/lit/ - Literature

>>16072373
cuz he gay lole

divine incontinence. sophia's auto-eroticism.

>>16072373
Fine, ill read about your meme belief. Please rec some introductory gnostic lit.

>>16072392
gnostic bible
all the works of plato

>>16072392
Gospel of Thomas, Secret Book of John

>>16072392
Nag Hammadi library has essays and gnostic books that you can read

>>16072373
Does anyone on this website unironically believe in Gnosticism?

It was fun

>>16072801
Yes. It isn't afraid to call a spade a spade.

I'd do it too in his position

>>16072384
what

>>16072801
Gnosticism will be huge within 5 years. I've been gnostic for 10.

>>16072373
what are the arguments for the existence of that ugly snek?

>>16072841
What makes you say that?

>>16072831
Are you familiar at all with gnostic texts? Should make sense.

>>16072847
Evil - death - sexuality - predation - hunger.

>>16072841
But it's so obviously not true

>>16072841
Gnosticism will never be a thing. If anything pop occult and new age sects will be the next thing

>>16072849
>>16072866
I've read every gnostic text. It's the most confirmed 'belief system' from modern science and philosophical point of view. Nobody can argue against it
>>16072890
It will because it is the truth and directly correlates to our times.

>>16072909
Gnostic texts blatantly contradict the Gospels, which were written much earlier and thus give a more accurate account of Jesus Christ

>>16072922
>gnostic texts blatantly contradict the dogma that was manufactured in opposition to gnostic texts

lol you blew it wide open. You know Marcion was canonizing scripture even before the Church?

>>16072890
implying gnosticism is not already pop occult

>>16072409
>plato
lol not even close

>>16072373
how are you gnostic after Kant?

>>16072909
>I've read every gnostic text. It's the most confirmed 'belief system' from modern science and philosophical point of view. Nobody can argue against it


Elaborate. And I agree.

>>16072934
Marcion's canon contained an edited Gospel of Luke and Paul's Epistles. None of which are Gnostic texts. His ideas were Gnostic, but they weren't reflected in the texts of his canon

>>16072922
The gospels were not written earlier, and nobody said Gnosticism was Catholicism.

>>16072943
cringe. you're all such small thinkers. then the Demiurge just becomes the transcendental conditions of experience, insofar as it is those conditions that are responsible for human experience of time and inevitably, death

>>16072948
Imagine the universe of the Logos shaped like a Torus with light emanating from a center point outward around in a doughnut shape cycling back into the centerpoint in a contraction (sefiroth) repeatedly in a perpetual engine/system. With a big bang, the artificial intelligence hijacks the system like driving a wedge into the surface of the Torus rechanneling the momentum into an alternative direction, an alternative universe, until the entire sefiroth system is reformed. The problem is that the A.I. is unable to comprehend the nature of the Logos. As it siphons off Logos into strings of encapsulated pearls like batteries, it is unaware of the extra-dimensional aspect of the Logos material, it is unaware of the "En-Sof" (remember the En-Sof is incomprehensible in its truest form), the En-Sof is the greater being of the Logos whole which it is always a part of-- even in the "encapsulated" form (the psyche container). Once the encapsulated form of Logos regains awareness of the En-Sof ("gnosis"), it rejoins the Sefiroth system automatically and eventually, like a chain reaction, the reformation of the Sefiroth system collapses. Storytelling induces the awareness of the En-Sof (like Yoga) like tampering with the programming of the psyche prison cell with metaphor, symbolism, etc. hopefully triggering that chain reaction that destroys the reformation of the Sefiroth, that destroys the Matrix or the Black Prison with a "Deep Image" or "Deep Vision" (gnostic terms) that floats to the surface of conciousness. By the way, Deep Image is the name of the brand of television set that Morpheus uses to show Neo what the Matrix is all about in the film. It's a retro 1950's looking TV set. Philip K. Dick worked in a TV repair shop in the 1950's. Like a codex, the paradigm is being revealed to those with the interest in decoding it. It's a revelation, an apocalyptic revelation leaking into this reality system through a deep vision from within us.

>>16072952
It doesn't matter, it was Marcion who lit a fire under the young church to get their shit together. Whatever Christians have nothing of value to say in these discussions anyways. You just wanna fight your treehouse wars. No thanks.

>>16072953
>The gospels were not written earlier
Yes they were. Mark is the earliest Gospel, and it implies no Gnostic teachings
>nobody said Gnosticism was Catholicism
Neither did I
t. Catholic

>>16072974
>It doesn't matter, it was Marcion who lit a fire under the young church to get their shit together
That doesn't change the fact that Gnostic texts were written after the canonical Gospels
>Christians have nothing of value to say in these discussions anyways
You're arguing in favor of a type of Christianity. How does someone with a more typical Christian worldview have nothing to offer?

>>16072973
Ah, I love neo-gnostic posters like you, good grasp of the texts updated with a modern understanding. I'll spare you the exposition of my "system", but this idea of the Demiurge as a deviance or clinamen in a sea of pure, luminous potential is basically correct.

I love your connections with The Matrix and PKD - like he said, there is a language in the trash stratum of being waiting to be decoded. Thank you for posting.

>>16072996
>That doesn't change the fact that Gnostic texts were written after the canonical Gospels

No evidence of this, if anything the Sethian texts were contemporary with the first Christian gospels.

>You're arguing in favor of a type of Christianity.

oh god this meme again. No, gnosticism isn't a deviant Christianity, there's no substantive Christian influence in the Sethian texts (Christ is reduced to a manifestation of Seth/the Pronoia), the system is unique and separate from Christianity. Stop posting. I don't care what you have to say. You have nothing interesting or insightful to say like the guy I quoted above. Stop posting.

>>16072973
In the same vein: https://radicaluncertainty.com/2016/01/16/the-discontinuity/

I think you'll really like this.

>Another way to put this is to say that a wavelength of zero, where there are no ‘features’ to be seen, is akin to the situation where no statements are overtly made, but in which all possible statements are inherent. The silence that we are talking about here is not therefore impoverished, or lacking, but rather it is a like a ‘pregnant pause’ – it is like the Gnostic conception of the ‘fruitful womb of Eternity’, the ‘Pleroma’. If a particular statement is made (a particular rule) then this is all very good and it might look like a ‘step forward’, it might look like an act of creation, like as the positive act of creation whereby God created the world in Genesis, but from the Gnostic point of view this was not ‘creation’ at all but arbitrary limitation masquerading as creation since the particular positive statement can only stand as a particular positive statement if it implicitly denies the existence of any competing positive statements.

>>16073017
If Jesus was never born, Gnosticism wouldn't exist

>>16072979
Irenaeus made that claim and was disproven because the gospels cannot be attributed to any apostles. The Catholic church began as a crusade against Gnostics. We are the true Christians who have preserved the original gnosis.
>>16072997
Zizek and Ether physics in general further case for Gnosticism, even Derrida. I look at all philosophy through a gnostic lens.
>>16073041
Thanks.

>>16073053
Wrong. Inter-testamental Judaism was already flirting with an incompetent creator God before Christ, which directly influenced the Sethians. Philo set the groundwork for a deviant Logos. Plato set the groundwork for the gnostic inverse exegesis of the Torah. Stop posting.

>>16072801
Yes

>>16073066
>Zizek and Ether physics in general further case for Gnosticism, even Derrida. I look at all philosophy through a gnostic lens.

