/lit/ - Literature

>>16119186
You'll grow out of it as soon as you hit 16

>>16119242
imagine not having heavy criticism of democracy at this point

>>16119186
>libertarians turn feudal/monarchist
This happens so often you have to wonder why these people became libertarians in the first place. Probably wasn't a concern for freedom from oppression at all, but a desire to escape checks and limits on potential infinite power, and the means to abuse others and get away with it that comes with that.

>>16119353
Lmao you've never read any libertarian theory, go back

>>16119358
>an observation is made about how people move from x to y often
>'lmao you've never read x's ideology'
Literally what the fuck are you thinking that would change?

>>16119353
ordered liberty is the next step in libertarian theoretical thinking considering pure liberty without order hasn't actually provided the solutions society seeks

it's the next logical and intellectual step for any self-aware libertarian to take

>>16119353
>libertarianism is just an excuse to knock down structures that are deleterious to society by means of stealth rather than brute force because those structures cannot openly be abolished
Correct. I remember having this conversation with people on here a decade ago, who openly admitted that they would not be Libertarians if slime like Bernanke weren't in charge of the Federal Reserve.

>identifying with an ideology

>>16119353
What if they are following the God Emperor's Golden Path in using tyranny to seed liberty?

>>16119186
Based.

>>16119388
nope, moldbug is pure acceleration my friend, its a purely philosophical framework

take the clearpill and erase your mind

Lolbertarians are literal retards.

>>16119388
>ideology

>>16119395
THIS

It was pretty funny and good. Moldbug is kind of a delight.

>>16119395
>The clear pill does say you’re in a dome. It says nothing about the real world outside that dome, only that you know nothing about that world—just some facts. It does not even challenge any of those facts. It is made from pure philosophy and contains no jet fuel or steel beams.

>>16119371
Read Moldbug to see why exactly he shifted from libertarianism to neo-cameralism, libertarianism is a carefully crafted political philosophy based on axiomatic reasoning and as such it is at odds with democratic governments, it is for the same reason that Plato disliked democracy, so the nearest possible solution is some form of enlightened absolutism

>>16119353
No king ever told me I was racist for being white.

>>16119447
>Read Moldbug
lol

Yarvin is great. i used to be a butthurt rightard but reading his blog and listening to his podcast appearances deradicalized me a fair bit.

>>16119475
Read the first 20% and just pretend you agree with the remaining 80%. The man says in an essay what you and I say in a sentence.

>>16119186
Watch Keith Woods' video on Moldburg so you can see why he's a meme.

>>16119447
If his writings are as boring and retarded as his recent podcast appearances.. no.

>>16119483
Books to help me understand these sports references?

>>16119497
here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTzUeIdb1g

>>16119329
What we have isn’t democracy

>>16119407
dude just accept white power lmao

>>16119524
don't do this"no true scotsman" shit like the commies do

observable reality should tell you that if democracy can be corrupted to such an extent that it is only a lie, then the system itself is no good and should be tossed out -

>>16119524
Kek. Even if this is true, we had to have had it 50-100 years ago and it didnt work great then, rode of the trust and character of the great people there, and then ultimately led to now.

>>16119353
>Probably wasn't a concern for freedom from oppression at all
You’re right, you could read any libertarian theory at all

>>16119407
Pure cringe.

>>16119623
Abolish the corrupting influence: capitalism.

>>16119716
Cronyism*

>>16119520
>>16119497
I think Keith's falling for the same trap I see a lot of other more NatSoc leaning types making. Moldbug (on Borzoi's podcast) said "It's not the Jews, it's the nobles", and he's wrong about that (it is the Jews), but it'd be just as wrong to say "it's not the nobles, it's the Jews", because both statements are too reductionist.

