerability and manipulated her using intellect. Adam is actually more foolish than eve for taking the fruit from her because he wasnt tricked into doing it.