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>"God lets the oppositional will of the ground operate in order that might be which love unifies and subordinates itself to for the glorification of the Absolute. The will of love stands about the will of the ground and this predominance, this eternal decidedness, the love for itself as the essence of being in general, this decidedness is the innermost core of absolute freedom."
>"Philosophy will not be able to effect an immediate transformation of the present condition of the world. This is not only true of philosophy, but of all merely human thought and endeavor. Only a god can save us. The sole possibility that is left for us is to prepare a sort of readiness, through thinking and poeticizing, for the appearance of the god or for the absence of the god in the time of foundering [Untergang] for in the face of the god who is absent, we founder. Only a God Can Save Us."
>"For us contemporaries the greatness of what is to be thought is too great. Perhaps we might bring ourselves to build a narrow and not far reaching footpath as a passageway."'
>"God has always been with me."

Was he a Christian?

>> No.16078051

>>16077966
>God lets the oppositional will of the ground operate in order that might be which love unifies and subordinates itself to for the glorification of the Absolute.
I had this same thought before and concluded that it was just wishful thinking.

>> No.16078057

Sound like a buncha gobble there partner!

Yihaaaaa!

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>> No.16078100

>>16078051
How is Love ever wishful thinking?

>> No.16078193

Where are these from?

>> No.16078206

>>16078193
In part his essay on Shelling's Inquires into Human Freedom(the first) as well as an interview he gave a few years before his death only to be released after he died because of the storm he knew it would cause, him speaking about God and such(the rest). It was published a few weeks after his death.

>> No.16079018

>>16077966
Sounds like a convoluted plaigarism of Paul's epistles. Are the rest of his works this dense and without substance? Why did he allow his wife to cuck him?

>> No.16079020

>>16078206
Searched for this interview on youtube before but only got the one where he talks with the Buddhist monk. Mind sending a link if you have it?

>> No.16079021

>>16079018
Philosophy has always been plagiarism of religion and mysticism, with more "scientific" language

>> No.16079027

>>16079018
And which epistles and which verses did he plagiarize, anon?

>> No.16079061

>>16079020
It's not a video interview.
It was an interview given to the magazine Der Spiegel. Full text is here:
http://www.ditext.com/heidegger/interview.html

>> No.16079076

>>16079020
The first essay on Schelling is not the most well known but is fairly well known to any Heideggerian who is aware of the more behind the scenes large influence that Schelling had on him, rather than just Hegel. That person would also know the large personal influence medieval Catholic Theology had on him and his philosophy. Just search up "Heidegger on Schelling's inquiry on human freedom", it talks about Heidegger's lectures on it on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_Inquiries_into_the_Essence_of_Human_Freedom . And as far as that interview published after his death it is quite infamous and controversial to many, see "heidegger interview der spiegel".

>>16079018
It's only difficult for you to understand because you aren't familiar with his philosophy, and for example how Plato's Timaeus is FAR closer to what Heidegger is saying here than Paul's Epistles.

>> No.16079403

>>16079061
thanks anon

>> No.16079420

>>16078051
can you explain that part

>> No.16079426

>>16079018
>>16078057
idk sounds like the god as an axiomatic entity in the vain of hegel rather than specifically denominational.

>> No.16079434

Interesting

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>>16077966
Sounds like he is talking about a future god that we need to prepare for, not the Christian god. Could it be Wotan?
>http://www.philosopher.eu/others-writings/essay-on-wotan-w-nietzsche-c-g-jung/

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>>16079452
>analysing Heidegger speaking about God through a symbolic-subjectivist Jungian perspective

>> No.16079485

>>16079452
>>16079474
Oh and I should also say, Heidegger got Catholic rites a few months before his death, and his statement "God has always been with me" as in since his Jesuit Catholic youth, and this conception even through his reading of Nietzsche when he stated "Nietzsche broke me", and his own individual formalisation of a philosophy. And move to a more "metaphysical" direction in the understanding of being. So it is far closer to the conception of the Christian God and it seems to him that it is nothing other than the Christian God, in its truer form. It's most definitely not the Pagan Gods of Wotan or Zeus, or a demiurge, or a Krishna or such.

>> No.16079662

>>16077966
Earlier in life and as pointed out at >>16079485 he took last rites, but as of this interview? It's just an expression for the dispensation of Beyng. Only a new dispensation of Beyng would save us from the problems he talks about in The Thing and The Question Concerning Technology.

>> No.16079791

>>16079662
He's obviously against a theology, he says so himself(for specific reasons), but I mean he actually organised Catholic rites a few months before his death. It shows if not a return to what he believes to be the Truth of his Faith, then a continual believing in it where "God has always been with me."