Which kind of ties into Keith's criticisms as a whole, in that while Moldbug is certainly running cover for the Jews (I see him as a sort of Josephus figure, in that he's trying to create a way for the Jews to get out of Liberalism before it uses them up and discards them), he's not totally wrong to say that the system is more complicated than just "the Learned Elders of Zion are literally doing a mass blood-libel". Who then, are these Learned Elders? This is where I disagree about Keith's criticisms of Cathedral and his disagreement with Moldbug's argument that the system isn't a top-down chain: Cathedral IS how the System works (and does actually differ from "Hegemony" by discarding Gramsci's Marxist horseshit), and the Jews are part of that system.

Liberalism is a system. It's made up of different parts. This system is smart enough to replace bad parts with good ones. These parts operate via mechanisms. The Anglos used to be the ruling class of Liberalism. When Liberalism saw that it could replace them with Jews, who would be a better ruling class, it did. This doesn't make Jews guiltless, nor does it make Liberalism guiltless. This just means that it's more complicated than "a top-down chain of Yids". The system does work through incentives, and it does work through Big Players setting those incentive structures. That's kind of the point, because those Big Players have incentive structures too (by furthering Liberalism, they get to act out their ethnic power fantasies).

Assuming that these Big Players are just blackboxes acting out pre-programmed statements, and not people with their own incentive structures within the Cathedral, is just flat out wrong. Soros isn't outside of the Cathedral, he's part of it. Hell, Soros personally isn't even doing much lately, he's so fucking old everything is run by others with little input from him personally.

Keith's looking at too small of a historical period here, basing his thoughts solely on the 20th century to present.

>>16119899
based.

>>16119520
>>16119497
>another antisemite fascist
nobody gives a flying fuck, you're politically irrelevant

Who do I read if I already read CCRU, Fisher and Baudrillard

another shill thread

>>16119899
>Which kind of ties into Keith's criticisms as a whole, in that while Moldbug is certainly running cover for the Jews (I see him as a sort of Josephus figure, in that he's trying to create a way for the Jews to get out of Liberalism before it uses them up and discards them)

You really have to pity the Natsoc's low IQ tribalist rut he simply can't escape from. Nowhere in this person's mind is there a shred of doubt for the accusation he's laid on Moldbug, simply because he is a Jew himself.

Truly a mental illness.

>>16119899
Keith Woods isn't a reductionist. He didn't say it's JUST Jews. He mentions in the video that other things like the American hegemony (CIA) and capital also played a role. But the fact that the Jewish aspect is the only one that is too taboo to discuss, we can only assume it's the most important one.

>>16119186

a regular authoritarian. just want to finnagle his class to stay on top. i laughed out loud when i heard him in interview tactically getting "emotional" over the death of thousands unders stalinism, to establish himself as someone capable of feeling... like, there are thousands dying right now under neoliberalism, where are the fake tears for that misery?

>>16120524
>dude wheres my fee fee's and tears!!!?!??!
are you a woman?

he literally hates neoliberalism

>>16120210
Based

>>16119899
>it's da jooos

Low IQ take. Let's agree on something first: We both dislike these evil globalist billionaires who support globohomo. We both dislike diversity, political correctness, democracy, modern art, modern music, modern architecture, progressivism, multiculturalism, feminism, LGBTQ bullshit etc. The point where I and /pol/ disagree is when it comes to describing who exactly these evil globalist billionaires are. If you listened to /pol/ they'd have you think this elite is predominantly Jewish and and the gentile whites who are in there are mere shabbosgoys. In reality however, jews don't even make up the majority of these evil globalist billionaires and the gentiles within this elite aren't just slaves who work for some Jewish conspiracy, they are acting in their own interest. I don't say that there is nothing one can criticize about jews since they are more likely to be left wing and some jews do resent heteronormative ethnically homogeneous patriarchal white societies because they have been told that these people committed the holocaust and they consciously or subconsciously support immigration, feminism, LGBTQ rights and race denialism because they think this way they can prevent another holocaust. I also admit that jews are disproportionately represented in this elite because they have high IQs and are successful and nepotistic. But, jews are not as bad or as powerful as /pol/ makes them out to be. The JQ by and large is a myth and a meme. In a way, white nationalists refuse to acknowledge that the white race isn't as based as they think it is and blame every shortcoming and the SJWness of whites on jews, when in reality whites are pozzed without jews too. Look at how left wing Sweden is, those supposedly blond nordic aryans who are supposed to be the Uber-evropeans are absolute cucks, there are only 20k jews in Sweden but many millions of ethnic swedes, blaming the bad state the white race is in on jews is right wing SJWism.

