/lit/ - Literature

sffg discord - https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m
group read of Rage of Dragons begins today
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41952489-the-rage-of-dragons

sanderfag a hack

>>16205941
>"He was not the strongest, the quickest, or the most talented, not by any measure. He knew this and knew he could not control this. However, he could control his effort, the work he put in, and there he would not be beaten."

>"Tau let his thoughts fade, focusing on the run. He was tired, injured, and would have loved nothing more than to stop. He refused to do it though. He told himself he could stop when he could no longer make the next step. He also told himself he could always make the next step."

>black author

>pure ya trash

>high school level of writing

>80% of the book is a training montage compilation because plot is hard.

>"African fantasy" which actually means it's medieval fantasy with dragons but with black people and African names.

Enjoy your book discord.

>>16206035
>Enjoy your book discord.
Thanks, we will.

>>16206035
Imaro is the only African fantasy book with a black writer worth reading.

>>16206035
My friend recommended this. I cringed at the first chapter and went back to the Alexandria Quartet.

>>16205923
You know what time it is
fuck e william brown

>>16206035
Faggot. Why didn't you reveal this indepth breakdown before? The shills got me and I purchased this shit. They made it sound fun, faggot.

>>16206169
You know goodreads has a preview of most books, you can read a few chapters before buying if you care to.

What do you all think of Burroughs scifi?

>>16206146
has anyone here actually read the alice long books?
what are they actually about? all i hear is lesbian space loli.

>>16206035
Thanks for this opportunity to repost this

>>16206265
No, this is a smut free general, take your degeneracy elsewhere.

>>16206265
She isn't a lesbian. She is a space marine loli princess.
Have you read Daniel Black? Imagine Daniel as a android /cyborg loli, instead of magic making anything, you use 3d printers and advanced algorithms and theorems to make shit. Imagine no smut, and no cringe tier sex scenes. Imagine flying through the stars blowing shit up. That is Alice Long.

>>16206315
Fuck of this generals founding principles lie in GRI. Degeneracy is fundamental to /sffg/.

>>16206326
why do people keep saying its a lesbian story. also ive only read the first daniel black book and didnt like it.

>>16205923
Does the loli get lewd'd by the dragon?

Best Heinlein novel?

>>16206342
Maybe you are thinking of Gideon the ninth? That is a space lesbian necromancer

>>16206315
Last thread was literally an extended conversation on sex tourism.

>>16206292
I-is this good or bad?

>>16206353
Can't decide between Starship Troopers and Stranger in a Strange Land.

>>16206292
What about 'The Rage of Dragons' made you expect a smug black guy staring at you?

>>16206353
>>16206386
No

>>16206387
It's the poster black man of the we wuz meme.

>reading last book in series
>start reading slower
>stop reading for days and even weeks at a time
I just dont want it to end

>>16206455
>I just dont want it to end

>tfw a series ended but you didn't want it to end
>there are many more adventures that the characters could go on and you suddenly realize you've grown attached to all of them
>that fucking void and sadness in your heart when its just over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKffm2uI4dk

>>16206455
>>16206528
I wish I felt this way for things again. I remember feeling like this as a child and becoming really immersed and attached. Nowadays I get burned out towards the end and am glad it's finally over so I can read something new and fresh.

Who do you guys suggest for planetary romance? I found A Princess of Mars boring

>>16206528
But then there is the thrill of looking for a new series and doing it all over again. One of my deepest secrets is that I still read YA/coming of age fantasy. Like the stuff a 16 yo would read. I'm addicted to all the tropes. I still fit in stuff like botns occasionally but I can't stop reading YA

>>16206353
Rolling Stones might not be his best, but it sure is comfy.

China Mieville

>>16206651
He's right. Good books challenge the reader and Tolkien doesnt in any way.

>>16206701
>what do you mean you just want a book to entertain you?!

>>16206701
yeah because we all know fantasy is known for challenging the reader

>>16206728
Reading fantasy by/about women and people of color is apparently very challenging to a lot of anons.

What is your opinion on King's dark tower series?

>>16206739
Is being annoyed being challenged? If so, the Marvel movies must be masterpieces bc I sit through them annoyed from start to finish

>>16206651
Imagine being snobby about fucking fantasy. Jesus christ at least be snobby about Greek poetry or something

With Covid and becoming jobless, I've been working on some proofs for when TOR is taking open submittions, looking for some early 90s/80s dark scifi/cyberpunk for inspiration for stories and concepts. If you have any suggestions please let me know.

Sci-fi reading list so far this year:

William gibson; King of Kings what got me down the rabbit hole.
> Neuromancer
> Count Zero
> Mona Lisa overdrive
> Virtual light
> Pattern recognition.

Richard K. Morgan;
> Altered carbon series (Best cyberpunk Noir i can think of.)


Samuel R. Delany;
> Trition (pretty gay, great concepts)

Tim Maughan;
> Infinite Detail: A Novel (really gay and felt like it was inspired from a series of unrelated twitter posts.)

Frederik Pohl;
> Gateway (respectably gay)
> Beyond the Blue Event Horizon (started to lose that gateway atmosphere)
> Heechee Rendezvous (meh)

Neal Stephenson;
> Snow Crash (loved the atmosphere, hated the summarian shit at first but after a week thinking about it pretty neat plot point.)

David Sherman and Dan Cragg;
> Starfist (ooh-rah space marine corps)

M. C. Planck;
>The Kassa Gambit (felt like a fan-fic)

Iain M. Banks;
> The player of games (should've read Consider Phlebas instead.)

Michael Crichton;
> The Andromeda Strain (classic, great technical detail)

Please I'm fiending for some more.

>>16206713
Writing for pure entertainment and escapism is fine but you aren't allowed to call it a masterpiece then.

>>16206728
Modern fantasy like ASoIaF at least makes the reader think to some degree

>>16206799
LotR doesn't fit that bill though, the battle scenes are pretty brutal and inspired by his WWI experiences, and his depiction of Middle-Earth has a lot to do with him being a literal medieval scholar, and having translated a lot of medieval work, it does challenge the reader in that, to fully appreciate it, somewhat of an understanding of European history is needed to fully get it, but you know, a lot of the people who read fantasy now find Europe disgusting so a lot of that is lost on them
>>16206816
I agree, it's just not what the nature of the genre is built for I don't believe

>>16206799
Yes you can. Only a retard thinks something can't be entertaining AND a masterpiece.

>>16206739
In the same way that shoving a cactus up your ass would be challenging.

>>16206799
If something isn't entertaining it's trash.

>>16206816
lol think of what? Think that subversion is shit? There's a reason why the series will never be finished; at least under GERM.