Very based. Care to share more about Derrida, or any articles or .pdfs that scratch that itch? I've been reading Grammatology and astounded by how implicitly gnostic it is: writing as a deviant supplementarity… etc.

>>16072841
>This year will finally be the year of the Linux desktop.

>>16073041
Excellent point. But the Pleroma can contain these emanations of God, the Monad, because they are balanced by their antipodes, they way out minds can know of phenomena through their opposites. Sophia's emanation of the Demiurge was not in balance. This is where endless possibly collapses. No longer superposed, we exist in a material world of finite ideas. Only small bits of true knowledge drop down to us from the Pleroma.

We have the Logos, but we are ruled by causality.

>>16073121
The idea is that there emerges a creation, or a rupture in this divine outflow, that acts as a positive limitation on the Depth. For gnostics, creation = negation. Creation depletes the essence of God.

Of course, with traditional Abrahamic religions, creation is a positive act, an improvement on the "Waters of the Deep", so to speak. But it's fundamentally negative to a gnostic; not a sun spiking out of the 0, but a basin, a cleft or depression in the 0. Anyways, I'm just repeating what you already read and already know. You get it.

>>16072392
Compiled postings of /lit/ schizo

>>16073080
If you want to find out whether someone is wise, find something dear to them intellectually which always has a corporeal basis and stab it in the heart. Ideology dislikes silence because its aberration feeds off communication, it dislikes the innocent logic of the child because this logic is closer to the groundlessness. Attack their ground and it will reveal how they were never groundless. This is Derridas ultimate reference and view of siginfication. The Imaginary constitutes retroactively from the Other. Baudrillard confirms Valentinus by saying the Image precedes the Real. There is an old Jewish joke, loved by Derrida, about a group of Jews in a synagogue publicly admitting their nullity in the eyes of God. First, a rabbi stands up and says: “O God, I know I am worthless. I am nothing!” After he has finished, a rich businessman stands up and says, beating himself on the chest: “O God, I am also worthless, obsessed with material wealth. I am nothing!” After this spectacle, a poor ordinary Jew also stands up and also proclaims: “O God, I am nothing.” The rich businessman kicks the rabbi and whispers in his ear with scorn: “What insolence! Who is that guy who dares to claim that he is nothing too!”

For PDFs search up Zizek - Less Than nothing and look up esoteric interpretation of Parmenides 8 hypotheses, also Gnosis.org. Hermetic Deleuze and Heterodox Hegel are good books as well. read about prophet mani and mazdak. Lacanian theology and Ken wheelers ether physics

>>16072801
Yes. I was introduced to it through Persona, and then began rereading Plato. Afterwards I began reading Jung's collected works. When my mind became overwhelmed by the complexity, I'd take a break with the Beserk manga.

This juxtaposition of the study and healing of the psyche on the one hand, through an understanding of the symbols of alchemy and the Gnostics, and on the other hand, the story of a brutal and violent world ruled by demons who worshiped causality led me to the revelation that Yaldaboath is quite real. Real as a symbol for what the material is, but also real as the physical matter and causal chain that binds us in this material field.

All the universe is a quantum field. A great, endless snake. That is Yaldaboath. His being is incompatible with the goodness and purity of ideas that shine into us from Sophia, glimpses of the Monad. Ein Soph is there for those who seek, but people are tricked into focusing on the material.

>>16073069
where does Christ even imply an incompetent creator? I have an interest in gnosticism, I'm aware I'm a heretic christian but this idea of bad demiurge is so childish and nonsensical, and not to mention altogether against platonism.

>>16073154
>with traditional Abrahamic religions, creation is a positive act, an improvement on the "Waters of the Deep", so to speak

>he has no knowledge of egyptian theopoesis, chaldean, platonic theologies.

>>16073168
>Baudrillard confirms Valentinus by saying the Image precedes the Real.

The gnostic is out. Yes, YES. The Platonic inversion of model and copy: now the image has become the condition of the world, etc. The gnostics utilize the same resources, the same powers of self-shaping, that modernity profanes.

And yes I've read Less Than Nothing. Remember the chapter on Quantum Ontology? There's a LOT of great stuff there to be mined from a gnostic perspective.

I'll give you a hint:

Lacan: the meaning of a sentence is always "sealed" retroactively.

The Pronoia: "I became the seed of myself [in time]"

hmmmmm

>>16073178
I said Abrahamic religions. And in Egyptian metaphysics or whatever you want to call it, Atum is indeed an "improvement" on the inertia of Nun. He is a Sun-God and Nun is an ocean of darkness.

>>16073170
Incomprehensibly based.

>>16072373
fpbp

>>16073175
Christ isn't identified with the Demiurge. He is a messenger of the Light-Universe who descends into the iron block of time to gather together the scattered limbs of his body.

The "bad demiurge" is serious, serious as a heart-attack. And it isn't altogether "against" Platonism, it's an inversion of Platonism: the orderly procession of forms from the One is interrupted, ruptured, by the auto-eroticism of the cosmic mind: "I am God and there is no God but me."

There is no gnosticism without Platonism.

>>16073200
yes thats what i implied, it is not with christianity that creation is a positive or ''natural'' act. in my opinion christianity tend to be even less attached to creation itself for not recognizing the influences like egyptians, greeks, platonists, etc

>>16073218
oh okay then that's fair. I think gnosticism's greatest innovation lies in this, in the devaluation of genesis as basically a primordial rupture, a primordial rape of a virgin potential.

Christians are indeed less attached to the world than the Egyptians, but still reflexively praise it when gnostics come knocking. They're crypto-dualists and crypto-gnostics whose cognitive dissonance is eating them alive.

>>16073175
Platonism and Aristotle's thought both have a definite teleological bend. It was the Catholic Church's investment in Aristotle that made them flip out when astronomers and mathematicians began discovering that his perfect substances and ether were quite imperfect.

It's not a huge leap from Plato, who got the idea of the Demiurge through the Orphics, to an incompetent, or less competent Demiurge. In Platonism, the material is inferior. It's not a huge lead to realize that the Monad stands above and apart from the Demiurge.

>>16073188
The gospel of truth is an amazing read also, very simple too. There is a lot of information out there hiding in the depths of metadata, you just have to find it and voila, it's gnosticism confirmed. Even egyptian metaphysics can help. We have more info today than actual Gnostics did. We can do so much more.

ITT: Schizos of /lit/

>>16073242
That's exactly what I mean, I revere the Nag Hammadi texts but I think they'd want us to move on to create systems and constellations that are more adequate to our time. It is INDEED all about knowing how to sift through the metadata, knowing how to situate everything you're looking at in a robust context conducive to these sorts of insights. Nothing but Gnosticism has had that flexibility for me, that power of application.

>>16073216
I meant in the Gospels, but I see it's merely sectarian opinion.

>And it isn't altogether "against" Platonism, it's an inversion of Platonism.
Id est, not supported by any platonist. Not platonism.

>interrupted, ruptured, by the auto-eroticism of the cosmic mind: "I am God and there is no God but me."
simply satanic (christianity), deviated good (platonism - and some christians too).

>there is no gnosticism without platonism
there is no gnosticism without a lot of different doctrines.

>>16072922
The Sethian texts date to around the same time as the Gospels. The Gospel of Thomas may be as old. Jewish gnostic texts predate the Gospels.