>>16120574
read again what i said. he doesn't get "choked up" about neoliberalism! but "abloo bloo muh gulag archipelagooooo noooo never again"

>>16120605
semantics level: over 9000

>>16120605
that was enough for me to see him as some sort of weasely sophist.

>>16119899
Soros supports BDS. After I found this out, I really started to question what /pol/ says. There is no jew that is portrayed more as this stereotypical evil subversive treasonous ethnocentric rootless Jewish billionaire other than George Soros. If you only read /pol/ you'd think he is a guy who hates all goys and thinks they're cattle and thinks jews are the master race and he's only loyal to them. In reality, that guy financially supports BDS. He literally financially supports BDS. Ask any Israeli who is knowledgeable about his country and he'll tell you he hates Soros. Soros is anti Israel. This fact totally contradicts what /pol/ says about him and jews in general. And /pol/ is like "nooooo don't poke holes into my perfect little theory, no you can't just contradict my simple theory (jews=bad) that explains the world so perfectly, you can't just do that, I can't deal with so much nuance"

In the middle ages, kings would hire jews as tax collectors, so every time a goyish peasant was forced to do the inconvenient thing that is paying taxes, he saw a Jewish face. Jews weren't particularly rich back then and they worked in this profession only because they were banned from other jobs, also because hypocritical Christians wanted banking to exist, but didn't want to do that dirty job themselves so they made jews do it. Everytime there was an uprising and the peasants were upset with the state of politics jews, the tax collectors were the scapegoat, even though the king was the guilty one who only used jews to get money without the taxpayers being aware that the person who really wants their taxes is the king and the king would say to the peasants "yes its those filthy Jesus murdering jews that are ruining you, keep on blaming them, it's totally not me, go ahead and kill them". And sadly enough, things didn't change much since then.

>>16119186
I hate zoomers and their political hipsterdom.

Are you an anarcho-monarchist-traditionalist-libertarian? Or are you just a bored faggot sitting in your computer chair too much? How will neo-pastoralism give me better healthcare or lower my taxes?

Get a job.

>>16119899
Based, Jews just picked up the torch where A*glos left, Hitler actually wanted to destroy the A*glos with V-3 but failed and went with the Holocaust shit

>>16120598
Pic related.

>>16120497
I would say he is being reductionist, yes. He's not reducing the number of players, but rather the source. All of those things are just pawns leading back up to The Learned Elders of Zion, who have a distinct end goal, and operate as a black box. Input in, poz out. But that's not how it works, there are no Learned Elders, there's just a system of power and incentives, and every move operates via some mechanism.

I'm not saying that Moldbug ISN'T being reductionist, however (there's a hidden idea in Moldbug that Jews are only a problem BECAUSE of Liberalism; I disagree, they're a problem no matter what, Liberalism just makes them a much bigger problem). Rather, I'm saying that while his assessment of how the system works is correct, his assessment of who is responsible is not.

None of this is to say we SHOULDN'T point out the Jew where needed, but rather, we need to understand where "The Jew" fits into the system, how it fits, and what the mechanisms by which it operates are.

>>16120404
Moldbug's pretty open about this. He's actually talked about this at least three times (When he was on Hermitix, Hyperpodcastism, and with Malice). Moldbug is one of the quickest to point out that Liberalism has been absolutely disastrous to Jews (other dissidents do as well, but the aformentioned "Jews are a black box" idea leads to this often being overlooked).

