/lit/ - Literature

Threads without derailment: 1

>>16080340
This chart is completely retarded in both the sense that you're always supposed to read stuff in publication order and that it doesn't give you an order to actually read everything in, just strips that intersect and go back on themselves. Bullshit. Discworld really is the most reddit of fantasy, even more than LotR.

Reminder that Akka did nothing wrong.

I'm thinking of reading it chronologically or how it's ordered. What's the best story to start with?

>>16080328
Being able to talk about off-topic things with particular people (like the posters in this thread for instance) is a good thing I think, as long as it doesn't take things too far out for too long. I always hated how old forums would make you stick the the topic strictly and enforce it.

>>16080364
The Discworld books do not have a strong narrative connection that requires reading all of them in chronological order. Excluding the first two books, none of them really ends on a cliffhanger. The books are not numbered Book Four of the Saga of the World of the Disc, they are stories in themselves.
Besides, what does
>the most reddit of fantasy
even mean? Does it mean it's not grimderp like Prince of Thorns-Up-His-Ass?
So what /sffg/ books would you suggest to a bitter OCD-sufferer such as yourself?

>>16080603
/lit/ is a gormenghast board nigger, get the fuck back to /v/ or wherever your boring harhar so ironic trash comes from

>>16080328
What derailed the last thread?

>>16080619
No you seem to be the newfag here, Discworld has been /lit/ for ages.
>boring harhar so ironic trash
Now describing Discworld like that is just incorrect, it doesn't apply at all. Besides, I've read Gormenghast and it is surprisingly similar to Discworld in tone.

>>16076550
You're one of those self entitled cucks. You treat people like shit, then expect them to sacrifice themselves for you when you need help.
You feel that someone should sacrifice themselves for the masses.
I'm glad that those idiotic self sacrifice novels are falling out of style. I hate that trope in movies and books where the "hero" stays back to sacrifice himself for others. You should fuck off and kys you piece of shit. Why don't you an hero for the city faggot cuck scum.

>>16080702
Can't agree more, the hero sacrifice has been pushed hard in modern times by various jewish media. Don't fall for jews and jewish tricks.

>>16080677
Nothing, that's the 1 thread w/o derailment. It's a running total.

>Angland
>Gurkish

seriously?

Just read Brawne Lamia's story in Hyperion. I loved it. There's got to be a ton of books with the same cyberpunk noir love story feel. Please recommend me a few that I can read after I'm finished with Hyperion.

>>16080975
>Jeffrey -> Joffrey
>Edward -> Eddard
>Dragon -> Drogon

Ahem. Fuck E William Brown.

>>16080992
Altered Carbon is exactly that. The Expanse starts off with a detective story.

>>16076550
>imagine getting mad that someone doesn't want to get themselves killed for you
You're such a hypocrite. I'm sure if you were in the MCs shoes, you would have ran for the hills. Imagine living in a glass house and chucking stones non stop.
Pathetic.jpg

>>16080702
It's a good thing to sacrifice yourself for others. What isn't good is to expect anyone else to do it, because that amounts to sacrificing others for yourself.

>>16081149
Is it worth reading even if I've watched the show? Haven't watched season 2 yet.

>>16080992
The only other book that sucked me in like Hyperion was Neuromancer. I would also appreciate any suggestions for similar reads.

>Way of Kings is 1400 pages on my Kindle
wtf, I thought it was like 700-800. Is it really worth it? Is there CATHARSIS?

Anything with similar chad energy as pic related?
>MC that literally just wants the best for 1 person or at most their family.
>Superhuman but not invincible, not heroes journey tier but has defeats/victories that (for the most part) feel earned.
>Times of genuine pathos and grounded humour in every day life.
>Different Motif per entry / series.
>Sci-fi/Biotech theme is a plus.

>>16081200
Different mediums end up with different page counts for various reasons. I checked and the physical version is around 1,000 pages.

>>16081200
Fuck no.
Kaladin is the only reason to read WoK - and even then, it's like reading the same thing over and over again for a good 600 pages.
Dalinar is a nice addition, but I'm into noble squabbling and not every one else is. A lot of normies don't like his portions.
Shallan utterly fucks the book to high hell. Beyond redemption just how shit her portions are.

>>16080328
>Threads with redditors SEETHing
>0

>>16081186
They're both shows. Only you can answer that question.

>>16081328
Calm down thread saboteur.

>>16081224
So why do so many people like it then? Surely there's something to it that nothing else offers?

>>16079827
>>16079717
Are these legit suggestions or troll?
>>16080340
Most of the starter novels are not so good: for instance Mort is kinda disappointing nowadays, and one could start from reaper man without losing much.

Anyone got the maymay with MacLahlan's Paul saying something like IT'S TIME TO SPICE THINGS UP?

>>16081383
Game of Thrones is good even if it's never finished. First Law series is pumping out books regularly, has a complete trilogy out and standalones.

>>16081205
Isn't that Japan's beetleman/bugman?

>>16081443
>anyone wants to rehash the same unfunny shit every thread instead of discussing new stuff like me

>>16081205
unironically matches most of your criteria

>>16081484
I'm just looking for a meme I saw recently, dude
If I could find it on google I wouldn't be here

>>16080509
No goddammit. Read the stories in WRITTEN order and you should have bought the Del Rey collections.

>>16081354
I guess what I should really ask is does the book for Altered Carbon have enough differences from the show to not be an exact recap of what I watched?

