/lit/ - Literature

Name a single more reddit """philosopher""" than Pinker.

this is that jewish guy that was a repeat guest at epstein's pedo island, right?

>>16055672
that's him restating dawkins, doesnt seem that controversial nor an idea original to him

>>16055689
Dawkins is also a pseud.

>>16055703
not about evolution

What a pseud. He has to be a Harvard professor.

>>16055676

what's /lit/ take on reddit's philosophy?

Come to think of it, most of my impression is that they're pretty much like the side of /lit/ that doesn't say kike

>>16055731
Politicized scientism-atheism. Very boring old and cringe.

>>16055741
maybe in 2010. Reddit is just another outpost of Progressivism now, any libertarian or atheist whatever sentiments are long gone, or an irrelevant minority now.

>>16055703
Shitting on Dawkins the evolutionary biologist is a surefire way to out yourself as a massive pseud who doesn't read books

>>16055708
>>16055763
Evolution is a meme, dumb dumbs.

>>16055731
Reddit has no "philosophy", reddit as a monolithic community doesn't exist outside of 4chan's ressentment point of view.
4chan is literally just falling into the trap of employing their "enemies" framework, turning far-right because their supposed enemies dictate that being far-right is wrong, and in turn they paint any one they dislike as being radically far-left in some form or another.
This place is so fucked.

>>16055772

you sound like a kike

>>16055761
Progressivism isn't orthogonal to atheism, it often accompanies it, certainly in reddit's case

>>16055772
Every notable contrarian subreddit has been quarantined or banned. Large frontpage tier subreddits are all moderated by the same small clique of power users. The entirety of reddit confirms to a very small spectrum of woke leftist thought in which even "people" like TERFs and cucky civnats aren't welcome anymore. Just look at the ebin BLM blackouts.

>>16055772
>reddit isn't a monolith. 4chan, however,
at least apply your own standards to your own posts kek

>>16055818
4chan is absolutely more monolithic than reddit, or at least as reddit was a few years ago, as this anon pointed out that it is becoming increasibly democratized: >>16055815

Even if you have a silent majority of say non-anti-semites, non-contrarians, non-far right people, the perceived image you immerse yourself in by browsing this board is definitely hegemonic.

>>16055785
straight up atheism doesn't mesh with progressivism at all, because it looks at stuff like sociobiology. Progressive 'atheism' is deeply Christian

hmmm

>>16055833
>4chan is absolutely more monolithic than reddit,
Yes the site that barely moderates at all is more monolithic than the most ban-happy retards on the internet. You're kind of a retard

>>16055834
These takes are so retarded, you are literally raping language by saying stuff like "anything that resembles empathy-based ethics is Christian". No nuance with you morons.

>>16055846
You just ignored the point I made and instead attacked me with a strawman, stop being a dishonest faggot.

>>16055834
Yes, I've long since heard the "it's an extension of puritanical protestantism" argument, but part of understanding a community is coming to terms with it, and these people don't think of themselves as Christians. They are proudly rational atheists who believe history has an arc that bends towards justice and they must subordinate themselves to that progress, like, don't be a dick, man.

>>16055848
original sin > racism(colonialism, slavery)
equality of souls > intellectual etc. equality
divine providence > progress
resist not evil > ethnosuicide
poor are blessed in spirit > the oppressed(race etc) are blessed in spirit

>>16055865
This is so fucking stupid, read a goddamn book please.
I'd even recommend Nietzsche as you probably pretend to have read him when you defend your retarded theories.

>>16055672
>As we shall see

>>16055857
You made no point at all dumbass, the fact you're here arguing right now is proof that 4chan isn't monolithic, Reddit would censor this entire discussion.

>>16055872
Do you have a problem with any of the parallels in particular that you would like to explain?

>>16055865
God > nothing
the bible > worthless
souls > nonsense

See the difference?
You're repeating a framework for understanding progressives as an extension of puritanical protestants, it's useful in some ways but it's a map, not the territory. It's just wrong in some ways.

