/lit/ - Literature

I want to fuck a spider.

>>16181322
MAGNA
CUM

FukaEri

>>16181322
oof, imagine this slut having a nibble on your arsehole

>female writers
I'm reading Blood of the Tiger. Caveman adventure is comfy. I also bought The Mists of Avalon the other day, although I haven't started it yet. It's a fucking door stopper, I'm not especially looking forward to it.

>>16181322
Fuck E
Fuck William
Fuck Brown

What are some elder god tier fantasy villains?

>>16181473
I'm a Tywin fan personally

>>16181473
>Napoleon destroying the sphinx's nose

>>16181326
Congrats on fully accepting your role as thread slave.

Honestly reading all of WoT seems like an epic quest in and of itself. As soon as I'm done with finals I'll start it.

>>16181787
I hope you like braid tugging

I finished Mage Errant 4. Pretty fucking meh.

>>16181872
Is this the series which starts with Into the Labirynth? I dropped it at the third book since it was getting more and more boring.

>>16181813
And folding your arms beneath your breasts

>>16181975
yes

>>16181322
Any good fantasy books that take inspiration from Aztec mythology?

>>16181438
Any other Caveman/ survivalist adventure you recommend?

>>16182053
The Plumed Serpent

>>16181322
How is this bitch so thicc.

>>16182228
She's been fed, and soon she'll be seeded.

>>16181322
only great female writer

AMAZON FICTION
There has to be something
come on guys
please
I need to consume something about my dick's favourite fantasy race

>>16181473
Who is the fag next to Lenin?

>>16182357
Last of the Amazons

>>16182357
The Amazons Pledge

>>16181473
How is Lenin a villain? He is pretty well liked here (soviet block country).

>>16181813
Nynaeve a qt

>>16181975
>since it was getting more and more boring.
You mean more and more YA-esque

>>16182307
She was already bred, anon. You're too late.

>>16182458
based, thanks sempai

>>16182549
What about my suggestion here >>16182422, asshole?

>>16182559
What about it?

>>16182563
f-fuck you

>>16182374
Ted Kaczynski better known as the Unabomber is an anarcho-primitivist and it's hard to refute any of his works.

>>16181473
This chart is and always will be stupid. It depresses me to this day that people take it seriously, and have taken it seriously for years. For a time I deluded myself by believing people were treating it as a joke and having a laugh but anymore I just have to accept people here are not even half as smart as they pretend to be.

Page 7?
No.

I'm reading harem shit and I'm actually enjoying myself for the first time in years. None of yall can stop me now.

>>16183312
what book bro

>>16181322
>Who is the greatest female writer of the modern era?
Easily Lois McMaster Bujold (Vorkosigan cycle).
> YA trash
lol no have some taste

>>16183347
https://www.amazon.com/Zeal-Mind-Flesh-Cultivating-Spellheart-ebook/dp/B07T99LC19
When you get past the robot shits it's actually fun.
I'm on the third book today. I'm flying through them. The robot a shit though, anytime he comes up I get depressed.

Who here reads isekai stories? I've been planning one about a guy who gets isekai'd and quickly becomes noticed by royalty and made into their military general, but around halfway through the story, one of his plans gets fucked up by technology that shouldn't exist in the world and it turns out there is another person who has been transported to the world with modern knowledge as well. After a few more conflicted meetings, the two use their nations as tools to try and make one united country which they can rule over, while intentionally fucking each other over as much as possible.
Is there an isekai that has multiple people from the modern world like explained above? I'm a high fantasy guy and avoid anime shit so I basically want to know if it exists so I can skim it and get general inspiration from it.

>>16181813
>>16181996
*sniff*

>>16183432
>Is there an isekai that...
Always assume "Yes" just by the sheer amout of it that comes out of japan

>>16183432
>writing isekai
Never gonna make it.

>>16183466
Yeah, I assume it exists, if not in a novel then in a doujin, but I have no idea where to look or how to find it because this stuff isn't my forte. So I was hoping a popular one did something similar.

Jaime and Brienne meeting Rheager

>>16183432
Just read/watch Drifters instead

>>16183612
Tywin funeral

>>16183631
Young Cersei and the witch

I'm in the mood lately for some good ol' sword and sorcery. What would you suggest that reads like a heavy metal album from the 80s?

Can a book get overloaded with sci-fi/fantasy concepts?
Like, the Avatar series (not the Cameron one, the drawn one) has all these dumb cliches, but somehow, ad I watch it, I can forgive that somehow. It seems integrated in some weird way.

But when I had this stupid idea to turn different categories of dream signs into 4 elements, I feel like it's probably a retarded distraction...
I have these characters with all these powers, and I thought maybe I could make them "cool" by doing all this and exploring how this alternative element paradigm would manifest since I usually only see earth fire water and emotion or value related shit, but then I realized it probably just seems tripe no matter what I do and is probably only there because I'm bored, stubborn, and nowhere to put this dumb idea...

Now I don't know what to do. I guess I could just basically say they have powers and leave it at that, but that bores me.

Yet I don't know what else to do. I feel like the four elements style thing doesn't juxtapose right with the usually dark, tense tone and just seems randomly dorky.

>>16183785
By the way, I'm not saying it's a clever idea. I never think that. It's just that a lot of the time, when I sit down at a notebook or whatever to jot out ideas, I start having all this max autismo ideas that do nothing and go nowhere if I don't at least use all the stupid little pieces for something.

But I'm not sure it's coming together. I think maybe it's just still trope and I'm not even sure if I can escape the feeling of trope, nor am I even sure I can escape it being an unclever trope at all.

Basically, I have no idea what I'm doing any more.

>>16183783
All of the stories are written by Metal musicians so it's exactly what you're looking for. Of course the quality is all over the place since they're all amateur writers, but there are some genuinely good stories and rarely any dull ones.