>>16120760
>Learned elders of zion

>>16120712
Soros supporting BDS is not at all something I wouldn't expect. Jews have an internal dialectic, arguing over Liberalism, Zionism, and Orthodoxy. They quibble over what's best for the Jews, but they all work for what's best for the Jews. Soros, Netanyahu, and the Lubbovitch Rebbe would all stab each other if given the chance, but would also gladly take turns stabbing you and splitting the profits they get from rifling through your pockets.

You're absolutely right about Jews as Tax Collectors, however. That's a really good example of what I was sort of getting at initially: a system using a group of people for some task that they, for reasons really unrelated to the system, turn out to be good at. It's also a good example of how "it's not the Jews, it's the nobles" and "it's not the nobles, it's the Jews" are both too reductionist, because it's both, to some degree, and you lose the nuance necessary to deal with the situation by painting with too wide of a brush.

>>16120760
>>16120799
you ever wonder if /pol/ just wishes they could be Jews themselves? They have unconsciously constructed Jews as the ultimate Ubermnensch.

>>16120814
>you ever wonder if /pol/tards wish they could openly practice ethnocentrism?
I don't have to wonder, it's not exactly hidden. This was the way essentially all humans thought before the 1900s, and is the way most people today still think.

Jews just happen to have a bad case of collective narcissism. But then, that's part of why Liberalism is so great for them: they get to act out their psychotic fantasies in return for keeping the spice flowing.

>>16120760
Wignats are really nothing else but right wing SJWs. Whereas non-whites say their backwardness/ inferiority is caused by whites, wignats claim the degeneracy/inferiority of the white race is caused by jews. I could name you countries with laughably low Jewish populations who still follow the globohomo agenda but you'll still claim their degeneracy is caused by jews because some American companies exist in these countries that are a supposed vessel of Jewish control, just like a non white SJW when confronted with how backwards Africa is can always claim that this is so due to colonialism aka white influence. Stop blaming jews for your inferiority.

Why do otherwise intelligent people, who could dedicate themselves to areas where their expression might produce value in the world, sometimes get caught up in this need to have a political opinion? You're a libertarian - no one cares. You're a monarchist - no one cares. You're a marxist - no one cares. No one with power requires your consent for a thing, and they are not seeking your input, despite this false veneer of democracy, which ironically enough Moldbug does identify as false, but then persists in spiraling deeper into political interests. Just hate to see it.

>>16120873
>intelligent
>libertarian

Pick one.

>>16119353
I myself had some libertarian ideas an am now a reactionary. Initially, people like me just wanted to be left alone and not pay a lot of taxes (especially not to an incompetent government), but the more facts I came across, the longer the list of things that need to be dealt with in order that I can be left alone grew and eventually democracy was on that list too. I don't want no government anymore, l want to run the government. In other words, the government isn't the problem, it's how the government is run.

>>16119497
>Keef woods
>Intellectually capable of refuting Moldbug

Pick one. And I'm not saying Moldbug can't be criticized, I'm saying Keef Woods is an intellectual midget.

>>16120873
Moldbug is a programmer first and foremost and is concerned with his software called Urbit. He's married and is running a business.

His theoretical postulation offending you is immaterial.

>>16121051
And these meaningless political positions that you misguided intellects take up always lead you to this kind of thinking: the other guys is mad, or he's offended, you're always trying to get one-over on some political opponent, not even stepping outside of the confrontational frame for a moment. Again, hate to see intelligent people captured in these artificial frames, fighting wars in their head that don't matter.

>>16120834
It's not just ethnocentrism, it's also their high IQs and the things I mention below.

>>16120814
Guillaume Fay talked about this. White nationalist jew haters secretly envy jews for a multitude of reasons: Their higher IQs, their power, their wealthy, their connectedness, the fact that Israel has an above replacement fertility rate and white countries don't, the fact that Israel restricts citizenship to ethnic jews, the fact that Israel has impressive border walls etc. . Those are all things white nationalists want too, plus jews are a convenient scapegoat /pol/ can blame the degeneracy of the white race on.