>>16080702
You missed the entire point of that post, karen. I wasn't saying the sorcerer should or shouldn't sacrifice himself, but that his cunt of a girlfriend didn't even care if her own father died. SHE was the selfish one. Do you understand now, retard?

>>16080702
>>16081157
lol why samefag? And why did that post trigger you so much, you daffy cunt?

>>16080509
Just read them in the order they're in the book, Jesus Christ, and don't listen to this autist >>16081531

>>16081576
Fuck off, moron. Only retards suggest reading stories in chronological order and not written/published order.

>>16081587
I'll read them in whatever order I want and there's nothing you can about it

>>16081602
Tell me where you live. It's time for rape.

>it's another Miles plays space detective while trying to untangle galactic conspiracies episode

I fucking love this shit.

>>16081616
>chick writer
Yikes

>>16081531
What if the first book written was published last because the author couldn't find a publisher you absolute cretin?

>>16081501
>If I could find it on google I wouldn't be here
so tou think you're better than us and you're only here because you need help?

>>16081626
WRITTEN
ORDER

>>16081622
>publicly outing yourself as gay on a Yucatan Sombrero Dusting-Off Forum

Not the best of places to come out of the closet my man

>>16081635
Only gays would read girl writers.

>>16081633
So I'm supposed to dig and find out 20 footnotes from the author to know which is the written order? You don't sound autistic at all, no siree

>>16081642
>nooo girls have coodies

Grow up son

>>16081644
I'm sorry you're a bitch, anon.

>>16081651
consume less sperm

>>16081671
The only correct way to read a series is by the alphabetical order of the titles.

>>16081682
Would you rather I kept going with your ma or she vent her anger and sexual frustration on you? Your call

>tfw the trash you're reading ends on a legit cliffhanger 3 books in
>no new release since December
hmm

>>16081691
I'm sure that sounded better in your very homosexual head.

>>16081644
I'm impressed by how someone in this year and age doesn't know how to do a simple Google search.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Howard_bibliography#Conan_the_Barbarian

Are Jack Vance's books a good rec if I am a fan of Ursula Le Guin and Gene Wolfe?

>>16081810
Probably not. I imagine Brandon Sanderson is more your forte.

>>16081810
Le Guin is shit. Wolfe is based. And Wolfe was obviously inspired by Vance's Dying Earth tales. So yes read Vance.

>>16081362
Is it often that the most popular works are also the highest quality ones?

>>16081860
>often
Yes. Not always, but often. And even if they're not the absolute highest quality, they usually have a couple things done so well that it sets them apart from the competition.

>>16081821
Idk why but Sanderson shit seems like.... well, shit to me despite being a GRRM shill

>>16081901
Trust me I have never seen a fan of Wolfe who doesn't love Sanderson just as much if not more.

>>16081854

this

>>16081904

me

>>16080603
>The Discworld books do not have a strong narrative connection that requires reading all of them in chronological order.
Gee it's a good thing nobody read any of the Discworld books while they were being published and waited for the full chronology to be known. Oh wait nobody did that. You insufferable cunt.

>>16081810
Vance stands on his own. His prose is excellent if you don't mind purpley stuff. Imagine a crafty storyteller that likes flowery phrasings, full of color, with abrupt turns of phrase. His dialogues, in particular the cheek and wit of them, can be absolutely God tier.
The above applies mostly to Dying Earth. His style is mainstreamed in his later works from what I've read. It's not as flowery. The story is kind of a picaresque that doesn't bother with magic systems and bullshit like that. Probably why just a few adjectives here and there give a beautiful image of magic, full of wonder and free of technical crap. Wizards just cast instant spells and that's it. The full imaginative freedom of the pulp era.

Wolfe was inspired from the setting, not the writing or the themes themselves.

>>16081956
Can you post a few lines you think are god tier? I tried reading Vance but remember not understanding any of the sentences due to verbosity and dropping it. But I'm an ESL so maybe I got filtered.

>>16081956
>that doesn't bother with magic systems and bullshit like that.
lol Jack Vance is the first writer to actually use a "magic system" in one of his Dying Earth stories. Of course he couldn't have predicted the flood gates he would open decades later. D&D is more to blame for that than Vance though.

>>16081979
I'm ESL as well. You just have to get into his rhythm, to appreciate it. It's hard to find just one beautiful passage, because the whole writing feels entirely magical and immersive once you start getting it.
He also sometimes employs a neat textual trick I found while reading Lyonesse, where he lays and paces the opening and closing dialogue action "tags" (eg "'Dialogue,' HE SAID.", or "HE STARTED, 'dialogue'") in such a way the conversation feels like an actual ping pong. He'll have a few short outbursts without tags, then one character will speak with an opening tag, and the other will respond with a closing tag.

>"You are sauntering along the back streets of Avallon; you step into a tavern for a cup of wine. A great lummox claims that you have molested his wife; he takes up his cutlass and comes at you. So now! With your knife! Draw and throw! All in a single movement! You advance, pull your knife from the villain's neck, wipe it on his sleeve. If in fact you have molested the dead churl's wife, bid her begone! The episode has quite dampened your spirit. But you are attacked from another side by another husband. Quick!"

>"What are your fees?" inquired Guyal cautiously. "I respond to three questions," stated the augur. "For twenty terces I phrase the answer in clear and actionable language; for ten I use the language of cant, which occasionally admits of ambiguity; for five, I speak a parable which you must interpret as you will; and for one terce, I babble in an unknown tongue."