>>16205923
If any of these authors are browsing, may I ask how many copies/e-books you’ve sold? And if you advertised it at all?

>>16206861
If it's ONLY entertainment and nothing else it literally cant be called a masterpiece. That's like calling the latest season of big brother a masterpiece.

>>16206917
What kind of vetting do books go through to end up on this list?

>>16206925
Wrong. Not the guy you’re talking to but Jackass 1, 2, and 3 are nothing but entertaining and all three are masterpieces. Same goes for early seasons of Trailer Park Boys

>>16206935
I assume the author just comments “hey I post on 4chan and I made this book please check it out”
I mean, it’s not like non 4chan users would come to /sffg/ of all places to shill. Pretty sure using 4chan is a crime in bongland, at the very least it’s box office poison

>>16206917
>copies/e-books you’ve sold
Not an author but that is a difficult question to answer because i expect most of those people make most of their income from kindle unlimited. i also know that some of them have a patreon in addition to that. That being said i remember someone once saying that on average their books have about 5 million reads though kindle unlimited and about a sixth to a fifth of that in actual ebook sales per book.

>>16206941
Sorry I didnt realize what I was dealing with here, please live on in your comfortable bubble.

>>16206935
No vetting, not sure if it's the same mouth breather that made it that is still posting it but all his charts are solely based on his shitty taste and people have been telling him to kill himself for years.

This particular chart is filled with smut, litrpg and books that aren't actually self published and it's not even his worst chart. Waiting for the one with Brent Weeks to show up anytime now.

>>16206959
Thanks
I’m trying to write a book and don’t give a shit about how much money I make or anything, I just would like to hope at least a couple hundred people read my work.
>5 million reads and 1 million sales
Holy shit

Enjoy your new 1500 page shallan autism galore

>>16206990
I will unironically

>>16206978
Kindle unlimited pays by page read. its about a cent per page read i think. So the bigger your book the bigger your potential income. A while back there have been a few scandals though in the Romance genre where people were stuffying there books to make them appear bigger than they were for the algorithm. Since then amazon has taken a hard apporach to any funny business because of how the kindle unlimted system works.
amazon customers can choose to pay 10 bucks a month to read any book in the kindle unlimited catalog. the subscription money goes into a pot and authors are then paid per page read. theres a lot of caveats though if you do take part of the kindle unlimited system.
also keep in mind you wont be pulling those kinds of numbers unless you are really established and known. you dont have to be a gorge rr martin to make money from self publishing but you do have to have a following of people that are looking forward to your book and actively keep up with news about you.
a newsletter or blog are really helpful in that regard.
Also you need an editor. Even the most bottom of the barrel trash litrpg author can make loads of money with decent editing. People notice good writing and editing regardless of genre.

>>16206968
the cool thing about genius is that it can manifest itself anywhere and does not need to be confirmed by twenty-something-year-old pseuds

>>16207026
Is there seriously no great writer who has written their books without an editor?

>>16206797
Forget about books beyond Gibson if you care for cuberpunk.

Watch Ghost in the Shell, Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze, and read BLAME!

>>16207026
"self-publishing" on amazon requires you to sign into a digital exclusivity deal and doing that makes you a huge loser

>>16207026
Thanks, appreciate the info

>>16207040
No. Anyone who says they did is lying for street cred.

>>16207040
certainly, but statistically speaking it's rare to the point of insignificance

also if you CAN get your work edited there is no good reason not to do it

>>16207054
>>16207026
What exactly does an editor do that’s so useful? I mean grammar and spelling is taken care of by google docs for the most part, does he just recommend you cut out the three pages of describing what a tree looks like and whatnot?

>>16206701
A good book can also inspire. Instead of breaking how what the reader believes is wrong, it can help the reader understand what is right.

Too many writers think that simply doing the opposite of the established trope is clever. The 'what if we made the blonde cheerleader the badass vampire slayer' crowd. Mieville pretty much admits it - 'The best you can do is consciously lance the boil'. I.e. all you have to do to write good fantasy is take what Tolkein did and do the opposite. Mieville isn't a revolutionary pushing the boundaries of fantasy (or anything else), he's a contrarian putting on a performance for an audience.

The greater skill is in taking established, familiar tropes and raising them up a level. Nothing about Tolkein is original - both in folklore and in 19th and 20th century fiction there are many common elements that Tolkein would take and expand on. And yet it is Tolkein who is famous as the father of fantasy, rather Dunsany, or However, or the brothers Grimm or even Wagner. Because he stood on those foundations and built a towering work of art that could be seen from the farthest horizons.

>>16206651
This isn't even accurate

>cod-Wagnerian pomposity
Tolkein knew a thousand times more about the legendarium of pre-Christian Europe than Wagner. Tolkein wasn't some 19th century romantic, he based his works on the real deal. And the real deal was earnest, and had none of the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm that modern writers mistake for wit (because if you don't take something seriously in must be funny by default, right?)

>boys-own-adventure glorying in war
How _dare_ this pampered north-London literati think he gets to comment on Tolkein's interpretation of war. Tolkein fought in WW1, and he knew better than anyone the toll war takes. The second book begins with one of the Fellowship dying in battle. It continues on with Theoden weeping over the grave of his son. And on through Faramir learning of his brother's death, and Denethor losing his mind over Boromir. Does it seem like Frodo and Sam are having a boys-own-adventure when they're crawling through the dead marshes trying not to join the long dead soldiers who fell there? Frodo suffers a wound that never fully heals; in fact the entire story ends on a bittersweet note when Frodo finally admits that he will never get over the scars he suffered, and must leave Sam.

But Tolkein also knew that victory against evil *is* glorious, and worth the sacrifices that war demands.

It's also a bit rich coming from someone who has no problem glorifying violent revolution in his own works.

>>16207090
>I mean grammar and spelling is taken care of by google docs for the most part,
google docs and ms word are really bad at that. but thats not really what an editor is for.
editors have a lot of tasks. they make sure sentences make sense and are logical. narration and dialog are flowing correctly and they fix pacing and wording. they do a lot.

>>16207102
>>16206651

>small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status quos
Did he even fucking read TLotR? In the end it is not the King who saves Middle Earth, but two humble Hobbits from the Shire. When war threatens Eowyn's home, she doesn't bow to the expectations of gender, but rides to war alongside her uncle and slays the witch-king. Gandalf is not the leader of his order, Saruman starts off the great white wizard. And although Aragon is heir to the throne by blood, he is always portrayed as an outsider, as much at home in the wilds as in a palace, and resisted at first by the established hierarchy of Gondor. And he spent decades earning his stripes as a ranger before necessity forced him into a leadership role, he didn't simply waltz into Gondor and claim the throne by inheritance.