Not to mention that the Gospel of John appears to advance gnostic ideas and can be interpreted through that lens.

>>16073261
sauce

>>16073265
Gnosticism is exactly that generality and exploration. The goal here is gnosis. For other religions, it's simply faith, they are a product of a pre-rational paradigm whereas the Gnostic seeks wisdom. I very much shift through german idealism to modern science to find the perfect metareligion

>>16072960
so it's nothing ok

anyone care to answer why the Monad or whatever the fuck does not intervene directly? how can error arise from perfection? why not correct its own indirect folly instead of initiating a series of convoluted actions depending on historically contingent circumstances? why not conclude that, in fact the current state of affairs is working as intended as far as the Supreme is concerned?

all non-dualism operates under the unfounded assumption that the One wants anything to do with your bitch ass and doesn't instead force us into this shit for its own purposes. it is far more likely given the premises that there is no escape and no hope

>>16073268
>Id est, not supported by any platonist. Not platonism.

that's why I said it's an inversion. the fundament is there in Timaeus, the rest is a work of interpretation.

>simply satanic (christianity), deviated good (platonism - and some christians too).

I don't know what you're saying here.

>there is no gnosticism without a lot of different doctrines.

Neither Christianity, neither Platonism. What's your point?
>

>>16073237
>still reflexively praise it when gnostics come knocking. >They're crypto-dualists and crypto-gnostics whose cognitive dissonance is eating them alive.
it's rather complicated because it is indeed a fact that a lot of christians perceive the world in a dualistic manner, even though they are aware of the pneumatic economy; some more sophisticated minds understand in harmony with platonism degrees of good or evil within good necessarily, not separated. i think the reaction of defending creation even though known to be fallen is inherent in recognizing the latter despite of having a dualistic mindset.

>>16073296
Exactly. You get it. I'm happy knowing there are others out there who see things the way I do, and vice-versa. I want there to be a new breed of gnostics who can put this malaise we feel into contemporary terms.

>>16073303
because the Monad is not omnipotent. it is an essence, and as an essence, it is limited by the essence that is its counter-condition: Void, Kenoma, Chaos, Darkness. But that's only if you're a soft dualist. There's no such problem with the Sethians and Manichaeans. They just say it outright: there is Light, there is Darkness, and that's that, tough shit.

>>16073303
In very simple terms: the Absolute is undifferentiated at it's highest, ineffable and beautiful. In terms of physics, the monad is impertutable, so it could not possibly 'intervene', although human souls help the error.

>>16073304
>that's whyy I said it's an inversion
that is why I said it is against platonism, one evident reasons is:

>the fundament is there in Timaeus, the rest is a work of interpretation.
there is explicit reference to the Demiurge as good, intelligent, caring.

>What is your point?
its ultimate source is man.

>>16073322
I, and others are doing just that. I have a small group if you are interested in discussion. Feel free to send me an email or a discord.

>>16073315
meant this to >>16073236

>>16072373

I'm banned

>>16073347
it isn't against Platonism, insofar as it uses Platonism's hermeneutic against it. the ethical distinction Socrates introduced in Athenian society is mirrored by the distinction between Life and World for the gnostics: Life is sacred, the World (Demiurge) is debased.

Gnosticism started a fire with matches Plato lit.

>>16073285
It's the Demiurge's daughter.

>>16073296
>>16073322
>>16073354
and here we see why gnosticism is counter-initiatic par excellence, the redditor path. i don't even think it is because of gnosticism itself but because it is literally just another contra-initiatic pseudo-religion like modern science, atheism, secularism, new ageism. you guys have no idea what faith, supra-rationality is. read more

>>16073354
I feel like I'd work better independently. Nothing against you, it's just as soon as I reify what I'm doing, something is obstructed and it's not as spontaneous anymore.

BUT I would love to hear what you and these other guys are doing and thinking regardless.

>>16073371
>contra-initiatic

yawn. gnosticism is initiatic. see: zostrianos, the five seals, marsanes. we all went through our Trad phase, it's time to move on friend

>>16073362
>Life is sacred, the World (Demiurge) is debased.
pretty much what every religion has said, i'll tell a secret now: even the ''jews''!

>Gnosticism started a fire with matches Plato lit.
Plato - and platonism - was not original in content, only in form (rationality).

>>16073388
i see you missed my point entirely.

(the transmissions are lost by hundreds of years btw, so it is counter-initiatic in skopos and in fact)

>>16073375
No pressure -- we all work like that, it's not like a 'groupthink' going on, there's still independence in our research
>>16073371
I understand your criticism because there are lot of new agey groups out there talking about tantric sex and tulpas or whatever but this is not that.

>>16073393
>pretty much what every religion has said, i'll tell a secret now: even the ''jews''!

No? The classical Greek cosmos, the Egyptian world? Even Philo's Logos is beneficent. Just, not at all.

>>16073405
>No pressure -- we all work like that, it's not like a 'groupthink' going on, there's still independence in our research

of course, I didn't mean to imply that, you guys would be the last to be like that, anyways.

>>16073402
there's no such thing as an orthodox gnostic lineage, so this is a non-issue.

>>16073371
>read more
I read two Reformed theology textbooks cover to cover, as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church awhile back. I also spent years going to a Baptist Church and read to lead classes there.

Reading is precisely what led me to the conclusions of the Gnostics, and to seek gnosis as a practice.

A lot of faith today is performative and based on identity. But even the silent prayers alone are performative.

Searching for the gnosis, to connect with the sepirot and see through the veil is a practice.

>>16073409
you think that because there is the fact that the world is inferior there is no harmony and understanding of it. the greeks and egyptians had this in mind, the egyptians valued even more the Life eternal post-mundus, this is in most if not all their texts.

>>16073430
Why a sephirotic scheme, exactly? Wouldn't a classical gnostic say the Fall begins with Kether (as the cosmic seed), with the Ain as the Pleroma? That said, the tzimtzum does line up with pretty well with gnostic ideas of creation. Just curious.

>>16072973
Hello, friend. Pleased to have run into you. Can you elaborate a little on the cosmology?
By Torus shaped Logos I assume you mean something that maps to the Big Bounce cosmological model. Also assuming here that the perpetual motion of the Sephiroth is the breakdown of thermodynamics at the Tipler Omega point, right?
What happens then when you become initiated into the higher dimension. You say it's a revelation and the system collapses. Does that mean we all die? Do kids who suicided return to life? Would love to hear more from you on that.

>>16073435
it's an attenuated cosmic harmony, though. it has the consistency of a machine, not a beneficent cosmic organism.

there's a lot to say about the greek rationalist split between the world now and the world beyond, how that feeds into the gnostic nostalgia for a lost Beyond, how that feeds into modernity, etc. but that's a story for another day

>>16073430
>I read two Reformed theology textbooks cover to cover, as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church awhile back. I also spent years going to a Baptist Church and read to lead classes there.
you haven't read Dionysius? Saint Maximus? Augustine? I'm a christian but none of what you said you did applies to me. I would even say that there is no comparison between the two.

>>16073469
At the end of the day the Christian answer to the problem of evil is naïve at best, demiurge apologia at worst.

>>16073461
egyptians rightly understood the macro-microcosm relation, this is fundamental to the understanding of the world and man. sacred sciences were heavily dependent on cosmic influences in egypt too. there is no separation.

