/lit/ - Literature

>>16116353
Did DMT once. Can't say it changed me in any way.

>>16116353

I'll bite.

The only long-term problem I've had with psychs is that at times I find it hard to make new friends. I don't want to be 'that guy' who recommends psychedelics as the cure for everything and so on because that guy is a douchebag. I also don't think psychedelics are the cure for everything, they have, however, been the cure for all my personal problems.
I used to ruminate and fester on my issues, be depressed, consider suicide. I was deeply overanalyzing everything. Then one day I tried psychedelics (mushrooms) and realized: Hey, it's a beautiful day, what are you so anxious about?
Since then I haven't smoked a single joint, I drink alcohol like a normal person, I exercise, work better, have better relationships and so on.
Most importantly I've learned to laugh at myself.
Reading on mushrooms is impossible, reading on acid is great but I'd proceed with caution because I think that whatever it is you read you will think of it as more profound, more important, than you would normally.

Creativity-wise, I guess the verdict is still out on that, if I write a best-selling novel I'll be sure to let all of you know. I have however recaptured something I had as a child, the ability to see things in other things. Like when you watch the clouds and you see shapes in them but I can do it with basically anything now, and I remember doing the exact same thing as a child. The only thing I can't remember is when I lost it, but I'm glad I've recaptured it. (Even when not using substances)

Now you might say that I'm an NPC for needing psychotropic drugs for this, and you might be right. If all of this comes naturally to you and you think it's pathetic to resort to chemicals to induce this, good for you man. For me personally, it's been a gift that I feel unworthy of every single day.

>>16116353

McKenna glowed in the dark and he's a self-important hack. Fuck that guy.

Pic related is what you want to learn about psychs, or life.

>>16116416
That's literally fiction.

>>16116485
Psychedelics are not a literal red pill in the sense that they dont show you the truth, at least not directly. What they do show you is the lies. So you start removing layers upon layers of lies until you end up with nothing. Thats when you get depressed because there was no grand truth beneath all the lies. Next comes the fun part but i dont want to spoil it

>>16116560
>no grand truth beneath all the lies
which is also a lie

>>16116692
>which is also a lie
which is also a lie

>>16116848
word is contained in truth, truth is not contained in word.

>>16117224
knowledge is silent.

>>16117224
I know what you mean, but nobody that doesnt know what you mean will know what you mean, know what i mean?

>>16116353
I was gonna joke and riff on Salvador Dalí and say “I am psychedelics!” But thought naw. Then I saw
>>16116397
>I used to ruminate and fester on my issues, be depressed, consider suicide. I was deeply overanalyzing everything. Then one day I tried psychedelics (mushrooms) and realized: Hey, it's a beautiful day, what are you so anxious about?
>... Most importantly I've learned to laugh at myself.
I guess I did this for myself already.

> Now you might say that I'm an NPC for needing psychotropic drugs for this, and you might be right. If all of this comes naturally to you and you think it's pathetic to resort to chemicals to induce this
Naw man, you’re cool. Thanks for sharing.

psychedelic drugs bring you into contact with demons. we know this because the savages who invented ayuhuasca or however the fuck you spell it would have had no idea how to make that shit, so obviously demons taught them how to. demons also taught the freemasons how to make nukes.

>>16117330
Seek help, schizophrenic.

>>16117350
>she hasn't met demons and still thinks her opinions matter

>>16117358
>ever replying to butterfly

Take the pledge. Ignore and filter her. 4chanx even has a filter option that will make invisible all the posts replying to her as well. I use that.

>>16117387
no, you don't use that, clearly. I like butterfly. her comments are very california-flavored and that makes me feel at home. sometimes i pretend she's my aunt and have convos on conservation and secular morality with her in my head.

>taking psychedelics not for fun but for a muh 'eyeopening' trip.

faggots like you remind me of the slurred bongrats that larped as woke because they snorted MDMA every week and pretended to enter the astral plane.

>>16116353
I ate 2.5g of dried mushrooms half a year ago, my first and only psychedelic experience, and it was quite enjoyable. I went for a long walk while listening to Hendrix on a foggy night and it was visually incredible. It wasn't a profound spiritual event for me, most likely due to the lower dosage, but I'd like to try it again. It's one of the reasons I decided to pick up reading again. I saw the world in quite a Geometric manner, so I plan on reading Euclid out of interest.

