/lit/ - Literature

>>16146072
Why do people who never read Nietzsche have a pathological urge to make retarded posts on this board?

>>16146076
I've read "Thus Spake Zarathustra".

>>16146076
Ask the Nietzscheans.

What books of his did you read to give this opinion?

>>16146076
Rightwingers, christfags. They don’t read much. They love the attention though. Fucking attention whores.

>>16146072
Because "God is dead" is perhaps the least important thing he ever had to say. Which you would know if you read him.

>>16146108
Are you seriously implying that I have to read books to have an opinion on them?

>>16146152
Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5bOJT_HtUI

>>16146089
until you read BG&E and GoM (where he actually develops his philosophy laid out in Zarathustra) you should refrain from making posts with incomplete opinions

>>16146175
Until you read the whole Bible and every other book that I've read (>5000 pages) you should refrain from posting on this board.

The line about staring into the abyss is probably more famous than "God is dead". I encounter the former quoted much more often.

>>16146072

NEETzsche is not a Philosopher.

>>16146175
If he misunderstood TSZ this hard there's not really much hope for him tbqh, he should stop reading philosophy entirely.

>>16146072
Nietzsche was a poet, not a philosopher.

>>16146205
This is my new favorite meme. Can't wait till the next time you post it!

>>16146184
3 books isnt that much anon, stop coping

>>16146206
Not a "meme", brainlet. It's a simple fact. He never provided rigorous arguments, just ranted endlessly.

>>16146243
>only analytics are philosophers
Again, great meme!

>>16146072
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>16146319
>great meme!

>>16146319
>Aristotle, Aquinas, Spinoza, Kant et al didn't provide arguments
lol

>>16146142
>even nietzscheans don't read neetch

>>16146076
I'll tell you why.

Baby reads their first book. Baby now thinks Baby has some profound intellectual insight.

Baby comes on /lit/. Baby spews a bunch of dogshit thinking they have it all figured out.

Based anonymous chad is scrolling through and reads two sentences of their poorly formulated thoughts. Based anonymous chad also sees how their thoughts are not based in reality, but in psychological needs they have. Based anonymous chad posts a single Nietzsche passage which devastates their ill philosophy.

Baby is massively upset at this offense. Striking at their poorly formed idea doesn't just strike at the idea.. it reveals the illnesses in their own thought. Baby mad. Baby now realizes Nietzsche is the big bad enemy who must be erased from history.

Baby doesn't read, so Baby doesn't actually delve into understanding Nietzsche. Instead Baby fails for any argument they can find to destroy Nietzsche.

"B-but he went insane, he was weak!" baby types out, regaining confidence. "Therefore, we can ignore this hack! My world view isn't sick and disgusting, it's still good!"

Baby hits post, assured that Based anonymous chad will repent for his sins against Baby's shitty philosophy. 0 replies.

>>16146243
I don't think that's what poets do anon

>>16146076
This, for the 500th time Nietzsches "God is dead" is a cultural, societal and historical critique and not a theological one.

>>16146127
Nietzsche is objectively and inherently anti-left wing but yeah Christcucks entirely miss the point of Nietzsche just like they miss the point of just about everything.

>>16146072
Because he is dead to humanity. Not that he have literally gone from existence to nonexistence.

>>16146127
Noooo

>>16146072
Dunno, maybe because he is not considered an actual philosopher by academic community? Because he doesn't make any arguments? Who knows...

>>16146319
>>16146206
See>>16146482

>>16146394
cringe

The absolute worst posters on the board now are the nietzschefaggots who just spam and slide. I almost miss landfag and guenonfag.

>>16146394
Based

>>16146394
Cringe.
>>16146719
Cringe.

>>16146076
How could you ever tell if someone has read Nietzsche? The neetchfags say less than people posting youtube screenshots.

>>16146072
You are such a brainlet, I don’t even think you have ever read Fredrick

>>16146072
>thinking three fucking lines on a chinese forum could ever be considered enough to even scratch Nietszche`s philosophy
you are the fucking hack, get the fuck outta here

>>16146761
I've never seen a single good neetch thread and it's always because of the neetchfags spamming "READ"

>>16146152
gr8 b8

>>16146777
What philosophy? He was Euphoric and then he wasn't.
He refuted himself.