>>16121070
It does matter.

Liberalism will end at some point and when it happens, a superior and fully functional philosophical and economical framework must be in position to replace it, otherwise we risk descending into misbegotten communism or fascism, or worse, a hunter-gatherer society.

Not sure why you contest it. It's quite a noble undertaking.

>>16119456
>imblying kings aren't equally retarded in different ways
>being so spineless you would prefer an inbred retard ruling to making your own decisions

>>16121097
You can talk a King out of bulldozing your house to make a new palace by showing him a better location.

You can never talk a bureaucracy out of anything, no matter how stupid or disastrous it is.

>>16119524
>real democracy has never been tried!

>>16120959
lol that sounds like you went from Libertarian to meritocratic Liberal

>>16121117
That’s a really lazy differentiation and depends entirely on who the monarch is and who is participating in the bureaucracy

>>16120856
All races are equal, but yours will be the first to get gassed, again

>>16121147
This applies to every monarch ever, and every bureaucracy ever.

>>16119186
Moldbug's neo-monarchist effectively means dystopian cyberpunk nightmare controlled by rootless corporations. He's either a fucking moron or a paid propagandist.

>>16121282
no that's not the case whatsoever
dystopian cyberpunk settings are always ruled by megacorps with 0 accountability

Moldbug wants accountable monarch CEOs running state-level corporations where you have absolute freedom of movement to decide which state-corpo you want to be a part of

>>16121282
>He's either a fucking moron or a paid propagandist.
Have you heard him speak? It will resolve the image quickly.

>>16119524
Moldbug would agree with you.

>>16121323
What causes the corporation to go against its interests, i.e be accountable and grant freedom?

>>16121323
His rhetoric convincing people to do nothing and accept the unfolding nightmare is because he wants the nightmare to win. Moldbug's vision is already in play. He's not a dissident. He's a mouthpiece for the Corporate Cathedral. It's very apparent. Accountable monarch CEOs. What a fucking laugh. Really. He's laughing at you.

>>16121148
So much projection

>>16121127
>liberal
What did I say that makes you think I'm a liberal?

>>16121148
>German fertility rate 1.6
>Israel fertility rate 2.4
>German median age 46
>Israel median age 30

Hmmm

jej look at this faggot, Moldbug got absolutely wrecked this last time he went on Hyperpodcastism with Borzoi, the guy is a joke, spilled his beans completely when everyone started pointing out how utterly retarded the holocaust is - went full jew and showed his true face.

Learn this children, if a jew comes to you to discuss a "right wing philosophy", chances are it's a bullshit sophism created to make you stay away from national socialism

>>16121350
Corporations only interest is profit. Any corporation not providing competitive quality of life would see mass exodus. Any CEO who forgoes profit motive gets removed by the board of directors. If the board of directors decide to forego profit motive people leave

>>16121595
imagine worshipping some dead cuck who blew his brains out in a bunker 75 years ago

>>16119353
In some cases it's because they were never really libertarian to begin with, and simply stumbled upon it because it was the only thing they knew that was """""""not mainstream"""""" and seemed to be in orbit of what they wanted. In other cases it's because they realize that economic and even personal liberty don't really have anything to do with liberty to affect government.

>>16121595
>t.

>>16119353
Just like leftists for the most part will be ok with endless war, corporate rule totalitarian police states and social atomization as long as they get rainbow flags and mandatory white fragility reeducation seminars.