I'll probably take 3.5 - 5.0g next time in nature while bringing along some literature, art collections, music, etc. to see what happens.

>>16117330
>>16117358
take your meds bro

For me psychedelics are deeply connected to existentialism.
LSD made me deeply feel how insignificant I am and how there is no purpose to my life. How I'm just a clump of matter that randomly formed in a vast cosmic soup and somehow became conscious.
Shrooms made me see the beauty in the little things and the freedom that existence brings me.

Psychedelics are great as long as you don't grow obsessed with them. You won't find any secrets of the universe and you won't meet God. They can help you become more honest with yourself and help against depression.

Tripped over 100 times like 15 different hallucinogens. Done DMT numerous times but it's not really an obscure tryptamine like say DPT. They're nice

>>16116353
I've tripped many times over the years. Sometimes I do get fantastic bursts of creativity but not always.
The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley is the book to read, fren.

>>16116353
>Has anyone here experimented with Psychedelics?
Yes, extensively.
>How did it affect you long term?
Less anxious and less habitual in my life. I used to be a quiet homebody, much happier with steady and predictable comfort than with novel experiences. Now I love both. Probably the clearest difference. And I agree with this >>16116397
>Most importantly I've learned to laugh at myself.
Some of my early trips I took myself very, very seriously, and had terrible experiences because of it. Once I learned to laugh at myself, life got a lot easier, also when sober.

>Did you notice any differences when reading books? Did it enhance your imagination/visualization?
Not really, but I never really read on psychedelics either. Sometimes on a microdose of LSD, but I don't think it makes the experience better. I'd much rather be active while on either a microdose or a normal dose of psychedelics, either hiking or bicycling.
>Did you notice any differences in your creativity, thought patterns, interests and hobbies,etc...
Yes. In the immediate aftermath of a strong trip I am more prone to ascribe meaning to to everyday occurences. I suddenly think Jung's concept of synchronicity makes perfect sense. There is a certain sense of psychoticism in it, if you want to be boring and clinical about it, but so subtle and harmless that it has no drawbacks and cannot really be called pathological.
I think it can be likened to the psychoticism you get just when you fall in love - where small, insignificant things done by the beloved become charged with profound meaning. It gets weaker with time since the last trip, but seems to remain in some capacity almost indefintely.
And I have become much more grateful for little things, and much, much more cognizant of everyday beauty.

I hardly trip anymore. I've got some mescaline hydrochloride stored which I am going to take with a friend within the coming years, and a few blotters of acid that I exclusively use to microdose when I feel like it, probably once a month or so.

>>16119006
Read "Acid Dreams", which gives a far more comprehensive overview of the LSD movement. It gives the full story of the 60's craze and the CIA etc.

>>16116353
Massive LSD user. Going to also talk about green pill lit cause related.
Long Term: Flashback(Don't bother me and I rearly notice but there always there), massively increased athstetic experience (trees, flowing water, clouds all seem incredible sober.), Started my interest in philosophy before I was taking I couldn't care less. I did grow better at pattern recognition but it might of always been there and I never noticed.

I was addicted at one point, I loved the feeling of not being anyone/ego death? I loved just being part of the world leaving my thoughts/pathetic wants and insecurities.

Saw a tree that grew an eye, but I knew it was the trip not god or some shit, be sceptical!

Had religious experiences as kid, full on believed in magic, LSD and shrooms was like that.

Increased thirst for literature and philosophy where I was way more genre before but I was probably going that way anyway.

Had a really bad trip, nearly killed myself over climate change, basically realised it was inevitable and died inside. Only leaving my parents/girlfriend behind kept me here. I was waiting for the bus but my mother's face at my funeral stopped me.

Problem with psycs is it's an altered state, no better or worse than reality, this means it ain't the final pill or some shit. Don't buy too much into ecsoterism and be skeptical with yourself and the truths delivered from your experience. If your logic requires a leap of faith think dam hard on what your justifying with that.

On green pill stuff/ancient tribe/religious studies.
Many writers believe in monomyth/analysing religions to produce common threads, my friends an anthropologist and advises caution, when a philosopher has an idea they just mine ancient practices for evidence only seeing what supports it (on LSD it's even easier.) This leads to a massive misunderstanding with no actual attempt to live/think alongside the tribe you taking the myth from, it's not just knowing the language, it's the culture, the life style. Westerners either see tribes as perfect humans or savages never equals.