>>16055834
>>16055865
This is true.

>>16055848
>>16055872
Read pic rel. Democrats are literally ex-puritans.

>>16055672
The analogy doesn't even track... Blueprints were never called such due to what they do or don't specify. He's also essentially admitting that 'selflessness' is a product of selfishness (and so not actually antithetical to selfishness, just a different expression of it).

Finally, it seems utterly retarded to suggest that genes don't have a profound influence upon our interior monologues.

>>16055902
No I don't see. I listed parallels, and you listed...I have no idea.
I don't think they're particularly Protestant. They're also influenced by Judaism quite heavily

>>16055911
Again, repeating a received framework for trying to understand them while wilfully ignoring the fact that almost all of these people think of themselves, and identify as, atheists.

>>16055925
It's a different type of atheism than the kind that is associated with people that take Darwin seriously

>>16055877
Yes I have and you know so, dishonest faggot. I've literally debated with race-realists and anti-semites for weeks on subreddits such as /r/askphilosophy, /r/askhistorians and /r/badphilosophy. None got purged or banned. Again, you are ignoring my point that the phenomenology of browsing this website is 100% hegemonic, whereas on reddit I can if I want to find many communities of differing opinions.
>but I can't say nigger and demand the murder of all Jews there
True, not an argument that shows that 4chan is more diverse though. /pol/ is after all the only politics board here, its impetus is clear and its influence is also very clear, this also holds for whatever political entity holds power over reddit, but I can pinpoint diverging opinions in virtue of their hypertextual appearance: subreddits which clearly signify their divergences such as /r/conservative or whatever.

Just imagine the absolute shitshow of the introcution of a /leftypol/ on 4chan, this is why 4chan is absolutely more hegemonic, not because there's a top-down censorship mechanism but a down-top meme-machine that renders anything but the collective contrarian take meaningless or even "cringe".

>>16055923
Okay, I'll make it more direct. You can't turn self-avowed atheists into Christians by drawing a few equivalencies of doctrine while overlooking obvious fundamental differences.

>>16055925
>people think of themselves, and identify as, atheists.
You sound like the kind of person to believe that trans women are women.

>>16055672
I love how the secular judeo chrisitans are obsessed with selfishness-selflessness and how they always try to brand their religion as selflessness.

>>16055939
For this comparison to make any sense, Christianity would have to be a biological trait.

>>16055872

Are you 19 years old? If so your vaginal complaining is understandable. If you're older than 19 you are retarded.

>>16055934
>/pol/ is after all the only politics board here
Except /pol/ is literally, factually, undeniably more diverse than reddit can even dream to be.

>Just imagine the absolute shitshow of the introcution of a /leftypol/ on 4chan
Except /pol/ does not ban any opinions and communists can (and do) create threads that promote their ideology on /pol/. They will never be banned (unfortunately) however they can be (and are) rightfully criticized by other users.

>>16055934
This is the AskHistorians stance on holocaust denial you faggot
>So thankfully, we get a pretty low amount of Holocaust Denialism in r/AskHistorians, and I'd like to think that in part, this is due to our reputation, as a mod team, for taking no shit and acting decisively. They know that we'll shut them down quickly, and it isn't worth their time. I contrast this with r/history, a default subreddit which I also mod, and if there is a Holocaust thread which gets any attention, you can bet we're issuing at least a ban or two when the deniers inevitably come out of the wood work

you mistake the presence of opinions you disagree with as an echo chamber, and you think that a place that only has opinions you do agree with is 'diverse'. Again you are here right now being a faggot and you aren't being banned, on Reddit I would be banned for saying my part. Nothing more to be said

>>16055955
As Christians say
>judge them by their fruits, not by their words
or something like that.

>>16055934
>>16055969

>Just as blueprints don't necessarily specify blue buildings, selfish genes don't necessarily specify selfish organisms
Wow what a retarded substanceless analogy.