>"I admit to a specialized occupation, which in fact has not so much as acquired a name. Not to put too keen an edge on it, I wait under gallows until the corpse drops, whereupon I assume possession of the clothes and valuables. I find little competition in the field; the work is dull, and I will never become wealthy, but at least it is honest, and I have time to daydream."

>>16082154
That's not too bad but I never found dialogue that hard. It's the other stuff, exposition and description of things.

>>16082035
It's not a magic system in the sense of the Alar bullshit of Name of the Wind, where you have to read 30 pages to get a clear picture just because the writer decided you need to fully understand it.
Nor Sanderson's retarded 4 gems + 2 rubies = x power.
It can be read quickly and fully imagined, like in a roleplaying game, except you're supposed to know the descriptions of the spells, so it's slightly more autistic, less imaginative that way.

I love Jasnah but the narrative talks of her like this was an ecchi manga.

>>16082166
Well, I did say it was his dialogue that was God tier. I didn't find the narrative particularly challenging once I got used to it. Maybe I've been reading English books for longer, and not just crummy prose from genre fiction or the so common unadorned modern style. Reading it out loud might help. Most parts just roll off the tongue.

Take a few simple examples.
>TURJAN SAT in his workroom, legs sprawled out from the stool, back against and elbows on the bench. Across the room was a cage; into this Turjan gazed with rueful vexation. The creature in the cage returned the scrutiny with emotions beyond conjecture.
The part about "back against elbows on the bench" might read awkwardly but its sense is obvious.
Or this:
>Three weeks Ulan Dhor sailed the nerveless ocean. The sun rose bright as blood from the horizon and belled across the sky, and the water was calm, save for the ruffle of the breeze and the twin widening marks of Ulan Dhor's wake.
>Then came the setting, the last sad glance across the world; then purple twilight and the night. The old stars spanned the sky and the wake behind Ulan Dhor shone ghastly white. Then did he watch for heavings of the surface, for he felt greatly alone on the dark face of the ocean.
It's slightly extravagant. Like "watch for heavings of the surface", he's just watching the waves, but that phrase is just that.
The impression I get from his prose is that it all came out naturally. It doesn't feel Baroque or like's he looked into a thesaurus to make it more purple, and if he did, well, he's been quite artful about it.

Does anyone have a monthly releases list? Tor hasn't done august

>>16082576
one of the first posts >>16016991

>>16082616
cheers, I googled that and found who does the original lists (locusmag)

>>16081739
Ever read the cthorr series. 20 fucking years since the last book. Fuck that tribble pedo.

>>16082035
Gygax specifically went with Vance because it was out of the ordinary and he wouldnt be accused of pushing actual witchcraft.

Gonna read a book that has zero reviews on Shamazon. Wish me luck.

>>16081576
This only seems to contain published order and not written order that anon wanted.

>>16082691
Don't do it, anon. The human mind is surprisingly fragile.

>>16082876
The stories in that collection are also edited. The Del Rey collections have the stories completely uncut, in written order, and a ton of extras.

>>16082929
It's a sequel to a book I already read and liked, but I'm surprised it's been out for several years now and still has no reviews on amazon.

>>16082691
Goodgoyreads is the place you check for reviews, not shamazon. Having zero reviews on shamazon doesn't say shit.

>>16082959
Wrong, for reviews you trust the professionals and experts.
https://bookmarks.reviews/
An aggregator of literary critic reviews.

>>16082959
>>16083225
You're both wrong. You trust NO ONE. EVER.

I'm 40 pages away from finishing Hyperion. I have no idea how this doesn't end in a cliffhanger. Anyways, I need to ask one last time, are the sequels really that bad? I've only seen them shat on here.
If I do continue, do I have to read the Endymion books for the whole story or is Fall of Hyperion a solid ending?

>>16083338
Your suspicion is correct. I only read Hyperion and the sequel, and just stopped. The frame narrative is gone, which made it a comfy and mysterious read. The focal point of Fall of Hyperion is pretty boring and I found it to be super pretentious. It also pays too much attention to boring ships and technology. I never bothered with the 2 other sequels, which some have claimed are even worse. Some have also mentioned that there are glaring plot holes and dropped plotlines even if you read the 4 books.

>>16080318
Why does /sffg/ hate things that are influential?

>>16083392
That's unfortunate. I can't leave a story too unfinished. I'm going to have to suffer through at least one sequel.

>>16083225
That site is for pol and outer lit. It's a gatekeeping website, they only review publishing house novels, and the first page is nothing but political memoirs / novels.

>>16083417
The 2 latter sequels take place a few hundred years after the first two iirc, so you could say Hyperion and Fall of... are kind of auto conclusive. It's just that you'll probably not feel very satisfied, not just because the plot meets a dead end.

FUCK, ring worlds has been a disappointment. The know universe books were much much better than it, and now I'm treading thought the latter half of the book just to say I finished it.It brings nothing to the table besides, "look world big" and that as the central point of story is fine but you got to have some other shit going on in order to support the story. Besides that all you get is some shitty alien drama and a centuries old guy fucking a mentally impaired Young girl while acting like a simp.
Please tell me ring world engineers is better or I might just drop this series here.

>>16083464
Read the first book then drop it.

>>16083512
Seems like the best course of action at this point.

>>16083464
Each sequel has an increasing amount of furry orgies.

