/lit/ - Literature

>>16209927
I would (and could) strangle all 6 people In your picture. I assume you think you look like the blonde one, I would splinter his knees before ripping out his throat.

>>16210123
Dangerously based. I could probably kill the girls in the pic with a single strike each.

>>16209927
the blonde one looks like Anna Liebert from Monster

>>16210123
Actually I'm probably closer to the doomer, also it's not a picture it's a drawing (?) I don't know why you feel like telling me about your physical strength unsolicited, but please post your gains.

>>16209927
>Are there books about memes?
god, I hope not

>>16209927
can one of the Jung bros on this board do an archetypal analysis of the phenomenology of these meme characters? The trad gf is an anima image, ethot and doomer gf are succubi the nordic Chad is the hero, the doomer is the shadow, and idk what the zoomer is, maybe the trickster? we need an in depth study!

bloomer is for the boys only. normies will never take our bloomer

>>16210178
Maybe we're too early, cultural studies of the future will definitely write tomes about meme culture. Especially about 4chan.

>>16210196

>>16210188
If these were characters in a novel the Doomer would be the protagonist. He would secretly love the goth girl. Somehow he would end up with the trad girl.

>>16209927
Richard Dawkins is the only author you need. Go to the source.

>>16210188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVZZ9VEcr0
Enjoy(?)

>>16210168
>it's not a picture it's a drawing
Drawings are pictures, dumbass.

>>16210237

>>16209927
SQQUUUUAAAADDDD

>>16210237
you didn't answer his question, little man.

>>16209927
Actually yeah can someone give book recs about memes. We live in a time where ideas are spread visually and rapidly turning simple ideas like traditional masculintiy and feminity, nihilism and whatever else fits into these demi-gods. Its almost like the religion of a new age bros.

>>16210188
imagine being this retarded

>>16209927
memes matter

>>16210283
Are you aware that the word "picture" predates the advent of photography by many centuries?

>>16209927
Society of the Spectacle

>>16210600
Unironically this.

how did the waistline start returning to the actual waist instead of hips for women? when will it return for men?

>>16210188
>can one of the Jung bros on this board do an archetypal analysis of the phenomenology of these meme characters? The trad gf is an anima image, ethot and doomer gf are succubi the nordic Chad is the hero, the doomer is the shadow, and idk what the zoomer is, maybe the trickster? we need an in depth study!
You type like a boomer, I assume unironically since you're seemingly sincere with the request. You're too old for 4chan, leave and go spend quality time with your family. If you don't have a family, think about what caused you to wind up without one.

>>16210236
jeez i want to pat her womb

>>16209927
KILL YOURSELF RETARD.

>>16209927
God this is rage comics all over again, why does reddit ruin everything?

>>16210947
Dilate tranny

>>16210952
Wojak cancer was made worse by 4chan itself. This place can't come up with funny shit anymore, so it had to beat on a long dead horse.

>>16210188
These memes are not directly archetypal in the same way dreams or historical cultural images can be. They are references to transient ideas and movements within our specific culture. You can see this most clearly with the zoomer. The zoomer is the zeitgeist of the postmillennial - a shallow, conflict-avoidant, unfocused, but friendly person who has blocked out the complexity of the world and retreated into an egoistic, but toothless, subjectivity.
The doomer and the chad are the spectrum of possibility for millennial manhood. These are the people who are now in their late 20s/early 30s, and witnessing the rise of the zoomer. They see themselves getting older but feel they still lack a clearly defined cultural role. The paradigm is something like "give up it's not worth it" vs "our cultural hero systems are fucked, but still worth winning". On the doomer side would be a movement like MGTOW, with it's antithesis being TheRedPill and pickup artistry. This antithesis however is still embedded within the horizon of the millennial (at least with respect to the online type who recognizes these memes), and for the reason the two sides should not be seen as enemies since the spectrum itself is a part of this worldview.

>>16210123
Please post gains

>>16210879
bro im 25! i thought it would be fun to analyze these memes since they clearly resonate on a large cultural scale, at least on the internet. idk why some people on this board are immune to fun and whimsy; you guys have some seriously sharp sticks up your anuses.

>>16211055
Gb2 reddit. We don’t want you here.

>>16210600
>>16210611
You're both idiots

>>16211022
Wojak and pepe cancer was a reaction to reddit stealing everything 4chan made. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mghhLqu31cQ was the end of old 4chan humor and the beginning of irony and post irony 4chan. People forget that why poopoo peepee memes were made. To ensure reddit would NEVER take pepe from us. Of course it didn't work in the end, not entirely anyways.

To be honest, old 4chan humor wasn't that funny. lolsorandum was destined to die, regardless of reddit cancer.

>>16211132
Shut up insecure white male

>>16211141
>OVER 40 MEMES

>>16210952
It runs in the blood, before Reddit, there was Ebaumsworld.

>>16210123
post body

>>16209927
Wrote a bachelor thesis on memetics in 2016 for a friend. It barely passed though.