>>16146482
>he is not considered an actual philosopher by academic community?
academic community from what country? united states of your ass? what a fucking illiterate piece of shit you are

>>16146076
>Christians
>people

>>16146791
what the fuck, how can one person be so fucking retarded about philosophy? you are a fucking troll, thats it, you win, i`m baited, you larped as a self conscious retard and i fell for that. Well played

>>16146076
>>16146777
>>16146761
OP is right and you're all fags. Here's his argument
>"God", "immortality of the soul", "redemption", "beyond" -- Without exception, concepts to which I have never devoted any attention, or time; not even as a child. Perhaps I have never been childlike enough for them?
>I do not by any means know atheism as a result; even less as an event: It is a matter of course with me, from instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questionable, too exuberant to stand for any gross answer. God is a gross answer, an indelicacy against us thinkers - at bottom merely a gross prohibition for us: you shall not think!


>Another question interests me in a much different way: the question of nutrition; the 'salvation of humanity' is much more dependent on this question than on any theological oddity. We can formulate it in rough and ready terms: 'what do you yourself eat in order to achieve the maximum of strength?'
>But my own instincts are profoundly opposed to the English diet too, which in comparison with the German and even the French is a type of 'return to nature', namely to cannibalism; it seems to me that it gives spirit heavy feet - the feet of an Englishwoman . . . The best cuisine is from Piedmont. Alcoholic drinks are bad for me; one glass of wine or beer in the course of a day is more than enough to turn my life into a 'veil of tears'

>>16146072
>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

>>16146072
>>actual philosophy provides 0 reasoning for why he thinks there's no God nor why belief in God is unsustainable in society at large
>t. Has not read Nietzsche
In fact you seem to be at most familiar with the meme phrase and nothing of what he meant by it.
>>16146416
Based and redpilled.

>>16146817
Don't lose your fedora on the way out.

>>16146072
Based and whitepilled
>>16146850
cringe and shitpilled.

Kikes are out in full force today, I see.

>>16146482
He is considered one by the "academic community" though, not that you even really know what that is

>>16146072
>most famous for exclaiming "God is dead"
that's the fault of people like you, it shouldn't be what he's famous for
>>actual philosophy provides 0 reasoning for why he thinks there's no God nor why belief in God is unsustainable in society at large
what

>>16146902
No, he isn't.

>>16146127
>>16146076
>>16146805
*tips*

>>16146072
Utterly and irrecoverably filtered, wow

>>16146072
How the FUCK do people look at this world and think it was always there/ it was formed out of nothing? That is the most low IQ shit I have ever seen.

>>16146886
Jews like nietzsche
go back to pol

>>16147178
>Jews like nietzsche
Only Ashkenazis

bait

>>16146089
it's a hard book anon, and it was probably hard to overcome your bias as a Christian. God not being real is a trivial fact for Nietzsche and not really the object of his argument, it's more of an account of what we could do in the absence of God and similar, value-providing systems.

>>16146072
>neetchfags not realizing this is a bait thread

>>16146072
>reasoning
nietzsche was against reason, OP. go read some analytic philosophy or something

>>16146089
only have my toes in but it is so juicy! Reminds me of Blake's Marriage, but this one is a more polished tirade. Overblown and whimsical, hilarious, and perceptive, 5 out of 5 popcorn bags. Also, OP is a retard.

>>16148309
Well he wasn't against reason, he was against the elevation of reason as a supreme virtue at the expense of the rest of life. Reason is still vital for Nietzsche, just not as a metaphysical truth-finding faculty or some sort of spiritual ideal in itself.

>>16148440
So why doesn't he use it?

>>16148483
he... does? He does use it. He uses it quite well

>>16148483
Nietzsche privileged art and speaking well over truth. He’s a sophist. To think that’s good or bad is to miss the point of his philosophy entirely.

>>16146846
Shouldn't Nietzsche's failure to actually prove that humanity can find meaning through the pursuit of passion, art, self-ownership, etc, or spur even remotely any serious effort to achieve such, essentially prove that we do actually need Religion because humanity will never collectively develop enough intelligence to give the masses meaning, even if the ubermensche are able to?

>>16148546
Why should the world be based on his thinking? That might be missing the point of philosophy entirely.

>>16148511
lmao >>16146822

>>16146072
why nobody smashed your face? you must have hidden in moms safe space.

>>16148680
I'm not sure how >>16146822 validates OP or anything for that matter

Member power?
Member strong men?
Member art?
Member living?
Member dionysus?

>>16148801
Stay Euphoric anon.

>>16148829
ok

let it be known that I'm happy to actually discuss the topic, and that I don't take shit like what you're doing right now seriously at all. You don't even know that I'm an atheist you're just flinging shit for no reason except maybe that you don't have anything better

>>16146394
>but in psychological needs they have
That way you can discredit almost all philosophy. And you will be correct in doing so

>>16148865
If you don't see something wrong with a person valuing their tendies over divine law then there's no point talking to you.

>>16148621
The problem is that Nietzsche never wanted to talk about humanity as a collective.