>>16083523
That's what you do with dune, Hyperion, ring world and rendezvous with rama. You read the first book alone.

I read this book and enjoyed it despite its clumsiness thanks to the settings, anyone got something similar? Or even something good published recently? I'm desperate for something worth reading

>>16083656
What is that? Some chink flying swords series?

>>16083656
https://www.amazon.com/Six-Expressions-Death-Mojo-Mori-ebook/dp/B06XBC8RZT

Recommend me a good short story to read before bed tonight.

>>16083766
For a Breath I Tarry by Zelazny

>>16083766
The Ziggurat - Gene Wolfe

>>16083656
Female protag lol

>>16083766
Sticks by Karl Edward Wagner

Holy fuck boys dune is long I'm scared Im too too ADD to finish this.

>>16084019
It didn't feel that long to me but I was super hooked.

>>16084019
It's Just tone book that's not that long... i mean you are Just treading the first book right?

>>16084022
That what's she said.

>>16084040
Yeah just the first. But I'm getting back into reading haven't read for years so it's a bit bigger of an undertaking than I thought once it arrived

>>16084057
The first step is the hardest. I also just recently got back into reading and if the writing is good you can finish any book easily. Admittedly i didn't like dune, but i got trough the foundation trilogy in 2 weeks.

>>16084043
Girls always lose to the D.
Too many books have girls killing for penis.

>>16084057
Yeah, I hadn't read a book since the fourth Cirque Du Freak and started reading again two years ago with BotNS. It was quite a challenge for me.

>>16083410
Puerile contrarianism.

>>16081531
Redpill me on this “del rey” collection.

>>16082938
What is it gay anon

>>16084198
It's 3 books and they collect not only all the original Conan stories from REH, but they have them in written order and completely unedited. Plus the books have tons of extras and artwork. No other Conan collection comes close to how great these Del Rey books are. Plus Del Rey has other REH collections that are just as good. I own their Conan, Kull, Bran Mak Morn, and Solomon Kane collections and they're all stellar.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074CB1LWY?searchxofy=true&ref_=dbs_s_aps_series_rwt

>>16084262
Thanks anon I’ll check it out.

Also Kek, how’d they edit it, they make Conan a tranny or some gay shit?

>>16084210
It's about Native Americans on an alien fantasy planet.

>>16084274
>Also Kek, how’d they edit it, they make Conan a tranny or some gay shit?
For decades and decades you couldn't read an original Conan story unless it had been edited or even rewritten in some way (the exception being the collection of 3 stories Karl Edward Wagner put out.) Basically the people responsible for keeping Conan popular didn't have any problems with shitting all over Howard's stories to do so. Those Del Rey books are the very first time all of REH's Conan stories had been collected together the way they were originally written.

worth the time?

>>16084319
He's popular among a certain kind of crowd. I can't take him as seriously as he takes himself.

>>16084319
I've only read The City & The City and I would say it was sort of worth the time, I guess

>>16084328
>He's popular among a certain kind of crowd.
We call them trannies, anon.

>>16083850
>>16083656
>female protag
>weeb-setting

disgusting

alright frens, i stopped posting in this itt about two years ago when i stopped being a neet and joined the workforce, what good books have come out since mid-2018? all anyone could talk about in those days was sanderson and wolfe so not much has changed apparently

>>16084399
There haven't been any good new fantasy books for at least five years. Publishing is fucked right now.

>>16084399
Maybe come back in another 20 and we'll have something for you

What's your guys average page per minute on fantasy sci-fi books? Obviously depends on the book but what's your rough estimate

>>16084482
1

>>16084482
why would you autistically time the exact amount of time you take each page of a book?

>>16084184
>if someone didn't like books that I love they are clearly contrarian, because I am the alpha omega of good books and what I like must be good
Kys

>>16084532
>shitting on LotR, Elric, TDE, Conan, John Carter, Gray Mouser

At best you have bad taste

>>16084558
>you must like what i like otherwise you have bad taste

>>16084482
>counting the pages instead of actually reading

>>16084482
2 maybe?
1.5-2?

>>16084589
this
>have kindle
>only look to see where I'm at if it's dragging on or if I think I'm close to the very end or sometimes just where I'm at if it's exceptionally good

>>16084558
>i like book anyone who no like bad taste
>i am taste god follow me taste
kys

>>16084572
It's a bait chart or some faggot's opinions.
Who the fact cares. If you don't read the more classic and influential titles on that list because a jpg told you not to, instead of forming your own opinions, you don't deserve the gift of eyesight.

/sffg/, I want to get back to writing tonight but I'm worried I won't be able to do it.

Is the Prince of Nothing series worth it? Been reading a lot of sci-fi and want another fantasy series to get into.

I like Joe Abercrombie if that's any indication of my taste.

I read Silverberg's "Downward to the Earth", really really liked it. Anyone else read it? What did you think?

>>16084684
Here's the cover, it has elephants on it and a jungle in the back.

>>16084399
Gideon the Ninth, Rage of Dragons, although both are the start of unfinished series. Abercrombie has a new First Law trilogy, same thing.

>>16083225
I immediately looked up Pynchon reviews. I wasn't let down

>>16084674
Up to you.
I read it based on /lit/'s recs and I wanted to gouge out my eyes, in part for how it felt like an edgy YA power fantasy and partly for how terribly cringe the language was. Some anon complained about the "Say one thing about Logen Ninefingers" in Abercrombie. Well, I felt that way for the entirety of the book. I finished it thinking it lacked even an ounce of self awareness. Supposedly the later books show less angst and some character progression, but I'll avoid Mark Lawrence for years to come. As a matter of fact, I'll usually avoid a book if I find that Mark Lawrence reviewed it positively.