>>16210168
Not him but couldn’t resist ;)

>>16210123
I would r*pe the girls before killing them, or maybe afterwards idk

>>16209927
Oh my fucking God I just want the doomerette to fucking strangle me with her thighs damn

>>16211022
>memes
>funny

>>16210123
based

>>16210123
based

>>16209927
I was thinking about this recently, and while the most popular usage of "meme" you see online doesn't seem to fully match the intended definition, there are actually other usages that do. For instance, "Falling for the ___ meme" lines up the true meaning almost exactly, right? The only difference would be that a meme isn't necessarily bad, but calling something a meme like this implies that it's bad. Otherwise they're conveying the same thing.

>>16211356
Work out more

Does anyone else get weirded out by 4chans outsized cultural influence? Like the whole virgin/Chad thing, as a cultural trope and specifically as a meme format, was the brainchild of some neurotic incel on r9k but is now understood as truth by the entirety of America's youth and beyond. It's so bizarre seeing normies now adopting memes that I witnessed the birth of three or four years ago on 4chan.

>>16209927
Not quite what you are looking for, but in the SCP Foundation there has long been the field of Memetics, although that mostly boils down to "mind control spread through vector x".

>>16210123
so based

>>16209927
https://www.amazon.it/guerra-meme-Fenomenologia-scherzo-infinito/dp/8898837445

But I don't think it was translated in other languages

>>16209927
You do know the word meme precedes the internet, right?

>>16210123
based fitlit

>>16211936
you do know we used to call them image macros before fags started calling everything meme

>>16209927
Scooby Doo already did this

>>16211618
literally just an updated form of nerds vs jocks

>>16210236
This is what the average 35 year old AGP troon genuinely thinks he looks like.

>>16210123
this man works out at the library

god I wish that was me on the right

>>16210236
>hi, i'm here with the city. i need to come in your house and check for radiation.

>>16211022
>>16211141
I like Apu and I think he's a good meme.

>>16211618
Chad Thundercock existed well before /r9k/, and the virgin/chad meme came from /fit/.

>>16211141
I disagree, it was hilarious. We've just been too jaded by irony to view it the same way.

>>16209927
apart from the Selfish Gene there is pic related. The main idea from it iirc is that the idea of a self is a memeplex

>>16212404
You are not cute

>>16212467
thats what I am saying

>>16209927
Female "doomer" should never have been created it makes no sense for her to be a doomer, she is too pretty. For a woman to be a doomer she would have to be fuck ugly

Yes there is

>>16212559
Ew

>>16212537
She's supposed to be satire on arthots who affect the aesthetic and pretend to be deep but are actually like egirls in the sense that they are just trying to attract guys. They could never understand the suffering of the doomer.

>>16212562
you have see nothing yet

>>16211618
Incel ideology is closest to reality

>>16210123
Post physique, guns, and cock.

>>16211141
>Wojak and pepe cancer was a reaction to reddit stealing everything 4chan made.
Imagine complaining when your own memes spread successfully. Do you even grasp the meme concept?

>>16213280
>implying anyone wants 4chan culture to become an "epic meme"
Take a look at the OP's image, its taken the original idea and fucking ruined it beyond recognition. Where is the irony? The self loathing? The despair? Its a fast food meme, made to serve "normalfags just in time"(tm). The heart and soul of our boards is replaced by easy to digest self insert nothing """"characters"""" made for bugmen to gain their next dopamine fix. That's what reddit does, it kills whatever it touches. Maybe you fit in with them though, you should go back home redditman.

>>16213280
Its good that our memes spread but they have no SOVL anymore and overused. Soijak is the pinnacle example nobody even insults people we just post images of him and pretend BTFO someone. The memes are terrible

>>16213340
The idea that there is some magical difference between 4chan and reddit is a joke. 4chan is just reddit for self-loathing people. Otherwise it's the same exact demographic of young weak whyte male losers, whinging on earnestly about children's action-adventure franchises.

>>16213393
If you think reddit and 4chan are the same it sounds like we all know where you should go back too.

>>16213411
Not what was said, and not an argument.

>>16213434
>not an argument
It wasn't meant to be, it was an insult and a command to go back from where you came from redditman. This post isn't an argument either, it's another insult. Just in case you didn't realize.

>>16213456
The point is that you are the redditman, brainlet. Learn to read.

>>16213456
>This post isn't an argument either, it's another insult. Just in case you didn't realize.
This kills the midwit

>>16213460
>n-no u

>>16213476
>r/cats

>>16212569
Imo the female doomer is just a satirical expression of the asymmetrical nature of suffering experienced in men and women respectively, its not just an art hoe thing about being deep. As a result of equality and feminism, the average current year female is extremely delusional about her sexual and human value resulting in a unacceptable level of self entitlement. This is stratified by her evolutionary selective strategy of using herself as an object of arousal for the securement of resources she would be unable to obtain herself (i.e. hunting and killing a large animal). When paired with modern psychological schemata and zeitgeist, the female is thus stuck in an endless conundrum of insatiable desire versus limited cabaility. As better prospects become apparant to her, she will falsely believe that she is entitled to pursue and secure them but will always meet her max potential when she wants what she cant have, and does not want, what she can already have. The sensation that she feels as a result of her dissatisfaction with her own mating performance and inability to secure the better Chad is childishly labeled "suffering" spawning the much annoying female doomer; her problems are laughable and her troubles pale compared to what the doomer man feels; a level of despair the female mind just hasnt biologically evolved to grasp.