In fact, when he spoke of the will to power, and when he spoke of supermen born from a world without religion, he was not speaking of the masses enlightening themselves and finding meaning, but of a small handful of men who were destined to succumb under the boot of the masses or rise above them and use them.

For Nietzsche, humanity as a collective existed either to oppose strong men or to serve them, and nothing else. His criticism of Christianity was based on ideas of Christian goodness, which were supposedly intended to punish those of higher impulses and reward those with vassal souls.

Nietzsche would say, for example, in "will to power", that suffering for others was something anyone could do, but that making others suffer without compassion and even delight in it was greatness.

His social philosophy was basically wallowing in self-hatred and self-love, believing himself smart for seeing the world as he saw it, but weak to apply his beliefs. He was looking for people who really understood him.

He surely looked inferior for being unable to take without giving in return and without regret, unable to stop loving for his own sake, and unable to be that great man for whom he cried out.

>>16146394
I'll tell you why.

Nietzsche reads a philosophy book. Nietzsche now thinks Nietzsche has some profound intellectual insight.

Nietzsche publish his notes. Nietzsche spews a bunch of dogshit thinking they have it all figured out.

Based anonymous academic is scrolling through the new books in the library and reads two sentences of their poorly formulated thoughts. Based anonymous academic also sees how their thoughts are not based in reality, but in psychological needs they have. Based anonymous chad points to a single Plato passage which devastates their ill philosophy.

Nietzsche is massively upset at this offense. Striking at their poorly formed idea doesn't just strike at the idea.. it reveals the illnesses in their own thought. Nietzsche mad. Nietzsche now realizes Plato is the big bad enemy who must be erased from history.

Nietzsche doesn't read philosophy (he only reads ports and french moralists), so Nietzsche doesn't actually delve into understanding Plato. Instead Nietzsche fails for any argument they can find to destroy Plato.

"B-but he hated life, he was decadent!" Nietzsche writes out, regaining confidence. "Therefore, we can ignore this hack! My world view isn't sick and disgusting, it's still good!"

Nietzsche publish another book, Twilight of the Idols, assured that Based anonymous academic will repent for his sins against Nietzsche's shitty philosophy. Goes mad before anyone has the chance to respond.

>>16146076
guys i totally read [insert philosopher] every one who didnt read him is stupid
c'mon guys back me up i don't have anything to say except to exclaim to the world that i am a 110iq genius

>>16149230
based

>>16146072
>80 replies
>Everyone calling each other retarded and telling them to read Nietzsche
>Not a single person actually confirms or denies any Nietzschean arguments about the existence or sustainability of God

>>16146142
Antichrist is one long "God is dead"

>>16149230
kek
this solves philosophy

>>16148621
What do you mean "failure to prove"? By what standard?
Because in a basic sense there's no absolute way in which anything is proven, in fact most people consider it that science proves nothing and can at best only falsify. So when you come to a philosophy complaining that it fails to prove something, you're making a cheap shot that can be taken at pretty much anything, and you're doing it in a way that betrays naivete on your part.

If you mean that Nietzsche's philosophy doesn't work in practice, you'd be wrong. I believe that's one of the greater reasons for his continuing relevance - he's been inspiring and revelatory for a great many people

>n because humanity will never collectively develop enough intelligence to give the masses meaning, even if the ubermensche are able to?
I mean... That's what he says, that the general masses aren't suited for it...

>>16148934
okay what this sounds like is that your faith is important to you, I don't necessarily have any issue with that but understand how utterly non-compelling your responses are as a result

>>16150000
Why, is there finally some proof that farts and and autobrewery syndrome have killed god and dionysus?

Much of Nietzsche's writing presupposes a thoroughgoing skepticism with regard to the foundations of all previous thought - the notions of subject, object, logic, causality, truth, etc.
If the motivation for previous philosophy was not truth (and the motivation for *no* philosophy can be "truth"), then what were they motivated by? It is in response to this question, and as a critique from within this framework, that Nietzsche develops his ideas of power, life-denial/-affirmation, herd morality, etc.
Naturally, if you do NOT align with his skeptical foundations, and still have faith in the good ol' philosophies and their concepts, then Nietzsche will seem nonsensical. Especially so, because for whatever reason much of his explicit writings on his reasons for skepticism are not found in his main works, but in book 3 of The Will to Power.

>>16150323
Pretty good post anon, from an anti-nietzschean.

>>16150323
A thoroughgoing skeptic will question whether or not there is a God, look at the arguments given and try to give an honest answer. A low IQ midwit like Nietzsche will say there is no god because he doesn't like what the idea would entail.
>(and the motivation for *no* philosophy can be "truth")
You're an idiot. Philosophy is literally the search of truth.