>his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity
Mieville comes closest here to making an actual point, since there isn't much nuance in Sauron or his orcs. But still, what about Saruman, or Denethor? It's not like Tolkein doesn't address the corruption of power (and he does it a lot more subtly and believably in the books than it was done in the films, where Saruman and Denethor are essentially hypnotised to aid Sauron, rather than Sauron playing on their intellectual weaknesses). And what about Gollum? How the fuck can he say there's no moral complexity in Tolkein's works when they hinge on a character so vile and yet sympathetic at the same time?

is niel hancock any good?

>>16207090
being the writer and the sole omniscient character of your story it's very fucking difficult to imagine the experience some completely unaffiliated person may have reading it.

there's no real task description and results may vary. they may find flaws in your prose (ie 'this metaphor makes no fucking sense") or tell you the pacing needs to be reworked or that you need to remove some info-dumps.

they might tell you to add vampires because that's what happens to sell at the moment. it's not a perfect system.

not knowing what the fuck they're up to is part of the point I think.

>>16207109
Chink Melvin is a communist. His opinions do not matter at all.

>>16207102
>can help the reader understand what is right.

In what way does lotr do this? Since the enemy in the books doesnt represent anything real theres never any nuance or question about what the "right" thing is.

>>16207189
>ad hominem

>>16207189
imagine being this fucking scared of a mode of production

>>16207196
especially considering how Tolkien eschews symbolism entirely

can't even argue that the orcs are an allegory for fascism or whatever

>>16207216
>>16207227
>>>/lgbt/

>>16207244
>>>/pol/
>>>/out/
>>>/gulag/

Why does LOTR trigger the commie simps so much? Of all the things to cry about these retards pick a book about midgets with magical rings lol

Anyone read any good sci-fi lately? I'm adequately impressed with Terra Ignota right now.

>>16207262
They hate beauty in any form.

Thoughts on Jade City/Jade War?
I've been searching for a mob/yakuza story for some fucking reason and I've heard some praise for this series

>>16207042
I'd disagree, theres alot of interesting concepts in "Futurist" scifi that are the focus of the book that would make great flavor text in a cyberpunk world. In Triton by Samuel R. Delany there was an anti-gravity attack that fucked up civilans everywhere, that would make a great premise for an occean 11 style chapter where a group of goons rob a low-grav dance club to steal some mcguffian. I feel like what makes cyberpunk as a genre is how casually high tech things are at times but grounded in some form through only a handful of people would have this technology aka megacorps.

>>16207273
Wasn't that letter from Raymond Chandler, the guy who made noir into a literal meme? It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

>>16207262
>good vs evil
>one true leader

Because the ideas presented in lotr is what leads to fascism

>>16206797
Asimov is a must-read for Sci-fi if you want to really get into it. Not beacuse his works are godlike or anything like that, but because he's really influential.

I'd recommend trying his one off books first, like "Pebble in the sky" or "I, robot", and if you enjoy his style read the Foundation Trilogy. Only move on to the otehr foundation books if you really enjoy his stuff though, as they aren't as good

>>16207299
the human brain is capable of telling fiction and reality apart.

you don't become a white nationalist after reading LotR for the same reason you don't go murdering hookers after playing GTA.

>>16207299
The Scouring of the Shire essentially describes Freikorps cleansing their homeland of traitorous communists.

wtf I love fascism now

>>16207347
>"now"
you aren't fooling anybody

>>16207276
I dislike communards as much as any other denizen of a post-communist westernized country, but your meme is wrong. The Soviet Union had a lot of good state sponsored music, art, literature and so on. As long as you didn't go against the party line and get censored.
>#notallcommunists

>>16207297
It apparently was, but I suspect this was not that serious of a letter.

>>16207104
>>16207163
Okay, so..
How do books like Malazan get published? Genuinely curious because I can imagine an editor sitting down read the draft of book one and saying “yeah, the average guy will totally understand what’s happening here”

I finished Rage of Dragons. It was fun seeing Tau shit on people in the last half but it took too long for the book to become interesting. I thought it was overall a mundane setting and atmosphere (military melee warfare shenanigans #587320532753) but I guess I'll read the second book when it's out. I feel like the overall background plot needs to go somewhere, it has to be more than just us vs them genocide like there's some weird key element missing. I did notice an offhand mention of how the Youngling was not a dragon of the type that normally answer summons(?) but it didn't go anywhere aside from being another lie on the side of the Omehi--in order to fool the dragons further, I suppose.

>>16207424
it was a different time. readers back then on average where on a higher level. incidentally publishers provide marketing and editors.

>>16207196
Britain spent the 1930s desperately trying to avoid a war with Germany only to find that their attempts to make peace had simply strengthened an enemy that had no interest in finding common ground. And that should have been obvious, but the intellectual elite of Britain, morale broken by the last war, dressed their cowardice up as pacifism, and looked the other way while Hitler strengthened himself.

I know Tolkein claimed that LotR has no allegorical meaning, but sometimes the allegories creep in whether you mean them too or not.

What is it Theoden says? 'I would not bring war against Isengard upon my lands', or something like that. And Gandalf answers 'War is upon you whether you would have it or not'. Denethor and his predecessors turned a blind eye to the enemy reoccupying Barad-dur, neglected the defence of the lands east of the Anduin, and generally stuck their heads in the sand right up until Sauron's armies were literally at their walls. Neville Chamberlain may not have set himself on fire, but it's hard not to make the comparison.

Tolkein teaches us to make the hard choice early on rather than take the easy road only to find yourself in a pit too deep to get out of. He doesn't shy away from the costs of war, but he makes the case that the sort of traditionalist thinking about war that gets you called a jingoistic warmonger by Cambridge-educated intellectuals like Mieville (who for all his proletarian pretensions has just as much of a silver spoon as anyone) actually has a purpose.

>>16207424
it gets selected on the basis of merit. that sometimes happens. also SFF publications tend to specialize so it's not like every fucking novel needs to be YA shit.

>>16207438
GotM, in its exact form, would absolutely be published if it was written today

>>16207312
will do, from the summery reminds me of pic related.