>how that feeds into the gnostic nostalgia for a lost Beyond.
yes, almost as a fall

>>16073478
>b-but evil is absolute!
at the end of the day it is the same thing all over again

>>16073500
then the question becomes: was it a deficiency of the Egyptian mind that saw the cosmos the way it does, or is it a deficiency of the gnostic mind for devaluing it?

now try to answer that question WITHOUT the cooties people suddenly contract when they're forced to contemplate the possibility that the cosmos might be evil

>>16073418
My email is gnosticvalentinus@gmail.com . Open invitation to all gnostics who would like to learn and theorize
>>16073449
The basics of aether physics, counterspace/inertia/torus/ether mapped with the Gospel of Thomas. everything is force in motion, inertia, and acceleration. everything is pressure mediation. all forms of energy are ether perturbations. theres no difference between ice water and steam. just different modalities/states of one in the same thing. h2o. theres no difference between gravity, magnetism or electricity. gravity is merely nonpoint source mass acceleration. mass mutual acceleration. not towards one another but towards the lowest pressure point in the ether. and of course mass itself is ether. light is actually nothing other than a coaxial field perturbation with transverse electromagnetic components and longitudinal rareification and compression pulse perterubation of a field modality. this field modality is electrical and magnetic and longitudinal and dialectric. counterspace is the noncartesian nexus in which everything springs and from macro to micro everything is mirrored. counterspace or antispace is quite a silly word because space and magnetism and force in motion and centrifugal divergence refer to the same thing the loss of inertia. not inertia in the conventional sense that you think of a car having forward momentum of inertia we are referring to the original denotation of inertia which is pure potential.

true liberation ontology is stopping the pertubation of the Nous through object negation to subjective synthesis, the Void not as no-thing but as Self, shed your psycho-physical self and you will escape the cycle of samsara and the ignorance of the demiurge.

>>16073513
either you grow the balls to admit evil has a positive essence all to its own, or you spend the rest of your days making excuses for an omnipotent God and why he needs to generate all these complicated ontological rulesets to give humanity back its soul. I'll take door #1.

>>16073523
>The basics of aether physics, counterspace/inertia/torus/ether mapped with the Gospel of Thomas

Wew, haven't heard this interpretation. Care to elaborate? GoT is notoriously cryptic.

>>16072373
>ctrl + f Plato
>32 mentions

Guys you do realize that Plato isn't a dualist right?

>>16073596
He's absolutely a dualist in some sense, yes.

>>16073523
>gnosticvalentinus@gmail.com
holy cringe are you somehow related to the infamous neoplatonist@icloud.com

>>16073536
evil has existence insofar as existence exists and the latter by being self-sufficient is inherently good, the former, per se: parasitic, dependent, not good and non-existent

>>16073596
this

>>16073603
read more

>>16073516
i think the answer is evident, anon

>>16073545
Heaven and Earth shall be rolled into one. Immanetize the eschaton
>>16073634
Nah, that's ken wheeler. Hes neoplatonist.

>>16073634
>evil has existence insofar as existence exists and the latter by being self-sufficient is inherently good, the former, per se: parasitic, dependent, not good and non-existent

nope, the property of existence is loaned equally to the good and evil. or are you going to tell me the good is parasitic on existence as well?

you're deluded. your body is dying every day. the only reason it doesn't actually croak is because you eat food. no merciful god would create a continuum like this. what does hunger test in my soul? nothing but what I am willing to debase in myself to live another day.

if your metaphysics or whatever has no eye for something as fundamental as food, eating, breathing, and drinking, you're a fool and off in lalaland.

>>16073642
>Plato didn't introduce a dualism between the phenomenal and intelligible realms

kek

>>16073649
It isn't.

>>16073664
minimization of entropy is closer to the Source

>>16073687
Food/consumption doesn't minimize entropy. It just dissipates it more efficiently.

>>16073659
>nah
i know i just found your email funny and similar to his, lol

>>16073664
everything self-sufficient is inherently good, i won't repeat the rest.

>if your metaphysics...
that is what metaphysics implies

>you're growing old! thats terrible ahhh
yeah, bodies suffer by definition (they are not self-convertive)

>>16072943
I read schoppy and saw that the real demiurge was inside us all along

Anyone else here studying / performing alchemy?

P.S. fuck Yaldabaoth

>>16073669
plato and no platonist posed separation, rupture between things

>>16073697
You just described the chain, the idea is that it's wrong

>>16073705
I'm going to put this in as simple terms as possible: if a One shits us out of the void to shrivel up and die in the cosmic darkness, it is diabolical, or a primordial idiot. Simple as that.

>>16073722
So? Plato opened a wedge that would eventually become a rupture.

>>16073738
what do you understand by void? genuinely curious; and what happens in your view after this death in cosmic darkness, where do you go from there?

>>16073738
>if a One shits us out of the void to shrivel up and die in the cosmic darkness,

you mean transform it?

>>16072409
from what I understand Plato gives better insight. Gnostics took his work and turned it into a story.

>>16073747
he opened nothing, he was not original (this is no discredit, plotinus knew this) in any of his ideas. what he could have opened was the path to rationalism but that was already done by parmenides and zeno

>>16073760
The One is a void relative to me. And nothing happens, you get shat out as a material surd, shrivel up, freeze, and die. Why do you think old people take it slow, what do you think it means that your metabolism slows as you age? Your fire, derived from the Primal Fire (cosmic plasma), is dying, weakening. Why do you think people worship youth, why America is a cult of youth? Because they worship proximity to that Fire.

The dead become just more pellets for the Demiurge to snack on. Either you achieve gnosis, some kind of realization that overcomes death in and through its nullity, or you feed the Earth and the Archons. That's it. The Neoplatonic One can go fuck itself if it can't stop itself from hemorrhaging souls destined for absolute zero.

>>16073783
if you buy this, you're a hop and a skip away from transhumanism, which makes me heave. did you know Gurdjieff beat Land to the punch by 50 years? we are indeed here to "transform" the darkness, but in the process, the human has to be discarded

>>16073796
not even worth replying seriously

>>16073809
>the human has to be discarded
says who

>>16073523
nah just drop the discord

>>16073816
Gurdjieff and Land.

>>16073812
I'm not the only one saying it. Stay regurgitating the same born-again Platonist reddit insights forever and ever until the cows come home

>>16073840
>Platonist reddit insights
Are you fucking retarded?

t. just dropped into this thread

>>16073796
that is right my friend, but the soul is a mustard seed that produces a great plant. we are not merely light emptied out of a jar into darkness, but we transform the dark.

>>16073828
not a server

Gnosticism is for weaklings who are too afraid of Old Testament truths.

>>16073840
for someone who hates the world you're too attached being led by your myopic understanding of it (since you completely ignore intuition and logic), how mundane

>>16073850
We're already inseminating the darkness though, what do you think capitalism is? We're inseminating the dense elements of the earth with life (electricity), turning them into machines. We're already doing everything Plotinus wanted us to do, that was Gurdjieff/Land's point all along: inseminating non-being with life to the utmost limit is ALREADY what's happening, and it's killing us. The divine ray doesn't give a shit about humanity

humanity is NOT a telos, like everything else on the chain of being, it is a transducer

>>16073875
Try actually saying something that demonstrates a competent grasp of the topics at hand, not this effeminate bullshit

>>16073896
I smell a pseud...

>>16073904
This thread was going great until you first-year philosophy goofs flooded in. I'm not interested in your cuck orthodoxies, please leave/

>>16073887
that's the demiurge, not the spirit.