>>16084684
Tell us what you liked and disliked about it.
What you thought of it overall.

>>16084674
>I like Joe Abercrombie if that's any indication of my taste.
oof
>>16084684
>Silverberg
yikes

>>16084753
I love sci fi focusing on alien cultures. The themes were comfy, the prose was decent, and the journey was fun. The premise was cool too: human imperial colonialism over a race of sentient primitive aliens.
>>16084882
This is the second time I've gotten a negative reaction to Silverberg here. Do people not like him around here or something? What's the issue?

>>16080318
What are some fantasy books with Pixies/Fairies?

>>16085184
Little, Big
Berserk

>>16085184
Dresden Files

>>16084532
Infantile response.

>>16085184
Lyonesse

>>16085175
>This is the second time I've gotten a negative reaction to Silverberg here. Do people not like him around here or something? What's the issue?
He's a jew.

>>16085175
>This is the second time I've gotten a negative reaction to Silverberg here. Do people not like him around here or something? What's the issue?
I dislike him because he masturbates to juggling.
The people giving you grief are from /pol/.

>>16085249
Yes because saying "Puerile contrarianism" makes you so much more mature.

>>16081576
Read in the order of publication. And that book is listed that way anyway.

>>16085205
>>16085240
>>16085259
Thanks

>>16084670

i just tried to do the same with little success but i also haven't read much recently so im planning to dig into my backlog and hopefully get some inspiration

>>16085325

Puerile response

>>16085398
no u

>>16085446
Based. Got em.

Why is /lit/ so anti chinkshit?

>>16085542
/lit/ is anti everything

>>16085542
cos it sucks

>>16085563
This

>>16085542
I genuinely do not believe mainland china is capable of producing good media. Taiwan and Hong Kong have made some decent stuff, but I've never seen a good book, movie, album, or cartoon come from China.

>>16081904
Guess I'm the first then

>>16085738
They used to before communism.

>keep bringing the games I want to play most every weekend
>"how about we play Codenames or Carcassone again?"
I fucking hate this.

>>16081904
ahem

>>16085993
>Bakker
>great
behave

>>16081629
>so tou think you're better than us
I didn't mean to imply that, sorry. I used to post on sffg all the time, you know.
What I meant was: I don't want to "rehash the same unfunny shit every thread", I'm just passing by, looking for this one thing.

Is the three body problem good?

>>16086125
chart says it is Okay

>>16084019
>>16084057
This is probably not a consensus view, but you can treat the three parts of the first book as three books, really. They all sort of have climactic endings.
Also tip: the book drops neologisms on you all the time, especially at the beginning, without stopping to explain them. Don't be overwhelmed and don't look them up in the glossary at the end every time, just keep reading. Most of them are either going to be explained a few chapters later or can be inferred from context.

>>16086102
>all that shitty grimderp in "Fun"
lol this nigga trollin'

>>16086125
Very good ideas that are explored quite well, kinda mediocre prose (at least in the English translation). Characters aren't that interesting, though they're not really emphasized.
Also it's not really self-contained, as the first book really just introduces the threat. Haven't read the sequels.

If I weren't so lazy I'd make a Sword & Sorcery chart since I'm probably the most knowledgeable anon here about S&S.

>>16081443
>>16081484
>>16081501
>>16081629
>>16086103
btw i found it :)

>>16086145
In case you didn't notice, there are 5 categories. Fun is just fun to read. Books I'd rate 3 or 3.5 out of 5.
They're deliberately vague.

Next version I'll add some symbols or colors to represent if all the the books in a series retains that rating or if there's a decrease or sharp decrease in quality.

Does anyone know of any hard scifi that includes aspects of networking, ie routing/switching etc

>>16086461
Just read an instruction manual if you want that bullshit.

>>16086500
Brainlet

>>16086540
Penislet

>>16084674
Yes it’s worth it. Go read it.

>>16086156
write a list and i'll turn it into a chart

>see book might be interesting
>look into author
>cucked far left shit everywhere I look
Is this impossible to avoid with modern authors?

>>16086703
have you found anything you liked published in the past 10 years?

Is Autumn by David Moody any good?

>>16086703
Avoid mainstream shit for the most part.

>>16084726
Don't listen him, all of those are bad.

>>16084482
Depends on page size, but my words per minute is 230.

>>16085542
If you mean chink YA, it's because this shit is unreadable. /lit/ isn't actually against real literature from China, most of us never read it.

>>16085993
Apart from Heroes Die in fun tier, the whole chart looks like bait.
>>16086102
See above.

>>16086703
Try haremlit, some of it isn't cucked (though some still has whiteknights who claim that rape is worse than murder).

>>16086461
Blindopraxia

>>16085993
Why would one put so much effort into bait?

This book has low reading level but enjoyable. What books do you guys like? They can be guilty pleasures like 2 edgy 4 you stuff

Any sci-fi books that aren't exclusively for homosexual jews and their familiars? I don't need the opposite ideology paraded all over the book, I just want some good sci-fi that operates from the old convictions about what "normal" is rather than being written safely from within the current regimes sponsored ideology of anti-racism and forced diversity.