>> No.16079818

>>16077966
>God lets the oppositional will of the ground operate in order that might be which love unifies and subordinates itself to for the glorification of the Absolute
This sentence literally does not make sense

>> No.16079830

>>16079485
Yeah it makes sense that Heidegger would be Christian when his whole philosophy is just paraphrased Kierkegaard

>> No.16079835

>>16079818
It's syntax all follows logically, though it is a translation and in peculiar use of English it still makes sense in its wording and order.

>> No.16079842

>>16079830
>his whole philosophy is just paraphrased Kierkegaard
Is this really true? What about "muh being"?

>> No.16079889

>>16079791
He's not so much against theology as using it while pretending it's ontology.

>> No.16079901

>>16079889
Didn't he speak about being against some "dento-theology" or some thing like that?

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>Fritz Heidegger (born February 6, 1894 in Meßkirch ; † June 26, 1980 ) was a German banker. At the time, he was considered the best expert on the writings of his five-year-old brother, the philosopher Martin Heidegger , and transcribed all the texts published during his brother's lifetime from his hard-to-read manuscripts into appropriate typescripts . [1] In addition, he himself also was active as a writer.


>Fritz Heidegger was the youngest son of the master cooper and mesmer Friedrich Heidegger and his wife Johanna.
>As part of his school education, he attended the then Archbishop's Konvikt in Konstanz on Lake Constance (today: Heinrich-Suso-Gymnasium ) for three years , but left it because of a language problem . He completed an apprenticeship in banking in Berlin . In 1922 he returned to Messkirch; until his retirement he was employed by the local Volksbank. [2]
>Although Fritz Heidegger, who was intellectually on a par with his brother Martin, [1] could not take up the desired profession of clergyman, he was an authority on religious matters for Martin. For the philosopher, the transcription of his manuscripts by his brother Fritz was "more than the production of copies, because it required something else: namely, incorporation into trains of thought that were still unknown and inaccessible to the scientific world and experts of the time." [3 ] During the Second World War , Fritz Heidegger kept his brother's manuscripts in a bank vault, [4] after the war he often accompanied him to philosophical symposia .[2]
>Fritz Heidegger was considered a well-known original , his famous brother Martin, on the other hand, was the "brother of Fritz" in his home town. [4] When Fritz was able to scoff, he spoke without hesitation, but when he became “serious”, “Heidegger's existence” turned into “there-there-being”. [4] He was "famous and notorious for his carnival speeches", [1] [5] in which he warned of "brown one hundred percent" and in 1934 prophesied that "World War II" would break out "in a few years". [6] His speeches were stylistically similar to the sermons and pulpit speeches of the Augustinian monk Abraham a Sancta Clara from Kreenheinstetten near Meßkirch .[2] Fritz Heidegger's “idiosyncratic language creations” and the “Socratic subversive of the carnival speeches” did not stop at his brother's philosophy. [5]
>Fritz Heidegger's works include a carnival game and speeches from 1934, 1937 and 1948. [2] In 2005, a double biography about the Heidegger brothers was published under the title Martin and Fritz Heidegger. Philosophy and Carnival , written by the Berlin literary scholar Hans Dieter Zimmermann .
>In autumn 2014 it was announced that the German Literature Archive Marbach had acquired 572 previously unpublished letters and 36 postcards from the correspondence between Fritz Heidegger and his brother.

>"Martin couldn't be used for anything clever, he just became a philosopher."

Badly translated. But Interesting.

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>>16079968
I miss him so much.

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>>16079993
He's like an anime character, reminds me of Porco Rosso.

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>>16080030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9SL-mZtVY

See you Space Cowboy.

>> No.16081702

>>16077966
bump.

>> No.16081960

>>16077966
He was a pathetic Christian larper like Jung, Nietzsche would have spat in both their faces.

>> No.16081976

>>16081960
You obviously have read neither, except for the Op and similar categorisations.

>> No.16082636

>>16081960

There's a huge difference between the early phenomenological/deconstructionist Heidegger and the more mystical late Heidegger who rather trying to complete a philosophical system turns to poetry. Nietzsche would have liked the late Heidegger more than the early.

>> No.16083486

>>16077966
>in order that might be which
What

>> No.16083532

>>16079830
>his whole philosophy is just paraphrased Kierkegaard

braindead

>> No.16083564

>old man turns to religion as he nears death

what's the story here exactly? His philosophy is atheistic, and he only briefly supported nazism due to its anti-Vatican stance. That he regressed into his childhood Catholicism at the end only demonstrates the power of the Church. The overwhelming power and reach of the Catholic church makes you doubt as death closes in.

>> No.16083659

>>16083486
my parsing is that the oppositional will of the ground is in existence by God-will and as such Love is the unification of oppositions as a subordination before the Absolute?

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>>16079901
>dento