>>16055984

This anon wins. Other anon a kike faggot.

I hate having to post and thinking if what I'm posting will be deleted.

>>16055934
even more explicit
>So while a clear case of denialism is going to get banned, no ifs, ands, or buts,

>>16055986
Yeah, if it doesn't believe in God or souls and it thinks the bible is just some old fiction writing, then it's not a Christian. That's why they're atheists.

>>16055997
We are not talking about their belief in God, we are talking about Christian ethics and morality. You are arguing a hopeless position, and if you have any honest intention of educating yourself, you should read the book that I recommended earlier >>16055911 , which explains how modern American egalitarians evolved from puritans (strict definition of puritans here).

>>16055938
I'm not saying they're Christian, I'm saying their worldview is very informed by Christianity. 'atheism' of the more edgy kind that used to live on the internet is a whole different sort of subculture

>>16055995
True, but it's undeniable that 4chan is turning into an echochamber as well. Any remotely contrarian opinion on /pol/ gets 50 meme replies and 0 genuine engagements, leading the contrarian to a different place where his opinion actually gets engaged with, then the same memeposters pride the board in being a haven of free speech. /lit/ isn't like this yet, but it's surely more like it now than it was 5 years ago.

>>16055984
it really amazes me that they cant "see" their own actions in any kind of detached sense

>>16055969
>Except /pol/ is literally, factually, undeniably more diverse than reddit can even dream to be.

It literally, factually and undeniably is not, for the reasons I gave above. I suspect my argument is too abstract for a pea-brain such as yourself to comprehend. Any adherence to 4chan's loose moderation is again not at all related to my argument, learn how to read. "Communists", supposing most of them aren't just trolling in one way or another are not "criticized by other users", they are filtered by the innate memetic structure of this website; they are simply the other which has no place on 4chan at its current stage. Posting about communism on /pol/ would like trying to upload a .docx file to YouTube. You also proved my correct by asserting that you wish communists would be banned on 4chan, of course they aren't being banned, but the fact that the common sense take on any DIFFERENT opinion is "leave, gb2reddt, kill yourself, dilate" is much more restrictive than any ban-hammer (which doesn't completely fuck up the website) could be when it is enforced by literal p-zombies (or NPCs in meme terms).

>>16055984
Again, not at all related to my argument. I already concenced that reddit will factually ban you and exclude you from using their website, which happens much more rarely on here. Nonetheless, the form of restriction this site puts on "discourse" covers much more grounds than reddit's staunch take on anti-racism and such.

You are performatively proving my argument to be correct by now accusing me of being some form of "political enemy" to /pol/, reducing my argument to "disagreeing" with these opinions and trying to paint /pol/ as an "echo chamber" for that reason. This is your brain on /pol/, this is how single-tracked your thinking becomes when you are immersed in this memetic tornado of "based" and "redpilled" memes which make you recoil from anything that would potentially put you into the posiiton of being "cringe". You are literally programmed against your volition.

>but I'm not being banned for saying nigger a lot!

No one gives a fucking shit, this isn't what ideological diversity is, this is just your very own preferred ideology. You are being a completely dishonest nigger, you don't even give a shit about "diversity" (neither do I), you're really just making a sports-fan-logic based argument in favor of your based echo-chamber as opposed to your "political enemy's" echo-chamber. Browsing 4chan is aking to having severe fever-dreams every single night, expecting not to be influenced by these dreams.

>>16056103
Buddy you literally cannot weasel your way out of the fact that there is objectively more ideological diversity here than Reddit, because Reddit bans entire sections of ideological spectrum.

It will be amusing to see you keep trying to do this though

>>16056103
>"Communists", supposing most of them aren't just trolling in one way or another are not "criticized by other users", they are filtered by the innate memetic structure of this website; they are simply the other which has no place on 4chan at its current stage.
i dunno wtf you're talking about, completely different experience for me

>>16056103
>Browsing 4chan is aking to having severe fever-dreams every single night, expecting not to be influenced by these dreams.
lol the only dreams I have are about me nutting in your dad's bussy

>>16056103
There are threads about Communism here literally every day you dumb newfriend

>>16056103
>Posting about communism on /pol/
Possible.
>trying to upload a .docx file to YouTube.
Physically impossible.