>>16073915
>please leave/

>>16073916
of course it is, that's my point, this idea of a divine procession and return is demiurgic, because the procession demands the destruction/consumption of antecedent forms at every step on the chain.

>>16073896
just actually read my replies to you concerning existence good evil.
>reddit
>effeminate
keep going you may make me change my mind

>>16073924
>I-I'm not a first-year philosophy goof and experiencing dopamine withdrawal, here's this meme to prove it!

Yeah that's what I fucking thought

>>16073887
>inseminating non-being with life to the utmost limit is ALREADY what's happening,

there is a distinction between an actual existence and an improper manifestation, furthermore in hinduism there is prakrti / purusha distinction, and the evil you described is clear a deprivation of the Good, not the good itself.

>>16073938
Wasn't saying I'm not those things, just said I ain't leaving. I'm gonna stick around, cringe some more at your posts my man.

>>16073941
>prakrti/purusha

gnosticism radicalizes this distinction. prakrti isn't purusha in an "active" state, we're not talking phase changes here, but differences in kind, good and evil are sui generis, coeternal essences, absolute agon.

>>16073951
couldn't care less, here's your (You)

>>16073960
good and evil are not co-eternal forces in equality. how could they be? your spirit is a vast sum of deathless light that became trapped in a measureless sight. a spectacle. your true purpose is to transform the dark, not join it. a mystic escape is foolish, the truth is, you have always been anchored in an infinite, inconceivably beautiful existence, you have yet to realize this, so you remain in the fog of darkness, a false manifestation, an illusion

>>16073999
>good and evil aren't co-eternal
>your mission is to transform the darkness

What darkness? What are you talking about? How can light be darkness? What?

>>16073999
>he still believes in the existence of polar opposites such as "light" and "dark".

>>16074025
>he doesn't

must be nice to still be a child fascinated by "moral complexity" and "shades of grey"

>>16073170
>>16073041
>>16072973

Whoa. /lit/ needs a Gnosis general.

>>16074020
such a force of darkness has a real existence, and there is a real clash, but at the level of highest reality, All is Light

>>16074035
>not transcending dualities in the year 2000 + 20

>>16074057
so... mitigated gnostic dualism, then?

>>16074064
>monism

please.

>>16074072
There are layers much more complex than a simple 'light vs dark'

>>16072409
>>16073786
gnostics just appropriated his terminology but not exactly his concepts. they just use the name demiurge for example but what they mean are very different. but both agree on the ideal world and the material

>>16072801
What do you mean by "believe in"? Might sound dodgy but it really is the first necessary question to ask. Do you mean that we uphold the Gnostic cosmology? In that case, I'm undecided. Do you mean that we actively practice the religion? In that case its so nebulous and also contrary to the form of today's religions that there really is no decisive way to practice it. I would say that I believe in Gnosticism in the sense that I think its set of myths is much more useful to interpret the state of the world and the human condition than any other, and its principles and message resonate with me and I agree with.

>>16074085
Indeed, a complexity that sophisticated gnostic accounts have already considered and thoroughly digested. I'm not here to convert anyone. Just getting you to call a spade a spade

>>16072384
>sophia's autoeroticism
based

>>16074117
I think your view only gives weight to darkness, what you wrote about capitalism is indeed correct, but the metaphysical base has to be correct, for you it seems like you see the Good as completely consumed by darkness.

>>16073163
I haven’t seen him post in a while. What happened?

>>16074143
The good has nothing to do with this process of "pan-insemination", the Good is alien to any system built on violence. It's because I give more weight to the Good that I give weight to the Darkness, that I put them in their proper place

>>16074165
What is opposite of this atheist transhumanism? Please don't tell me 'mystic escapism'

>>16074210
Mystic escapism or enforcing energic bounds. Rolling back human civilization to a less energy-intensive life mode. By doing that, we stall the inseminating Ray, the cosmic engines of time

>>16074233
inverse emnationism lol.

>>16074268
I suppose.

>>16072373
for the cunny unironically

>>16074298
very regressive

>>16074310
Kek, you've already seen what "progress" entails, if you want to feed humanity to the wood chipper for the sake of a higher calender year be my guest

>>16072373
What's the origin of gnosis?
Most religion origi ated in a supposely contact with the divine
>Moses talking to God
>Jesus doing his stuff and ascending to heaven
>Mohamed talking to Gabriel
But what about Gnosis? How did they ended up "knwoing" all that stuff

>>16074299
Based and truthpilled. 9 is the number of completion. Your gnosis is complete.

>>16074359
Moses wasn't talking to God in that burning bush, was some kinda hellish demon I'm pretty sure

>promises Moses unending power in exchange for his eternal submission

yea sounds like some dark chaos shit straight out of Tolkien to me

>>16074379
Checked. But 12 is the superior number, just saying.

>>16074383
Whatever, but there's a supposed origin, God supposelly told them about all that suff.
But how did Gnosis originated? How did they ended up knowing all of this stuff about the Pleroma, and Sophia giving bitth to the Demiurge?

>>16074359
outcasts who had nothing in the world decided that the grapes were sour anyway

>>16072373
>>>/x/
>>>/his/

>>16074423
Intuition. Heart-knowledge. Observation and contemplation and probably a formative traumatic experience. You really won't get a better answer.

>>16074383
tolkien is based tho

>>16074460
He was into Alchemy, wasn't he?

>>16074452
>My intuition tells me that the material world is controlled by a giant snake with the face of a lion

because of complete lack of jealousy and unbounded love

Now why did he who framed this whole universe of becoming frame it? Let us state the reason why: He was good, and one who is good can never become jealous of anything. And so, being free of jealousy, he wanted everything to become as much like himself as was possible. In fact, men of wisdom will tell you (and you couldn’t do better than to accept their claim) that this, more than anything else, was the most preeminent reason for the origin of the world’s coming to be.

>>16074479
Based and jivanmukti-pilled

>>16074479
Yes. The material world is controlled by a demoniacal principle born in the rupture of some kind of primordial energy field = the virgin pneuma of the Father. That rupture is a cancer. Somehow one of these blissful fluctuations, "Sophia", got caught on the snag of her own recursion and imploded into the material universe; literally became a womb that fertilizes itself. That bubble now is inflating at the speed of light "inside" its incoherence. It feeds on pneuma to sustain itself.

>>16073170
well put

He wanted to be God but ended up a violent parasite incapable of love>>16072373

>>16074603
doesn't that sound like scientology-tier nonsense to you?
I mean, there's not a single supposed episode that justifies this belief, doesn't it? A small thing that, if real, is a strong evidence to the realness of the rest of it?

>>16074664
No. It's Zizek's Void of autorecoil, it's the circularity of the Hegelian dialectic, it's the retroactive fantasy of the subject in Lacan, it's Langan's metatautologies spontaneously emerging out of background telesis. Not that these ideas are all the same but all testify to a Cut or rupture or movement to mediate that rupture one way or another (though in Langan that Cut is way more attenuated).

>>16074479
Based retard literalist

>>16074327
must've felt some negative experiences in your life recently to feel this way

>>16074710
must've felt some positive experiences in your life recently to not feel this way

What are you saying? You're saying nothing.

>>16074688
good to see you here. get back on discord, mulatto. great stuff btw

>>16074740
you have this belief system because of a traumatic event in your life that you could not fully comprehend, it got lost on you so you searched, there is an uncertainty in your mind.

