/lit/ - Literature

>>16208606
Because he refutes everyone and everything including himself ending every conversation. Its boring.

>>16208617
>himself
He doesn't

>>16208606
Persuasion and Rhetoric by Carlo Michelstaedter

>>16208606
Should I even read this guy? His memes are hard to escape and I sense I may agree with his writings if it concerns looking out for yourself.

>>16208627
ego, the unique, and spooks are a spook.

>>16208654
>ego
intuition of self is intuitive rather than mental process, therefore not a spook.
>the unique
may very well be
>spooks
If already disregarded, they will not serve as a spook

>>16208667
>intuition
Intuition is a spook
>may very well be
It is
>they will not serve
Spooks are the spookiest of all spooks.

>>16208690
>Intuition is a spook
intuition is only a spook when conceptualized rather than felt
>Spooks are the spookiest of all spooks.
Yes. Also conceptualized before being felt.

>>16208606
The most piss poor crap philosophy that was already refuted by the time of Callicles.

>>16208606
He’s self-defeating

>>16208606
It’d be all that work Marx did in German ideology.

>>16208704
You are talking to someone who hasn’t read Stirner but learned about him through memes, anon. Don’t take him seriously, my good guy.

>>16208722
Marx never recovered from Stirner non-chalantly blowing him the fuck out

>>16208704
>when conceptualized
Yet one can never know when it is or not, thus it must be taken as a spook at all times.
>Also conceptualized
Yes.

>>16208729
>>16208722

>>16208704
Feelings are culturally mediated

>>16208729
Couldn’t have been the drinking smoking and historical economics.

No a failed ice cream parlour operator and failed husband’s pathetic idealist critiques must have got to Marx. Not the poverty, incoherent work planning, of fixation on state action. It was Stirner. That’s why Marx is constantly citing him in refutation after German Ideology.

What is it with 19th century individualists and failed ice cream parlours. E Goldman I’m looking at you.

>>16208741
lefty memes of the 19th Century kek
>>16208731
>know
Lol, you failed. Try harder.
>>16208746
That doesn't matter

>>16208756
>Lol, you failed.
I accept your concession of defeat.

>>16208756
>That doesn't matter
Yes it does. They're not you're own, they can be dispelled as spooks.

>>16208776
Origin does not determine what I claim as my own.

>>16208753
>marxist seething so hard he needs to write and write and write
see >>16208741

>>16208786
The desire to "claim as your own" is itself something you inherited from somewhere/someone else.

>>16208805
You can always refer to my previous statement to refute that.

The Stirnerfag is immunized against all spooks: one may call him a retard, edgy, teenager, larper, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call his ego a spook and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>16208841
>>16208746
>>16208654
>t. never read stirner

>>16208864
>t. never read stirner
My reply:
>t. never read stirner

>>16208810
Society has ontological priority.

>>16208864
>Actually spooked by some magical idea of "the self" that leads you around and decides what you do or favor
Top lmao.

>>16208841
It's his transcendental signified--the keystone that keeps the whole edifice together and prevents it from collapsing. Of course, like all transcendental signifieds, it's groundless. Hence the seething reaction when one points this out to a Stinerfag.

>>16208801
I see you agree he’s an idealist.

>>16208926
>magical idea
admit you never read him lmao
>>16208918
>Society
spooked. next.

>>16208955
>admit you never read him lmao
Projection and not an argument.

>“We two, the State and I, are enemies. I, the egoist, have not at heart the welfare of this ‘human society,’ I sacrifice nothing to it, I only utilize it; but to be able to utilize it completely I transform it rather into my property and my creature; i. e., I annihilate it, and form in its place the Union of Egoists.”

>>16208918
Reaching straight for ontology is a big claim when sociopaths exist.

>>16208967
Stirner addresses your argument many times about not being a slave to one's self. You would know that if you read him.

This little triangle debunks his whole system.