>>16121595
National Socialism is too left-wing for my tastes

>>16119447
Virgin neocameralist v chad postlibertarian synthesis of michel foucault late writings on biopolitics and governmentality austrian school economics wilsonian sociobiology and the anarchist anthropology of james c scott and pierre clastres

>>16120814
Read celine's rants or von lebenfels ariosophic theozoology, notorious texts banned by tha nazis for being too funny and too obscene and thus a disgrace to respectable antisemites. Familiar /pol/ themes like cuck porn, lewd sex apes with huge ape penises electric aryan hermaphrodites, loving descriptions of you the reader getting fucked in the ass by jews. Antisemites confirmed gay for the BFJS(big fat jewish schlong)

>>16121824
>social atomization
Social atomization is good though; fuck the community. Humanity's affair is not my affair.

>>16121907
reminds me of that Mark Brahmin guy. Keeps talking about all of history and art being just a bunch of "semetic figures" cucking "aryan figures"

>>16121978
When freud writes about the primal father of the horde keeping all the nubile women for himself i cant help but imagine an ape that looks suspiciously like jeffrey epstein spliced with all the chad memes. Making his appearance at the dusk of mankind as he did at its dawn. The sad truth is the jews are fucking us all in the ass. The audacity of these people.

>>16121206
Man this board is completely infested with retards

>>16119353
this is completely obvious and happened to me. if you're a libertarian you are an extremist defender of the only inequality allowed under liberalism (financial inequality). From here it isn't much of a leap to wanting to defend other forms of inequality instead, and then switching to the accompanying ideologies of these forms such as "X religious theocracy" or "america first" or "white people first". Libertarianism is a gateway towards generalized inegalitarian thinking

>>16122053
>no, there are some people that no human being can talk to
>yes, you can talk to abstract systems
Yeah, you should fuck off so we don't have to deal with you anymore.

>>16119407
>If I cannot imagine something, it doesn't exist
>well, it might exist - but it doesn't matter because I'll never understand it
what a sad way of looking at the world

>>16122210
Same on the other hand as leftists favour the restriction of liberty. You start with economic equality but then its about equality of feelings, abolition of sexual and racial differences through coercitive social engineering and eventually abolition of differences in thought through mind control and the abolition of free speech. Maybe it was never about economics to begin with seeing the order leftist priorities usually take. They would rather have oligarchic corporate capitalism with cultural marxism than a socialism led by the white majority

>>16119186
>I am now a post-libertarian neo-monarchist.
Congratulate you!

>>16122448
Sounds mostly right albeit a bit unfair if you’re including actual communists in with the social justice crowd. Modern leftists are easy for liberals to control because they always shared the same hatred of inherited status. Under liberalism leftish-minded people can have their emotional need to see the high made low in social terms (redirecting their hatred of wealth inequality to race etc). In this way the economy becomes a depoliticized Fact (good for liberals) and inherited inequalities are destroyed (good for the conscience of leftists). Basically modern social politics is the fruits of a long process of domesticating communists into accepting liberalism since they are united in some crucial areas. Marx said things to this effect too; he commended capitalism for overthrowing traditional hierarchical institutions and replacing them with a bourgeois elite

>>16119186
>neo-monarchist

What does that even mean?

>>16122635
Something very specific, when referring to Moldbug. Let me try to explain, others please correct me:


Moldbug's ideal system is breaking the whole world up into small scale states ("Patchwork"), each consisting of a few cities and a number of villages. These states are run by a sort of hereditary executive monarchy. People are free to leave as they wish; states can bar access to certain classes of people, however. You can invest in "stock" in the state, thereby becoming a citizen, and giving you voting rights in the state.

This is not a utopia, rather it is a "better than this" solution, until an actual utopia can be found.

>>16122325
as opposed to blindly believing in something without fully understanding it? lmao

i will read moldbug when and only when he posts physique

>>16122630
The worst thing is leftist are so stupid they just want to see more niggers and gay molestation on tv and keep the white workingclass down while the same old jews stay in power and actual niggers are driven further and further into ghetto lumpenization as every wave of riots destroys their homes and businesses

>>16122771
I'm just beginning to read into Moldbug's stuff and his followers as well, but I'm not sure voting comes into the equation, since it shouldn't be democratically run.