>>16181322
Why does her face look so fat

>>16181473
>villian

>>16181482
he didn't do that

I'm in the mood for lovecraftian / horror / weird mysterious kind of SFF. What recs you got lads?

>>16183966
Montague Rhodes James

>>16183966
Check out Laird Barron. Specifically his short story collections Imago Sequence and Occultation.

>>16184005
Forgot to mention I don't read dead people.
>>16184016
Will do but why does he wear the eye patch

>>16183966
in other worlds

>>16183862
Because she is a slam piggie. Got damn I wanna nut deep in Maas.

>>16183956
Sure Mr Revisionist History.

>>16183409
Bujold sold out, she only writes trash romance these days.

Vorkosigan is based tho.I even liked the books with romance
Curse of Chalion isn't bad either even though it's a little on the emo side of things.

Hi /lit/. What is your view of the Malazan: Book Of The Fallen and why is it the best fantasy ever-written?

Can anyone recommend me any other good fantasy that tosses meta-narratives to the side, has a grounding in irl anthropology and contains broad and varied themes?

Who's the female Tolkien?

>>16184513
Sadly there is nothing else like Malazan.

>>16184519
ur mom

>>16183966
The Fisherman by Langan

>>16184532
This has been my experience too. Until I was a child i have not read any fantasy I really enjoyed like i enjoy other /lit/.

Do you know of any Fantasy that explores Anti-Civilization themes like Erikson touches on with Karsa in Malazan and hopefully will explore more in the new books?

>“In my village no one is a stranger - and this is what civilization has turned it's back on. One day, Munug, I will make a world of villages, adn the age of cities will be over. And slavery will be dead, and there shall be no chains - tell your god. Tonight, I am his knight.' - Karsa Orlong.”

>>16184032
He lost the eye while stabbing a carnivorous horror to death with a broken bottle of Laphroaig 10.

Reminder: Do not read books by, about, or for women.

>>16184731
so based

>>16184731
Why tho? I really liked R. Hobb's Soldiers Son trilogy. le guin is pretty fun, too.

>>16184554
I thought the first 3/4ths of that book was pretty solid, but once we get to the black sky part with the Fisherman trying to trick Dan with the corpse of his wife . That part was a bit of a turn off. Also the fry cook being named Howard was a little too meta for my taste.

>>16184586
I’ve been thinking about trying to read Malazan. My concern is I made it to book 8 of WOT when I was younger but life got in the way for awhile and when I tried to pick it back up I had no idea what was going on. I couldn’t endure re reading that shit since a few of the books were slogs.How often does Malazan turn into a slog? I have a family and a fairly demanding career.
Am I kidding myself thinking I could do it?

>>16184731
While this is the rule, there are as with any rule, a few exceptions.

>>16184935
>How often does Malazan turn into a slog?
Frequently. It was the first series I read where I started skimming entire pages. You'll spend LOTS of time with characters who turn out to be fairly pointless or even flat out uninteresting. That being said I wouldn't say any of the books are slogs from beginning to end; just lots of moments where you'll be passively reading and waiting for something more interesting to happen.

>>16184984
So is it WOT tier slog or Tad Williams tier slog?

>>16185018
former

>>16185018
I've never read WoT or anything by Tad Williams and I never will so I can't answer that. But an epic fantasy series that goes beyond a trilogy will always have a certain amount of slog. Malazan is TEN books and each book is thicker than a Chinese phone book so expect plenty of slog.

>>16184984
>just lots of moments where you'll be passively reading and waiting for something more interesting to happen.
So a badly written book

>>16185132
That's the inherent nature of stupidly long epic fantasy though. The publishers are more to blame than the writers though. But yea there's a reason I don't read epic fantasy anymore unless it stays confided to three or less books.

>>16184532
>>16184586
W I T N E S S

>>16183432
I know of several, one where all of japan gets isekaied, one where it's a whole aircraft carrier, literally every single korean dungeon LN, and both of the best CN WNs have multiple people isekaied that majorly influence the plot and setting.

>>16185166
How Excited are you for the WITNESS series?!

>>16185242
Could I get a few titles? The CN WNs sound the most relevant, if the characters are in different nations and warring with one another.

>>16184513
Chronicles of an Age of Darkness

>>16185302
You want different nations, that's rarer. In both the CN ones(Lord of the Mysteries, and Reverened Insanity) the other transmigrators came is WAY earlier than the MC and are mostly setting details for the vast majority of the story before they start becoming directly relevant.
LotM takes place in steampunk fantasy world, and it turns out all the "modern" technology was "invented" by a previous transmigrator.
In Reverend Insanity there are lots of transmigrators, but it only follows one of them, and other transmigrators show up peppered throughout the story as historical figures, antagonists, etc... But they've all pretty much gone native, and were apparently from wildly different original worlds, so only a few of them become actual recurring important characters.
Legendary Mechanic is a Korean one where the MC gets isekaied into a videogame and then later the game launches and players start flooding in, but I personally didn't enjoy it.
Lots of Korean WNs are essentially about isekai worlds getting transported HERE, it's the korean version of "summoned as a hero to fight the demon lord" so the number of titles is incalculably gigantic, harder to find one that's NOT like that.
Nihonkoku Shoukan is the one with all of Japan, can't remember the aircraft carrier one, and I know I've heard of a chinese(or possibly korean) one about a few hundred people getting isekaied, but only in reference.

If all you want is politics and intrigue, RI is basically all elaborate corrupt politics/government schemes and plots/merchant fuckery/etc...
If what you want is earth technology in a fantasy setting, LotM is the best example, the entire setting is 100% blatantly the consequence of an isekai protagonist swinging his dick around.

>>16185462
Alright, thanks for all the information anon. I'll check out a few of them for ideas, LotM sounds like a good place to start but I'll check them all out and take notes to potentially draw upon later. The way you describe it, RI actually sounds like a cool idea for a story, so I might try reading it for personal enjoyment. I like the idea of historical figures being from other worlds. I appreciate the detailed write-up.