>>16206169
That's what you get for reading a black author

>>16207227
Imagine unironically believing in fantasy

>>16207446
Yeah but guess what idiot? There’s no stance on any real modern issues like abortion or immigration so what’s the point. Also they don’t have any real deeply flawed heroes like Zuko from avatar or relatable villains with sad backstories like Pain from Naruto. It’s shit.
>b-but he invented a language
Maybe he should have invented some sex scenes instead

>>16207507
Huh, never heard of this series, but yeah, they do seem kinda simmilar. Though The Foundation is more sociologial than character driven in its story

>>16207550
Little merge between /tv/ and /lit/ but I read Roadside Picnic last week, really enjoyed the book and watched Stalker, which certainly had an impact but I definitely liked the book more than the movie, and I'm very, very surprised more people haven't tried to take a shot at making a movie or a tv show that sticks much closer to the book.

Starting Solaris and plan on checking out the movie once I'm through with it.

>>16207610 here
Sorry, didn't mean to get >>16207550 poster
in the reply, it was meant just as a general response.

>>16207610
Roadside picnic is in TBR, so I'll be sure to give it some priority based on your recommendation.

Any advice going into it? (what to expect, what not to expect, etc)

Need help finding the name of a creature and the book/franchise it appears in.
It's like a red bear like creature with sharp ling claws and no (?) eyes. Supposed to be near unkillable and super super dangerous in the setting. Seen a scetch and description of it sometime somewhere. Perhaps in a 4chan thread on /tg/? Might ask over there as well.

>>16206883
You're a flaming retard if you think ASOIAF is only (or even mainly) about muh subversion.

>>16207610
If that image realy is a cover for it, thats a fantastic cover art.
>>16207630
Without any spoilers, its more about the characters and their lives rather than the an exploration of the sci-fi elements

>>16207781
> more about the characters and their lives rather than the an exploration of the sci-fi elements
Huh, that's different from what I'm used but par for the course from what I've heard and for russian literature in general

>>16206221
>not posting the proper Burroughs
Go back to your covid-riddled schools, this has been the longest influx of summerfags ever. Edgar Rice Burroughs is fucking based.

>>16206581
Leave and never come back you mouth-breathing ingrate.

>>16206331
GRI approved works =/= Smut. You should neck yourself for thinking they're the same thing.

>>16206829
>I like something, therefore it's a masterpiece

>>16207610
I liked both the original Solaris and the George Clooney remake. Not quite as good as Roadside Picnic or Stalker, but still fun and atmospheric.

>>16207446
>Britain spent the 1930s desperately trying to avoid a war with Germany only to find that their attempts to make peace had simply strengthened an enemy that had no interest in finding common ground
Only because the common ground Britain would have is to return Germany to the will of the bankers

>>16208016
but I said I also read stuff like wolfe and cook who I learned about here. So I think I'll stay

>>16207630
All I can say is if you played STALKER or saw the movie first, while both take plot elements from the novel, the story is much more about sort of how people at various stations in society respond to the alien nature of The Zone, and how that affects people and society at large. It's not as abstractly philosophical as the movie, and there's not as much action as someone might think coming from the game (almost no one takes guns into the Zone).

But it's just a very different and memorable take on the usual first contact story. And in many ways I felt is almost more Lovecraftian than most Lovecraft stories from the stark indifferent,apathetic, and often horrifying nature of the Zone and the Visitation as far as humans can attempt to understand it.

It's a classic for a reason, and I'm very glad I bought the book. The audiobook I got off of Amazon/ Audible is nice for listening while on a run or driving, but I thought was just sort of functional, didn't think much of it from I think a slight I think New York accent in the narrator, but milage may vary from that.

9/10 book, highly recommend it. Onto Solaris.

>>16207781
I think it was concept art for the canceled pilot for a series that AMC was considering.

>>16207984
>gets mad that someone posts an author he doesn't like
<yes it is you who is a literal child.
kek.

>>16207735
>red bear like creature with sharp ling claws and no (?) eyes
Tardigrade?

>>16208087
What do you think they are?
GRI is smutty and degenerate.

>>16208177
>Only because the common ground Britain would have is to return Germany to the will of the bankers
You're saying that Russia is not at the will of the bankers?

>>16207299
Seems like fascism is inevitable in a world where literal dark forces want nothing more than to corrupt all that's good.

Kind of like what's happening now, I used to be a centrist when I thought my opponents were human

>>16208398
I'm saying if you want a real book to read, read one that's banned on Amazon

Any based riot police/domestic security sf?

>>16207299
This is the most jewish post in here ever. Well done.

thoughts?

>>16206455
I've been not reading The Crippled God because of this for 2 years now. I've lost my copy.

>>16208514
>frankenstein
>first sf novel
fuck off.

>>16208646
which one? H. G Wells?

So what's the market like for sword and sorcery? Like is there a healthy demand for murderous muscular barbarians and sexy bikini woman adventurers? Like a good deal of interested magazines?

>>16208714
No. The only market is for the niggers to write stories about queers.

>>16208411
Why is it banned?

>>16208714
>Like is there a healthy demand for murderous muscular barbarians and sexy bikini woman adventurers?
This is what unironically nearly killed literary S&S in the 80s.

>>16208820
Why indeed

>>16208820
I'll give you a hint: JEWS

>>16206353
coomer-kino

>>16208714
>So what's the market like for sword and sorcery?
the only people that read modern S&S are warhammer fantasy and heavy metal fans, and you don't want to get involved with them.

Has the zombie genre of book really been hit upon?

>>16209285
Not all of us want to read simpoid epic fantasy, virgin.

>>16209297
S&S died 40 years ago
Keep Seething

>>16205941
Actual /sffg/ discord, the one not run by an obese mexican pedophile: https://discord.gg/FXDaKEy

>>16209322
>>16205941
Thank you for demonstrating why discord is retarded, and posting discords here is retarded

>>16209312
>IT'S NOT POPULAR ANYMORE SO YOU SHOULDN'T READ IT
lol nice try, fat.

>>16209326
A live chatroom for /sffg/ would be okay as long as it's not being run by some mentally ill pedophile faggot who thinks his name is Alice but it's really probably Pedro.

>>16209337
>A live chatroom
Where do you think you are

>>16209348
An imageboard.

>>16209351
I'd say people who would want a live chatroom for every general they're a part of would tend to be pedophile faggots who think they're something they're not. If you have something you want to talk about, say it here. If what you want to talk about is retarded garbage, just go find a discord that already exists

>>16209358
No, Pedro.

>>16209374
You caught me I'm a discordfaggot

tuon is white

>>16207610
Lem (author of Solaris) disliked the Clooney Solaris film. Don't know about the other one.