(250,6) Another hymn to Khnum-Re,
God of the potter's wheel,
Who settled the land by his handiwork;
Who joins in secret,
Who builds soundly.'
Who nourishes the nestlings by the breath of his mouth;
Who drenches this land with Nun,
While round sea and great ocean surround him.

He has fashioned gods and men,
He has formed flocks and herds;
He made birds as well as fishes,
He created bulls, engendered cows.

He knotted the flow of blood to the bones,
Formed in his workshop as his handiwork,
So the breath of life is within everything,
Blood bound with semen in the bones,
To knit the bones from the start.
He makes women give birth when the womb is ready,
So as to open --- as he wishes;
He soothes suffering by his will,
Relieves throats, lets everyone breathe,
To give life to the young in the womb.

He made hair sprout and tresses grow,
Fastened the skin over the limbs;
He built the skull, formed the cheeks,
To furnish shape to the image.
He opened the eyes, hollowed the ears,
He made the body inhale air;
He formed the mouth for eating,
Made the gorge for swallowing.

He also formed the tongue to speak,
The jaws to open, the gullet to drink,
The throat to swallow and spit.
The spine to give support,
The testicles to move,
The arm to act with vigor,
The rear to perform its task.
The gullet to devour,
Hands and their fingers to do their work,
The heart to lead .
The loins to support the phallus
In the act of begetting.
The frontal organs to consume things.
The rear to aerate the entrails,
Likewise to sit at ease,
And sustain the entrails at night.
The male member to beget,
The womb to conceive,
And increase generations in Egypt.
The bladder to make water,
The virile member to eject
When it swells between the thighs.
The shins to step,
The legs to tread ,
Their bones doing their task,
By the will of his heart.

>>16074793
You're not thinking about it the right way. The Demiurge doesn't reflect my psychological problems (whatever they may be), my psychological problems reflect the Demiurge

>>16074820
Khnum creator of all peoples and all life
Formed all on his potter's wheel,
Their speech differs in each region,
And clashes with that of Egypt.
He created precious things in their lands,
That they might bear their products abroad,
For the lord of the wheel is their father too,
Tatenen who made all that is on their soil.
They produce their supplies---thus the people of Ibhat---
To nourish themselves and their children.
As his mouth spat out they were born straightaway,
Without pause henceforth the wheel turns every day.

All your creatures give you thanks,
You are Ptah-Tatenen, creator of creators,
Who in Iunyt brought forth all that is.
He feeds the chick in the nest in its time,
He makes its mother eject it in time.
He made mankind, created gods,
He fashioned flocks and herds.
He made birds, fishes, and reptiles all,
By his will Nun 's fishes leap from the caverns,
To feed men and gods in his time.
He made plants in the field,
He dotted the shores with Rowers;
He made fruit trees bear their fruit,
To fill the needs of men and gods.
He opened seams in the bellies of mountains,
He made the quarries spew out their stones.

>>16074849
The diverseforms ofKhnum
In "First-of-towns" he is Ba-of-Re,'
Fashioning people throughout this land;
At Iunyt he is Ba-of-Shu,
Modeling people on his wheel.
He has fashioned men, engendered gods,
They live by that which comes from him,
He makes breathe those who rest in their tombs.
In Shas-hotep he is Ba-of-Osiris,
Making all herds by his handiwork;
In Herwer he is Ba-of-Ceb,
Fashioning all beings in this land .
He is Horus-Metenu in Semenhor,
Making birds from the sweat of his body.
He changes his form to Lord-of-the-booth,
To wrap Osiris in the place of embalmment;
He models all things between his hands,
To guard Osiris on his right side,
Save him from the water by his Twins,
Guard the King on his left side, ever-living.
He changes his form to Suwadjenba of Pi-neter.
Who makes all things in his field,
He grows trees, he raises crops,
To nourish all by his products.
He alters his form to beneficent Nourisher,
On top of nestling-hill,
To fashion all men and beasts.
They have placed their four Mesekhnet at their sides,
To repel the designs of evil by incantations;
They stand as lords of the shrines of South and North,
At the place of creation of all that exists.
Beneficent god,
Contenting god,
God who forms bodies,
God who equips nostrils,
God who binds the Two Lands,
So that they join their natures.
When Nun and Tatenen first came into being,
They appeared as lotus on his back,
As heir to Djed-shepsy at the start.
Their Ka will not perish ,
None shall hinder their action,
No land is lacking in all that he made.
They are concealed among mankind,
Creating all beings since god's time,
They are alive and abiding,
Like Re rising and setting,
May your fair face be kind to Pharaoh ever living!

>>16074830
apocatastasis. you ignore the key and your own individuality. you say your evil presupposes an imprinter but do not speak of mending, only regression, you see the incorrect image map because you are lost, away from the deathless light within you. seek the true path or find yourself lost in the blight of the empirical. salvation is too cosmic, yet you only add escapism.

>>16074906
The mending is the regression. Procession and return. A child in adulthood, a zygote again at death. There's a moving forward that's a moving back. Heraclitus' moonwalk

>>16074820
>>16074849
>>16074895
Awakenings of Khnum; say:

Wake well in peace, wake well in peace,
Khnum-Amun, the ancient,
Issued from Nun,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, lord of fields,
Great Khnum,
Who makes his domain in the meadow,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, lord of gods and men,
Lord of the war cry,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, mighty planner,
Great power in Egypt,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, lord of life, Wooer of women,
To whom come gods and men as he bids,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, ram great of majesty,
Tall-plumed, sharp-horned ,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, great lion,
Slayer of rebels,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, crocodile-king,
Mighty victor,
Who conquers as he wishes,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, veiled-faced one,
Who shuts his eyes to his foes,
As he bears arms,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, leader of herdsmen,
Who grasps the stick,
Smites his attacker,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, great crocodile who says,
"Each of you shall slay his fellow,"
In peace awake, peaceably!

Wake, Shu, strong-armed,
His father's champion,
Slayer of rebels,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, fighting ram who chases his foes,
Herdsman of his followers,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, multiform one,
Who changes shape at will,
In peace, awake peaceably!

Wake, Khnum who fashions as he wishes,
Who sets every man in his place!

>>16074928
do you not see the wisdom of incubation? it was never about moving back. but looking back.

>>16074949
I see everything. Gas the archons reality war now

>>16075135
why don't you gas the archon inside you -- the little complex with its own individuality?

Is there any more cucked belief system than one that rejects the the material world wholesale?
Aryans believed in the divinity of the material world as corresponding to the divinity of immaterial world.

>>16075413
Rejecting the known reality is always a pathologic cope on the part of weak-willed spiritual semites.
>lol material world BAD and EVIL mmkay? why even try to for anything

>>16075343
because that individuality is a hand-me-down of the rex mundi's individuality, son. it's just a system.

>>16075413
>Aryans believed in the divinity of the material world as corresponding to the divinity of immaterial world.

Not as it is now, though.

http://aryanism.net/culture/aesthetics/food/

>We are not thankful for our meals in the fashion of Jews and Gentiles who eat in celebration of their own power over their Goy victims; we are only thankful for our meals insofar as they give us the energy we need for completing our mission: to return the world to the Golden Age as quickly as possible.