Some books I love are "Great Sky River" by Gregory Benford, "Armor" by John Steakley, "Day of the Dragonstar" by David Bischoff, and "A Matter for Men" by David Gerrold (literal faggot, but his books are great).

>>16086896
>This book has low reading level
What does it even mean? That it isn't exactly high-brow?

>>16086998
Probably that one's reading comprehension/vocabulary doesn't need to be beyond the average teenager's.

>>16080318
Planescape Torment : Any book with a similar vibe ?

Anybody read any Robert E. Howard biographies/memoirs? Which is the best?

Is there anything similar to Dying Earth? Nothing, not even Wolfe, can compete with it. It has ruined other fantasy for me.

>>16087170
Xothique

>>16087158
Book of the New Sun

>>16087202
Best place to read them? Used copies of the omnibus are expensive. Doesn't seem like I can get it on my Kindle either.

>>16084277
Avatar

>>16087319
His whole Zothique cycle is on YouTube if you don't mind audio books.

Haven't checked the thread in a few years, why tf is there a discord in the op? Fucking trannies, kys.

Is monthly anon still doing his thing?

>>16084184
>>16084558
>>16084637
>>16085249
>>16085398
>>16086102
>>16086145
>>16086800
>>16086881
So anything that doesn't confirm to y'all reality is bait?
>>16085993
>>16083410
If it doesn't praise your favorite book it's bait? If it praises a book you disliked it's bait?

>>16086703
>reading the author instead of their works
hi pol

>>16086703
Have you tried not being crybaby reactionary brainlet?

Should I read "The Stars My Destination" or "Tiger! Tiger!"?

>>16080318
I've read Tolkien, Gene Wolfe, Terry Pratchett and Ursula Le Guin, as well as trash by Patrick Rothfuss, Robert Jordan, Gorge R. R. Martin, Robin Hobb.

Recommend me what.whom to read next. Fantasy, not revolving around political machinations/kingdom and ruler shit.

>>16087878
Robert E. HOWARD

>>16087742
I read Stars recently and liked it a lot, though it got a little esoteric at times.

>>16087885
He's on my list, but I want a novel not short stories at the moment.

>>16085973
Oops, wrong thread.

>>16087878
Chronicles of Amber and Lord of Light by Zelazny
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
Vita Nostra (Translated from Russian but still very good)
Manifest Delusions by Michael R Fletcher
Try something by David Gemmell, he wrote heroic fantasy. If you like one you'll like them all, if you hate it you'll hate all his works. I started with Rigante.

>>16080318
fuck Adare the stupid bitch whore.

>>16088034
Based. Fuck her for never facing the consequences of her own actions

why can't we have these kinds of covers?

>>16088053
This looks awesome and hilarious
>"Come on, man, just give me another week. I'll get the money I swear!"

>>16081622
Yeah, she even may have cooties.
What a moron you should be to judge book by the sex of author.
BTW, this is first time I heard that Bujold is a chick. And I loved Miles books from teenage years

>>16085993
This is actually a really good chart

>>16084674
I already told you last thread to go read it faggot, you didn’t see me making the same stupid ass post every sffg.

>>16088186
Women are incapable of higher abstract and philosophical though. They care only for material shit or dicks.

>>16081199
Gibson's short stories in Burning Chrome
Thin Air by Richard Morgan.

Just finished Hyperion. That ending was wholesome as fuck. I almost don't want to ruin it by reading the sequel.

>>16088527
Me too anon, me too.
Still bought the second book anyway.
What are other books that end like that? Where there is clearly more of the story to tell, but you can stop right there and be satisfied.

>Writes annoying female character
>Chaste boomer doesn't want any of it
>Literally hundreds of pages of this 'look at the non-tension between these two!'
>'So he kissed her'

Shut the fuck up.
Just shut the fuck up. It's so cringe to read.
I can't believe this is touted as a good book, let alone a good series.
Fuck you. You could have gone all the way and not had it but you made 600 pages of content mean utterly fucking nothing.
Bullshit that people enjoy this.

>>16087158
There are literal Planescape books anon
||They're ok||

>>16089263
That isn't how you do spoilers.

>>16089429
tranny think he's on discord.

>>16087170
Expecting everything you read to be as good or better than what you have read before is silly.
Try to enjoy the experience instead of constantly comparing it to what you have read before.

>>16087162
https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Howard-Literary-Biography/dp/1683900979

>>16087170
Clark Ashton Smith. He influenced Vance who then influenced Wolfe.
>>16087319
http://eldritchdark.com/

>>16087334
These Native Americans are literal Native Americans and are not native to this alien fantasy planet.

>>16087587
Can you name a single pozzed writer who also didn't fill their books with pozzed bullshit to some degree? Maybe older writers like Moorcock who kept it somewhat subtle and focused more on story and character, but modern writers? Doubtful.

>>16087878
David Gemmell. Specifically his Drenai series. And don't let the length of the series dissuade you; every book is a self-contained story. You should probably still read them in publishing order though since they do spoil some things that happened in previous books.

>>16088186
>chick anon
Double yikes

this will make libs seethe

>>16084319
I've read Embassytown and can recommend it if you liked Arrival

>>16085175
I've read Tower of Glass, great story but all female characters are described as "huge, hot tits 'n ass" so not most progressive

>>16090136
More like Tower of ASS.

>>16087444
> monthly anon
if you mean the book club, that's in the discord.

>>16089127
which book then?