>>16182357
Not amazon but one of the main characters of the Prism Pentad series is a female gladiator

>>16183785
No one?

>>16185575
Tons of xianxia starts with “Died and then he woke up in a new world” but it really has no relevance on the plot

>>16185575
RI is just really good in general, best xiaxia by far, hell best worldbuilding for a book in general, if you don't mind "villain" protagonists.
LotM is also great, totally unique, and it just finished so you don't have to worry about waiting for chapters/it getting discontinued.

>>16185776
I'm actually having a hard time thinking of one that DOESN'T have an isekai protagonist. Even the ones where the MC is "native" he's usually falling from a higher realm, from another dimension, transported through history, etc...

>>16185799
It’s an easy way to start a story without dumping backstory or trying to think too much about why the character of the protag matches our worlds norms

But obviously most xianxia doesn’t start that way

>>16184586
Not fantasy but Hitler was into this. He saw big cities like LA, NY, London, and Paris as hubs of degeneracy and wanted to keep Germany as a large nation of many small towns. So maybe Mein Kampf?

>>16185738
Don’t add magic the gathering card super powers, that’s hella stupid

>>16184586
>Do you know of any Fantasy that explores Anti-Civilization themes
I don't know if "explores" is the right word, but Robert E. Howard was very anti-civilization and let it be widely known through his Conan tales. Also as a possible rebuttal to Howard's anti-civilization stance Karl Edward Wagner wrote a story called Two Suns Setting with his character Kane having a debate with a giant over the pros and cons of humanity (civilization) with the giant representing Howard's romantic notions of barbarism. You should read it; it's a short story and would take less than an hour to read I'm sure and it's very good. Here's even an article about it:

https://dmrbooks.com/test-blog/2020/1/27/the-compatibility-of-dwassllirs-romanticism-with-kanes-pragmatism-thoughts-on-karl-edward-wagners-two-suns-setting

>>16183785
>>16185738
I'm not sure what you're talking about. If you just mean loading down the book with elaborate autism systems, look no further than Sanderson, works for him!
If you mean philosophically, then just remember to join everything together. If you do it right it's not forced, it's just natural. Look up the four humors, there are already plenty of systems in place for matching emotions and dreams to elements and colors, it's intuitive.

>>16183785
Have you even read The Name of the Wind? It's literally what you're describing. Is it one of those "i want to write a novel but I can't be bothered to read the genre staples" episode?

You can watch Avatar because you grew with it. It's a weird phenomenom where certain generations can only palate childhood shit from their own era. Those who don't care are the worst kind of manchildren.
Yes, if you want the grim atmosphere as the focus, it would be dumb to clutter it with information and world building. If not, just present a different setting, in terms of tone.

Just be less autistic and thing of what a reader might enjoy. Sounds like you want to write the script and pitch for a video game rather than a book.

>>16185864
VERY based and funny post my friend! haha i just bet if a redditor sees your post they gonna freak out :lol:

>>16186013
>VERY based and funny post my friend! haha i just bet if a redditor sees your post they gonna freak out :lol:

I just finished the Mistborn trilogy (era 1) and I want to read the companion novel Secret History. Why can't I find an ebook of this? I'm not even trying to pirate, I'll pay for it.

>>16186193
https://www47.zippyshare.com/v/cxsRhVLq/file.html

>>16186013
it actually is kinda based desu

>>16186327
thanks anon cool of you to help me out

>>16186193
Secret History spoils an era 2 twist, so you might want to read that first.

>>16181322
>>16182228
>>16184187
Superior schlock fantasy mommy writer coming through

>>16182496
he started the Gulags

>>16186661
She isn't even thick, she's just fat.

>>16186327
Thank you anon!

FUck e will browne

I am once again here to shill Gods of Blood and Powder the Chathrand Voyage and How to Rule an Empire and Get Away With It.

>>16186661
oink oink

I'm tired of seeing only female agents picking only female clients. How can a CIS male make it in this industry.

>>16186930
Get fit and send an author profile pic that shows off your upper body

Good evening, fellow Daoists.

>>16186661
I read her Warcraft movie prequel and her prose was alright, better than the other Warcraft stuff I've read. What's her best work?

*blocks your path*

https://rsbakker.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/crash-space-tpb.pdf

>2020
>hasn't read crash space yet

>>16183966
>>16187075

>>16186949
This

>>16182496
he did stuff like order the secret police to go to an area and kill a certain number of people, can't remember the exact number but several thousand to teach them a lesson.

War communism was his policy which was literally just going into the countryside and torturing peasants until they told you where the grain was and stealing it to feed the cities (bolshevik power base), gorillions of peasants died because of that

>>16186193
Did you like it?
Just bought the first one and about to jump in.

>>16184731
The only good advice.

>>16182496
So you have never toppled his statue, huh. Tell your grandma not everyone share her indoctrinated beliefs.

>tfw reading a fantasy collection that's marketed as being 'dark' yet it turns out to be fairly Christian
Not even mad because there is dark stuff in these stories, but I wasn't expecting some of these stories to be blatantly Christian in their endings. It's refreshing. Almost Gemmell-ish.

>stand on Zanzibar
This is a struggle

>>16187805
which one

>>16187837
Why

>>16183035
what the hell is your problem.
this image is a general and somewhat light hearted criticism of the kinds of stories in movies and teen fiction books. Most bad guys just suck and have no motivation.
the chart describes a simple way to make them more interesting.

this isnt a historical analysis or comment on literary theory.

>>16181473
Bin Laden actually has a far more interesting back story. He was a millionaire born into privilege and chose to fight directly in combat, and left a life of comfort. through his courage, character, and religious leadership he gained huge political support.

He largely saw himself as fighting a religious battle against the degenerate western culture.

the dude literally is self-less and gave up a life of luxary to fight for his moral values.