Just keep this in mind with Jung and shit. I like Jung but dam it's one massive overcoding spree. 1000 Platues is one of the best books for dealing with ancient cultures and is used a lot by academic anthropologists, analyses symbolic institutions without religion also one of my favourites so I'm biased. Seriously look into tribal study's, they cite post moderns way more than Jung, Eliade, Campbell etc.

Never done DMT but reading Red Book and doing soon.

>>16117330
MEDS! NOW!

>>16116353
I did acid about 6 months ago and I've wanted to do it again. I've never went more than 75ug and it worries me a bit.
I'm very cautious as to who I do it with because I cannot have a good time if I suspect someone will freak out or if someone who's not on LSD will see me.
I cannot do it on my own because I get bored and my thoughts are usually bitter, and it ends up being a waste of a day.

I'd really just like to make a friend I'm really comfortable around, and do a bit more reading as some philosophy books have stuck to me just as strong as thoughts on LSD have stuck to me.

But the first time I did it changed the path of my life forever. I sometimes wonder where I would be if I hadn't taken LSD. I might have no been alive right now!

>>16118951
>an obscure tryptamine like say DPT
>obscure
I can literally buy this stuff online from multiple vendors, delivery next working day.

>>16117493
>he thinks achieving extreme mental states can't result in transformative experiences
Cringe fag youtube atheist

Anyone else here read pic related?

>>16116365
Or... it changed you so much you can’t even notice it

>>16116353
Took acid for the 2nd time about 4 months ago. Had extreme memory suppression to the point where I was overcome with anxiety and despair. It made me forget how to socialize, and I’m still in the process of getting more comfortable talking to people.

>>16116353
Are all materialists psychedelic-naive?

https://qualiacomputing.com/2020/08/06/that-time-daniel-dennett-took-200-micrograms-of-lsd/

>>16117350
I've seen you hate-calling 'schizophrenic' alot recently, yet they're much more creatively profound in their contributions to /lit/ than you have been for over half a decade.

Feminister is 30 right now, so much life ahead of her, she's been living so intensely these last few years, away from /lit/, away from 4chan.

Honestly it made me stop being racist.

>Tripping, listening to Bill Withers.
>Look at the cover photo, notice how kind his smile looks
>think how impressive it is to keep a happy face & write moving music despite growing up in some ghetto ridden with crime
>drift off into space
>start thinking about how miserable the life of black people is, and how they still write soulful music
>see a big ring in front of me covered in african symbolism
>zebras, zulus, saxophonists
>the ring suddenly switches into hebrew letters and little dancing hasidic men
>think about jewish humour & liveliness despite suffering
>get inspired to perservere through suffering and stay kind to others, like Bill Withers is, and be a good person that makes the world a better place by a little bit
>realise the racist friends I have not only dont empathise with the poverty & shit conditions that black people live in, and the historic persecution of jews, but are actively happy this suffering happens, and encourage it in their political activism
>get disgusted, distance from them, change my life

Sounds kooky, but thats how it happened.

I did truffles with my friends.
Made me realise I need to take care of my body.
Now I quit smoking, no more craving for weed and I exercise 6 times a week.

LSD made me realise life is absurd and super funny. So just relax and laugh! Laughing is very important.

>>16116353
I have done LSd many times, but i don't if the tabs that i've bought are pure LSD. SOmetimes the trip was very underwhelming. I've actually never had the life changing psychedelic experience everyone describes. But that might just be me. I once took two tabs and im sure i came close to ego death. I feel like im too self aware to let drugs control me.

In regards to noticeable changes, i can say that since i started taking it i have become very thoughtful, mindful, and sceptic. I never take things as they seem to be, and instead try to be more inquisitive about why things are the way they are and how my perception of them can be deceiving. That's both a blessing and a curse.
Overall i don't have any complaints really. I'm not perfect, but i am aware of what i have to improve, and im pretty confident that i'll do that eventually. Meditation helps a lot too.

Just earlier this morning i ordered mushrooms microdoses. I'm really hopeful that will help me greatly.