>He figured out the guy's cypher in 30 seconds
>Yeah, he already knew sympathy lol
>Dude, sigoldry? Fuckin simple dude!
>Luckily my stage training
>Dude
>My stage training
>That would've worked
>But my stage training
>And my music
>And my acting
>(from my stage training)
>Yeah, and I just fuckin called the wind
>So I lock picked his window
>Broke my mind into 5 parts and electrocuted all the bandits
>And fucked a fairy

Holy shit, what a shitty self-insert Mary Sue fuck

Is american gods good? I can't remember people talking about it except calling gaiman a faggot. I'm looking for mythological fantasy, as in actual gods fighting each other. Think of the movie clash of titans

>>16209322
>>16205929
> Saving you from Discord trannies one new thread at a time. You're welcome.
You are the Discord tranny, anon.

>>16205923
i really like grass dragon.

>>16206743
read the first four and loved them, then kept putting Wolves of the Calla on down and starting again over 4 years, then finished the last two in the next couple months. And honestly though it was a slog I'd still say Song of Susannah was the worst since it was just a prologue. Ending was alright, King's intense hatred of the guy that hit him is always enjoyable. I have Wind through the Keyhole but haven't read it yet, I'll get around to it someday

>>16209643
No, you're thinking of the other guy.

>>16209662
fuck off tranny

>>16209718
Yeah, I agree - Aeos the obese pedophile tranny should fuck off.

>>16209813
No one cares about your Discord drama, fuck off.

>>16209824
Thank you, I agree. Aeos the obese pedophile tranny should definitely fuck off!

>>16209642
>as in actual gods fighting each other. Think of the movie clash of titans
you gonna have to look elsewhere. have you read Sandman? american gods it's basically sandman in book form, Abstract Entities, Gods, Monsters and Mythical beings just walking around the city talking about their feelings, sometimes they kill each other but it's not action driven.

>>16206353
>>16206399
You're both close but wrong. For me, its the puppet masters

Also, how is doublestar

Thoughts on long way to a small angry planet?

It’s so fucking corny in all the worst ways, has zero conflict, and reads like it was written by someone who still frequents tumblr.

its a perrin episode

>tfw one of your favorite modern writers locks his twitter
Why would he do this to me

>>16210037
4 books in and mat is just this guy with a gambling addiction. At least now he has a special staff, wow.

>>16209941
>and reads like it was written by someone who still frequents tumblr.
Because it literally was.

>>16210094
wait until you get to whole chapters devoted to the dream world

>>16209941
I was mildly interested in the world, but found the characters to be pretty insufferable. As a whole, the story seemed to go nowhere.

>>16210094
Mat is a show stealer, his entire plot is hilarious.

What Dune story do you wish was told

>>16210153
>By Frank Herbert
Something about heretical breeders to the extremes. How far would he have gone down the perverted path?

>By Brian Hackbert and KJA
"Profits of Dune; Why we fucked my dad's corpse"

>>16209642
Yes, it's good but it's not what you need. They don't fight, they talk a lot, fuck a lot and when it comes to killing they resort to very mundane ways.

Faggots, write a weird story about my shoes.

>>16210208
For sale
Baby shoes
Only worn by faggot

>>16206455
Which series, anon?

>>16210208
Ask Ligotti.

>>16210217
10/10.
would buy.

>>16205941
PROLOGUE to CHAPTER TWO
This was originally a self-published novel.
A lot of times I feel like prologues are "let's just add a short story at the beginning at probably isn't going to be representative of the rest". Are they for marketing purposes to start "in media res" so that those who only give a book a few paragraphs chance will impulse buy it? Sometimes it's almost like a bait and switch. That or they are infodumps to establish the setting and various others things.
I had significant difficulty trying to continually keep my mental imagery that all the Omehi are black. Probably because I don't have enough to draw upon from either real life or media. All that things that could be imagined and yet this presents difficulty. Since I know so little about African culture in general, and for this in particular Xhosa culture, it's unknown how much and how many references I'll be missing out on. It makes me wonder how much research I ought to do, and how necessary that ought to be for anything.
Something called The Cull is hunting them down, which must be rather powerful considering they control dragons and various magics.
2,500 sea/ocean(?)-faring ships is certainly a lot. How many 10s of 1,000s, if not more, people would that be? It's unclear.
They come from Osonte on warships and other types of boats. The world is called Uhmlaba.
There seems to various types of magic for The Chosen. Not really clear how it works aside from that it draws from some other dimension called
There seems to be a very ridged caste system, which my primary reference would be for India. Though it also reminds me of Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter because it seems to be based upon how much dragon heritage a person has with a similar caste system. What an unfortunate game that was.
186 years cycles/"years" later chapter 1 begins.
What role shall his half-sister play?
Enervator magic seems similar to necromancy.
"They'd been shocked to learn that the races mixed, polluting their blood lines and risking their gifts"
Purebloods do magic better as according to them, but is that how actually is? Seems to be more about how Taifa forcibly removed their magic.
Zuri, the love interest. No doubt this will be an ill fated relationship.
Bronze age tech level, so 1000s of years ago.
I assume the protagonist is a teenager.
Alas for a rapacious nobility and the beginning of the tale of revenge.
Matriarchal society.
Dragons are all over.
Queen doesn't marry, but bears children of the Champion.
I'm conflicted about using various untranslated words in place of their English similar. It reminds me of the silliness of some Japanese fan translators who say some words simply cannot be translated and must remain as they are. However, it does provide a sense of otherness and gives a different sort of flavor to the reading.
From what I saw of what people posted online, the book has a "glossary", but if it does, it certainly wasn't included in what I have.

>>16207282
I personally am huge on cyberpunk, and i hate how many people, stemming mostly from literature it seems, artificially narrow it down to low society vs megacorps in near future. Cuberpunk can be, and is so much more than that.

>>16211082
How do you define cyberpunk, anon?
also, i don't think anyone is saying 'low society vs megacorps'. this sounds like a strawman you have created in your head.

>>16211096
I'm not saying anyone here is necessarily (though it was implied), but it i very prevalent among people.

For me cyberpunk is an examination of the human condition through a man-machine interface perspective.

>>16211114
>For me cyberpunk is an examination of the human condition through a man-machine interface perspective.
That's not cyberpunk. It *can* be cyberpunk, but it could be any other type of SF too. Cyberpunk *is* high tech, low life.

>>16211145
>16211145
Nah my man its the other way around, high tech vs low life can be cyberpunk, but is not always.

That's why AKIRA for example i not cyberpunk, and BLAME! is.

Genres are defined around conceptual meaning, not surface elements most of the time, and its definitely true for cyberpunk. This is why you can see experienced reviewers in cyberpunk split their rating among a cyberpunk visuals vs. cyberpunk themes ratings, since there are a lot of Bladerunner inspired works out that that are very similar and cyberpunk looking on the outside, but lack the actual thematic core.