>>16208654
>ego
Spook
>spook
Spook
>unique
You are not a concept

>>16208985
Yea I'm sure Stirner preemptively btfo of every argument ever to be made against him and I merely need to "read Stirner", just like Marxists think "read Marx" is an argument, and so to with every single philosophy or theory ever made. Just read the thing and its over, every philosophy is 100% correct 100% of the time. EPIC!

Yet since you can't seem to state a single one of these apparent arguments ever, I will accept this internet debate as having been formally submitted to be my victory. Thanks.

>>16208606
because he was refuted by Marx (pbuh) and /lit/ has become a trap board used to attract more intelectually ambitious promising pedigree of /pol/ and to turn them into theory-reading-nigger-cock-loving /leftypol/ers

>>16209048
>refuted by marx
I don't think 800 pages of seething adhom is a refutation.

>>16209034
I don't wish to waste my time making long winded arguments with a leftist such as yourself. If you can't understand the premise then I will not waste my time explaining it to you.
>>16208967
>Projection and not an argument.
>>16209034
>I will accept this internet debate as having been formally submitted to be my victory.
you have to go back

>>16209048
>refuted by Marx
Whatever you say lmao
>/leftypol/ers
I would say Stirner is inherently right wing

>>16208606
where do I start with Stirner? I know he's only written like two books (only one of which is important) but what are the prerequisites? should I be familiarized with Hegel and Feuerbach?

>>16209086
>Hegel and Feuerbach
Assuming you are up to that point, the ego and its own is fully understandable. I would argue even without Hegel. The rest is just memes and countershitposts.

>>16209085
>I would say Stirner is inherently right wing
Read Stirner.

>>16209034
>Just read the thing and its over, every philosophy is 100% correct 100% of the time
Midwits btfo for all eternity.

>>16209111
Conceptually speaking, he is.
>inb4 conceptually
Yes, I am aware it is a spook.
>>16209116
>>16209034
Do the work. I am not spoon-feeding you. :^)

>>16209085
>I don't wish to waste my time
Neither do I old friend, so lets get your concession over with quickly shall we. I do accept it and with great pleasure. Thank you for this easy win.

>>16209125
>right vs. left
Now that's a real spook

>>16209125
>t. has never read Stirner himself

>>16208606

>>16209034
>mosley pic
>based post
Name a more iconic duo.

>>16208606
he's a dead end
the only thing a stirnerite can do is shitpost about spooks, he can not develop further.

The ego does not exist as a thing in itself, the ego is the phenomenological transformation of ((everything))
Stirner offers solipsism and nothing more

>>16208606
He was refuted by Guenon.

>>16208606
Philosophy for incels.

>>16210926
kek

>>16208918
Society doesn't exist you retard
Your experience of it is the only thing that does
Therefore, your nature and natural desires have ontological priority over society

>>16211078
Wrong, bitch. My experience is linguistically mediated, and language is a communal, i.e. a *societal* phenomenon.

>>16211078
>nature and natural desires
while you release with one hand, you cling on so tightly with your other one

>>16211137
>My experience is linguistically mediated
>hasn't read Merleau-Ponty
oof

>>16211151
>insubstantial name-drop
oof

>>16211161
Are you honestly claiming a person needs linguistic mediation to experience their being in the world?

>>16211234
Yes. Representation is what allows us to intend objects, and intention is what seperates us from them i.e. allows us to experience them.

>>16208617
Reality is a work of fiction, good fiction is about the truth inside the lie. When you find out the real truth that's when the magic is gone.

give me a rundown on him and his philosophy not comprised of reddit memes. how am I to live my life according to max stirner?
>inb4 read him
"No!"

what if he was blax stirner and he was always in blackface

>>16211477
wild animals must have quite the vocabulary

>>16208606
we don't like crypto buddhism here

>>16211774
You are already asking for the wrong thing.

>>16212032
Wild animals aren't conscious, they can't intend objects.

>>16211774
do whatever the fuck you want and don’t worry about others, the state of the world, or any grand cause

>>16208606
because he was a fucking meme
why do you think?

>>16208617
>Because he refutes everyone and everything including himself
you realize this is what philosophy is, right?
that's the fucking point.