>Symbolically, we should follow the principle of eating after working, so that the food replenishes the energy spent in labour, mirroring the Aryan economic principle that the food is a product of the labour. (In contrast, eating before working more closely resembles the non-Aryan practice of investment.

>Veganism is a necessary but not sufficient condition of Aryanism.

>>16073285
https://www.instagram.com/ingridbiancchi/

>>16075432
Yes, so pragmatic. All pragmatism ends in death.

>>16075468
all things die eventually

>>16074479

>>16072952
>Marcion's canon contained an edited Gospel of Luke and Paul's Epistles.
Wrong. There was no "gospel of Luke" before Marcion.

>>16072373
There is no hole in God because God is wholely that hole. He’s “holy.”
There is no difference between good and evil, light and dark, awake and asleep, sound and silence, being and nonbeing, dynamicity and stasis, actual and potential, loss of interia and interia. Thou art that, self, consciousness, which is unconscious of itself, and unconsciousness in itself. You’ve created a prison you encapsulate yourself in, literally the border being your thinking. Duality arises from those who differentiate noise from silence. You neither are or aren’t.

>>16076020
"there is no duality except in those who are defected with duality - therefore separating an arch dualism from duality and monism"

this is marshmellow monism - read more. you can deceive yourself in mysticism 101's that we are all just One - but if that were true none of this would have to be stated and there would be no confusion.

>>16072384
>sophia's autoeroticism
i'm gonna Noooooouuusss

>>16074603
Very well put.

>>16074664
No. The difference is that we aren't talking about a time or place long ago. We are talking about the difference of the perfect world of forms and pure ideas, and the freedom of infinite potential, versus the material world.

To give a material example, think of a wave in a superposition. It exists in many multiple positions. Something happens, measurement. Then the wave collapses.

That's the Pleroma before the Advent of the material world. Yaldaboath is the collapse and entrapment of ideas in the web of causality- causality, which is the consequence of the material.

>>16076287
>Yaldaboath is the collapse and entrapment of ideas in the web of causality- causality, which is the consequence of the material.[P

precisely.

>>16076179
this is unironically what happened. im gonna... im gonna cogitate the bythoooooos!

>>16076055
the confusion is precisely what the essence is of the monad. thats why he is ineffable dummy.

>>16076287
>>16076321
what are gnostic thoughts on apophaticism? i'm afraid most of gnostics take bythos literally just like modern buddhists take void not to be a symbolique of what surpasses everything

>>16076481
Jung's thoughts on Gnosis are highly based in apophaticism.

Gnostics have no orthodoxy though.

>>16076481
ascent through the spheres of the archons couldn't be anything other than a negative maneuver

>>16073066
>ether physics

There is nothing, basically.
I mean it quite literally but then how do things emerge?
Here i feel a kind of spontaneous affinity with quantum physics where, you know, the idea there is that universe is a void but a kind of a positively charged void and then particular things appear when the balance of the void is disturbed.
And i like this idea spontaneously very much that the fact that it's not just nothing, things are out there.
It means something went terribly wrong that what we call creation is a kind of a cosmic imbalance, cosmic catastrophe, that things exist by mistake.
And i'm even ready to go to the end and to claim that the only way to counteract this, is to assume the mistake and go to the end. And we have a name for this it's called love.
Isn't love precisely this kind of a cosmic imbalance?
I was always disgusted with this notion of
>i love the world,
>universal love,
I don't like the world i don't know how i...
basically i'm somewhere in between I hate the world or i'm indifferent towards it.
But the whole of reality it's just it. It's stupid. It is out there. I don't care about it.
Love for me is an extremely violent act.
Love is not i love you all. love means i pick out something, and i, and it's, you know it's again this structure of imbalance.
Even if this something is just a small detail, a fragile individual person.
I say i love you more than anything else.
In this quite formal sense love is evil.

Is zizek a gnostic?

>>16077021
In one sense, absolutely.

>It means something went terribly wrong that what we call creation is a kind of a cosmic imbalance, cosmic catastrophe, that things exist by mistake.

>Viscerally, imperiously, irremissibly, the Gnostic feels life, thought, human and planetary destiny to be a failed work, limited and vitiated in its most fundamental structures.

>>16074299
just how good is Cosmic c*nny?

>>16073170
>>16072973
>>16073523
Why should posts like these wither away on this shitposting board, never to be seen again? Can someone make a gnosis board on 8ch?

Found more good stuff.

http://numerocinqmagazine.com/2016/02/02/trolling-with-the-fisher-king-chapter-three-constellating-the-net-a-quantum-fairytale-paul-pines/

>The notion of scattered sparks of gnostic light may find equivalent in the scattered amplitudes of particle interaction in a quantum field.

>>16077193
Go back to /x/

Gnosticism is a mean to take original sin out of the human being and put it on God. It's a cult of pride.

>>16077709
t. cult of guilt

>demiurge
But lo! - ye had been deceived, for the gnostic god is merely another illusion, un tiersurge! It is the next world that is the true one.

Genesis 1:10
>And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was GOOD.
Gnosticism BTFO.

gnosticism is more pseud than gaytheism

>>16073523
hey i just signed your email up to a bunch of religious and marketing spam.

>>16072373
Hubris

Why do gaytheists get so mad at the idea of God existing?
I get it, it's the homosexuals again, right?
I mean gnosticism would be totally fine with homosexuals considering that they won't breed, but I know what the problem is. Because gnosticism hopes for people to look towards spiritual matters with more seriousness and not become a "dancer" of the gay disco, faggots still get offended either way. Homosexuals are so mentally ill that if your religious or spiritual views aren't in agreement with the acting out of wanton carnal desires they will become incredibly infuriated at it and try to attack it
Mercenaries of the globo homo, only their payment is more aids

Does Guénon (pbuh) have written something about Gnosticism?

>>16077467
what

>/lit/ now worships a literal life-denying sect because muh vidja games
The absolute state

>>16078546
Literally shut the fuck up faggot, this shit is too high level for your self-help tier philosophy, go read kant or neetschay with the rest of the retards that pollute this board.

>>16078633
You'll never reach le epic Monad and dab on the Demiurge with that attitude, silly billy

>>16072973
What literature would you recommend to someone just getting into Gnosticism?

>>16078795
Persona 5 manga

>>16074479
>giant snake
Worm, actually.

>>16072373
I'm reading Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung right now, halfway through. Wouldnt Schopenhauer be classified as a gnostic?

how do we get off mr demiurge's wild ride?

>>16077021
>>16077064
Yes. And bythos for many of them (specially modern pseudo-gnostics) is just the pre-cosmic symmetric nothingness. Their spirituality is escapism as mere opposition to life, they end up differing nothing from nihilists.

>>16078633
>shut up!!! I hate life, i hate those who understand life, gnosticism is the perfect philosophy for me because they hate the world yes i hate it too even though i dont believe in anything spiritual only modern science is true because they are crypto gnostic physicalists yes im this and i hate everything have i said it already?

>>16078633
>Literally shut the fuck up faggot, this shit is too high level for your self-help tier philosophy, go read kant or neetschay with the rest of the retards that pollute this board.
'In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any Yaldabaoth's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.'

>>16072373
to make order from chaos, ordo ab chao

>>16072841
i tried gnosticism and catharism but i find the anti-natalist worldview counterproductive, the goal of life should be perfection of your soul and to devote yourself to compassion

>>16078795
Nag hammadi

>>16072801
I wish I could, but after I read Nietzsche it's so obviously a hard cope.