Only a person with a brain tumor or aneurysm could make this comparison and think that it's clever or whatever.

>filtered by the innate memetic structure of this website
4chan is a hyperbolic time chamber where memes to compete in a way of natural selection just like genes do compete and only those which are the most fit survive. If communist ideas can't survive the banter then it seems that communism is simply retarded.

>ban-hammer (which doesn't completely fuck up the website)
Except it does and reddit is the most fucked up website IN THE HISTORY of internet. Also if you believe that opposing opinions are more damaging to discourse than banhammers, then why are you here with us instead of discussing on reddit?

>common sense
Not an argument.
>Browsing 4chan is aking to having severe fever-dreams every single night
Not an argument.

>This is your brain on /pol/, this is how single-tracked your thinking becomes when you are immersed in this memetic tornado of "based" and "redpilled" memes
Imagine thinking that "based/cringe" memes are anything more than lowbrow humour.
Imagine being such a newfag that you don't know how to regex-filter such phrases with 4chanX to make your lurking more efficient.

>>16056036

It's more cyclical. /pol/ has literally always been a cesspool.

/lit/ attracts the same kind of people it always does. there's also /his/ and other boards that will always have more serious discourse in between the lines. Sincere and honest discourse but meddled with anti-semitism and racism. Personally I'm not racist but I rather deal with the n word than some random power tripping mod deleting posts that don't fit some preapproved narrative.

If people are growing and making themselves better on reddit, then good for them. My issue is more with schizo shit. Having to type trying to think how my message will be received and where you seem to have so many secrets orgs. fucking 2x just blindly discriminates and is always inside subs snooping around. And this is coming from a liberal. They're all fucking kikes that don't want to lose a grip on the narrative.

Anti-semitism is the least thing you encounter on reddit. Fucking kikes

>>16056145
he's an unironic r*dditor who couldn't help but act like a sperg and shit up my thread. and from the way he types I'd say he's still underage.
just let him keep getting btfo.

>>16056121
It only bans the absolute far-right, and again the "banning" is not important to my argument, you refuse to read. The reason why low-IQ anti-intellectual forms of Fisher-Price-tier "fAsCiSm" (which just means angry racist on here) is the dominant opinion here doesn't come from the fact that 4chan went through a process of intellectual training to arrive at these truths. It is literal collective brainwashing which results in a much more insidious form of censorship.

>>16056132
Then you're either lying or arrived here in the past few months, literally every "liberal" thread or post on /pol/ is some form of low-IQ bait, which surprisingly many people fall for. The rest gets meme-holed by accusing the OP of being a kike and that's that, you know this.

>>16056145
Doesn't matter, there are also tons of "blacked" threads on /pol/. Is /pol/ thus a fan of interracial pornography? Learn how to fucking read holy shit.

>>16056177
>Possible
Not the analogy I'm making. You know this, stop being dishonest.

>4chan is a hyperbolic time chamber where memes to compete in a way of natural selection just like genes do compete and only those which are the most fit survive. If communist ideas can't survive the banter then it seems that communism is simply retarded.
Fucking lol, it's the complete opposite. 4chan, as any other text-based website, has a memetic history which is not at all "selected" by anything like merit. It filters by "humor", "basedness", perceived images of "alphaness" and so forth. A good argument is worth nothing if it doesn't BTFO someone (preferably libfaggots), this is the innate structure of 4chan, you are proving my argument so hard it's embarrassing.
You believe communism is retarded without having read a single book on it, all you need to know about it is that your preferred echo-chamber considers it some manifestation of "cringe". This is my argument, these forms of structures are much more damaging to thought than a ban-hammer could be. (I'm not a commie by the way, it was just the example you chose.)

