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Remind him that gambling is a sin.

Summary castration

>>16189303
Wrong thread?

>>16189293
Ask him for the specifics. What am I betting on?

>>16189293
It's so easy to refute. If one has reason to believe there is no God, or simply the desire live without God, then by accepting the wager they sacrifice an entire perhaps singular life lived in their own way to rules and limitations that stymie their own will for possibly no reward. (So you do lose something despite what Pascal contends.) The only way his argument would be persuasive to atheists or hedonists or whatever is if you could simply believe in God but go about your life as you please (which isnt really the gist of Catholocism or even Christianity, except in the perverse characterization of Jansenism/Calvinist wherein God saves whom he please despite how one behaves... in which case one not even need to believe in God to be saved.)

I'm sure Pascal was slightly embarrassed of the wager, considering it's an abortive attempt to marry his 'scientific' work (namely probability) with his religious work, which he for the most part explicitly rejects in his best religious writings, i.e. he seems to contend most often that religion isn't a matter of reason so can't be satisfactorily proven in those terms.

>>16189600
>Hedonism good !
It will do you good to believe in god, you can be a Muslim and still travel the world and marry a beautiful woman.

>>16189600
Devout Christians don’t run into the typical atheist problems of nihilism, depression, etc. I myself experienced a new life after becoming a Christian. So even without considering the afterlife, it can still be a good thing to be a Christian. And I don’t just mean someone who goes to church every now and then but doesn’t really care.

>>16189661
This but with Islam.

>>16189661
>Devout Christians don’t run into the typical atheist problems
im sorry but you seem to be suffering from some acute delusions

>>16189293
tell him to fuck off

>>16189762
>islam stops depression by banning you from having fun under penalty of death
it's correct about the w*man problem though

>>16189293
I'd bet AI is going to destroy us.

>>16189293
>>16189600
This, Pascal was a Theological obscurantist which is namely that certain truths of religion are accessible only to those who have been spiritually awakened in the first place. I do not however, believe that it is entirely the case that we are without agency in relation to God. Sometimes we make free choices, and can believe things that pertain to religion on the basis of reason, but free choices and uncluttered reasoning happen very rarely. Usually our reasoning is from our worldview, and our choices are conditioned by external factors.

But the wager is way too pessimistic about our ability to use reason in relation to God. Even though we may only shuffle very slightly towards religious faith, good reasons, though we find it nearly impossible to explain, got us started in that direction, not just the sin of gambling.

>>16189600
But wasting your life doesn't matter since when you die if there is no afterlife you will cease to exist and won't even know you've wasted your life
So from your perspective it doesn't matter if you waste your life or not
Sorry if I don't make sense English is my second language

A halfpenny? You Jewish apostate. Here, I'll raise you ten households I retain in France plus my thoroughbred horse stables. Fucking quit playing these halfpenny ante games with me. Grow a pair of testes!

You cant force belief. Tried it, doesnt work.

>>16189600
>then by accepting the wager they sacrifice an entire perhaps singular life lived in their own way to rules and limitations that stymie their own will for possibly no reward
What reward is there if they don't make the bet? If there's no afterlife, they die. If they do take it, they did so at the very end of their lives. A couple hours don't mean much. It's like >>16191190 mentioned.
We don't know what goes on with every person on their deathbeds, but I doubt you make you bring up past mistakes into life defining things. Sure, some do. Yeah, there are regrets, but are those regrets life-defining? It seems puerile to me. It's more like the mistakes is stuff that happened and you smothered in newer memories. The bet would be just one more mistake, except you'd then die, and that's it.

>>16190704
Love never spared a sinner.

>>16189600
Probability is the most theological science there is

>>16191581
What's that supposed to mean?