I read this. I read the whole book in a single day, couldn't put it down. The voice in this book was unlike anything I'd ever read before, at times clashing so absurdly with the events being described that I was unsure how I was supposed to feel. It still managed to have fairly touching emotional moments, but the unique voice had to be toned down to allow these moments to breathe. The way this novel is written should by all rights have yanked me violently out of the story and made it hard to care about anything going on, but it didn't.

This is the most fun I've had with a book in ages.

>>16089127
Do you expect people to just know what you're talking about when you randomly interject your thoughts?

>>16090468
Nice try, Tamsyn Muir.

>>16090468
The sequel's out now

>>16090499
I'm aware. The sequel being posted in an earlier thread this week is what made me pick up the first one. I'm still a little sad about how the first book ended, and not sure about how the series will go onward now, but the preview I read for it in the back of the first book was suitably intriguing so I guess I will be picking it up before long. I don't have much else on my plate to read anyway, besides some more Anthony Ryan books I have on order.

>read Dune expecting a ground to earth sci-fi masterpiece
>by the end of the novel there's an anime little girl teleporting behind the best military force in the universe and telling them "nothing personal, kid"
Funny book, this one

>>16090589
I expected the whole series to be grounded. It got very whacky real quick but it was fun.

>>16090642
Yeah, it was a fun ride. Most of the Bene Gesserit training powers were pulled out of Herbert's ass, like they were cheap solutions for problems that he created himself. Otherwise, it was just as good as I've been told it would be.

>>16090489
lol it could literally be almost any modern epic fantasy. They're all cringe like that.

>>16090783
You don't really read a lot do you? It sounds more like the kind of tripe Joe Abercrombie would write.

>>16090812
What does Joe write, tardo? Modern epic fantasy.

>>16090468
>>16090524
Discord group read of Harrow The Ninth
https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m

thurs aug 13: act 1
fri: act 2
sat: act 3
sun: act 4
break
tues 18: act 5+

>>16088053

Armor is awesome and extremely underrated.

>>16090468
God, Charles Stross is such a fucking faggot.

>>16089949
I've seen Gemmell mentioned here before, but never what makes him good. Any details to get me hooked?

>>16087742
Yes.

>>16091074
He's the perfect writer if you're tired of bloated epic fantasy, but still want to read full length novels. He just wrote solid heroic fantasy and was obviously influenced by based Sword & Sorcery. Don't start reading him though if all you're looking for is more shitty epic fantasy about politics and a gigantic cast of dull characters. If you actually want ADVENTURE in your fantasy and characters with depth then check him out.

>>16091126
The more politics in a book the less I like it.

I will shift my priorities regarding Gemmell then.

>>16091135
Based. Gemmell's pretty unique since starting in the 80s publishers wanted to switch over to fantasy SERIES because Wheel of Time was making so much money and that was epic fantasy so all the fantasy series that started being release were also epic fantasy, but Gemmell went in a different direction. His fantasy is closer to Sword & Sorcery; which had started dying out in the 80s.

Serious question.
I have this problem with reading classics before I actually read them where I feel like there's no way I'll enjoy them or there's no point because there's so much of them in culture already.
Like is Frankenstein a good read? I, Robot? LotR after having seen the movies? So much of other media is built upon them.
I know it's the author's job to drag us headfirst into their world with wonderful writing but in my head if I read Frankenstein all I'm picturing is a bunch of peasants with straw hats and pitchforks wallowing around in mud and fields until it's time to get the monster. And the castle just being dark and spooky, inhabited by almost nobody.
Even Sherlock Holmes. My brain goes, "There's going to be a crime and Sherlock is gonna find the bad guy. The end."
How do I get over this sickness? I even know that I can because I read Treasure Island, by all accounts, if you watched any TV, you know the gist of that story, and yet I love that book. I've read it more than once.

>>16081443
Neat guide.
I always figured it would be a little different to tackle because it's a big deep book.
But it's literally, "Did you hear about Dune? You wanna read Dune? Read Dune."
Gimme a quick spoiler. Do I get a scene where I get to see someone get rotten fucking rich off of Spice because a worm shit in front of him or something?

>>16091684
I don't know how to solve your issue but Frankenstein is a fantastic read and I even watched a movie that adapts it 1 to 1 years before I read it.

>>16091727
Maybe I just needed to hear that a modern anon can still enjoy something so old and "plain" for lack of a better word, though I doubt it's plain because everyone knows about Frankenstein instead of some other work of fantasy. After all, they are still classics for a reason.

>>16091684
The culture is not an alternative to reading, i robot, for example, was a shit movie and the book is a 100 times better, LOTR is a complete different experience.
They are just not the same thing, spoilers might ruin some stories but usually very few film endings even follow the books.

>>16087158
Moorcock's Eternal Champion Cycle, he's all about people being banished to eternal meaningless suffering.
The Scavenger Trilogy
Prince of Nothing
Clark Ashton Smith

>>16091931
I wonder if Amano likes these books or just gets paid to do the art.

>>16087158
Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton

I don't really see an adventure thread.
Got some adventure books without magic? I don't think you'd call D'artagnan's cure all magic, but I think you know what I mean.
I wanna know when a man is stabbed through the lung he's probably dead, or not long after.

I like my protagonists champions, evil advisors slain, queens saved, and princesses bedded.
With or without ships.
It doesn't HAVE to take place in Europe I suppose.

>>16090958
I don't do discord.