>>16187988
Yeah, great, bring the FBI to one of the few passable threads on /lit/.

>>16187988
>He largely saw himself as fighting a religious battle
So he's just batshit insane, like every religious person. What's interesting about that?

>>16188019
>What's interesting about that?
The first paragraph you clearly glossed over

>>16187499
Buddy, unlike say USA, no one is indoctrinated in eastern europe. No one gives a flying shit about politics, unless it is to make fun of them. Lenin is quoted a lot, and generally considered to have been a cool dude but no one starts swooning over him, or, conversely, screeching over his existence like you faggots do over everyone who does or does not share your arbitrary party alignment (Democrats (the right) or Republicans (the far right)). Just look at how shit american scifi and fantasy now is because of that. You can't win awards unless you write thinly veiled political propaganda.

>>16187102
>>16186718
Sounds like sheer pragmatism, I suppose that is why he is elder god tier.

>>16188043
I've seen that kinda plot hundreds of times in anime, nothing special.

Oh great now yurokebabs AND real kebabs are shitting up the thread.

>>16188045
I'm too drunk to argue, but I can make a few points from your post:
You're way too butthurt about USA
You're a filthy gommie
You don't know jackshit about Eastern Europe (or maybe just an ignorant fenno-ugric r*ssian mongoloid)

>>16188070
Fuck off, special snowflake mutt nationalist, I have been living here all of my life, and like all intelligent people I will make fun of burgerland as much as I want.

>>16181322
Done with Urth of the New Sun. I had a great time. Will the Book of the Long Sun series be as enjoyable?

To the anon that suggested me Snow Crash: BASED. That book is amazing as fuck. The story, the dialogue... damn

>>16186337
>>16186026
>>>/pol/

Heretics of Dune bros;
I am nearly done with Heretics, and contemplating on reading Chapterhouse at this point.
I know it ends in 'tune in next time!' and papu-papu died before it was finished, so is there much point in reading it if I'm not going to read the KJA/Brian books?

>>16188750
It's got more Bene-Gesserit sexy times. If you bothered to read Heretics, Chapterhouse is no worse.

>>16183783
Black Sun Rising

>>16186901
How to Rule an Empire isn't as good as 16 Ways to Defend a Walled City

I think Parker strikes gold only a few times- Prosper's Demon is good, *some* of the stuff with Salonius, the story about the founding of the Invisible Sun religion, that's it. Everything else is incredible medieval autism about armor and blacksmithing techniques.

>>16188750
Why would you read 5/6 and then stop? I stopped after 4 having regretted reading past 1 but you're so close now you may as well finish.

>Arcanadeus
>Xander
>Damus
These fucking names. This is the sort of shit I named my PoE characters.

>>16188772
I'm sold.

>>16188866
I know a lot Original-6 Dune bros stop at Heretics upon re-read, that's why I asked.

>>16188913
What happened in Heretics, anon? Anything interesting?

>>16188866
But anon, God Emperor was the best one

>>16188929
People said that so I slogged through Children, and sure it was better than Children but it really amounted to a couple hundred thousand words of Frank Herbert worshipping women and hating gays through a "character" that is really just his mouthpiece. The ending was so anticlimactic I could not stop laughing.

>>16188928
A fair few things;
>Post collapse of Emperor view of the Dune-universe.
>Chun-Li Nuns being violent and committing snu-snu.
>Mimics being fucking radical and adorable.
>Duncan being Herberts manly-man insert.
>Herbert 'Penis firmly clasped in Vagina' the Pervert is in full effect.

>>16188070
Usa is a shithole though.

>>16185864
Hitler was in no way 'into' exploring Anti-Civilization themes, he was a progressive. Please don't use this thread to shill your shitty ideology.

>>16183932
>>16181473
Holy shit, was gonna post SA too

>>16183612
Yeah this uuuhhh.. never happened nigga

In Rage of Dragons, is Xidda the planet or the continent? I'm a bit over halfway, finally starting to get a little invested. I guess I'm interested in seeing Tau's growth as well as if the greater plot (war but also maybe peace) goes anywhere exciting at all.

Why does Moorcock hate him so much?

What yall fags reading?
What yall fags waiting on to be released by December 2020?

>>16188005
Lmaoooo

>>16189453
>What yall fags reading?
The beginning after the end. The shill got to me.

>What yall fags waiting on to be released by December 2020?
Battlegrounds. Butcher better don't disappoint.

>>16181322

Female writers need to be shot in the shins with buckshot.

>>16189453

Foundation. With the mule n shit. Low key psyched for the movie next year.

Also got hyperion or some shit idk if its good but it was <90'ies so it should be decent i think.

>>16189453

>What yall fags waiting on to be released by December 2020?

Nothing. Modern books never cease to disapoint. Childish sjw trope shit muh subverted expectations retarded military tactics nigger FUX

>>16189453
>What yall fags waiting on to be released by December 2020?
a fucking VN

>>16189453
I'm re-reading Jurassic Park. Damn it's a good book.

I'm waiting for the Helsreach masterworks reprint. Should be good. Got the Horus rising one that just came out and it's nice.

Is the sequel to Canticle good or no?

I asked this in the last thread
Any series of books about great houses and their relationships with each other?
Not AOIAF please

>>16188005
But the US gov did 911 to their own people, in hopes of passing the freedom act, which in turns can take away any American's freedom once terrorism is attached to their name. Set you up for a crime like they did Bin Laden.

>>16189453
Waiting on Warrior-Prophet and King of Elf-Land's Daughter.

>>16189707
The long price quartet.

>>16189725
Any more?
I can't find them where i live and i'm a buyfag

>>16187965
>Most bad guys just suck and have no motivation.
Maybe in cartoons and hollywood movies. Certainly not in literature.