>>16150341
Why search for truth when Nietzsche already found it?

>>16150364
He doesn't care for the truth.

>>16150398
Indeed, so what's the point?

>>16150341
Nietzsche never asserts that there is no God, though he certainly does not find any given "arguments" for it adequate, nor does he believe that "argument" in general can arrive at universal "Truth". If you think that the notorious "God is dead" statement an assertion of the Truth non-existence of God, then I would urge to consider the obvious difference between the statements "God is dead" and "God does not exist", namely, that the former implies "God was alive". Obviously Nietzsche did not believe this in a literal sense - when he says that God is dead and no one knows yet, he means that the concept of God has ceased to provide the underpinnings of the general morality of society, and is warning of the consequences of this crumbling of foundations. He is far less concerned with the Truth of the belief (because he does not believe in Truth) than with the effects of the belief.
>Philosophy is literally the search of truth.
I'm not a fan of this definition: it presupposes both that there is a universal truth, and that it can be found. But the questioning of these assumptions seems clearly to belong to the domain of philosophy as well. And some thoroughgoing skeptics, in search of the Truth, find themselves forced to reconsider "Truth" itself.

>>16146822
>>16146846
nietzschefags think these are arguments?

nietzsche believed in feels over reals. as did his followers, the nazis. that's why they were SMASHED by intellectually honest british and american empiricist chads. Guess what? Facts don't care about your feelings.

>>16150578
Nietzsche is literary expression masked as philosophy. Most continental philosophers are.

>>16150610
>Most continental philosophers are.
all post pre-socratics are

>>16150341
>>A thoroughgoing skeptic will question whether or not there is a God, look at the arguments given and try to give an honest answer.
that idea is advocated by the low iq ppl like the humanists, because they want to see themselves as scientist.

>>16146072
Only because enough idiots believe in him

>>16146802
>>16146902
seethe
There is zero difference between NEETzsche and fuckin' Joe Rogan or Tony Robbins.
Nietzsche does not qualify as a philosopher because he didn't make any arguments to prove his claims and he wrote poems instead of structured text. At least read wiki page before writing something stupid.
We talk about him (and love him) just because his claims feed our ego and we as intelligent people strieve to be different from dumb people.

>>16149230
>>16150341
>>16150594
>>16150748
t. ugly self-loathing kikes

>>16150919
Yes. and?

>>16146152
Chad

>>16149230
This is shockingly accurate lmao

>>16146127
salty virgin drink up your tears

>>16150919
>>16150711
not an argument.

>>16146072
Holy shit bro. God is dead doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Nietzsche wasn't trying to prove that. He meant that God in himself was no longer important.

>>16146127
>Rightwingers, christfags.
Implying Christians dont belong to the left.

>>16146243
fuck off, Carnap

>>16151571
it is though

>>16150216
Is there proof that God is dead?
Bitch let's start with proof that God is real

>>16150748
It shows that you haven't read Nietzsche and are just opposed to him personally, probably because of the importance of your faith to you. But that's kind of an absurd take. Nietzsche isn't stupid. You want a stronger philosopher with better "proofs"? What about Wittgenstein?
Oh, wait, that's right! WITTGENSTEIN LIKED NIETZSCHE TOO

>>16152757
God Is Rael.

>>16146072
u fuckin' dumb, op?
While Nietzshe probably thought belief in god was pointless that's not what that phrase means.
Its a commentary on the societal changes that are involved with cultural changes at that time and the influence on how the standards of critical thinking have shifting and how the institutions of social control similar or attached to deference of a higher meaning, in an of itself, are no longer meaningful...

>>16153200
Actually read the OP before replying, moron.

>>16152757
>>16153250
God is a condition of the heart, and thanks to science, God is dead in the hearts of learned men.

>>16146072
you stupid fucking faggot. 10/10

thats not what that quote is about you ni

>>16146072

Dude you're fucking dumb

You've clearly never even read Nietzsche and you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

>>16149252
His post is literally nonsense you gay fuck

>>16146072
Wasn't the phrase said by a character who was in despair over the idea that God was dead? Wasn't the point of it that a humanity without God would devolve into cruelty, stupidity, and hubris because the vast majority of us needed God to keep us from doing stupid shit?
I don't know why people think Wally Walrus was celebrating that God was dead.

>>16154237
>You've clearly never even read Nietzsche
So THIS is the power of the eternal return.

>>16146127
Christianity is inherently left-wing in principle

>>16146072
This quote was written by a literal teenager on r/atheism, I just googled it. He quoted himself in the original post, you can't make that shit up.