>Not an argument
Yes they are arguments, you're just a little too retarded to comprehend anything that doesn't fit into neat .jpg infographics.

>>16056217
>It only bans the absolute far-right,
Its definition of 'far right' includes the opinions of the majority of human history up until like the 1960s. In fact in much of the world people still think in 'far right' ways.

And the Communist threads here are not comparable to blacked threads on /pol/ because there are tons of actual marxists here that hang about in the threads and discuss the books and ideas, or argue with the right.

>>16056177
>4chan is a hyperbolic time chamber where memes to compete in a way of natural selection just like genes do compete and only those which are the most fit survive. If communist ideas can't survive the banter then it seems that communism is simply retarded.

>If Ideas aren't spread and popular on 4chan, they must simply be retarded.

No one here reads books, this is fucking ridiculous.

>>16056103
lol, niggerfag

>>16055676
Nietzsche

>>16056217
>It is literal collective brainwashing
[citation needed]
>much more insidious form of censorship.
"Lack of censorship is a much more insidious form of censorship than literal censorship. I am veyr smart."
>there are also tons of "blacked" threads on /pol/
Thank you for proving that there is in fact ideological diversity on /pol/, that's very kind of you.
>4chan, as any other text-based website
You are confused, 4chan is an anime website (imageboard), reddit is text based.
>It filters by "humor", "basedness", perceived images of "alphaness" and so forth.
Exactly the same as natural selection, in which the alpha wins and genetically challenged commie basedboys lose. I fail to see what's wrong with that.
>A good argument is worth nothing if it doesn't BTFO someone
Yes.
>(preferably libfaggots)
It is irrelevant who is BTFO by an argument, it is just that the communists are the most prone to getting BTFO. Also this is a strawman since 4chan is actually the most liberal site on the internet as we have established a few posts earlier by comparing what is allowed to be said on reddit and 4chan.
>Not the analogy I'm making.
"Joke's on you I was just pretending to be retarded!"
>You believe communism is retarded without having read a single book on it,
I have read DK and CM, how many more of that drivel do I have to read before my brain becomes a jellybean capable of falling for such a retarded idea like egalitarism?
>Not the analogy I'm making.
>you're just a little too retarded to comprehend anything that doesn't fit into neat .jpg infographics.
Not an argument.

>>16056217
Dude you're a huge faggot. Fuck off to reddit

imagine defending censorship on reddit

>>16056014
...or western ethics and morality. its just as much influenced by the postmoderns as anything else. its “christian” insofar as “chistian” relates to wider movements of and in the west.

>>16056306
If you are saying that it's a postmodern twist on Christian ethics then I agree with that 100%.

>>16056286
>[citation needed]
You can just say "I don't know how to deal with this claim" instead of trying to insert a pseudo-counter-argument like the dishonest faggot you are. This is so transparent, holy shit.
>"Lack of censorship is a much more insidious form of censorship than literal censorship. I am veyr smart."
Strawman + transparent insecurity over your own intelligence, very sad!
>Thank you for proving that there is in fact ideological diversity on /pol/, that's very kind of you.
If you think blacked threads are a sign of "ideological diversity" which lacks on reddit, then you are either completely retarded or this is just another dishonest manouver, probably a combination of both; again, you're a dishonest faggot.
>Exactly the same as natural selection, in which the alpha wins and genetically challenged commie basedboys lose. I fail to see what's wrong with that.
Of course you do, you probably have never ever read a single book in your life. Stop browsing this board.
>Yes
Should have posted the epic Yes.jpg meme, which again just further makes the point that 4chan-tier memetics are a literal mind cancer. If "Yes.jpg" can be attached to a position, it is based and thus valuable, no matter how asinine it in actuality is. This is how your laughable attempt at arguing for the validity of memetic natural selection fails, it selects for everything contrarian-neets would enjoy; being edgy little faggots, that's literally it.
>"Joke's on you I was just pretending to be retarded!"
You're just a little too dumb, lack of abstraction skills.
>I have read DK and CM, how many more of that drivel do I have to read before my brain becomes a jellybean capable of falling for such a retarded idea like egalitarism?
Lol, transparent lie. I hope you are like 18 years old or something.
>Not an argument.
I think it would be an argument if it turned out that the person I'm debating with is either a) almost underage, b) extremely anti-intellectual and/or c) severely retarded and low-IQ. I think you're at least two of these.