>>16211096
Not him, but it’s absurdly common to hear. Still not as common as people thinking cyberpunk has to be set on rainy nights, but I blame that on Blade Runner being so massive.

>>16211171
>That's why AKIRA for example i not cyberpunk
Yes it is.

>>16211201
AKIRA is in part inspired by cyberpunk works, but it falls in the post-war Japanese apocalyptic fiction, has very little to nothing to do with cyberpunk thematically.

>>16211213
>because I say so

>>16211213
You mean aside from the entire plot being a conflict between government trying to use technology to guide human evolution vs a literal street punk, right?
Listen, the definition of Cyberpunk is High Tech Low Life, as stated by the man who literally invented the term Cyberpunk. You can make up whatever you like in your head, but that's just you being obtuse.

>>16211225
The guy that coined it made the definition to explain his own work, but the genre grew beyond that scope decades ago.

With that definition you potentially can't fit in Lain, and not at all BLAME!, which are cyberpunk masterpieces.

Even places like the cyberpenk information database do not solely use that term and also think its outdated.

>>16211224
There are many papers written on AKIRA, it is an inherently Japanese piece of media in a way Moby-Dick is American, or Great Expectations is English, it comes and defines its own literary genre wholly unique from cyberpunk.

There was a good video on YT that went a bit into this, not sure if it was this one, can't check now, but here it is anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5XeDQ6sb2g

>>16208355
It actually did look a little like a tardigrade, from what I remember. Like a naked bear... thing. A bit cone shaped face. Description was a bit donutsteel but that could have just been Anon's fault.

>No normal or reasonable or balanced or well-adjusted person is going to attempt the making of a story or a tune or a statue or a poem; he'll have no need for such abnormal activity. A person has to be somehow deficient or lacking in person or personality or he will not attempt these things. He must be very deficient or lacking if he will succeed at all in them. Every expression in art or pseudo-art is a crutch that a crippled person makes and donates to the healthy world for its use (the healthy world having only the vaguest idea that it even needs crutches).
>There are, I know, many apparent glaring exceptions to the rule that only persons who are deficient or lacking in person or personality will contribute any creative content. Believe me, these exceptions are only apparent. There is something badly unbalanced in every one of them.

>—R.A. Lafferty

Anyone else read this? Did I get memed again? It was this or Spaceman of Bohemia.

The premise is interesting, not sure how unique, but I guess super evolved spiders in terraformed world, allied with mantis shrimp colonies and telling spider Indiana Jones legends can't be that common in SF, but all the inner monologuing is jarring and a little schizoid, and the way the chapters are spread shits on the pacing. The first couple of chapters were definitely a challenge.
I'm about 100 pages in and I don't know how the satellite sends the math puzzles or if it's just spider religion things.

>>16211082
I mostly associate cyberpunk with film and anime, what would you suggest for reading other than Neuromancer?

>>16211366
>>16207042

>>16211386
Done all that already. But if there's only one good cyberpunk book then discussion of the genre probably doesn't belong here.

>>16209255
Recommend more
>coomer-kino

>>16211424
There's more Gibson (Burning Chrome, Bridge series), his buddy Sterling, Snow Crash (comparable to Neuromancer except it's satire), Shockwave Rider, Dreams of Amputation, that god awful Altered Carbon series, maybe some PKD,

>>16211454
I suggest people consider suicide first before Altered Carbon.

>>16211244
Lain is a schoolgirl, not a lowlife. The rave scenes are cyberpunk because for a while she becomes a sleazebag. But overall no Lain is not cyberpunk based on the definition High Tech, Low Life.

>>16211513
Yeah, hence why that definition is useless and shouldn't be used for defining cyberpunk.

>>16207109
Youre the only person who has given a succinct and nuanced answer to Mieville any time I've posted the quote. Well done.

>>16207109
Moorcock has a better trashing of Tolkien. Most Tolkienfags here are /tv/ refugees.

Tolkien is an artifact and nothing more, his value is historical at this point.

>>16211669
Yeah the only one dumb enough to do a serious reply to a bait pic and brainlet post by Mieveille.

Sup /sffg/, I'm looking to expand my fantasy chops by diving into Sanderson's Cosmere works and was wondering what the best entry point is? Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, or The Stormlight Archive?

>>16211982
Don't read Sanderson, he's trash. But either Mistborn or Storm light depending on what you're looking for (finished or unfinished).

>>16205923
I want to read the Zothique stories by CAS, any advise on specific edition, or someone have a link for download on hand?

>>16211982
>expand my fantasy chops
>by diving into Sanderson's Cosmere works
So you're either a sanderfag or new.

Sanderson is entry tier, and low reading-comprehension-required YA.
Mistborn is decent. Stormlight Archive is good only for Kaladin and Dalinar.
Pick a better author.

>>16212012
I'm not an extensive fantasy reader by any means, but I've read quite a bit of Tolkien (The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, & The Silmarillion), The Wheel of Time, ASOIAF, and The Witcher series. Sanderson's original works seem like the next logical step.

>>16211965
I bait every/sffg/ thread with it and they never catch on

>>16212006
For older or half forgotten authors, Ballantine's editions, look for anything curated or edited by Lin Carter/Karl Edward Wagner.

>>16212037
Those others are all superior, but mainstream enough that you may still like Sanderson. If you want to try something a bit more challenging and well-respected, try Book of the New Sun.

>>16212043
Cool, can you stop now though?

>>16212037
I'd recommend checking out one of the Fantasy charts rather than going into Sanderson pieces that aren't Mistborn - you aren't going to be 'enlightened' or fulfilled by his other works.
Mistborn is finished and was written okay enough. You can see why he became popular from it, but everything after is just shallow and fuelled by his hype-slaves.
STA is straight up filler reading with one good character.

>>16212052
>>16212006
I should add, those authors would be Dunsany, Clark Ashton Smith, Hodgson, Lovecraft, William Morris, George McDonald and David Lindsay(I'm not 100% sure these last 2 were republished then).

>>16212006
Go balls deep, you won't regret it.

>>16212085
Holy fucking Christ, those look gorgeous. Weren't cheap though, were they?

>>16212095
The hardbacks are expensive as fuck because they are out of print, but these paperbacks are quite affordable, specially if you live in the US or UK. Check Bookdepository, or your local (or closest) Amazon. I'm pretty sure you won't find them in a normal bookstore.

>>16212085
Which volume of these has the Zothique writings?

>>16212109
I don't live in the Anglosphere but Bookdepository has been reliable and not very expensive. Thanks anon.