>>16120712

Not to disagree with your wider point but does BDS even have any impact at all? Who even knows which brands are Israeli or not? It seems like a sideshow that's mostly a PR trumpet.

>>16122898

Netanyahu privately said that BDS is the biggest threat to Israel (there's no real military threat because Israel has nukes) so I assume the threat is real.

>>16122210
>being anti egalitarian is a gateway to inegalitarian thinking
wow big brain take there

>>16119407
>I wanted to believe we landed on the moon, but my high school level education leaves me with no ability to understand rocketry, therefor I can't imagine how rockets would work to get to the moon, therefor the moon landing don't real.
Wow, it works! I'll have such a clear view of reality from now on, especially considering it's entirely based around my imagination.

>>16123541
Shit argument.

You don't need to understand rocketry when there's boat loads of evidence to support us actually landing on the moon. The immediately went to the most extreme example you can think of to discredit his framework.

Fucking sophists.

>>16123557
>You don't need to understand rocketry when there's boat loads of evidence to support us actually landing on the moon.
Nobody said "do research" or "look at the evidence". They said "Assume it's true, then build a new reality around that axiom... This integrity check is literally failsafe". I want to believe this process makes sense, so I assume it does then imagine a world where it works exactly as I believe it does, and look what I found. When your ability to accept knowledge as functionally accurate is limited by your fucking imagination and whatever resources it as to draw from, you end up ignoring true shit and believing stupid shit.

If it's something less obvious than the moon landing where you can't just look up "is it real" on the internet, what the fuck are you supposed to do?

>>16119186
Absolutely, positively, undeniably, unquestionably, undoubtedly, unconditionally, CATEGORICALLY BASED.

>>16123645
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>>16122210
You were very obviously never a libertarian, you don't even understand what negative liberties are. The entire reason people like Moldbug became far right is because they think only systems like monarchy can really protect negative liberties, and that democracy is particularly bad at it.

It has nothing to do with 'white people first', Moldbug is a fucking Jew anyway and wants to live in some post-racial Singaporean hyper-capitalist melting pot. If you think calling Africans dumb is unique to White Nationalism then you know little about the world. He's also emphatically atheist.

I don't even like Moldbug much you just don't even know the basics of what you're discussing.

>>16122846
Stop being such a slavish revolutionary my man. It's cringe

>>16120712
>Soros supports BDS. After I found this out, I really started to question what /pol/ says. There is no jew that is portrayed more as this stereotypical evil subversive treasonous ethnocentric rootless Jewish billionaire other than George Soros. If you only read /pol/ you'd think he is a guy who hates all goys and thinks they're cattle and thinks jews are the master race and he's only loyal to them. In reality, that guy financially supports BDS. He literally financially supports BDS. Ask any Israeli who is knowledgeable about his country and he'll tell you he hates Soros. Soros is anti Israel. This fact totally contradicts what /pol/ says about him and jews in general. And /pol/ is like "nooooo don't poke holes into my perfect little theory, no you can't just contradict my simple theory (jews=bad) that explains the world so perfectly, you can't just do that, I can't deal with so much nuance"

>In the middle ages, kings would hire jews as tax collectors, so every time a goyish peasant was forced to do the inconvenient thing that is paying taxes, he saw a Jewish face. Jews weren't particularly rich back then and they worked in this profession only because they were banned from other jobs, also because hypocritical Christians wanted banking to exist, but didn't want to do that dirty job themselves so they made jews do it. Everytime there was an uprising and the peasants were upset with the state of politics jews, the tax collectors were the scapegoat, even though the king was the guilty one who only used jews to get money without the taxpayers being aware that the person who really wants their taxes is the king and the king would say to the peasants "yes its those filthy Jesus murdering jews that are ruining you, keep on blaming them, it's totally not me, go ahead and kill them". And sadly enough, things didn't change much since then.
All true, one of my proudest nerdy moments was being banned from /pol/ in the old 8ch, my ban didn't even had a reason. What happened was that there was an argument and all the poltards come to me and I couldn't answer to all of them but the ones I did my responses were contrarian to their beliefs but really well researched, so they hate it, at a point they start attacking me...you wouldn't believe it...of being "privileged" (yes in pol they said that to me) because I wrote like "an academic paper" and in order to know so much about I must be a smart and rich person.