>>16120315
>I have done LSd many times, but i don't if the tabs that i've bought are pure LSD. SOmetimes the trip was very underwhelming. I've actually never had the life changing psychedelic experience everyone describes. But that might just be me. I once took two tabs and im sure i came close to ego death. I feel like im too self aware to let drugs control me.
If you are so self aware why do you take LSD tabs of which you do not know the exact strength? Why would you ever do that?

>>16119462
>nearly killed myself over climate change, basically realised it was inevitable and died inside.
Prepare now, friend. Climate change is very depressing but the world will continue one way or another. Think of the millions of species that have died out before us. Nothing last forever it's just aggravating that we'd try to speed it up. No reason to kill yourself when there's still plenty to enjoy before your naturally short life ends anyway.

>>16116353
Yes. Learned how to extract dmt, how to grow mushrooms as well. Bulk techniques. I mean actual kilos. I don't have friends with these interests and I had so much sitting around. Might as well eat them all. At one point there was several vapes of dmt a day, every day. I don't care for LSD anymore because I like having complete control of the operation, from start to finish.

It didn't change me. I'm the same. Long term who knows. Ask me again in 40 years.

No difference in reading at all. Can't imagine why that would ever happen. No imagination enhancing.

No difference in creativity. Thought patterns, no I'd say not. I already liked the idea of ayy lmaos so this wasn't that shocking desu. I liked animals and volunteering at shelters before. It wasn't the mushrooms telling me to be kind to animals. My hobbies are all the same. Interests, well I enjoy reading about chemicals now but that isn't because some alien told me to, it's because I want to make more.

I think the idea that it "changes" and "resets" your shitty personality is such a goofy meme. Like some classic Americanism from a burnt out hippie. You have these narcissistic dickheads take whatever psychedelic once and then they turn into experts lecturing EVERYONE about how they and only they figured out the truth man. It's so off putting.

My times with hard drugs and benzos were far more psychedelic than psychs in all honesty. I'm talking shadow people, the sky outside going red just all kinds of nuts shit day in day out. Acid just accelerated my regular thought process and 2CB was a lot of fun but no insights from it. I am very very interested in shrooms. I understand its easy to grow?

>>16120261
Based beyond belief.

>>16116416
That is a good book.

>>16121020
Has Ram Dass always seemed like a pedo to you too?

>>16120261
I am very happy you had that experience, Anon. Bless you.

>>16121266
oh jeez

>At 60 years of age, Ram Dass began exploring Judaism seriously for the first time. "My belief is that I wasn't born into Judaism by accident, and so I needed to find ways to honor that

>In the 1990s, Ram Dass discussed his bisexuality.[45][46][47] He stated, "I've started to talk more about being bisexual, being involved with men as well as women," and added his opinion that being gay "isn't gay, and it's not not-gay, and it's not anything—it's just awareness."

>>16118453
five dried grams

>>16121456
holy kek, I didn't even know about any of that, I don't know much at all about him actually (just that he was involved with Leary (whatever that means hehe) and that he became some kind of guru later), he just seems repulsive at a visceral level when I see him in photographs

>>16116353
DMT and LSD. I don't feel it profoundly changed me. Both reinforced that all experiences are subjective impressions, utterly dependent on the material mind for their form and character. It's an effective way to sample what schizophrenia must be like.

>>16121456
>>16121482

I use a person's opinion of Ram Dass in comparison to Timothy Leary as a fundamental judge of character when I talk to psychedelic heads. If I hear any derogatory words towards Leary, or Praise towards "Ram Dass" I know instantly that I'm dealing with an idiot of the highest level and from thence forth eliminate all further communication.

>>16121741
nobody cares, fuck off

>>16122076
Found the Ram Dass pleb.

>>16116353
I'm pretty sure Psychedelics such as acid for me personally have brought out a dormant anxiety and depression that was supposed to come out later in life. A lot of people I've met love psychs. But after my journey with them I now have a breathing issue because I forgot how to breathe normally during one of my trips and I think about ending my life every day. I'm sure you or anyone else who does psychs will be fine just please make sure you don't abuse them like I did because i'm paying the price now.

>>16121741
ok, why?

>>16123279
2 Reasons:

The type of people who tend to criticize Timothy Leary are the Reddit "OMG I LOVE SCIENCE" kind of people. They claim that Leary ruined psychedelic research by being too much of a hippie, and that he should have behaved more like a clinical researcher. I completely disagree, I think Timothy Leary did great work in the 60's, and he's a big part of the reason why any of us even know about acid or psychedelic drugs.