>>16212130
Books 3, 4 and 5. The Empire of the Necromancers is the first story of the Zothique cycle.

>>16212177
>The Empire of the Necromancers
Just read the first couple of paragraphs, I'm already impressed by the evocative language.

>>16212288
There are some cool Zothique maps out there as well.

>>16212371

>>16205923
Do these books get better as the the series goes on?
I am listening to Gardens of the Moon because I wanted some genre fiction romp to entertain me while I do the dishes, and while some parts made me roll my eyes a little bit I do enjoy it, so I might actually read it for real if the series is worth it

>>16212877
How the fuck can you listen to it and keep track, I can't even listen to Harry Potter

>>16212885
I'm not having any trouble honestly, this one in particular isn't as well suited to audio as Harry Potter would be, but if I get distracted I can always rewind 30 seconds
Maybe I just listen to podcasts and stuff a lot and got used to the format
It helps that everyone has stupid names and the narrator is doing overblown gruff retard voices

>>16212877
Once you hit Deadhouse Gates there is no going back.

>>16205941
I heard about a second book is it out yet?

>>16213375
> Expected publication: November 10th 2020

>>16211065
CHAPTER THREE to CHAPTER FIVE
Embarrassing the nobility ends with father's death and thus intensifies the tale of revenge.
Of course Zuri is gifted. How could it be any other way?
Turns out Tau's revenge on Lekan came much more quickly than he expected. What a wasted speech on him! Thus exile begins.
Most buildings and similar are made of adobe it seems
"Two million Chosen in The Rend"
Kigambe has "several hundred thousand citizens". Certainly sizable for its time.
"genocidal silver skinned immortals" who perpetuate the cull
hedeni are 10 to 1 of chosen population.
Kill them, kill them all, revenge continues to intensify.
#5,040. Certainly are a lot of participants to get through in 3 days.
Loses the first match basically and get picked with only 5 times of the expected 9. How lucky for him that "determination" is so highly valued.
"role I left more than cycles ago" - probably 40s then?
Tau's murder and exile and other problems are going better for him that I thought they would. Seems it was much less of an issue than I thought it'd be.
Moon cycle is a month?
Seems their scale (platoon) really took out the other scale.

Are the chronicles of amber worth it?
Also, is the throne of glass worth it too or is some YA shit?

>>16211082
>>16211114
Imagine being this much of a pretentious brainlet, whining about people being reductive about a sub-genre, only to have an even more reductive "definition" for it that can be literally applied to anything even remotely sci-fi.

>>16213484
My definition is a lot broader. Like we discussed already, in the old definition things like Lain and BLAME! aren't cyberpunk, while under mine they are. Also places like the cyberpunk internet database use a definition that is really similar to mine, so I didn't come up with this alone either.

>>16213484
>>16213583
One more cyberpunk focused site which gives a pretty lose to mine definition: https://archive.is/1rZR

Fuck E william Brown

prince of nothing: fantasy, perfected

>>16213650
Akka did nothing wrong.

>>16213650
The first trilogy was based, the second got stupid as fuck and it was clear Bakker stopped editing halfway through.

>>16213650
More like Prince of Slog: Fantasy Borefected.

>>16211808
Nice try, Michael. I'm sorry Tolkien made fun of your hippie clothes all those years ago, but you should really let it go.

>>16212885
Because he isn't an attentionlet, like your low iq self.

>>16213455
>is the throne of glass worth it too or is some YA shit?
Yes.

>>16212006
http://www.eldritchdark.com/

>>16211982
just read the emperor's soul. sanderson's only good work (the rest are meh but mistborn's lord ruler is pretty cool i guess)

>>16211454
>>16211465
Fuck both of you, altered carbon is the male equivalent of a harlequin romance novel. Its a full on good time.

This was fun, is the rest of the series good?

>>16213883
I think people generally agrees Revelation Space is peak Reynolds
Book 2 and 3, while still good, is surely a (small) step down, IMO
I much prefer Chasm City and The Prefect to Revelation Space book 2 & 3
But they are all much the same, in the same setting

I've read a lot of his stuff, I like it all, short story collection Galactic North is great
-House of Suns, another setting. I liked maybe best out of all his books. But that is bias due to it being the fist of his I read.

>>16213650
*buggers you*

>>16212877
The first is the worst one after that it is fantastic

>>16214183
Thank you!

>>16213021
>>16214409
Sounds good bros

>>16206797
If you want old-school cyberpunk, try Hardwired and Solip:System by Walter Jon Williams and the Marid Audran books (When Gravity Fails, A Fire in the Sun, The Exile Kiss) by George Alec Effinger. Oh, and the Mirrorshades anthology edited by Bruce Sterling.

>>16213650
Yes, but why did Koringus an hero?

>>16214689
Because the judging eye shattered his understanding of the Logos, that the Absolute isn’t just a passive Zero, but an active It. So he killed himself out of a desire to become one with the Absolute. He makes a literal leap of faith. And the judging eye approved.

Any advice where to get the Culture series on audiobook because i listen on my commute dont judge me

>>16205923
>SHORT STORIES EDITION

Give me your best fantasy short stories, /lit/.

Blow my mind.

>>16214932
Make your own on AI dunegon

>>16212877
I didn't realize I liked the series until I dropped it and found myself thinking about it often, but to answer your question it definitely does get better after GotM

If i liked the book of the new sun, is it worth reading long sun anf short sun? Or are they cash grabs?

>>16205923
Red rising isn’t YA, r-right darrowbros?

>>16205923
Any cool short story collections?

The Horus Heresy is the best series in modern sci-fi. Nothing can compare. The series itself isnt cucked like modern sci fi. It has over 50 novels. Even has different authors for different perspectives. The 40k lore itself is the best sci-fi universe handsdown. In 50 years this will be the Foundation of the early 2000’s

>>16214978
They're not cash grabs. Yes, they're very good but they're very different (particularly Long Sun), and they're books, not video games or movies, so don't go into them expecting the same atmosphere, language, etc.

>>16214932
Lynortis Reprise

>>16215022
For any Finnish anons, there's this - a fucking fantastic one but you have to find it with book-sniffing bloodhounds these days. The Black Stranger by REH, The Tale of Satampra Zeiros by good old Klarkash-ton, Hok Goes to Atlantis by Manly Wade Wellman, Black God's Kiss by CL Moore, Thunder in the Dawn by Henry Kuttner.

The Second Apocalypse Saga by R. Scott Bakker, consisting of the Prince of Nothing Trilogy and the Aspect Emperor Tetralogy.
Think Dune meets Lord of the Rings.
It is the logical conclusion to the Science Fiction and Fantasy Genres.