>>16080318
Is urban fantasy all trash? I want to write fantasy, but starting with epic fantasy seems like biting off a little more than a new writer can chew. Building an entire believable world sounds hard :(

>>16092091
David Gemmell's Troy trilogy

>>16092091
try guy gavriel key, he does pseudo historical fiction.

>>16092217
I was gonna recommend this guy, but I couldn't remember his name.

>>16092237
>this guy

lol

>>16092237
use this mnemonic: gay gayvriel gay

>>16090410
>>16090489
>>16090783
>>16090812

My own error, it's Way of Simps by Bransand.
Shit sucks.

>>16092260
It do indeed suck..

>>16083759
This sounds great, thanks anon

How is the Lies of Locke Lamora actually ? I've heard very good things about it, but >>16085993 says it's only okay.

>>16092306
Based

>>16091931
How are Eternal Champion and Elric books? I see the Elric ones in some of the recommendation charts and others anons will say it's overrated, but is there any validity with the latter? Are the books at least fun?

>>16087170
viriconium, canticle for leibowitz

>>16092345
No one has ever described Elric as being "fun," but if you are interested you should read the stories in published order. I tried reading them in chronological order (like a retard) and the later stories are nowhere near as good as the earlier stories Moorcock wrote in the 60s. Download or purchase pic related; that book has the earliest (and best) Elric stories. If you like them then obtain the other books in the collection and just keep reading until you no longer like them.

>>16092244
lmoa

>>16092414
I've only read the first 6 or 7, the ones that are shipped as one saga, I believe in chronological order (the one that starts with Elric of Melniboné and ends with Stormbringer).
After the first book, all the sequels were just rogue adventures with a hellish dark twist. Similar formula almost every time. Elric's brooding as if Moorcock was making fun of him, goes on adventure, steals or recovers something and is tricked in the process, or exacts revenge at some point, battle of wits, more brooding at the end because some tragedy took place.
How are they not fun in a pulpy kind of fun?
>>16092311
People who like them are the sort of people who unironically liked the dialogue in Name of the Wind or enjoyed any Brandon Sanderson. Kinda Reddit or slightly YA, if you ask me (though you'd have to leave out the weird and creepy controversies surrounding Scott Lynch for him to be fully Reddit).
They're not exactly deep. The first book is actually the best imo. The second reads like some Pirates of the Caribbean rip-off, the third as if Scott Lynch was so obsessed with House of Cards at the time of writing, he thought it was appropriate for a series with some steampunk elements, pirates and guilds of robbers and stuff. Who the fuck would want to read a book centered around fantasy elections. Idk.
They're short. Just read the first if you're not crazy about it, because they definitely do not get better as they progress.

>>16092414
>reading Elric in published order

>>16092091
Maybe check Lyonesse, GGK as has been mentioned.
If you want some outerlit, check Baudolino by Umberto Eco.

Any heroic fantasy similar to the Worm Ouroboros with larger than life characters?

>>16092704
Are you retarded or just pretending?

>>16092704
>noooo you can't read the series the same way people did back when it was being published!
>you have to use my reddit-approved arbitrary guide that adds absolutely nothing to the experience!

>>16092156
I can tell from this post you don't even have any characters or story and just want to wank over muh world building. Go to /tg/ if you want unproductive idea guy wankery.

>>16093111
It's not even that; writers change over time and someone like Moorcock has been writing a LOOOONG time. He's definitely not the same writer he was when he first started; for better or worse. So it's especially stupid to read Elric in chronological order (regardless of what Moorcock says) because he's STILL writing Elric stories.

I wrote the first paragraph of a fantasy short i' writing for patrice, wanna see it?
I need critique in the matter of grammar and prose.

>>16092156
Yes, most urban fantasy book series feel like rejected scripts for comics and TV

>>16085993
>Enders Game
>Dune
>Shit

New thread
>>16093283
>>16093283
>>16093283

>>16086461
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(novel)
not really
>>16086876
That's not really it either

>>16086994
Owner trilogy by Asher is kind of anti liberal cause it's against a globalist socialist tyranny one world govt but doesn't deal with race per se
Hill of Ravens takes place in the 22nd century and is basically Nazi separatist larp porn but even though it's the first in the trilogy by date of publishing I would start with The Brigade which takes place in modern times and read the other ones in story chronological order if you still want to after , Ravens being the last
The Domination of the Draka is more alternate history which eventually goes into the future . Although outwardly fascist (a Sparta like ethnostate of whites in south africa but like master race super men takes over the world and enslaves everyone) they're not racialist per se, they take the best and the brightest, and are pretty sexually liberal too. I would still recommend reading it just cause it's just so over the top

>>16093392
Also the Brigade series is free on the Covington book site

>>16091951
You can commission him. Just go to his website. unlikely he reads all this shit. author probably gave him some descriptions and a translator told him and he went with it

>>16093004
The Worm Ouroboros stands on its own
You could read the other books

>>16081186
Yeah The Expanse is a fun read. I'm on book 3 and I mostly kill time at work with it.

It stops being a detective story after the 1st book though and becomes more about the characters dealing with said detective story and its consequences.

>>16094141
It gets really boring . gay melodrama the whole time , jumping from character to characters about their problems

>>16094168
Book 2 suffered a lot from that yeah. Does the melodrama BS pick back up again later?

>>16094210
Yes

>>16091719
>Do I get a scene where I get to see someone get rotten fucking rich off of Spice because a worm shit in front of him or something?
no