>>16189453
ZONE YELLOW
>reading new books ever

>>16189666
Not really. Not as bad as the Rama sequels but not good.

>>16188947
Your understanding of it is so bad it's kind of beautiful.

>>16189707
Dune. Vorkosigan.

>>16187180
Mistborn era 1 is very good. I personally did not like era 2.

>>16181787
Honestly just experiencing the scale and length makes it worth reading I think.

>>he Gor series repeatedly depicts men abducting and physically and sexually brutalizing women, who grow to enjoy their submissive state.

sounds based, is it any good?

>>16190058
might as well just read malazan

>>16190173
There’s better smut out there.

>>16188739
t. angry fag

>>16181322
The Heroes, First Law World #5 - Joe Abercrombie (2011)
The Heroes, which is a landmark and not a group of people, takes place before and after three days of a military campaign in The North. There's certainly a lot that happens in those three days. I wasn't interested in much of anything that was happening for most of the novel though. There were a lot of short lived POVs of previous and new characters that I suppose were to show that a lot of people die in a war, but I didn't find myself caring about any of them really. Eventually the narrative settles on characters who live longer and have a bit more to build on. It was interesting to have shifting perspectives where it doesn't immediately state that viewpoint character just killed the previous viewpoint or some other relevant character. I don't know if that was meant to intentionally evoke some sort of feeling or not in the way of "Hey, you were inhabiting this character for a while and now you're this other character that killed the former that you were just beginning to relate to. How do you feel about that?" It seems to be a trend for Abercrombie characters to become less complex and developed over time, which is the opposite of how it usually goes. The brutality and grimness of their lives reduces them into caricatures. I'm increasingly conflicted about the thematic content of the series overall.
Rating: 3.5/5

>>16190173
It’s just stupid smut about “and she had 20 orgasms before I was done”

>>16189764
Not off the top of my head. I hate books with politics, because they don't focus on the magic. I'll have to check my read list and see what jogs my mind.
Uh. John conroe released some book with an axe on the cover, that has house politics.

>>16181473
>>16183932
Inchoroi were the real bros. Oh, I’m sorry for trying to end Damnation and the eternal suffering of people in hell

>>16190403
hey you can also recommend me all the books about magic shit in it
As long as it's an epic quest

>>16190457
Yea. Don't read quest books either. Had my share of that shit when I was a kid. Nothing going to continue as an adult.

>>16188739
>>>/lgbt/

>>16190406
WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU FIND THESE PICTURES ANSWER ME

>>16188779
Crap book, bad prose (like a Motley Crue song), female writer adding too much detail to the clothes of the characters because she LARPs. I'd skip this rec.

>>16185961
>not sure what you're talking
Nah. You answered my question with
>Just make sure everything joins together.
I was basically getting cold feet and panicking when I realized "wait how does this all fit together?"
I'll look into Sanderson.
Really, I should get better about reading and finishing works.

>>16185970
>You can watch Avatar because you grew with it
I'm 32. I would've been about 17 when Avatar first aired. Back then, I thought Avatar looked weird and cliche at first. It seemed strange Nick was making an anime-esque thing and honestly, even into Korra it still seems a bit weird to me, but I'm engrossed in it.

You sound like you're salty about something, anon.
But, that said, thanks for the recommendation for what potentially not to do. I might actually study that book.

>Something about writing a video game or film, and not a book

Maybe... I use a lot of literary art, though. I'm not too concerned about that right now. Honestly, as a tangent it does kinda annoy me that people don't understand the art of writing is not exclusively for books or oration.
Just I know more about books. And right now, its really just too entrenched in literary tools to be something else at the moment.
Plus I don't know how to do any of that. But this is all digression.

>>16187180
I really liked era 1, characters were good, magic system was good. Everything was consistent too, he stuck to the rules of his magic system, and the characters stuck to their own motivations in sensible ways. No stupid Dumbledore bullshit where people refrain from doing their best to solve problems for the sole purpose of increasing tension in the plot.

How do you describe shit like portals and stuff in books?
If it's established you have a lot of fantastical shit going on, can you just say something like "a shimmering portal opens up" (not exactly like that)?
I'm assuming generally not, right? Or, maybe a better example since portals are less clear, can you just call a laser gun a laser gun and get away with it the first time it's introduced?

Also, probably more importantly, I have this problem where in doing my novel in first person, but the characters would be familiar with a lot of the things the audience might need to learn exist in the world. I've already made what I hope is an engaging and story-entwined info dump, but it doesn't cover everything and besides that, I felt like it was a somewhat formulaic cop-out (someone is retaught magic/magitech concepts because magical mist confusion during training and reasons).

Is there some other way to describe and introduce sci-fi and fantastical shit in first person when your audience knows nothing, but not make it sound like the characters don't know what they are talking about (while also avoiding forced-sounding dialogued/moments/descriptions)?

I need more techniques. I feel like all I know is how to make words sound good for imagery purposes and use wordplay... People like my poems and creative essays, but truth be told, I'm still scared of writing my story. Especially a mixed genre fiction story like this.

>>16191161
Not a writing advice thread.

>>16191174
I asked a question about a problem in a sci-fi novel I'm writing in the sci-fi thread.

I guess I did go on a tangent at the end, but my main question still stands
>How do you, or even can you, explain fantastical sci-fi concepts, objects, etc when in first person from the perspective of someone who already knows about the world around them? Is it a good idea to use the general names of tropes when introducing them? Is it ever possible to call a laser a gun a laser gun and leave it at that, or do you have to do more to not make it seem stupid?

If I was describing real world shit, this wouldn't be an issue.

>>16191219
>>16191161
Actually, right now I just wanna know how to describe a Diablo-style sci-fi portal appearing.
I get writer's block every time every single time I need to explain something strange just appearing for story progression sections that just describe actions like opening a portal, using a non-key-shaped key that sticks onto it's non-keyhole keyhole that's actually just a depression in the shape of the key, and so on.