>>16215251
Is the second trilogy worth it?

>>16215251
based /fit/ anon

>>16215268
control f to find someone saying its shit

>>16215251
How can people be this retarded?

>>16215171
Based. Check out pic related.

>>16215368
Sword & sorcery is lowbrow

>>16215398
Return to your containment board, tranny.
>>>/lgbt/

>>16213650
Why was Esmet such a self-centred bitch?

>>16215368
I'll have to check this out, since sword and sorcery - specifically Conan - turned me into the full-blown fantasy enthusiast I became, and the guy who's responsible for it is no other than the guy responsible for the anthology I posted. Markku Sadelehto really deserves some sort of award for life achievement in the field of translating sword and sorcery and the Cthulhu mythos into Finnish. He did, I think, every REH Conan story, two other S&S anthologies, and a shitload of Cthulhu mythos. The second S&S collection has jewels like Orson Scott Card's Sand Magic, Tanith Lee's Draco and Roger Zelazny's The Bells of Shoredan in it.

>>16211299
I think it's implied that it is via a radio signal, via some kind of simple code. Just keep reading, it ramps up. It's better sci-fi than Spaceman of Bohemia, but that's because that book is less sci-fi and more of an exploration of the sad life of the main character. But it's good drama and a memorable book.

>>16214923
audiobookbay, it is a good site to search from save for the quirk that romance and haremshit are also tagged as fantasy or sci-fi, so it is tedious to browse new releases.

anybody recommend me a good horror short story, preferably fantasy based (can just be folklore/mythology but in the real world) please?

>>16215626
Check out Laird Barron's stuff. Occultation is really solid and has a lot of creepy weirdness in modern day situations.

>>16207446
>Britain spent the 1930s desperately trying to avoid a war with Germany only to find that their attempts to make peace had simply strengthened an enemy that had no interest in finding common ground
This is false. Outwardly they tried to avoid a war but all the appeasement was to get some form of military rearmament ready to actually face Hitler. The irony is that had the French not been cowards in 1939, they could have marched into Germany and just cut off the Germans (who were mostly in Poland at the time) from most of their war supplies. But the French refused and the British weren't strong enough to do it themselves. So they built trenches, did exercises and then the French refused to listen to all the info that the British gave them right up to the Fall of Paris. Then proceeded to blame the Brits for the loss. Which isn't a particularly new French gimmick, they've done PR campaigns for centuries. Even had they not go into Germany they would still had won had the French and British adapted their tactics and dropped Pocket Tank theory. I could go on but this isn't /his/. There is a lot of 'behind the scenes' books you can read on this matter.

>>16215644
Thanks. Any others? I'm absolutely shit at writing but I want to write and I'm trying to spread my genre knowledge. I just can't remember the right things to do.

>>16215609
Hory shiet it has titandeath

>>16215268
It’s good, but the ending suffers a bit because the publisher split it into two books instead of one.

>>16214932
I bought Swords Against Darkness II and Swords Against Darkness III the other day. I haven't read them yet, though.

>>16206221
Love me some Burroughs but his sci-fi is so far out there (and really it's just an extension of his normal weird style) that I'm not even sure it could be classified as such. I picked up Port of Saints recently but haven't given it a read-through yet.

>>16207273
I'm trying to finish up the entire Culture series by Iain Banks. Only got 3 books left, up to Matter now.

>>16215022
>https://discord.gg/FXDaKEy
The Wind's Twelve Quarters - Leguin
Night Shift - Stephen King (has a surprising amount of SF stories)
Burning Chrome - Gibson
Daughter of Regals - Donaldson

>>16215491
Because she’s a woman

So is this new Ridley Scott show a Gene Wolfe knockoff or what? Heavy Cerebus / New Sun vibe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAg6RTQEfeM&feature=emb_title

Are Martins Dream songs worth reading?

>>16215626
Sticks by Karl Edward Wagner
>>16215644
>>16215674
I would specifically recommend the story The Broadsword by Laird Barron.

>>16215534
https://dmrbooks.com/

One of the best publishers of S&S today. They even have a S&S anthology you can download for free and it has some really solid stuff.

>>16216038
I don't see the Wolfe vibes. Care to illuminate?

>>16216117
thanks

>found a sentient 1 million year old tree
>time to cut it down and turn it into a spear

>the tree anon is back

>cultivated a new fire skill
>time to test it’s Might out on this ancient old growth forest

>>16216038
First trailer looked interesting but the budget limitations really show on the second one.
>>16216148
Not him but it has some dying earth fae future high tech vibes. Also the female reminds me of the Long Sun's mayteras or the androids from 5HoC..

What's that?
Time to kill some trees?

>>16215667
Rec some good war histories that don't make one side the hero.

>>16215251
Have I made a mistake reading it this early in my fantasy reading career? I feel like no one can top kellhus. How can I enjoy other characters when I’ve read what my nigga kellhus can do?

>>16215491
She’s cool bro, Big K gets 100% straight barbarian dudes to want to fuck him, you can’t blame a literal whore. But yeah fuck her anyway I guess, fucking slut

Are there any good sff magazines? I want to give Heavy Metal a try but that's a /co/ thing, so I'll ask about Interzone instead.

>>16212056
Don’t listen to this fucking sperg. You’d probably like Sanderson based on your other reading. Start with Mistborn or Emperor’s Soul.

If you actually want something a little more challenging, move onto Malazan or almost anything else. Book of the New Sun is good, but it’s for more literary-minded readers.

The first book of Haruhi Suzumiya is unironically good. Sorry everyone.

>>16215976
Fucking discord trannies. I bet you're the conanfag too.

>>16217110
What about the rest of them?

>>16217119
Based Conanchads still triggering this tranny.

>>16216560
Yes. Everything else feels flat and one-dimensional in comparison.

>>16217130
Didn't read them, that was the only part of the anime I liked so I figured it's all downhill from there.

>>16217138
FUCK I DIDNT WANT THIS ANSWER YOU FAGGOT, IM BACKLOGGED FUCK

>>16217240
>>16217138
Fuck I also still need to read the Solar Cycle... thoughts?

Will conanfags ever come out of the closet? Discuss here

>>16217266
>>16217266
>>16217266
>>16217266
>>16217266

>>16213650
this but unironically

>>16214997
its ya but its one of the few good ya series

>>16216297
>mastered a new fist skill, time to explode Mt. Everest

>>16216560
Kellhus doesn't hold a candle to Fang Yuan, his older, wiser, more ambitious eastern counterpart.

>>16209909
Doublestar is great.