That's when I saw something like BDS by Soros. The pol type is not used to reading or researching, the eco chamber makes a storyline so long and wide that they believe it all, but in reality is a house of cards, just one good attack and it falls, and when that happened they end up being no different than a black queer saying you are "privileged". We have lost our intellectualism.

>>16120712
You are heavily downplaying the role Jews played in usury in Europe for the past 1000 years. They were not forced into it, in many cases they used their wealth and power bases in other countries to affect laws in a country that allowed them to return(having been ejected centuries earlier for guess what? usury) and start up moneylending again.

The entire idea that they would be 'forced into' an incredibly lucrative yet entirely parasitic and massively harmful behavior is ridiculous.

>"libertarian"
>want a dictator with divine right
I literally can't comprehend how there's an entire movement of people who are this fucking retarded. I thought the neoreactionary dark enlightenment people must be interesting to be this contrarian and seemingly contradictory, but they aren't. They truly are just incredibly fucking retarded, edgy pseudo-intellectual faggots. They want to feel smart and cool in a painfully 90s alternative way, when really they're basically dorky code monkey losers.

>>16124197
well you didn't bother to read enough to know even that the central insight of the entire thing is 'libertarianism doesn't work because there is always a sovereign'. Which is hardly original to these nrx people anyway.

>>16119186
>reads Hoppe once

>>16124197
>the libertarians version of an ideal utopian government is the kind that can't be manipulated to infringe on personal liberty? how gay of them
wow, throw the whole philosophy away I guess

>>16124238
In monarchy, you're giving government supreme authority to infringe on your personal liberty

>>16124255
They already have that authority, that's the point. Monarchs have less incentives than democratic bureaucracies to infringe on said rights, Monarchs also never actually had supreme authority and the totalitarian states of the 20th century were far more invasive than any monarchy ever was. That was the idea, you can disagree with it obviously.

>>16124028
You’re a Jew in the Middle Ages. You can’t own land, you can’t join a guild, and most princes won’t let you settle in the kingdom. What options are there for someone who needs to feed their family?

>>16124255
Look here nigger, literally any form of actual government in the actual world is made up of people capable of potentially doing things with their various positions of power to infringe on personal liberty. It's just going to happen. Libertarians aren't like socialists in that we say stupid shit like "yeah well if my personal perfect version of the philosophy has never been tried and would work perfectly if it was". If avenues are open for people to seize power, people will seize that power and trample over liberty. If only one person has power, perhaps controlled or regulated power, but nonetheless has power with an extremely limited ability to transfer to other people, the ability for your average tyrant to take over and fuck everything up goes significantly down.

If the king is only permitted by his position to do certain things, and only one person gets to be king, you would not have the current problem where every county manufactures their own little tyrant that is guaranteed to whittle away at liberty for the sake of special interests. Yeah, the king could go out of line, could infringe on personal liberty, could do a whole bunch of shit they're not supposed to, but it's only a possibility as opposed to a guarantee. There's a possibility that a meteor could hit tomorrow, but we don't include that in our political theories despite how much it would certainly shake things up.

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>>16124028
You don't know shit about the laws against Jews in Medieval Europe. It's like they wanted to funnel them into really specific financial jobs because that was the only thing they could legally do. Why do you fags have so much blatant ressentiment for these supposed subhumans?

>>16124505
>ressentiment
i see you anon :)
glad you got the spelling down

>>16124505
Yes they were forced to become extremely rich through a predatory and entirely harmful practice, which was frequently outlawed and then coincidentally legalized when Jews returned to a country, because they were oppressed. Very compelling view of history you have.