I don't know how to do it in any sort of eloquent way.

>>16191219
>>16191259
Jesus Christ. Why the fuck do people who don't read x genre try to write a fucking BOOK in x genre? Even for writing regular literary fiction, writers are supposed to READ a ton of books. This is literally "I'm so bored and rules of lives state you need to plant a tree and write a book so I'm going to write a book" tier planning.
Book of the New Sun is just one example on how to deal with such stuff. Pretty much every fucking fantasy or SF book has dealt with this problem. Why do you come here to be spoonfed answers?

>laser gun
You think about the way people in that setting speak about. Would they talk about weapons, guns, some weird name or LASER guns? The latter would sound weird if that's all the kind of weapons there are.
>portals
Same as a bove.

If you think it would be obtrusive to infodumb for a "neutral reader" (because it's first person narrator), you could describe the physical aspects, using the olde "show not tell" trick. A rippling of the air, steam condensing into an oval, a sharp sound and a red light.

>>16189904
>Mistborn era 1 is very good.

>>16191396
Mistborn era 2 is better.

>>16191161
A portal is a fixed hole in space time that occupies two different locations simultaneously.
You could say a void opened, or an empty doorway.
Either read more, or consoom more visual material to bolster your imagination. Unless you're one of those stunted with no imagination.

Which author betrayed you, sffg?
How did they betray you?

>>16191556
Anyone who'd call it betrayal takes everything too personally and has very distorted ideas about their relationship with the author.

If you haven't read at least 10 disparate authors from each decade of the last 100 years, at least, then you don't know anything about that genre.

>>16191579
Just how autistic are you?

>>16191556
The ultimate betrayal.

>>16191556
Martn
Because it'll take him almost a decade to finish one book, and we'll never get the last one

>>16191556
I don't really care about writers with a few exceptions but I'd have to say Abercrombie. Not like betrayed "i want him to suffer" betrayed, but more like he's dead to me.
I had finished The First Law, noticed a few spin-offs following the same formula, then the guy goes and starts tweeting all day long and writes a fucking children's book. I don't know when or if I'll read him.
GURM would be an obvious choice but it was my bad for thinking the books were a finished series when I picked them.
For the rest, I don't read writers who are still alive, and if they are, their personalities are secondary to their writing.

>>16191682
the most annoying thing I find about GRRM is that he's constantly shilling shitty writers on his blog because they're personal friends of his, have some integrity you fat idiot

>>16191655
Top 10 anime betrayals

>>16191556
Delusions of Entitlement

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>>16191796
>what? You paid for something and expect it to be completed? Nnnnnoooooooooo if someone give you the impression they will do something and takes your money, it's their right if they want to stop and keep your money. They don't owe you anything you delusional entitlelet.

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>a Christian knight from Camelot battling Lovecraftian horrors
Based

>>16192002
Sounds like red knight....

>>16192013
Red Knight is gay.

>>16192090
It was, and it was shit.

>>16191999
5th?
sure, I like pratchett

>>16192145
No. Fred Saberhagen

>instead of writing a young boy for a coming of age, just make your protagonist a tomboyish lesbian with body insecurity and change nothing else about the story.

I call this one “How to get published in 2020”

>>16189017
Only the leftist and minority dominated parts

>>16192175
it's not really about the content it's about the author

>>16191961
Someone should compile all the whining from Kickstarter failed shit just so morons like this retard >>16191961
have a mirror to reflect upon.
>Yes, sweetie, I PAID. I wanted something in exchange for my MONEY, so I PAID for it. I should be PROVIDED with the things I PAID for. Because it is my MONEY. The MONEY I used as PAYMENT, which I obtained for PROVIDING things or services to a third party, which they PAID with MONEY. I upheld that most sacred of contracts. I was supposed to do something in exchange for PAYMENT and I did it. So I was PAID. How dare this creator not PROVIDE after I've PAID him or her for his services. I DEMAND ENTERTAINMENT AND WORKS OF ART.
Imagine being this Americanized and retarded. All the patrons of arts in Medieval Europe twisting and turning in their graves at these entitled faggots.

I bet you don't pirate shit in order to support the creators lmao

>>16192188
The entire usa. Now discuss books.

>>16192131
Well the story I just finished reading that has a Christian knight from Camelot battling Lovecraftian horrors is not gay or shit.

>>16192221
>t. chinkoid

>>16189453
Sins of the empire. It’s decent enough that I’ll likely read the whole trilogy. Just like the original powder mage. But nothing spectacular. Vlora as a main character is the worst part.

>December
Don’t know anyone got some recs?

>>16189572
>The beginning after the end.
How is it?

>>16192221
So then how is Trump President and the senate majority republican?

>>16192210
imagine simping this much for shitty writers that scam you

>>16190373
Thank you for the review, review anon. I visit these threads to find honest opinions on series I haven't read.

>>16187836
i love that book

>>16192443
oof

>>16192443
>Hugo award winner

>>16192476
just because the hugos have been cringe for the past 21 years doesn't mean it was bad back in the day

>>16192222
What is it?

>a 14 year old girl hunting a giant that just killed her family
>her weapon of choice: a bow and arrows she dipped in human feces because a voice in her head told her to do so
Looks like we got another BASED story here.

>>16192574
Sir Gareth and the Thing That Hid

Hello, /sffg/
I don't know if I should post this here but here you go
I've been making ideas of a space age short story (maybe a series) and I came up with something
>The year is 3250CE. Since the discovery of FTL travel in the 26th century, space travel is now a regular occurrence.
>In humanity’s conquest for new planets, they began colonies and discovered life on 4 planets,
>two of these planets harbor intelligent life. Civilizations were built around Humanity’s and these newfound species’ cultures.
This is going to be a series of stories focusing on the crew of the E18998 Model 3008 Fighting Hybrid class Cruiser, Known as the ‘Anteater.’ The crew is comprised of three.
>Andrew, the captain of the Anteater and private mercenary.
>Tanaka Sora, the artificial intelligence (Named after his creator) and pilot of the Anteater.
>Krista, engineer and top gunner of the Anteater.
Tell me how you think
I don't really know if it's any good but I might find it fun to write
Pic related: commission I had done a while ago of the protagonist (Andrew)

Any books about stoping the void spreading?