Secondarily, Ram Dass is the most base kind of degenerate loser. Terence McKenna cracked a few jokes about how he thought Ram Dass was completely full of shit as well, Terence is another bright mind and his criticisms of Ram Dass should be taken seriously.

At the end of the day, it's always plebs and idiots who end up hating on McKenna and Leary, because they lived really meaningful lives committed to the psychedelic movement in a way that put their own persons at risk. It's a kind of bravery and honor that Reddit-fags and meditating hipsters will never be able to understand.

>>16117330

Based demons. Mutually assured destruction is the only reason advanced nations are not constantly at war with each other.

I found Colin Wilson's discussions of his mescalin experiences interesting

>>16116353
yes. i have schizophrenia now

>>16117350
You are really insensitive, do you know that? No better than the people who insult you all day.

>>16120261
This is beautiful anon, I'm happy for you.

>>16124615
Schizo was schitzing all over a thread he thinks is demon possessed.

>>16120212
The schizo posters are the christcucks. Your opinion of my creativity doesn’t bother me nor does the personal jab.
That guy was being rude.

>>16119077
I think I have read it anon
It tells about how the CIA thought they could use acid as a truth drug in the 50s? They were also afraid the russians might use it on them so the CIA would sneakily give their own agents huge doses without telling them to see if they could handle it. If thats the one you mean I agree its an interesting book.
But the Huxley gives the best description Ive ever read about what its actually like to be tripping

>>16124753
You are insufferable, really. A really hateful attitude.

>>16124964
You are anonymous. You must learn to grow a thinker skin if you are to survive here.
I honestly do care, a great deal. Have a nice day/night

Have experimented with a great deal of DMT, acid, mushrooms, etc. Beware of psychosis. Great insights to be had but to successfully come back from a psychotic break requires some careful planning.

>>16125077
Nobody wants your opinion, kill yourself

>>16116353
you're not alone even when you're alone
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8NMDmoujfo

>>16124753
when it comes to psychedelic discussion here, the loudest voices are usually
>muh degeneracy, demonic possession etc or
>it's just neurochemistry bruh, nothing of value here
both of which come across as sock puppetry more than schizophrenia.

>>16125077
>thinker
Thicker. Fuck spellcheck

>>16116353
Good books on Ayahuasca?
I read Ralph Metzner's Sacred Vine of Spirits and some of Jeremy Narby's The Cosmic Serpent.

I had it once with a western ayahuascero that was "trained" in Pero, and another one was Harmala+Mimosa (DMT and MAOI). Looking for something that explores the visionary experience and not just dry facts, to better understand my experience.

>>16124933
Yes you’re describing acid dreams.

>>16126608
The Yage Letters by William Burroughs

>>16116353
Not going to type out my whole story, but I do have a point I think is worth making.
As someone who has done shrooms several times, I believe can simulate to some extent the shroom mindset. And in that mindset your questions are very silly and not really worth answering. They would be seen as tiny insignificant bugs in comparison to a greater reality.
If you tried to ask yourself while properly high "does this make me more creative?" or "does this help me read books?" you would be immediately directed to your motive for such a question; how you are approaching life as if there is something to get. Second, you would see how silly the words are and when you tried to open a word to better understand the question it jumps away from you into an infinity. Third, you would see how the space for a possible answer to a question is defined by the question itself. To ask is itself an act of creation. There is nothing to add. What is the high-mind supposed to say in response? The act is already complete in the asking of the question. From the high mindset the thought of trying to bring back answers to yourself very laughable. We are silly things.

>>16125077
>pic
incredibly based book

>>16116353
I remember taking LSD alone in the forest once and saying to a tree, "I am so smart, I read all these dead philosophers and books and blah blah blah just to find myself here now in this chaos and realize reading the thoughts of people who never even left their house is worthless and I know nothing at all".

>>16126617
It was a long time ago I read it but that account of the CIA dosing their own agents in the 1950s always stuck with me. Imagine being a super-straight gman and out of the blue one day you start intensely tripping and you dont know what the fucks happening because youve never even heard of acid. I think the story went that they interrogated people when they were tripping to see if their minds had been broken but that the effects of acid were too unpredictable for it to be a useful truth drug.
Some people were turned into jellyfish but others thought they were god.