/lit/ - Literature

>>16207077
Read the sticky

>>16207084
There isn't an answer in the sticky

>>16207077
Bump

Babby's first homework assignment?

>>16207077
Choose your own adventure Goosebumps works for every one of those.

>>16207077
The Revenant - Joker - The Terminator
Spartacus - any indie drama - The Truman Show
Silence - Also Silence - that sounds Reddit, don't care

>man vs author
I dont understand what this means

>>16209519
read Unamuno's "Niebla" for an example

>>16209519
There was a Daffy Duck cartoon about it

Classical is so fucking based

>>16209519
Like Six Characters in Search of an Author, perhaps?

>>16209519
It means reddit

>>16207077
example of postmodern conflict in literature: /lit/

test

the daffy duck version is way better

>>16207077
man vs no god is really funny put like this

>>16209127
based

>>16207077
An idiot doesn’t read rules. He gets shat on by the board. And then banned. He hates the board. And cycles his IP. He is permad for van evasion. He logs onto irc and yells at I_AM_ABIB. Who is idling. So he fucking kills him self.

There’s examples of each from /lit/. Now that you know, skip ahead to the divine post modern. I recommend being well hanged.

>>16209519
Not a book, but Stranger than Fiction is an intersection of Man vs. Self, Man vs. Reality, and Man vs. Author

Am I a pseudo midwit or is the universality of man vs x as opposed to x vs y simplistic and arrogant? Surely you could write books with god vs no god or society vs nature?

>>16211339
Those are non-fiction matey.

>>16210216
aah, the Egyptian god of frustration

>>16209519
it means that the character knows he's in a book, the author is his "god", fourth wall breaking basically.

>>16207077
Fuck, I can't be the only person with the balls to try this and fail.

>doing novels only

Classical:
Robinson Crusoe
Monte Cristo
Brothers Karamazov

Modern:
The Age of Innocence
A Rebours
Nausea

Postmodern:
Crash
Foucault's Pendulum
Pale Fire

>>16207077

>CLASSICAL
MAN vs. NATURE: ― Moby Dick (Melville)
MAN vs. MAN: ― Les Miserables (Hugo)
MAN vs. GOD: ― Oedipus Rex (Sophocles)

>MODERN
MAN vs. SOCIETY: ― Catch-22 (Heller)
MAN vs. SELF: ― Lord Jim (Conrad)
MAN vs. NO GOD: ― Blood Meridian (McCarthy)

>POSTMODERN:
MAN vs. TECHNOLOGY: ― Brave New World (Huxley)
MAN vs. REALITY: ― The Man In The High Castle (Dick)
MAN vs. AUTHOR: ― At Swim - Two Birds (O'Brien)

>>16211625
>>16211779
Finally, effortposters, thank you.

>>16211779
I think it's interesting that you went back to Sophocles for fights with God (gods?). It's actually hard to think of non-philosophical work from the French Revolution -> WW1 period that's explicitly about conflict with god. But it's maybe better than my pick because Dosty is a pretty bad model for classicism as deployment of form.

>>16211887
A lot of Graham Greene - e.g. The End Of The Affair - can be viewed as Man Vs. God. But the tone is so different from the classical, it felt misleading to use him as an example.

Some books could be considered "Man vs God" in tone, just not stated so explicitly. The key is Man fighting something greater than himself, so that it's clear he can't win. Call it Fate or Inevitability if you like. (You could put Moby Dick in this category.)

>>16210216
Came here to post this.

>>16207077
Starting at classical, going down
>old man and the sea
>the pearl
>any greek mythology invloving Hera
Modern
>Frankenstein
>Catcher in the Rye
I don’t have one for no god
Postmodern
>feed
Don’t have one
Don’t have one

>>16212782
The Brothers Karamazov could be Man vs No God

Don Quixote covers just about all these except maybe man vs tech and vs no god

>>16212813
Yes

>>16212782
Smiles to go for no God
A childish book for a childish subject

>>16210216
How is Elmer Fudd vs Daffy, man vs nature? Who is nature and who is man?

>>16214242
Daffy is still man. Nature is the predator hunting him

>>16207077
I don't get the classification; do the labels of "Classical", "Modern" and "Postmodern" conflict mean with respect to time of publication/writing? Because if so, when exactly would these eras begin/end?

The only two examples of "Man vs. Author" is Grant Morrison's Animal Man comic and that one Daffy Duck cartoon. Is there a literary example of this?

>>16214330
They refer to a series of aligned writing tropes and purposes which are functionally universal now. They’re basically shit posting, ironic shit posting, and [s4s]

>>16211887
Have you seen Youjou Senki? It’s pretty explicit in that one

>>16212782
You mean
>any Greek mythology involving Aphrodite

>>16214867
Breakfast of Champions, sort of. If on a Winter's Night a Traveller.

Classical:
A Boy and Three Pigs
A Boy and Another Boy
Three Pigs

Modern:
Three Pigs ... and a Boy
A Boy
A Pig

Postmodern:
A Boy - a Pig
Three Boys and Three Pigs
The Pig

>>16214867
What's wrong with the example I gave?

>>16214246
I would buy that if Elmer was a really primitive hunter who relied on eating ducks to survive in the ecosystem. Elmer is clearly a western, civilized man hunting for sport. It could really be better.

>>16215294
Nice

Classical: King Lear
>Man vs. Nature
Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! Rage, blow!
You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout
Till you have drenched our steeples, drowned the cocks!
You sulfurous and thought-executing fires,
Vaunt-couriers of oak-cleaving thunderbolts,
Singe my white head! And thou, all-shaking thunder,
Smite flat the thick rotundity o' th' world,
Crack nature’s molds, all germens spill at once
That make ingrateful man!
>Man vs. Man
Draw, you rogue: for, though it be night, yet the moon shines; I'll make a sop o' the moonshine of you: draw, you whoreson cullionly barber-monger, draw!
>Man vs. God
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods.
They kill us for their sport.

Modern: Macbeth
>Man vs. Society
Alas, poor country!
Almost afraid to know itself. It cannot
Be call'd our mother, but our grave; where nothing,
But who knows nothing, is once seen to smile;
Where sighs and groans and shrieks that rend the air
Are made, not mark'd; where violent sorrow seems
A modern ecstasy; the dead man's knell
Is there scarce ask'd for who; and good men's lives
Expire before the flowers in their caps,
Dying or ere they sicken.
>Man vs. Self
It is myself I mean: in whom I know
All the particulars of vice so grafted
That, when they shall be open'd, black Macbeth
Will seem as pure as snow, and the poor state
Esteem him as a lamb, being compared
With my confineless harms.
>Man vs. No God
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Postmodern: Hamlet
>Man vs. Technology
Thine evermore most dear lady, whilst
this machine is to him, HAMLET.
>Man vs. Reality
Alas, how is't with you,
That you do bend your eye on vacancy
And with the incorporal air do hold discourse?
Forth at your eyes your spirits wildly peep;
And, as the sleeping soldiers in the alarm,
Your bedded hair, like life in excrements,
Starts up, and stands on end. O gentle son,
Upon the heat and flame of thy distemper
Sprinkle cool patience. Whereon do you look?
>Man vs. Author
Is it not monstrous that this player here,
But in a fiction, in a dream of passion,
Could force his soul so to his own conceit
That from her working all his visage wann'd,
Tears in his eyes, distraction in's aspect,
A broken voice, and his whole function suiting
With forms to his conceit? and all for nothing!

>>16212859
Man vs tech could be the windmills or the six fulling hammers

Classical should be

man* vs man*

*as controlled and manipulated by gods.