>>16192210
Your post is just a confusing ball of spaghett. Just kys.

>>16192476
I never understood how "black people love fried chicken" is a sterotype. Everyone loves fried chicken.

>>16192297
Because the usa is a shithole.

>>16192654
Schild's Ladder by Greg Egan

>>16192633
You paid for that? LMAO.

>>16192633
The world sounds generic and so do the characters. Like something for a pulpy sci-fi story.

That’s not a bad thing, but it means the plot has to carry your story. Unless your characters or alien civilisations have a lot more depth to them than what you’ve told us.

>>16192766
>>16192228

>>16189663
kino 40k
https://youtu.be/6z0klMZ7r8M?t=209

>>16192754
This. If you don't like fried chicken and watermelon, something is wrong with you.

>>16189271
>>16189271
>>16189271
>>16189271
>>16189271

>>16192877
Why would you wait 10 hours instead of googling the answer?

was The Fall of Gondolin any good?

>>16192778
lol I know
It was cheap
>>16192811
The most depth I thought of with an individual character was the Sora, the AI of the Anteater
A quick summary:
>in 3007, Sora is made as a combat class AI. He is one of the first of his kind
>spent two decades of experience in the field
>the Anteater crashes, killing the old crew
>Anteater left stranded for many years until a young scavenger finds it and meets him
haven't put much thought into the aliens though
Pic related: I plan for Sora's hologram avatar to be designed off of a imperial Japanese pilot

>>16192996
>I plan for Sora's hologram avatar to be designed off of a imperial Japanese pilot

reminds me of the AI in Halo 5 that was a WWII fighter pilot i believe

>>16193038
I never really considered Roland, but that comparison definitely makes it look like I based Sora's design from him

>>16192872
>>16192754
Ok nigger

>>16192766
>>16192188

>>16191296
I read I just don't finish them.
I have an idea that came in the form of a book. People seem to like what is wrote so far.
Not reading the rest.

>>16193168
>>16191296
But seriously, shut the fuck up about how much I read books specifically.
I don't care and that's not useful input because I already fucking know what you're going to say about that shit and what you're saying is far more retarded than you think.

>>16193185
>can't think of ways of making the exposition more organic
>can't think of prose examples
>"""reads""" but not with the eye of a craftsman looking into how other celebrated writers have dealt with these issues
I'm sure your redditor friends love your manuscript, bro.

i thought this would be shit because its for the game but its actually pretty comfy sword and sorcery adventures

>>16189453
Perry Rhodan. Will probably take some time because I‘m pretty much at the beginning of the series.

Dont really have something I‘m looking forward to.

>>16192996
That sounds good actually. Reminds me of Paragon from Liveship Traders, which is a good thing.

>>16193592
>the game
fuck you

>>16189453
I'm indecisive between Children of Time, Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City or some Drenai series.
There's also pic related, but it all depends on how fed up I get with outerlit stuff which is what I'm currently reading.

>>16181322
Hey guys, /k/ here, I'm starting to get older and would like to bond with my dad. He's big into pulp sci-fi but in his youth he really really really liked Dune. What's something that's not too heavy or long or hard to read but also isn't complete alien war porn? I'm criminally under read but I always like Kurt Vonneguts style with at least an attempt at a message or at least something to stop and make you think. Any ideas? I'll take whatever you got. Is there something like cryptonomicon but 300 pages? Shit I dunno.

>>16193638
what is it then anon? the "tabletop universe/setting"?

>>16193707
oh sweet summer child

>>16193680
Hey fren.
How would you like a smut book where a guy is transported through space and makes magical guns that doesn't need to be reloaded?

>>16190252
>>16190691
have sex

>>16193707
>doesn't even know when he lost

>>16193870
Can I use your backpussy? I swear I'll flip your girl switch.

>>16192633
I dont want to be mean, but this sounds shit, there are no interesting or new ideas you are exploring as per your post. Maybe you could have published this in the 90's but not today.

>>16192996
Read the Culture series. AI's can be interesting and a morable part of the story but if thats the most interesting thing you've come up with it isn't going to carry much.

Any of you guys read any books where the protagonist fucks their animal companion after it gains a humanoid shape?

>>16194117
>>>/mlp/

>>16192754
foods like those were delicious and relatively low-cost foods common in the american south around the time when the emancipation proclamation was signed. considering the south had the highest concentrations in the US of both free african americans and racist white dudes looking for anything to mock them over, it was kind of inevitable that there'd be some stupid stereotypes

>>16192872
watermelon SUCK

>>16194187
I don't wanna fuck ponies, you cuck. It's just that I read a book where a guy bonded with a female dragon, and I'm picking up a lot of sexual tension the dragon puts on when he interacts with females. The mother dragon could shape shift and sexually teased him before she died, so I want to know if there is any mad lad author that goes all the way. I read a book that is literally about the protagonist raping women in a game until they quit. So why can't an author write about a guy fucking a dragon that calls him daddy?

/sffg/, which one of these provokes a more scandalized reaction as you read it

>two characters are huddling together for warmth. During the night the girl shifts in her sleep, gently waking the boy. without waking she nestles in close to him and bites down on his nipple enough to draw blood causing him to scream girlishly in pain and wake everyone up
>two characters go swimming together in a pool at night. The guy strips off his shirt and jumps in, only to turn around and see that... well... so did she (no description is given of her body)

>>16192872
The funny thing is that Caucasians more chicken, grape juice and watermelon than blacks.