>>16055763
Read Elliott Sober's The Nature of Selection, punk

>>16056352
I've read his actual papers with Wilson, retard. there's nothing about anything they wrote which makes Dawkins a "pseud".

>>16056338
>You can just say "I don't know how to deal with this claim"
I fail to see proof or at least an argument explaining how 4chan is a collective brainwashing. I remind you that /pol/ is an anonymous, open board, on which anyone who wants to can post, and you will never get banned or have your thread removed unless it's something like CP.
>Strawman + transparent insecurity over your own intelligence, very sad!
Restating an argument is not the same as strawman.
>If you think blacked threads are a sign of "ideological diversity" which lacks on reddit
A subreddit called /r/whitebeauty was banned for "hate" despite the fact that the only posts there were simply photographs of white people, mostly women with children, sometimes families, with innocent titles.
Yet on /pol/, the supposedly most racist and "censored" place on the internet (according to you), it is absolutely fine to post BLACKED threads and you will never get banned or have your thread removed.
>you probably have never ever read a single book in your life.
Strawman, adhom, and false.
>Stop browsing this board.
You first.
>If "Yes.jpg" can be attached to a position, it is based and thus valuable
Wrong, it is only valuable if attached to a true statement. I have seen pathetic attemps of appropiating the same meme by /leftypol/ faggots and without exception they were beyond cringe.
>You're just a little too dumb, lack of abstraction skills.
"tfw too smart to make accurate analogies"
>Lol, transparent lie.
You don't have to believe me. Please answer my question.
>I think you're at least two of these.
You haven't advertised your cognitive abilities that well so far, but I appreciate your opinion nonetheless.

>>16056217
>It only bans the absolute far-right
So anyone who is a bit more right than far-left?

>>16055763

If Albert Einstein ate a bowl of dogshit for dinner every night I would probably call him an idiot despite any other achievements

>>16055934
Fully agree with everything you've said.

>>16057021
thereby ironically serving to weaken his point about diversity of opinion

>I'm going to prove to you that 4chan only allows one set of opinions by explicitly arguing against what I perceive to be the norm here

>>16055676
Karl Popper

>>16055772
No, being far right in this day and age is the most moral position one can have. Reddit is obviously left of center rather then far left.

This dude is disgusting

>>16055857
You say, ignoring the point.

>>16055772
>purges all subreddits with views deviating slightly from the status quo
>censor anything no conducive to a braindead echochamber
ah yes. nigger i use reddit. here i can stumple into a thread and find completely diametric views brushing shoulders. reddit is like 3 people exactly the same views and slightly differing aesthetic preferences endless pretending they're 'discussing' or 'debating' when they're just reaffirming the exact same shit, which is thoughtless submission to the status quo.

>>16055672
Yeah this can't be right

>>16056217
didnt they ban the chapo trap house subreddit?

>>16055772
The you're-creating-an-enemy-by-seeing-it-that-way tactic is the most reddit & progressive rhetorical device there is. From this alone it's immediately clear where you're coming from and what your political leanings are.

This is the lefty tactic. You pretend you exist within some absolute view that is enable to encompass all other views. Well it's not true. Your shitty little model that claims to explain my psychological motives and why I am right wing has no explanatory power, no does it place you above me. All it does is feed your smugness.

ASS

>>16055839
a kibitzer and a dilettante

>>16055676

ass

>>16055672
Did he really write that? I thought of reading him but after this I'm not so sure anymore.