>>16213551
That's a really good take but from my (admittedly average) experience both aspects are for the most part interchangeable. The female doomer sees her perceived "suffering" as a tool for self-diferentiation, to paint herself as a tortured creative soul neglected by society for her intellect. Of course that's rarely genuine and, like you pointed out, of any real consequence because the judgments of value attributed to women are primarly based on their attractiviness while for men it's a lot more based on his achievements, both in a material and intellectual way.
Of course there are exceptions but I simply can't recall ever finding a female doomer whose feeling of existential dread amounted to anything more than "I haven't been approached by someone I find attractive in a certain (usually short) period of time", and when they realize that they can get attention from people she's more than willing to use it as an accessory. Even the ones that are actually depressed or suicidal still use this feeling as means for attention (and an eventual cry for help) because they assume (or more accurately, know) that someone will willingly try to fix their problems for them.

>>16212004
Yes I do, and I miss it

>>16211356
Nice arms, do more chest and back man. Like a lot more

>>16210867
for american women it's because a high waist acts like a girdle, which is useful when you start putting on weight from going out all the time

>>16213723
the male version of what you described for the female doomer is literally a subvocalization poster

>>16210123
>

>>16210123
holy based

>>16209927
I like that picture, pretty cute girls and cute guys.

>>16211618
Local youth culture outside of rural areas is mostly dead and almost everyone is spending a lot of time in the internet, so everyone meets them. Besides the memes aren't very complex, so it's easy to get them.

>>16215376
>cute guys
Kek I meant cool guys, not cute guys. I find it interesting because it triggers people like >>16210123
and I would like to understand why it does, what makes this picture so interesting, why does it evoke more emotion than others?

>>16209927
that guy in the beanie is so me

>>16212416
This. Apu is genuinely funny

>>16210598
You're both retards. It's not a drawing or a picture, it's a fucking image.

>>16211022
What is 4chan?

>>16216348
Message board full of transsexual pornography. I heard russian trolls organize there and push conspiracy theories that got Trump ekected

>>16210123
based

>>16213393
You have to have an IQ of like 80 to not understand that the structural differences in the two sites attract different demographics

>>16211141
I like lolsorandom

>>16215797
It's called a macro newfriend.

>>16210123
Beyond based

>>16211022
in my experience, older memes actually tended to lack emotional depth and were mostly used for their sheer novelty or ingroup signaling. that is, they were mostly just funny because they were wacky zany lolsorandom shit or because they were *our* wacky zany lolsorandom shit, not because they represented emotional qualities implicitly understood by the people who used them - they didn't really have any such qualities to speak of. this is perhaps attested to by the fact that the memes on the left rarely had any substantial variations on them. they were put into new contexts, but this was mostly just out of novelty, the punchline of a joke, rather than to be able to express something fundamentally different
newer memes, having settled on a definite form (wojak/pepe) were able to construct on top of them basically an entire mythos of characters able to express complex sentiments and abstract emotional qualities that would just be completely impossible with the earlier ones. how would you do something like chadface posting with the characters on the left? how would you express something like *DING DING DING* AHEM PLEASE SIT DOWN, I HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL YOU ALL? you just can't really construct a post that has the same "feel" to it as much of the current posting style has by using the older generation of memes, and it's not because they're out of style and most people don't recognize them - i mean, even at the time they were popular, it wouldn't be possible, because the pieces just aren't there for it. since they aren't particularly expressive and novelty only lasts so long, it's no wonder why they died out and were replaced by something more versatile, that allowed for more subtle variations
i used to think things were better then than today but i've realized it's just nostalgia, of course the world seemed like a better place when i was in high school and all i had to worry about was dumb high schooler shit like getting a girlfriend or drinking with my friends or my grades instead of today ten or fifteen years later when i'm an adult with adult problems and my parents are old and i have to worry about money and jobs and niggers and leftists and god knows what else is out there lurking in the darkness for me

>>16213393
go back please

>>16217242
This is already reddit, homo.

Virus of the Mind

>>16212254
Nah I feel like Chad vs. Virgin is more interesting though as it's almost mocking the dichotomy between nerds and jocks itself and subverting that dichotomy by making the nerd representative of normal people and the Chad, the character we value as a society, being overly extreme (in some iterations of the meme).

Virgin vs. Chad is more self-aware, self-referential, and meta than Nerds vs. Jocks.

>>16216582
Probably on avg. different demographic but it's the internet there's nothing stopping anybody from browsing both sites.

reddit had to commission that image to counteract all the soijacks that more accurately represent their readers

>>16209927
That image is a perfect image of the world because there are no niggers

>>16212416
Apu somehow always makes me laugh when I see it.