>>16194265
>>two characters go swimming together in a pool at night. The guy strips off his shirt and jumps in, only to turn around and see that... well... so did she (no description is given of her body)
I'm getting vagina dentata flashbacks.

>>16194271
What the FUCK is juice?

>>16194290
Juice is the pure, natural form of the artificial drank.

>>16194283
I just meant that she has her titties out but the the narrator doesn't go into any detail describing her body, he just awkwardly says the bare minimum to get the point across

>>16194265
The former. Blood and biting in a bedroom context is way more weird than topless swimming for fun, everyone does that and usually fully naked.

>>16194297
doesn't "drank" explicitly refer to a drink with cough syrup into it?

>>16194311
how big is the difference?

When I wrote it I didn't see the biting scene as sexual in any way, I thought it was pure slapstick, but my writing group didn't see it that way at all. It was made all the worse by the fact that the characters in question were underaged. After that, I'm reviewing all my scenes to make sure they won't provoke the same reaction, the other one I mentioned is rough because I don't know how to accomplish the goal of the scene without it being sexual

>>16194264
> why can't an author write about a guy fucking a dragon that calls him daddy?
Nobody is stopping you anon. It's just that nobody wants to read your weird fetish book. self-bulishing exists tho i guess.

>>16194341
Biting a nipple will always have sexual undertones. Make her bite his hand or something if you want it to be non-sexual. Maybe explicitly mention it's while she's having a nightmare or similar to explain it.

>>16194341
>but my writing group
Oh. It's YOU. I bet the girl that bit him was an immature loli, that is why she is so random.

>>16194347
nobody wants to read your weird [guy fucking a dragon] fetish book
Ever been to /tg/?

>>16194381
I'm planning to rewrite it as her biting his face. The other scene is what I'm more worried about, because I have no other way to get from point A to point B.

>>16194397
she's random because she's a literal autist. The swimming scene comes soon after the guy finds out. He's worried he's taking advantage of her, she's worried he sees her as a retard. The scene is supposed to confirm both of their worst fears, fucking up their relationship and sending both of them into self-destructive downward spirals

>>16194402
Ummm. Yes. I used to solely use /tg/ about 7 years ago. not sure how this is related.

>>16194433
So your group still thinks of you as a creep?

>>16194433
why are you posting this shit here?

>>16194433
You have no way to get from point a to point b except topless? What's wrong with wearing a shirt?

>>16194518
I don't know but I don't want to make it worse

>>16194528
because it's a fantasy novel and because I literally can't ask about this anywhere other than 4chan

>>16194540
There are plenty of other places to ask.

>>16194540
get friends. use writing threads.

>>16194537
the problem is I still need some kind of embarrassing thing to happen that will humiliate the girl and make the guy think less of her. the only other idea I can think of is she shits herself or something, which strikes me as even worse

>>16194576
>I still need some kind of embarrassing thing to happen that will humiliate the girl

> the only other idea I can think of is she shits herself

You will never be an author. anon. lmaaao

>>16194576
Have someone go to rape her and she shits herself.

>>16194576
It will be more effective if you make it something she does consciously anyway. Something based on their different personalities or upbringings. Does it have to be that major? Maybe she just sings a tune and gets the words wrong.

>>16194608
would you think to yourself "this girl is a retard" if she got the words to a song wrong?

If so, that's a you problem

>>16194618
You said embarassing, not 'retarded' you stupid cunt.

People are often embarassed when they get things wrong, especially around people they have a romantic interest in, you stupid cunt.

>>16194621
>doesn't read the post
>calls the poster a stupid cunt when he gets called out on it

sure anon. sure

>>16194634
Yes. it is not the guy who thinks the best way to illustrate embarrassing behaviour is to have a character literally shit themselves that is retarded.

>>16194637
>still not reading the post

keep digging that hole anon. You'll get to china eventually

>>16194642
>the problem is I still need some kind of embarrassing thing to happen that will humiliate the girl and make the guy think less of her. the only other idea I can think of is she shits herself or something, which strikes me as even worse
Does not say retarded, you dumb cunt.

>>16194649
anon, there's this thing called a reply chain. Sometime a comment in one post is a reference to another. do you understand how that works?

>>16194618
He said embarrassing, not "retarded". Also I specifically said "does it have to be that major?"

>>16194696
anon, there's this thing called a reply chain. Sometime a comment in one post is a reference to another. do you understand how that works?

>>16194576
>>16194433
>I'm planning to rewrite it as her biting his face. The other scene is what I'm more worried about, because I have no other way to get from point A to point B.
Where does it say retarded?

>>16194773
it doesn't. Op is a flaming pseud mongoloid.

>>16194773
>>16194781
>she's random because she's a literal autist. The swimming scene comes soon after the guy finds out. He's worried he's taking advantage of her, she's worried he sees her as a retard. The scene is supposed to confirm both of their worst fears, fucking up their relationship and sending both of them into self-destructive downward spirals

retard

>>16194799
>she's worried he sees her as a retard
>she should be an actual retard
I was trying to help you, friend.These things are not the same. The former is a product of low self-esteem, the latter is a product of genetics or a brain injury.

Singing the lyrics of a song wrong and making other similar mistakes, coupled with a frustrated reaction from the boy and low self-esteem in the girl, will achieve the former. Falling down the stairs will achieve the latter.

>>16194799
Lol. how are you this much of a moron?

>i'm so mundane and boring irl writing exaggerated characters seems too offputting
Can dull characters be good?

New and shiny
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>tfw increase in S*nderson cultists also brought about people asking for writing advice.
Makes you thonk.

>>16194897
Yes, but dull in this context means nothing because everyone's idea of dull is different.

>>16190739
I know, finding good pics on Bakker’s books is hard so I just google

>>16181322
Threadly reminder.

>>16196016
should have posted it in >>16194901