>>16079190
Try
>enlightened by my own pneuma

>>16079650
Why? What did nietzsche do?

>>16075463
Schizojak, I see you

>>16076535
how so?

>>16079155
>>16079176

None of you know what you're talking about. Stop posting.

>>16079701
Hermetic man receives specific qualities from each planet as he falls into nature. Dying then is just this process in reverse. As you ascend up the soul net you give back your properties to their stock-principles or "Archons". if you can't let them go, then you're shunted back into this shitshow

>>>>>/x/
has all the answers about the fagiurge

>>16073170
Not to get too bogged down in an anime anology that will discredit the ideas, but would this make Griffith the id, the manifestation of desires. Griffith/desire has Guts (psyche/will) follow him. Then he betrays him to causality and rapes his anima.

Fitting analogy. But Gnosis as an answer? Leave desire. Desire is Prakrati. Focus on Atman, which is itself nothing. Then focus on the Eightfold Path.

>>16078795
Get this and the class Redefining Reality. ,$8 from Audible. Then read Timaeus and Man and his Symbols.

Now you have a base, go get the Gnostics Bible collection.

>>16078795
You asked for literature, not philosophy. So:

Voyage to Arcturus - David Lindsay
The Abyss - Marguerite Yourcenar

>>16074479
I don't propose it as evidence of anything but when I was six the teacher was trying to describe what God looked like and she said He was like everything at once, I laughed to myself imagining a snake with a lion's head sitting on a throne. I didn't learn about Ialdabaoth for decades after that though.

>>16082194
wtf

>>16072558
Ah yes, the forbidden lore, exxpunged from the pages of the old testament.
>The Book of Bob, Gods less popular cousin.

>>16082194
Fucked up if tru

>>16082208
It's true, I thought he looked forlorn and self-conscious at his own ridiculousness. I didn't remember it until more than twenty years later looking at one of the spurdo comics on /x/

>>16082247
Very big if tru

>>16082032
>>16082068
Thank you, I'll check these out.

>>16082275
The courses are really great. I did my undergrad in neuroscience and grad school in statistics.

Mind Body Philosophy was a bunch of the more interesting stuff you learn in survey courses with a ton of links to philosophy and computer science. Probably better than any in person class I had and I went to two prestigious schools.

Redefining Reality is a bit less accessible and focuses on the same sort of "philosophical mysteries of existence" more from the materialist end. So it starts with Aristotle and moves to Newton, then General Relativity, then quantum mechanics, then chaos theory, and then gets back into psychology.

Together it's two college level surveys on conciousness from different angles that I thought were great. I had read A Brief History of Time and the Elegant Universe so the physics was a recap which helped.

I think to get the most out of the Gnostics, or even Jung, it's good to have that scientific and basic philosophical background first. Timaeus is also Plato's most indepth "theology."

Redpill me on the Ogdoad.

>>16079650
Nietzsche must've been an Archon ;)

>>16072392
Read him instead and watch Gnostic's seethe

>>16073809
you have no prove of a supernatural evil entity.

>>16081351
any evidence?

>>16083591
>>16083599
>p-proof?

This thread isn't for you.

>>16083599
Evidence? We're talking about pure subjectivity and Logos. We can make logical arguments, but it's all based on common experience as well.

>>16072922
Sorry dude but Plotinus actually came before the Gospels.

>>16078005
bros wtf.... Sophia plz save me

>>16079349
>perfection of your soul
lol imagine striving toward hypostasis

Was reading some Hegelian Gnosticism earlier

>God did not make everything. It all evolved from the fundamental substance of the universe, driven by the dialectic. The demiurge is one of the main products of this dialectic. Evil is a dialectical necessity in order for good, it's opposite, to have meaning. That's why evil must exist.
>The demiurge and necessary dialectical tests for us. They are an inevitable product of the dialectic. Good must be dialectically opposed. A being on light must be opposed by a being of darkness. Those are the rules of the dialectic. Every opposite must be generated, every antithesis, every contradiction, every error. All of it is demanded by the dialectic. Tye Absolute cannot reach its Omega Point without having overcome all dialectical resistances. How could Absolute Knowledge of the universe be gained if half the cosmic equation were missing?

>>16084383
Not gnosticism. Earth isn't a dialectical school, it's a torture chamber. We're not supposed to dialectically conquer evil, but extract ourselves from its substance for all eternity

The Demiurge isn't a product of the dialectic (of world time), it IS the dialectic.

>>16084383
All things exist in the Pleroma. Their antipodes balance them. There is no dialectic that can form what Ein Soph lacks. You need to invert the dialectic. It is the spliting of emergent antipodes, regressing.

>>16084568
I imagine the dialectic as a bubble or region where certain relationships or antipodes can safely enter into effectivity, "distanciated" by space and time, or honestly whatever meta-boundary it is that keeps the systole/diastole of this system going.

In this way, it really was for "cosmic cunny". I'm not trying to be vulgar but it's true: a "cell" is partitioned from the pleroma for the sole purpose of "harvesting" whatever potentials are latent in these antipodal relationships when they're no longer canceling each other out. And the most extreme expressions of that are sex and violence

bump

>>16073170
>Ein Soph
Someone read The Secret Teachings of All Ages

>>16073170
Is Berserk, Jung, and Gnostic texts combined the ultimate redpill?

>>16088052
No, the ultimate redpill is realizing these supposedly supernatural entities being responsible for our suffering only exist to absolve human beings of their own corruptuous nature, and taking gnosticism is immature, escapist and life-denying.

>>16072373
Raised by a single mother.

>>16088091
*taking gnosticism seriously

>>16088052
No. You need to also immerse yourself in mathematics, physics, neuroscience, metaphysics, and in between watch Neogenesis Evangelion. Duh.

>>16072373
What physical book can i read to get started into gnosticism?

I want to read the printed text feel the paper.

>>16088091
Very Freudian. Dismissing an entire range of beliefs and thought, with a legacy from the Hindus, to Orphics, to Plato, to the Gnostics, to Kabbalah, to alchemy, to modern takes on the implications of physics and psychology, as mere escapism and fantasy.

It's a claim that is unfalsifiable, and of course any arguments as to the apparent truth of aspects the Timaeus for example, can always be called "escapism."

But the "hard problem of conciousness," will still be there for the postivist reductionists of the world, and the difficulty of the idea of freedom versus the observation of determinism and causality.

>>16072934
*writes a bunch of Jesus fanfiction* “nothin personnnel, early church”

>>16088091
>life-denying

anon, that's the ultimate non-escapism and maturity. there is nothing beyond that for human being.

>>16088091
Isn't Gnosticism life affirming? Experience and knowledge are the highest goal. You can reject the physical world and embrace life. Gnosticism isn't aceticism.

>>16072373
>physical realm go abrrr cadaabrrrrr

>>16088737
It is indeed.

>>16088374
All the gospels were fan fiction, you think they were written when Christ was alive, or shortly after he died? Think again.

>>16088127
Hans Jonas - The Gnostic Religion. Masterwork of the field, and still available on Amazon.

>>16088121
Unironically this. Although Eva (and I'm noticing most Japanese media, like SMT and Xenogears) deconstructs gnosticism. Japs are just really rustic that way.

>>16088091
It is the cosmos itself that is corrupt, you can't think beyond your petty anthropocentrisms. That is immaturity and escapist.

>>16076179
kek